What Is Carcer City Based On?

[@theghost4life]

Carcer city is the definition of Hell which makes Liberty City, Vice City, and Los Santos look like heaven.

[@bluesyrupgc4224]

@deadlyvexx99 TV yeah. Compares to Liberty City where mafias roam the streets and Los Santos being controlled by gangs, Vice City is pretty tamed

[@munat3413]

@@bluesyrupgc4224 Which is ironic since IRL Miami had a massively high murder rate due to the drug stuff back in the 80s.

[@RoastCDuck]

Comparing something to Hell is really cringy and edgy, Carter would put it to shame.

[@andarara-c1p]

@@munat3413 That´s why Vice City titles are set in the 80s. When the crime in Miami was at its finest due drug business.

[@earldick7370]

Still say that they need to do a bit of a " Marvel " and interconnect the two IPs just a little bit deeper. Maybe have a age-veryfied GTA mission called " The Bottom of The Hole " where you meet a guy called Hobo Joe a dark conspiracy nut who has gone deep (working off-grid with The Journalist ) who turns out to be James Earl Cash who has been using connections and lethal skills in the underworld to get to Mr. Nasty and kill him , He's only a " Salesman" of The Backers a shadowy cabal of movers and shakers in the Higher Echoclons who also funded Cerebus, their spiritual sucessor Merryweather PMC and of course Securoserv. Let alone they invested in The Experiment in Manhunt 2 You team up with him to storm Mr.Nasty's compound who runnjng a Red Room streaming service for High Rollers . Cash dies in the process of killing Mr.Nasty, strangling him with his own intestines ( Cash's that is ) as you run interference and thin the heard. Closing The Manhunt series loop and it's place in the shared universe once and for all.

[@Streetw1s3r]

I've always thought it was a mash up of Chicago and Detroit.

[@Streetw1s3r]

I'm a non-American also.

[@Streetw1s3r]

And in GTA III on the radio they say "In near-by Carcer City", meaning it's near Liberty City. Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland aren't far from New York. And in GTA Universe it would be even closer since it's scaled down.

[@garryjohnston7777]

Makes sense Carcer city being a combination of rust belt towns and cities remember cash is caught and moved along by Cerberus troopers several times during course of the game.

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

And Pittsburgh

[@freezetasticvoyage19]

Chicago/Detroit/Cleveland/Pittsburgh

[@SamJDH]

About time Manhunt got some love.

[@nerdneck2248]

man love?

[@uncay2769]

fav game of my childhood

[@maxiepattie85]

*more!*

[@tdtommie33]

My favorite game of all time. All time.

[@GamingWithJumbo]

420 likes keep it at that

[@9cross]

I always thought that Carcer City was most likely Chicago

[@joetrump2983]

Or detroit

[@Idfkleavemealone420]

Detroit 💯

[@Blackmorerainbowcatch]

@@Idfkleavemealone420 why detroit ?

[@FgyjtIngenieroEuropeo]

Agreed.

[@Blackmorerainbowcatch]

@SgtBaker16 hmm ?

[@l.i.l.s.bassist]

Everyone knows carcer city is detroit from the amount of chaos there

[@juliandickerson6635]

Hae to be. Just has to be.

[@olliegoria]

can't have shit in detroit

[@ssvx5243]

@@Its_m3_dave camden

[@khn4048]

But even then they don’t have subways

[@khn4048]

@Pizza Rolls understandable

[@Ashtrixal]

Carcer City has to be one of, if not the most mysterious place in the Rockstar universe. It is so unknown to us that it doesn't even have an official map. This place really intrigues and interests me the most out of all the places in the Rockstar universe.

[@Jarl3169]

​@IStevenSeagalIt's based off several rust belt towns and cities it's not based off one location just like many other fictional places in video games, chicago, Detroit, flint and Gary seem to be the biggest influences yeah but it's no one specific location its Carcer City bro

[@BRado]

being from Cleveland i definitely think thats where its located. alot of refrences including the cuyahoga river, the steel mills and the corruption. clevelands subway was abandoned

[@BadgerGoodger]

Interesting, I knew Cincinnati had an abandoned subway but I had no clue that Cleveland had one as well. It does seem like there are more signs that point towards Carcer being the Cleveland of the GTA world (with a few exceptions, such as the active subway and its apparent proximity to Liberty City).

[@BRado]

@@BadgerGoodger yeah I agree 100% and yeah that's true about Cincinnati as well! Terminal tower in Cleveland was the main terminal and alot of our bridges are double layered for subways under the cars. But their abandoned now. Alot of the city streets, riverfront areas and steel mills look remind me ALOT of Cleveland

[@naughtygawd3269]

But Cleveland has a Rapid transit line, although it's not underground

[@jrt2792]

@@naughtygawd3269 Resident born and raised here. The GCRTA's Rapid is mostly the old train tracks from Terminal Tower's old days.

[@Maxistanca]

@@BadgerGoodger why they abandoned it? Feel a scary place

[@sensacionsombria5125]

Originally GTA IV was planned to be set in the whole Liberty State: Liberty City, Alderney City, Carcer City and the whole rural zone of the Liberty State. The map was suposed to be HUGE. So my guess is that Carcer City is bassed off some city near New York. There is hints of this in the BETA files of the game. They just scrap this idea and went for Liberty City and Alderney

[@BadgerGoodger]

I was aware that GTA IV's early concept was set in Liberty State, but was Carcer meant to be a part of it? I haven't heard of that before, but I have heard that the map was originally going to be huge, too. One big area based on the entire state of New York (and then I guess Alderney would have remained as the northern New Jersey equivalent).

[@ericsanchezlopez1285]

It’s the Bronx

[@AlamoOriginal]

@@BadgerGoodger It was pretty likely, considering in 3d universe LC was still connected to Shoreside Vale landmass to the north

[@TheDanrox110]

That would make Carver City most likely Philadelphia, with “rural Liberty State” being New Jersey

[@mjfromjersey]

It looks like it could easily be Camden. That's South Jersey outside of Philly. I'm guessing that's what they were going for. edit: there’s also a subway in Camden, it connects to Philadelphia

[@muhammadtahasta3676]

Such an underrated channel. Please keep going, the content is great

[@bhaskarannanda5947]

This channel is really underrated but why??

[@rubemcorreia7988]

@@bhaskarannanda5947 youtube only cares about quantity.

[@john.doe.845]

GTA needs to use more of its cities and flesh them out in newer or spin off games. I’d love a San Fierro, Carcer City, or Las Venturas GTA spinoff

[@estofadodepollo16]

Carcer city is Flint Michigan, the water made the citizens crazy

[@IIFM54]

Detroit

[@ChaseMC215]

What kind of water they drink in Carcer City , they make them such asholes?

[@splat-a-tat6780]

I’ve never played Manhunt but it seems like the type of game where the entire world is perfectly fine and the protagonist was just in Chicago the whole time

[@olliegoria]

Or Detroit, or Camden back when it was the murder capital.

[@StuartLugsden]

I really hope that after a HD Vice City, San Fierro and Las Venturas we get a GTA Carcer City. The darkest and grittiest one out of all of them. *Edit:* Spelling mistake

[@BadgerGoodger]

Carcer City really should be a GTA location at this point. It's the logical next step for a new location in the series, since it's already been established within the universe. The only question now is what city should it be based on? My pick would be Chicago if they were to completely revamp it and finally settle on a location.

[@Streetw1s3r]

I'd love to see it as a location. Maybe forget San Fierro and Las Venturas and just do Carcer City. What would they do with SF anyway? Not really a city you think of for organized crime. What if they did both Venturas and Carcer on one map?

[@BadgerGoodger]

I'm not sure about Venturas and Carcer on the same map since they'd be kind of far from each other (even though the drive between Vegas and LA in real life even takes freaking forever, I've done that ride before and it's nothing like SA so I couldn't imagine driving from Chicago to Vegas). But I could see two maps in the same game reachable via airports, kind of like this rumor that's been going around that GTA 6 could have Liberty City and Vice City in the same game.

[@Streetw1s3r]

Yeah, I didn't really mean that seriously. It would be a weird combination, Vegas and Chicago. Vice City and Liberty City in the same game would fit in great though in my opinion.

[@myfellowsonicfans7131]

I think Carcer City could work as a location inside of a Liberty City remake since it’s said to be near it isn’t it? I think it could work what with how big R* maps are getting these days.

[@brennocalderan2201]

Carcer City is as mysterious as Anywhere City from GTA 2.

[@Diego5151999]

I’m pretty sure anywhere city was meant to be a cyberpunk type city. I’ve read on how it hinted that it took place in the future so I always ignored GTA 2 in terms of connection to other games

[@jamesbond8348]

@@Diego5151999 Yeah you're right. Anywhere city is based on Chicago actually, but in the far Future.

[@JaggyyCanon-rd9oi]

Anywhere city is set in the future

[@channe3049]

Fun fact: Manhunt series and Bully are set in the same universe of GTA.

[@arthurmorgan6390]

Bully isn’t.

[@channe3049]

@@arthurmorgan6390 There were references of GTA and Manhunt in Bully. Even Bully also had the same vehicle brands shared from GTA games such as Sabre GT can be found on the streets of Bullworth.

[@arthurmorgan6390]

TacticalBS that’s really cool! I never noticed that before! But, you have to remember that it could just be an Easter egg.

[@TakeNoShift]

@@arthurmorgan6390 Bullworth Academy is mentioned on the radio in GTA 4. Bully takes place in the same universe as GTA.

[@fliko6808]

@@TakeNoShift GTA 4 TV too

[@Mr3344555]

I think Carcer city is based on the rust belt but has a lot of characteristics to Cincinnati, as Cincinnati has one of America's biggest subway systems, Which is abandoned. Funny thing is the system is still maintain to avoid collapse throughout the city! Keep it up! This type of work will eventually lead you to heavy paying career! Your professionalism and due diligence is amazing and I respect it! I cannot wait for your next upload!

[@BadgerGoodger]

Oh yeah, Cincinnati does have that unused subway system. It's crazy how those tunnels are just sitting under the city like that. I wonder how much maintaining those costs the city. It reminds me of an unused subway station here that was built but never even finished due to some stupid reason, and now we have an empty subway station where a super-modern one was supposed to go. Thank you for your kinds words, too! They're very much appreciated :)

[@antoinesilva1527]

@@BadgerGoodger I guess it took inspirations from Chicago and Detroit, but location-wise, it’s been said to be close to Liberty City yet is a part of the Rust Belt, so my guess would be Philadelphia.

[@TKsh1]

Man, I really would like to see a Grand Theft Auto game set in the Rust Belt, especially Pennsylvania. It would give a great excuse to both have a gritty storyline like the original Manhunt and GTA IV and a vast country to explore like GTA V's Blaine Country with the small cities and such.

[@BullworthGraduate]

I've always figured Carcer City was more like Detriot, despite not knowing much about that city aside from some of it being run down. Whether it is or not, it's still an iconic place in the GTA universe and one that I would love to see expanded on, whether in a new Manhunt game (unlikely) or GTA game. Hell, I'd also love to see Cottonmouth make a reappearce as well.

[@therandomgamer18]

Cottonmouth seems like it would fit a gta better than a manhunt

[@eagleye9234]

What’s strange is that Michigan doesn’t have subway systems.

[@thedamntrain1720]

This game was a huge fun to play, sweet memories

[@Big_Mac.]

Fr back then was the best

[@Cj-xt6tv]

I’ve never played. Definitely checking it out

[@JustBrxnsxn]

@@Cj-xt6tv brace yourself

[@縣]

"sweet" memories

[@縣]

"sweet" memories

[@pepijn23]

I always thought of Detroit, New Jersey and Cleveland in Manhunt. Also, a little sidenote about Michael and the distance to Carcer. GTA has very small maps fictional maps so perhaps it fits with the distance of how far Carcer City is. Also, Michael says he robbed a bank on the outskirts. Call it odd, but I believe that banks outside the city are probably smaller and less well guarded so they’re probably easier to rob rather than a bank in the center of NY for example. Maybe that’s why he took that one, it was easier to do and technology was not so advanced back then.

[@cheesus1328]

late by 3 years but trevor also mentions how every time they pulled a score michael made them move to a different city or location scared theyd get caught

[@pepijn23]

⁠@@cheesus1328Yes, indeed and that’s very realistic. You’d probably want to move out of a place if you’re wanted for murder and robbery I think was also one off the many reasons Michael has such big issues with his family to be having moving all the time. I also like to mention that Michael stole about 10.000 dollars so it was likely again a smaller bank. He also did it in 1988 which was around the time that the factories in the Rustbelt to close, causing crime such as robberies to skyrocket.

[@z1lla4]

Another clue. Detroit also called the MOTOR city. It resembles CARcer city . Its cool because I've never seen video games atleast put the effort in creating a city or an entire video game based on Detroit, and Detroit has alot of history but everyone just wants to forget about it.

[@Des_Zee]

Uhhh Detroit: Become Human, Midnight Club 3 had Detroit in it as well. Those are the most prominent I can think of.

[@dogus4728]

I think Condemned might be in Detroit too

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

@@dogus4728 Condemmed? How fitting.

[@oneseagullflock]

Carcer is Salish

[@gg-oo4tg]

Viper - HAHAA

[@shedontlove8490]

The scariest thing about Manhunt is that this "fictional abandoned city" is not fictional at all. Right now, there are dozens of towns on the planet that are completely abandoned, and it still creeping me out.

[@mrscruffles801]

Yep. Makes me wonder how much of America is gonna end up looking like that, before everything we know and take for granted becomes abandoned victims of "progress."

[@ilyakusenco8151]

@@mrscruffles801 you know that China is the country with biggest number of ghost cities, because commies think that GDP needs to be increased no matter the cost? Also commie block had a lot of those ghost cities too

[@Theunderpriviledged2004]

Why?

[@bubba418]

Is carcer city really abandoned?

[@yungsmug7110]

​@@mrscruffles801Not just America I'm from Australia and my hometown is starting to look like Carcer urban decay, no jobs, angry people crime & poverty.

[@Calibree]

i misread it as "Cancer City"

[@enlightenedone1386]

Same

[@goosegoose9549]

What’s the difference

[@aaronm359]

I misread it as "career city", like "oh, that sounds like a nice place" 😂

[@tairabanzu]

I thought the same, but this is interesting. Rockstar always input interesting references from their previous works. Maybe their next GTA VI will give a little more eye opener.

[@WindiChilliwack]

I think it's the intention

[@NeighborSenpai]

Actually Cleveland does have a subway (not a large one but still exists)

[@jrt2792]

It's most ground level, but it's more of a metro than a subway.

[@reckergamer1879]

What's the difference between Metro and Subway?

[@jrt2792]

@@reckergamer1879 Metro can run underground but above ground as well. Subways stay underground.

[@GMlilEASTSIDEcharlie]

Prefix sub, meaning underway, meaning underground, everything else is just a train

[@killbotjames22]

There’s a neighborhood named carcer in gta iv.

[@emulatorgaminguk2751]

Probably just a reference.

[@killbotjames22]

EmulatorGamingUK Yea it is. I think it’s kool.

[@lamborgini86]

It happens , theres streets called new york here in new york LOL

[@iicustodianlaw]

carcer avenue in gta 5

[@pancakes8966]

I like to think that Carcer City is Chicago, just a feeling.

[@realrandiee]

It's Detroit

[@Berkham1995]

Same

[@jamesbond8348]

It's Based on Detroit, Camden Nj, Philly and Cleveland. Anywhere City is Based on Chicago but in the Future.

[@HalloweenHalloween-sc4jo]

I’m fairly certain that Carcer City is based on Cleveland, Ohio. Not only is the river almost a dead giveaway, but Cleveland actually DOES have a subway system (albeit a small on) that is currently in use and they also have an abandoned subway system that was once used by its trolley system. I should also mention that miles traveled stat system in GTA IV isn’t accurate to real life, as Las Venturas (which is Las Vegas) was stated to be closer to Liberty City than Vice City, which is obviously inaccurate to real life, and so Carcer City could be based on a city much further away from New York City in real life, which leaves the possibility for it to be based off of Cleveland, even more fathomable.

[@victorwagner2423]

MICHAEL: "Mom, i'm not gonna do anything stupid. I just need to go to the bank" TITLE SCREEN : "Michael robs a bank" It's always sunny in Carcer City

[@tyepuesy1956]

I just bought the game off eBay because of this video... I can't wait.

[@yetimann1493]

Also, in GTA San Andreas, in the introduction when carl returns to Los Santos in the airport you can see a board of which there are city's from previous GTA games and also Carcer City. It probably doesn't add much, but hey, i found it to be cool.

[@rokkvihrafngunason9021]

You’re content is really good, you deserve more regocnition.

[@Seetherfan25]

Your*

[@rokkvihrafngunason9021]

Thanks for the correction.

[@gg-oo4tg]

Regocnition

[@marioionion2]

I didn't knew he is the content

[@TRZN91]

I always imagined it as an amalgamation between Buffalo/Rochester, Camden, Flint/Detroit. PS Buffalo technically does have a subway. It travels the length of the city.......in an almost straight line.........and almost no one uses it.

[@joshuaselvig6832]

They really need to make a Manhunt 3.

[@floppasucks]

They can't

[@Saint_face]

Been about 2 years and they still cant without making it dumbed down and losing the feel of manhunt

[@BRAINFxck10]

⁠@@Saint_faceactually they can make another one with the same feel as the original, Manhunt 2 was rated Adults Only because it was sexualized not because it was too violent and the original wasn’t sexualized like that so it was rated Mature, also Sam Houser is still at Rockstar so I feel there’s still a small sliver of hope

[@ibox9s]

they can’t

[@ibox9s]

@@BRAINFxck10hm all valid points

[@maintenancetunnels]

Cleveland has a subway with one line.

[@meisenhu2958]

Cincinnati, Ohio actually has an abandoned subway system built in the early 1900s, it's a very interesting story. Also SteelPort for the Saints Row series depicts a pretty good messed up rust Belt city

[@lakshaykochhar6799]

I don't know why Manhunt taking place in fictional Ohio is hilarious to me.

[@pumpkin6429]

Apparently Carcer City is directly north of Liberty City. It was supposed to be the equivalent of upstate New York. It's been awhile since I heard this, so I can't remember where I heard this from. Would explain why it's so close to Liberty City, though.

[@Fulllife3.2]

I thought upstate New York was just a bunch of suburbs.

[@john.doe.845]

Full Life 3 I live in upstate NY there’s multiple small cities

[@channe3049]

There's a hint in GTA 3 and GTA LCS shown that Carcer City was indeed located on the north of Liberty City, the radio stations and certain dialogues from the AI pedestrians also mentioned about the city.

[@naughtygawd3269]

@@channe3049 It's probably Buffalo

[@sensacionsombria5125]

Man I wish Cottonmouth is in GTA 6, if it's based of in Florida. Along with Vice City, off course

[@markoz673bajen8]

Gator Keys

[@BadgerGoodger]

Cottonmouth might as well be their equivalent of Tampa if it's in Florida. Some of the vehicles in Manhunt 2 have Florida license plates, but that's because they're reused vehicle models from Vice City (there's also LC plates on cars they reused from GTA III or LCS)

[@garryjohnston7777]

Cottonmouth is New Orleans and surrounding areas.

[@SoloDoloSpaceman]

Garry Johnston Cottonmouth is an amalgamation of post-Hurricane Katrina New Orleans, Atlanta, and Tampa, according to R* officials.

[@marklems5894]

@@SoloDoloSpaceman Holy crap, Cottomouth is too huge

[@Protoman85]

in my mind it's Detroit, the posterboy of "fallen cities"

[@Wyte_Knight]

Philadelphia sounds like the good answer. Close enough to match GTA IV miles counter, close enough to where Michael could have been when he was young, and had a subway system. Probably a mashup with Chicago, Detroit, and Philadelphia, and based on the IRL location of Philadelphia.

[@yokiryuchan7655]

I get serious Gary Indiana vibes from Carcer City for sure.

[@fuqupal]

Springfield is in Oregon. Matt Groening announced this many years ago.

[@vx363]

🤣

[@Daniel_Delayne]

I always felt that Carcer City is much smaller than Detroit/Chicago/Philly, and possibly even half-abandoned, at least for the areas where you play in. Also some of the gangs have that hillbilly cadence to their speech which also suggests something else than a northern metropolis

[@olliegoria]

The Skinz and Wardogz do have that drawl. We call it a southern accent but really you can find it in any backwater town in America, I've heard people from states like Vermont and Oregon with those type of accents. Besides, the Hoodz have a New York style to their speech, so I'm thinking Rockstar just blended various accents to help anonymize Carcer City.

[@coltgun876]

Idk Carcer City seems pretty big to me because of the variety of settings we see in each mission. We go from bad looking neighborhoods to abandoned public locations then we're in good looking environments like that downtown area from Press Coverage. I'd say Carcer City is slightly bigger than Liberty City and Vice City but half smaller than San Andreas.

[@latbat58]

manhunt has an amazing atmosphere

[@007megaoof]

its soundtrack is amazing

[@zerogamer935]

@@007megaoof facts scary ass soundtrack

[@valenhedenskstrombladviker5691]

I have a fascination with dark and gritty cities from videogames like this one, Cottonmouth City, Liberty city, Metro city, Kemo city or Harbor city

[@m.c.squawk708]

Hey badger , big fan. I actually had Written a decent chunk about cottonmouth on the manhunt wiki. One interesting thing to note about cottonmouth is that while it is not directly referenced in the game, there are a couple textures in the files that directly reference the name of the city, including an unused cottonmouth police seal that was meant for the Maverick, as well as a manhole cover that reads “cottonmouth sewers” that you can actually see in the chapter “most wanted”. I really hope that one day we can explore the cities in the grand theft auto universe. I feel that there will be a lot of potential for a New Orleans style city for grand theft auto six.

[@bongwaterbaptist]

New Orleans?

[@MyNameIsElijah]

I would say it’s a combination of pretty much every major Midwestern city. (Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Chicago, St. Louis, Cleveland, and Detroit are the best examples. Especially Chicago, Detroit, and Milwaukee.

[@JayElias7]

Even though this is about 2 years late just wanted to address some errors on your research or info: As a native to Camden,NJ; Camden does have a small subway system really only for its downtown area but it’s been there for years maybe even before I was born not sure where you got your info on Camden from but it’s definitely located on a RIVER body of water directly across from Philadelphia’s Junkyards & Recycling Refinery Plants (Where you see flames burn). Camden also has an infamous Incinerator Plant located along the Delaware River.

[@zoltanfarago3036]

"Anytown - USA" Gotcha, Red Alert 2 reference

[@Jak239JC]

And remember respect is everything.

[@ctwhalerman]

I always thought Gary and Camden (which does have a couple PATCO subway stops in its downtown), but it's referenced engouh that Carcer City should be big enough for people across the country to be familiar with (and to have professional sports teams), which Camden and Gary really aren't. So, Buffalo, New York, might be the likeliest candidate for Carcer City. It's on a large lake, its light rail system runs in a subway for most of its length, its population has been in free-fall for 60 years and huge parts of the city are abandoned, and it even has a small river that used to catch on fire!

[@ScientistHL]

I'm starting to think Carcer City isn't based on any one city at all. It could honestly just be a generic ass city. If it were to be brought back in a GTA game or something - they'd probably base it on Philadelphia (due to the subway system, and the general vicinity of Liberty City).

[@liltoaster7308]

Hell yeah, I hope they put the next GTA in Philly

[@falloutjay5005]

Fr philly would be one of the best city’s to be in a gta game they would probably add Jersey in which would add to the whole experience because I’m from philly lol

[@liltoaster7308]

@@falloutjay5005 Same here, it would be awesome

[@Ethan-wx5pz]

@@falloutjay5005 wasn't Jersey in Gta 4

[@Xegethra]

Might as well be the city from GTA 2

[@aidendeal]

It feels a lot like Gary if you’ve been there you know

[@Mayonnaisesucks730]

Ridiculous how little appreciation this game gets

[@Journey_to_who_knows]

I would say Chicago (Chiraq) for most resemblance or Detroit for looking like a warzone

[@BadgerGoodger]

If they wanted it to be a major city with millions of people (as well as areas with high crime rates), then Chicago would be a good choice for Carcer City. Chicago also had steel mills that shut down, but it didn't experience the same kind of rapid decline as Detroit.

[@yxnghustler5412]

Not an American, british, but chiraq is the best nickname for a city I’ve ever heard

[@tofusrvng]

@@yxnghustler5412 I second this, as someone coming from Hong Kong

[@gregs3823]

I like the Cleveland theory, or maybe philly. Although, the murder capital in America year after year is St. Louis. I like to think it’s Chicago, Cleveland, and philly mixed up.

[@TheMediatorOfChaos]

I very much agree with your perspective on it being just a mix of cities with elements taken from the rust belt and the midwest. Really good video!

[@Lucas-zu3fn]

Bro it’s obvious that it’s Chicago. He really said it’s Cleveland Ohio 💀

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

Something I hate people saying about Manhunt is that it abandons Stealth halfway through and becomes a gunplay game. Untrue. MOST missions in the back half of the game can be played either Stealth focused, gun focused, or hybrid(hybrid being the easiest and most fun, there are areas packed full of guys that are death traps in a gun fight, but with plenty of shadows you can stealth around). There's only one mission that makes it completely impossible with the game mechanics(View of Innocence, there's only one glass shard in the level, no other execution items, you can pick off one guy in the middle of the level and that's about it) and like two or three others were it's effectively impossible due to enemy placement(Graveyard Shift, Divided They Fall, and Key Personal), but generally you can do both. The war dog, cop, and smiley missions are all great examples. The first cop mission even rewards you for stealth and hiding bodies as the cops only use night-sticks against you until they either see you kill a cop or find a body(until the mid-point of the level after you get the reporter to her apartment, then the SWAT team shows up and alerts everyone regardless)

[@shortrat4462]

I remember this game.. i used to get scared from the icon and too scared to open it, i rarely played it, best game ever tho. MOST UNDERRATED CHANNEL EVERRR

[@gonzaroa5346]

Dude Badger Goodger, this Manhunt related stuff or lore videos are just phenomenal, i really lile this kind of videos of yours

[@C-Crystal2002]

CARcer City is Detroit because, It's Making Car City!

[@Ytomany]

I love the idea that in the gta universe there is a city that is essentially New York bronx in the the 1970s, just a free for all with basically no cops and gangs run it. It's cool as fuck sounding for a game not for real life. It's so comic booky that it is awesome more games in the gta universe should go for this fictional city shit.

[@boygoinup]

Kinda like The warriors

[@bezolsmate]

“let’s hope those missing witnesses turn up safe and sound!” I would’ve never got this joke back when I played GTA 4 for the first time, that’s gold haha

[@BarbaricToast1502]

I think Carcer City is likely based on Detroit or Philadelphia

[@ploopy5235]

Based on where it is on the map in relation to Liberty City it's Philly

[@jamesbond8348]

It's both Philly and Detroit.

[@musicalhistory4392]

Cleveland does have a small subway, and Cincinnati has a partially built one that was never opened. As far as location based I think you’re right that it was meant to be a generic Midwest/rust belt city and they decided to never touch it again. It would be cool if they did an HD GTA there, although they would likely default it as Chicago aiming for the largest cities in previous games.

[@despacheetos1]

I always thought that Carcer was the most similar to Cleveland, rather than Detroit, mostly because: - The presence of the subway system seen in Manhunt (the only cities in the Rust Belt that have significant subway systems are Chicago & Philadelphia, the ones with the smaller systems are Cleveland and Cincinnati). - Mention of the flaming river in GTA San Andreas, a reference to the Cuyahoga river in Cleveland, Ohio. - According to the name of one of the subway stations seen on one of the maps in Manhunt - Rocksnorth Bay - the city is located next to the large body of water, probably a reference to The Great Lakes in North America. - Carcer City Police Department using black and white police cars, even though these are somewhat generic for an US city, out of all the cities mentioned above, are very reminiscent to only those used by the Cleveland Police in 1980s - early 2000s (Manhunt is set in 2003 and its police force use exactly the same car as 4th generation Ford LTD inspired police car from GTA Vice City, reflecting the under-equipment of the Carcer City Police Department, using nearly 20 year old police cars). - State of Michigan banned death penalty entirely in 1963, further disproving the theory of Manhunt taking place in a Detroit inspired city - out of all the states that are associated with Rust Belt the most, State of Ohio still used lethal injections as well as electric chairs in 2003. I know that the law can be altered in this fictional universe, however this fact still should make Carcer appear to have more similarities to Cleveland than to Detroit. - Out of all the cities above, the Cleveland's location suits best the statement of Carcer being located in "the Heartland" (heard in GTA San Andreas), as well as being "nearby" to Liberty City (heard in GTA III). Also from what I read and felt, Cleveland is also one of the most infamous and meme cities due to how much it got affected by the economic decline of the Rust Belt cities - however, not as much as Detroit, which is definitely on top of the list in that regard. Rockstar likes to set their games in cities that are particularly popular in popular culture, so we should choose mostly from the most infamous cities from the Rust Belt. If I got any of the facts or cultural references wrong, feel free to correct me - I have never lived in the United States so I could have made some factual errors.

[@thesadprepper3722]

Manhunt, The Evil Within series, Outlast, the Max Payne series and Fragile are the darkest games ive seen so far.

[@floridaman4596]

Evil within felt like it was trying too hard, reminded me a lot of hatred, a better candidate would probably be "the suffering"

[@Akira-Ainu_Nitai]

3 years late but try cry of fear if you want a dark game.

[@mikedawolf95]

Funny how manhunt has a mash of a bunch of cities but GTA parodies specific cities.

[@SCHATTENJGGER]

Hey man look at this! I was investigating about what city is Carcer City in the real life and I saw the abandoned penitentiary of Philadelphia is practically the same of Manhunt. You should take a look. I speak Spanish and my English level is not very good :) Pura Vida 💚✌️

[@SCHATTENJGGER]

@@fechaqui9513 Claro que no mi saiko pra pra😂🇨🇷🤙

[@fsxsickle]

Your English is really good but my Spanish is horrible. For example, bienvenido espana , that was horrible wasn’t it

[@SCHATTENJGGER]

@@fechaqui9513 jajaja

[@SCHATTENJGGER]

@@fsxsickle if you come to Costa Rica you have to say : Que mi rasta Pura vida mop aquí akachete me saiko! "👍🤙😂

[@fsxsickle]

JefferXD005 * what does it mean in Spanish? Lmao

[@RESIST_DIGITAL_ID_UK]

If Carcer City really is meant to be a combination of a bunch of midwestern cities, it makes the most sense to make it a parody of Chicago since Chicago is practically the capital of the Midwest.

[@TheLeevoy]

The GTA lore, mythos, and shared universes are probably what initially got me into fan theories in general. Before I ever really got heavy internet usage, all I had to go by was the easter eggs and little dialogue bits overheard from pedestrians and I always remember hearing about Carcer City. It was all the confirmation anyone ever needed that it's in the same game world as GTA. The 3D GTAs were also so aware of their own connectivity. The HD era does this too and even includes RDR references. GTA V and RDR2 kinda took the subtlety away but was there nonetheless. Very cool to see reverence for their creations.

[@squidparty2000]

I would love for GTA to go to Carcer city one day and make it Chicago while expanding upon the rust belt and Midwest areas around it. Detroit would be a cool recreation too to include Canada

[@IstoletwotrilliondollarsCIA]

I think GTA in Carcer City could take away some of the scariness of Carcer City, I think they can make something new they have never made with a HD Carcer City

[@bluenothing_666]

I think Carcer City is a fictional city inspired by Gary, Buffalo and Detroit located in New York State.

[@martinlatham4322]

I'm still playing this game 20 years later

[@ScallywagBeowulf]

I always thought Carcer City was a mashup (to a degree) of Detroit, Chicago, and Baltimore. I have no idea why.

[@khector4857]

I totally agree

[@Chantalan]

Ikr

[@pepijn23]

And maybe a bit of Philadelphia, Cleveland and New Jersey.

[@brandontadday6288]

And Baltimore being a point of influence would explain the strong presence of Skinz in the game considering Baltimore's history as a stronghold for neo-nazi, and white nationalist groups.

[@soundrail1895]

The state that Springfield in is 100% with accuracy, the state of .

[@UitdenOosterhout]

I always wanted to see this city in GTA. Maybe one day we will see Carcer City, Liberty City and Vice City in one GTA game. EPIC

[@LéOfficialGabeNewell]

Yo, imagine a GTA game set in Carcer city though? It could be the darkest GTA game yet.

[@DISORDEREDYT]

Just on time for a Halloween video nice, I'm planning of playing manhunt on PS4 and I hope I get the platinum.

[@BadgerGoodger]

I just finished streaming it from the PS4, and I'm glad it's even available for PS4.

[@georgeshulga]

Didn’t realise that the reference to Carcer city on Lips106 had been prior to Manhunt was released (thus similarly to Vice city reference on a billboard). Just shows how Rstar is great at planning ahead. Also, there is another reference to Carcer city is GTA SA - the airport (model that is used in the cut scene) lists arrivals/destinations and CC is one of them.

[@ROCKSTARMANIC12]

Great research, the quality is shown. Keep it up!

[@billymercury3897]

Re-watching this Video is honestly nostalgic. My favorite Badger Video

[@RESIST_DIGITAL_ID_UK]

I know we don’t even have GTA 6 yet but I already want to see GTA 7 based on Carcer City. I’m tired of seeing tropical maps in GTA, I want more temperate maps like Liberty city.

[@SavagePatch115]

I've always invisioned GTA 7 going back to LC with Carcer City being part of the map. It would make sense considering Carcer is mentioned to be nearby numerous times, and larger scaled games are commonplace

[@RESIST_DIGITAL_ID_UK]

@@SavagePatch115 Nah I like the idea of it being based on Chicago more. Unless they make a massive map that is big enough to encompass both of them.

[@primedemarr]

@@RESIST_DIGITAL_ID_UK They should put it in atlanta we need a new map They cant go back to no LC bro its been the same 3 maps forever and they damn well cant do london bc watchdogs just did it

[@sequayahrainwater]

Hopefully GTA 7 take place in Carcer City and not in Las Venturas. Rockstar drop the ball on GTA 5 they should of included all the original cities that were in San Andreas. Which would make GTA 5 map bigger and better.

[@bobabola1386]

i always thought it was mainly detroit wit elements of baltimore, cleveland, camden an gary jus thrown in one pot

[@673AWSF]

How is everyone so wrong in the comments? He gets it right 4:20 into the video. Carcer City was always Philadelphia. Maybe Camden/Philly/Chester mixed.

[@zorakihyena7392]

In my headcanon I picture Carcer City as being geographically Upstate NY but with hints of Philadelphia/Camden and Baltimore (especially with how close buildings/streets are in Manhunt along with Philly and Baltimore irl), whereas the city itself also borrows from Detroit, Chicago, and Cleveland. My guess is that it'd be located in Liberty State but further out in an opposite edge from Liberty City, and perhaps stretched out enough to be within somewhat reasonable distance to North Yankton. Perhaps alongside the universe's equivalent of the great lakes.

[@aaronjpuno]

Hi hi little nerdy correction here, but Cleveland has a fully function subway system; as well as three light rail lines. Camden also has the PATCO Subway running through it from Philly to suburban Lindenwold.

[@TraxelAxel]

0:35 and that's definitive proof that red Dead Redemption and GTA take place in different universes. Because New York is mentioned numerous times in both red Deads so I find it unlikely there's a liberty and New York City in that universe. Either that or liberty City is New York City just independent from the rest of the state

[@Mr_x_19922]

Fairport (FEAR) and Carcer City (Manhunt), Silent Hill and Racoon City (Resident Evil) are my favorite fictional cities ever. So dark, eerie and foggy, I love them

[@Dank_Dank]

90s San Andreas and 9/11 era Liberty City: No city is as dangerous as us Carcer City: Hold my machete

[@enderbunny1609]

It's definitely Camden NJ, it looks exactly like Camden except it's not as grimey as Camden

[@pavlo1207]

YAY MANHUNT VIDEO. love this game. Thank you!

[@Bobby_Bahama]

You’re right, Detroit doesn’t have a below-ground subway. However, it does have an above ground “people mover”. It goes above roads and into 2nd floor buildings, and it’s a really cool way to see downtown Detroit. I’d recommend it if any of you find yourselves in the D!

[@DISORDEREDYT]

Do some videos on The Warriors, that game gets no attention, one of my favourite games.

[@BadgerGoodger]

I still need to play that game! It's one of the few Rockstar titles that I haven't played yet.

[@DISORDEREDYT]

@@BadgerGoodger you definitely should! It's available on the PS4 store.

[@BeexDubb]

Badger Goodger You'll dig it 👌🏼

[@umbrellacorporation9168]

Badger Goodger well did you?

[@MovieGuy1998]

funny thing is that you can find the Stallion in the game. the car you can find in most gta games! Warrios (film & game) are great! i hope we get a new GTA-title set in the 1970s!!! That would be awesome!!!

[@KIPPZY]

This was such a good video. Was so into it and then it ended.

[@93camping]

Man, if I had the proper know-how and drive to do so, I would honestly love to try and recreate the entire 3d-era GTA world in the game City Skylines. Primarly doing the GTA locations first, then moving to Bullworth due to it already having a map. Before seeing if I can manage to fit both Carcer city and Cottonmouth. I already know somebody managed to recreate GTAV's map in City Skylines already. And given how SA is aproximatly 1/2 or 2/5 the size of it, in addition to mods that gives you even more space to build the city on, I like to think it could work.

[@MrSomeguyV2]

A lot of people are suggesting that Carcer City is a smaller city, but to me the Subway Map at 5:17 is a huge giveaway. That is a LOT of tunnels, spread across at least 10 different lines! That would make it the second largest subway map in the United States, behind New York City with 36 lines. And that's not just including subways, that's including all light rail, such as ground and elevated trains. In reality, the second largest light rail map in the United States is the Chicago "L" train with just 8 lines, meaning Carcer City's subway is larger than the Chicago "L". With a subway that big, the city must have the density and population to support it.

[@raylaguna2601]

Watching this at a high school as a senior.

[@SuperCoalBlox]

Raymundo Laguna same

[@alexknight1991]

"Mikey, bro, what was your first bank score? Eighty-eight, outskirts of Carcer City. Took a small franchise for ten G. Things were easier back then. Twenty-five years ago. Jesus."

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

I always thought Detroit but from the evidence, it looks to be Philadelphia. I think they should reboot it as a spin-off of Detroit. Makes more sense due to the “heartland” setting

[@twinberwolves4231]

Carcer City is a mix of Chicago and Detroit. It's worse than Liberty City, Vice City, and Los Santos combined.