What is a foul throw? | The Tifo Football Show Ep.6

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The Athletic FC

Күн бұрын

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Welcome to The Tifo Football Show - the show that answers your questions about football.
Host Joe Devine is joined by JJ Bull, Alex Stewart, and JJ’s mate Dave to answer such questions as “what is a foul throw?”, “How far would you have to go in the Europa League before you earn as much as the Champions League?”, and “where did you get that t-shirt?”.
If you have a footballing question you want to be answered, tell us in the comments section.
0:00 Intro
1:02 What is a foul throw?
5:56 What are these lovely t-shirts you are wearing?
6:48 How far do you have to go in the UEL to win as much money as the UCL?
10:05 If the Scottish and English leagues were merged, where would Celtic and Rangers finish?
14:48 If Liverpool had to replace their front three, who could they bring in?
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About Tifo Football:
Tifo loves football. We create In-depth tactical, historical and geopolitical breakdowns of the beautiful game.
We know there’s an appetite for thoughtful, intelligent content. For stuff that makes the complicated simple.
We provide analysis on the Premier League, Champions League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, World Cup and more.
Our podcasts interview some of the game’s leading figures. And our editorial covers football with depth and insight.
Founded in 2017 and became a part of The Athletic in 2020. For business inquiries, reach out to tifo@theathletic.com.
Music sourced from epidemicsound.com
Additional footage sourced from freestockfootagearchive.com
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@TheAthleticFC
@TheAthleticFC 2 жыл бұрын
Tifo’s latest merchandise collection - Literal Nicknames - is OUT NOW! Check it out on the Tifo Football Shop: shop.tifofootball.com/
@Mold-E
@Mold-E 2 жыл бұрын
Question. Can we get an extended version of the tifo merch song with a music video included? P.s. this is less of a question and more of a demand
@BlackEyedPeasChelsea
@BlackEyedPeasChelsea 2 жыл бұрын
is there a way you could ship to Angola?
@jamesmoore4109
@jamesmoore4109 2 жыл бұрын
I bought one. That was the first time that on screen advertising ever actually worked instantly for me. Bravo.
@tommyh1990
@tommyh1990 2 жыл бұрын
The energy Alex brings is top class, similar to how Berbatov plays football, effortless class
@benarfa4
@benarfa4 2 жыл бұрын
"Effortless" being the keyword.
@mclark8857
@mclark8857 2 жыл бұрын
@@benarfa4 joe devine's burner account
@benarfa4
@benarfa4 2 жыл бұрын
@@mclark8857 I neither confirm or deny this.
@Chris-nq9nb
@Chris-nq9nb 2 жыл бұрын
I came here to say the same thing but you put it better than I ever would. I love Alex's nonchalance.
@isaaclodziak-green6326
@isaaclodziak-green6326 2 жыл бұрын
Alex always gives me the impression he’s been forced to entertain his 2 energetic nephews every week
@Prederick
@Prederick 2 жыл бұрын
Y'know, the foul throw demonstration is good, but the people walking their dogs in the background makes it a solid 10/10.
@TheAthleticFC
@TheAthleticFC 2 жыл бұрын
🐶
@bradafcful
@bradafcful 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheAthleticFC woof
@PrabhavKhandelwal
@PrabhavKhandelwal Жыл бұрын
woof woof
@barnaclefelching4079
@barnaclefelching4079 Жыл бұрын
Woof woof woof
@SujoyChakravarthi93
@SujoyChakravarthi93 2 жыл бұрын
Ah yes The Tifo Football Show - aka a football content creator's Fever Dream meets an editor's very worst nightmares
@mrhomieronan
@mrhomieronan 2 жыл бұрын
I am in shock that a bad-looking foul throw is not a foul throw. Unbelievable stuff.
@positional_play
@positional_play 2 жыл бұрын
Question: The last couple of years seem to underline that the best teams in the world (City, Liverpool, Bayern, Chelsea to an extent) have idealistic managers who play brave, attacking football with high pressing (Guardiola, Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Flick, maybe Ten Haag) whereas the mid 2000s were dominated by pragmatic managers like Mourinho, Benitez and Ancelotti. Can you explain what or who the biggest factor(s) were for this evolution ? And since the aforementioned "pragmatic" managers seem to be on the decline, how can they bounce back ? Is it possible that in terms of tactics we could see the comeback of rigid, cautios, low-block defendig on the highest level (not teams like Burnley) ?
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
@joe This fits perfectly well with the comment.
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
@joe I see no problem here
@thejoulesthief6841
@thejoulesthief6841 2 жыл бұрын
Be more like El Cholo. :)
@Brotbart
@Brotbart 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Has holding on to the ball after going down become more prevalent and why is it not penalised?
@andytc4840
@andytc4840 2 жыл бұрын
Follow up Question: Is there a de facto minimum distance a ball has to be kicked away for it to be penalised?
@suthir_nadar
@suthir_nadar 2 жыл бұрын
@@andytc4840 😂 Possible 2 factors are Mood of the Referee and Circumstance of the stadium 😂
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 10 ай бұрын
@@suthir_nadar consider also: vibes
@joeduffield2188
@joeduffield2188 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Is Wayne Rooney actually winning with Derby by getting the tactics right and could he potentially work in the premier league?
@johnm5497
@johnm5497 2 жыл бұрын
JJ a the beginning put a huge smile on my face, I know that he’s been here for a while now but I just have to say y’all did a great job adding him to the team
@fardeensiddiki7957
@fardeensiddiki7957 2 жыл бұрын
Question: What are other ways to create space against a low block other than being inbetween the lines and incisive passing and rotations of players.
@fisheatsyourhead
@fisheatsyourhead 2 жыл бұрын
switches across the pitch!
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
@@fisheatsyourhead Like Liverpool do, poh, Trent with those horizontal passes to Robbo!
@pastrytarget
@pastrytarget 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Has the evolution of VAR since it's introduction in the Premier League led to more or less abuse against referees?
@yupyupyup732
@yupyupyup732 2 жыл бұрын
Follow up! Does post match discussion also fuel this. Are we really seeing worse referreeing? Or a selection bias from stand out moments being analysed over and over and over again
@Donarrrghh
@Donarrrghh 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Pep Guardiola recently said that there are players who make teams work without the power of statistics describing their value. Are there any obvious examples of the type of player that statement would apply to, either historically or currently?
@wally86_
@wally86_ Жыл бұрын
Zidane.
@nurrr897
@nurrr897 2 жыл бұрын
Question: how long can Norwich stay competitive as a borderline premier league/top championship team without violating their principles and accepting foreign investment?
@TheMichaelNugent
@TheMichaelNugent 2 жыл бұрын
the gradual and consistent decay into madness of the tifo football show continues - i couldn’t be happier please continue the chaos, my favourite weekly content at the moment
@Iam0ldGreg
@Iam0ldGreg 2 жыл бұрын
I never comment on KZbin but seeing JJ in a Pinegrove sweater just made my day!
@AD-qy9yu
@AD-qy9yu 2 жыл бұрын
Question: If a striker doesn't achieve his xg, is he bad?
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
Could be bad luck, but I think if you consistently don't match your xG you should probably try something else...
@julius3428
@julius3428 2 жыл бұрын
For one season: no. For more seasons: maybe, when he isn’t doing ridiculously well in other things apart scoring.
@thraitor7819
@thraitor7819 2 жыл бұрын
I mean depends but I guess getting a high xg shows ur doing something right lol
@AyeHumps
@AyeHumps 2 жыл бұрын
this is the Eric Andre show meets football tactics and it's the only series on youtube i go out of the way to like every time, not sure how we got here but it's beautiful
@philshjips
@philshjips 2 жыл бұрын
You lovely gents are my favorite sports media people to come along in some time. I get excited whenever I see a new episode of the Tifo podcast or Football Show. Thanks for bringing a glimmer of hope to us all :)
@zauls.
@zauls. 2 жыл бұрын
If you make a t shirt with John McGinn as an actual meatball I would be all over that
@skiptracerbob
@skiptracerbob 2 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these videos, team Tifo IRL. So thanks for that.
@nickgreco8625
@nickgreco8625 2 жыл бұрын
I was just in the middle of rewatching this series and a new episode comes out 😆😆
@mclark8857
@mclark8857 2 жыл бұрын
I know an Alex comment is already the top one, and so this one is likely to get lost in the mix, but I thought I'd offer him a little more appreciation, just in case he's feeling a little extra down some day I guess. After every one of his segments finish, I feel like I've forgotten I've been watching a youtube video, and am put into some kind of hypnotic trance where I don't feel like I'm taking in anything he's saying, yet his words are being unconsciously imprinted onto my mind forever. It's like he is a puppet master, and I am his mere marionette, yet in some weird twist he provides me with entertainment and top-quality football AND boat knowledge. top class.
@danielbestpower
@danielbestpower 2 жыл бұрын
Best show on KZbin love it so much ahaha
@simstander5471
@simstander5471 2 жыл бұрын
This show is as good as it’s question from the comments and the questions are great 😊
@stephenk24
@stephenk24 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Will the MLS ever become a powerful league that attracts the best players?
@kierstanfaulks
@kierstanfaulks Жыл бұрын
salary cap means probably not
@TdyBear
@TdyBear 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for confirming (some of) the questions had been answered this episode, this is a weight off my mind.
@aadirao9401
@aadirao9401 2 жыл бұрын
this is such a delight to watch
@GrahamPlays
@GrahamPlays 2 жыл бұрын
I loved the investigatory piece!
@74kid
@74kid 2 жыл бұрын
Love this. I played up to semi professional level, mainly on the wing and the number of times refs would call foul throws against me and I was convinced I was doing nothing wrong.
@reckoner28
@reckoner28 2 жыл бұрын
Question: How would Man United line up under Ten Hag? What would be his priority signings? Transfer rumours saying he would want Timber and Antony to come with him, but surely he'd want to sign a couple of midfielders too
@Azza.10
@Azza.10 2 жыл бұрын
My pick would Be Haidara and Gravenberch for the midfield
@lifeisapartysodance
@lifeisapartysodance 2 жыл бұрын
Upvote 🆙⬆️
@GK-ne5uf
@GK-ne5uf 2 жыл бұрын
this channel is such a gem, continue this comedy style, I love it!
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
yes.
@Lamby494
@Lamby494 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tifo for making me laugh on my lunch break. If KZbin would let me like this video twice I would.
@seanmackenzie1449
@seanmackenzie1449 2 жыл бұрын
I watch every one of these videos with a giant smile
@navio587
@navio587 Жыл бұрын
This is amazing 😂😂
@Fimbulvetr3822
@Fimbulvetr3822 2 жыл бұрын
It only took 6 episodes for this to go completely off the rails, top effort.
@campbellbishop8842
@campbellbishop8842 2 жыл бұрын
The tifo football show is my favorite KZbin video of the week each week
@mrhomieronan
@mrhomieronan 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video all my life. Haven't even watched it yet.
@triplethraet
@triplethraet 2 жыл бұрын
joe saying his own name makes me laugh every time. i guess if i could ask a question, at this rate, do you think antonio conte's tottenham could win the league next season if they miss out on top 4 like he did with chelsea a few years back?
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
No
@charlieh2081
@charlieh2081 2 жыл бұрын
No
@mikey3072
@mikey3072 2 жыл бұрын
no.
@rifaldopalaska7737
@rifaldopalaska7737 2 жыл бұрын
more of this please
@Olando89
@Olando89 2 жыл бұрын
I love this show. It's so funny.
@jeevan8000
@jeevan8000 2 жыл бұрын
Question: what is the best 11 you can make with current players outside the top 5 leagues?
@SHiggins82
@SHiggins82 2 жыл бұрын
Top journalism 👏
@fredkaboom
@fredkaboom 2 жыл бұрын
JJ doing a film noir voiceover about foul throws is the best thing ever.
@tamagonbagel6569
@tamagonbagel6569 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen foul throws called in recreational league football than I've seen in the professional game, which is insane to me
@jordanh550
@jordanh550 2 жыл бұрын
Need more episodes of this
@RaRaHD
@RaRaHD 2 жыл бұрын
I adore this show
@yupyupyup732
@yupyupyup732 2 жыл бұрын
xG Question! I understand a shot's xg is calculated based on historical data - but how far does that extend? When we say a shot has a certain xG, does that factor in elements like the height of where the shot was taken, the speed in which the ball was traveling before the shot, how much the ball was spinning etc etc.
@tudorcre
@tudorcre 2 жыл бұрын
I have to confess that I fell asleep on the final bit of the episode, so I heard some random duck noises in my sleep. With this in mind, I decided to rewatch this final part, and now I can finally say I still have no clue how you started talking about ducks...great job as always guys keep it up
@cameron9385
@cameron9385 2 жыл бұрын
Question: May seem an odd question, but how do you analyse a football match while watching it? Things like seeing the tactics being used and what individual players are doing in a system? I really like the tactical side of the game but usually find that interpreting the tactics on my own, without someone explaining, quite difficult!
@jacobmcmaster6820
@jacobmcmaster6820 2 жыл бұрын
Truly, one of the greatest weekly shows of all time
@Bagster321
@Bagster321 2 жыл бұрын
This has the same energy as "Whose Line Is It Anyway?" and I love it. Question; who were/are the most versatile wingers (so traditional and inverted) and why? (Please say Harry Kewell, please say Harry Kewell!)
@4231jerome
@4231jerome 2 жыл бұрын
harry kewell
@hunnums7896
@hunnums7896 2 жыл бұрын
Question: We’ve seen what Bayern Munich would look like with Joe up front, but would they still be able to win the league with Joe in goal?
@entinderzerberster5107
@entinderzerberster5107 2 жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree that they never fail to entertain us. Just kidding, I'm no bot, they're still great though
@atyj1
@atyj1 2 ай бұрын
Hahahaha Philippe Clement as Celtic Manager, art was so close to imitating real life
@nicholaschilembo
@nicholaschilembo 2 жыл бұрын
God bless these Tifo lads😂
@hunternorton6434
@hunternorton6434 2 жыл бұрын
with most of the good premier league teams playing without a true 9, what positions score the most goals on average?
@mmw4990
@mmw4990 2 жыл бұрын
Wide forward
@gautamdoshi9168
@gautamdoshi9168 7 ай бұрын
I had a doubt in foul throw pls reply someone What if i face towards 1 direction and throw it towards different direction is it foul or not?
@JimiCanRead
@JimiCanRead 2 жыл бұрын
Now THIS is a good vid
@economicerudite4924
@economicerudite4924 2 жыл бұрын
It’s something that bothers me basically because if a single match back in 2015. We were playing, at I’m a winger so I was on the side and would sometimes take throws. Didn’t have any linesmen so the opposition coach was doing the job. *EVERY SINGLE TIME* we took a throw the opposition coach would flag a foul throw and possession would go the other direction. Was complete BS. Especially seeing this video and realising they weren’t even foul throws.
@CameronGrant36
@CameronGrant36 2 жыл бұрын
Why is JJ swearing the funniest thing I’ve ever heard
@christopherreynolds9254
@christopherreynolds9254 2 жыл бұрын
I got penalised a few times for foul throws as a kid, and the ref could never explain why I fouled. I then started releasing the ball in front of my head (which was easier, and what I considered to be a foul) and never got pulled up on it. 🤷🏼‍♂️
@kidkieran77
@kidkieran77 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, they never can explain why and then the reasoning they give is always arbitrary. I am glad the real rule is simple. Release the ball from both hands with the motion starting behind you head with both feet on the ground and behind the line. Simple.
@erdnasiul87
@erdnasiul87 2 жыл бұрын
JJ and Joe: soul mates Alex: NO SOUL
@hybridgorilla
@hybridgorilla 2 жыл бұрын
Question: why is it that we often see a player be told "get up" by the referee after diving but very very rarely do we see players booked for it, even though "simulation" is a bookable offence? Especially now with the advent of VAR where we've often seen decisions overturned because they saw no contact when reviewing.
@jamesleonard90
@jamesleonard90 2 жыл бұрын
Very good made me feel like laughing
@rikardplaystheguitar
@rikardplaystheguitar 2 жыл бұрын
This is quickly becoming my favourite comedy show.
@kieranriches1089
@kieranriches1089 2 жыл бұрын
Please release an outtakes for this series I can only assume they're incredible
@izak5208
@izak5208 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Kilman is not allowed to play for Ukraine because he's played for England indoor football team. But Andy Delort played for Frances Beach football team and was allowed to switch to Algeria? Why is this? What are the conditions regarding a national team switch.
@b.r.e.t.t.s.a.n.d.l.e.r
@b.r.e.t.t.s.a.n.d.l.e.r 2 жыл бұрын
Best intro in the history of youtube
@flamepal
@flamepal 2 жыл бұрын
You guys are actually too funny
@T.bassett
@T.bassett 2 жыл бұрын
I trust the Bullard on the Mallard
@jaminjoben5097
@jaminjoben5097 2 жыл бұрын
Question. Can you show the difference in quality between English divisions through data? E.g. pass completion, shot accuracy, no. mistakes p90, average positions (or much more sophisticated Tifo ways)
@brothatisfunny
@brothatisfunny 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact about throws, you cant be offside during one, there's this legendary goal scored by Ronaldinho where the throw was ocurring on the midfield, and he walked to the goalkeeper (they both played on the Seleção some years back) and asked to drink some of his water, the throw in was yeeted his way, he picked alone against the goalkeeper and scored
@pozsoz
@pozsoz 2 жыл бұрын
Alex Stewart should have his own spin-off show
@mohammeddmalik
@mohammeddmalik 2 жыл бұрын
200k SPECIAL: Freekick challenge in the park with a trophy for the winner and a forfeit for the loser
@PablosAnimation84
@PablosAnimation84 2 жыл бұрын
Question: What are the main reasons for the national teams of the countries guardiola manages in doing well in international tournaments during his tenure?
@andyrharris
@andyrharris 2 жыл бұрын
Ooooh, I like this question. Please answer this one!
@mmw4990
@mmw4990 2 жыл бұрын
It's the other way around. The countries football infrastructure is well set up and they're becoming successful and wealthy... So pep goes there
@PablosAnimation84
@PablosAnimation84 2 жыл бұрын
@@mmw4990 if that's the case why after he has left those countries the national teams have also fallen off you can't tell me their infrastructure just crumbled
@mmw4990
@mmw4990 2 жыл бұрын
@@PablosAnimation84 shelf life. How often do countries do well for more than 2 tournaments?
@Rosemitchell17
@Rosemitchell17 2 жыл бұрын
Question: What's the worst tactic a professional manager has ever tried?
@alexbaker7722
@alexbaker7722 2 жыл бұрын
Do you remember when Stuart Pearce brought David James on as a forward 🤣
@ssuk12
@ssuk12 2 жыл бұрын
The worse the quality of competition the more strict foul throws are enforced. I remember them being a big deal in my highschool comp in Australia.
@rikishimada2258
@rikishimada2258 2 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or do Tifo and Map Men have the same chaotic energy
@imilas14
@imilas14 2 жыл бұрын
Editor is top class
@harrykelly1890
@harrykelly1890 2 жыл бұрын
can you explain the different roles of a number 6? such as an anchor like Casemiro or a Jonjo Shelley type
@Duncanwg7
@Duncanwg7 2 жыл бұрын
The fish joke was pretty good
@micayahritchie7158
@micayahritchie7158 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Can the disparity between European football and football elsewhere be solved independently of the income and GDP disparity of the regions more broadly? Considering that it is clearly possible for the football gap to exist even where the income gap does not (US and Japan compared to the EU for example)
@harrynoke6458
@harrynoke6458 2 жыл бұрын
Unusual question - if there was a European tournament akin to the champions leauage but only relegated teams qualified, who would win it ?
@ukgamer66
@ukgamer66 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Hull have many many many ways you can deride them but in terms of FFP they are one of the best in the EFL. How much would they have to ruin that (in cash) to realistically return to the PL?
@charaznable1131
@charaznable1131 2 жыл бұрын
Q. Why is it hard to change or renovate stadiums in the italian league??
@Mold-E
@Mold-E 2 жыл бұрын
Question. Can we get an extended version of the tifo merch song with a music video included? P.s. this is less of a question and more of a demand.
@karimd88
@karimd88 2 жыл бұрын
Give us an extended version of the tifo merch song with a music video included.*
@ashburn6139
@ashburn6139 2 жыл бұрын
That quaking sound at the end :D
@ricktickb00m
@ricktickb00m 2 жыл бұрын
The intro gives me life
@rhoddryice5412
@rhoddryice5412 2 жыл бұрын
5:32 As long as you cook the fish in the oven or in a pan with a lid it should be ok. But remember to wash your hands before touching clothes or your favourite sofa. A slice of lemon works well.
@KH-ct4ul
@KH-ct4ul 2 жыл бұрын
respect the Pinegrove jumper JJ.
@FormerlyValk
@FormerlyValk 2 жыл бұрын
How does stoppage time work, and why is it pretty much always less than the actual amount of time that play is interrupted?
@yupyupyup732
@yupyupyup732 2 жыл бұрын
When we say a team is underperfoming on xG we tend to say their luck will change - but in cases where that team is low on form, they probably also lack the belief and conviction that helps convert chances. So does xg reflect poor chance conversion or something bigger than just that?
@Xavyer13
@Xavyer13 2 жыл бұрын
Great music
@MrSmileyDom
@MrSmileyDom 2 жыл бұрын
Question: JJ mentioned a player's peak being 25-30, is that still true with all the modern sport science, diet, professionalism in the current game. Look at Ronaldo (the Portuguese one), he's old. A scattergram of player XG Vs age and then add a timeline to that should suffice to answer me.
@bigmick4315
@bigmick4315 2 жыл бұрын
Question: Why are more and more teams adopting a zonal marking with no men on either posts for defensive corners? Every time I see a corner scored it seems to be at either post where a defender would've easily cleared. So surely teams should just throw at least someone at the back post but they refuse.
@TomDebiase123
@TomDebiase123 2 жыл бұрын
Question: who are the best (attacking) players in the world with low G/A totals?
@KIDGUCCI707
@KIDGUCCI707 2 жыл бұрын
Question : Is the all rounded midfielder thee IDEAL player, football IQ wise? And if so Would fielding only midfield hybrids (Players that can play in midfield and in their designated position, E.g the Man City fullbacks and the Man City front three) make a team superior? Cheers
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 10 ай бұрын
Imagining what that FM merger experiment would look like with the JD Cymru Premier is making me extremely anxious. Idk whether I would more love or hate to see it
@RyanAustinDean
@RyanAustinDean 2 жыл бұрын
Allow me to assist. A foul throw: when Hector Bellerin, and ONLY Hector Bellerin, takes a throw-in.
@kwanng8639
@kwanng8639 2 жыл бұрын
First off, y'all are great! Keep up the good work. A couple of comments: 1. I decided to evaluate that Champions / Europa League Performance question slightly differently. Is it worth it for a team to finish 3rd in the UCL Group Stage and going to the UEL Knockout Stage instead of the UCL Knockout Stage? I looked at this briefly and based on some unconfirmed prize winning websites, it looks like if you can get to the UEL Finals, that would be financially better than losing in the first round of the UCL Group Stage (only including prize money, not additional revenue through tickets or broadcasting). However if you think you can win your UCL Round of 16 tie, then you should go for it, because entering the QF's seems equally as valuable as winning the UEL? Can you confirm this with your superior research and knowledge? 2. I love the idea of including the SPL into the EPL. Beyond just their predicted performance, I have a question. Can you show over the last 5 years how much money Rangers and Celtic (and others) have earned from Europe v. how much they would have earned for placing 17th in the EPL? Some way to assess guaranteed entry into Europe (UCL or UEL? Should that be set at UEL?) v. EPL increased broadcast revenue and such. Is it more or less?
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