What is Christianity? Ehrman-Harris Podcast

[@yogi_theMAN]

Are any of you people listening to yourselves? Are any of you listening to this audio? Do a little bit of research about what Bart is saying, you’d be surprised. I’ve found many altercations between the writings of Paul and the teachings of Jesus. This guy knows quite a lot and you might benefit from listening to them, instead of casting them to the side as non-believers who’s only goal is to disbelieve. If you have problems with what they say, study up! The internet and resources for these subjects are quite easy to acquire. Defend your argument, point by point. If these men are truly deluded, prove it!

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

I have absolutely studied such claims because of pseudo Christian groups who make those claims. It is a misunderstanding or it is a refusal to harmonize the text, and keeping it consistent in the contents. Considering g the different writers I formation in light of the others and committing to the hermeneutics concept of interpreting consistently. Only having to presume it was consistent among church leaders because of the facts in the history. They would have councils to work these things out. And such things were recorded. Not to mention what Peter says about what some do to twist Pauls writings "which can be hard to understand."

[@matthewkopp2391]

I don't think Bart or Sam are deluded. But just for the record one of the things Paul wrote in regards to his Christian ideas was to "test the ideas by the evidence" and "use sober discernment". And he also used Socratic arguments. And in the USA once upon a time Churches had highly educated non-literalists philosopher theologians like Paul Tillich, Martin Luther King Jr, and Thomas Merton. They were a great threat to multiple established powers and the Republican Party then legitimized the Biblical literalists. I take much of Bart's perspective But I don't consider myself an atheist, in general an ongoing student of comparative religion. But the decline of mainline churches and the rise of the fundamentalists was a coordinated political effort.

[@AtamMardes]

"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible." Mark Twain

[@rayhill5767]

Let’s get washed in the blood! No

[@turinhorse]

Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman are 2 of the most important people among us right now. Voices of reason and humanity we desperately need.

[@j919or]

you and they are idiots to the infinite degree

[@teresawhite9628]

Turin horse - don't worry about these ignorant haters like Johnny A...Sam Harris has knowledge of science AND religion that Johnny couldn't possibly understand...feel sorry for him...

[@MendTheWorld]

Johnny A The sheer weight of your incisive claim is infinitely compelling.

[@MeanmnachAodh]

@@j919or How so?

[@motiforyeshua5409]

I'm interested in knowing why? 😂

[@charliedurham4248]

This is the least amount of talking Sam Harris has ever had on his podcast. He must have a great deal of respect for Ehrman's knowledge

[@DouwedeJong]

I love the quote: Solving the contradictions in the bible is like solving a puzzle. You assume the puzzle is correct."

[@j919or]

i can crush any attempts to prove a contradiction in the bible

[@j919or]

you cant prove a single one

[@nextworld9176]

Johnny A I think no one will bother to challenge your dare, because simply by saying that, you’ve shown you don’t understand the Bible at all.

[@MendTheWorld]

Johnny A I laughed, which I don't do enough of. You seem to feel that "assuming the puzzle is correct" represents some sort of noble endeavor. I wonder at what point in time you jumped on the merry-go-round? Does circular reasoning ever make you dizzy?

[@brookendale3611]

@@j919or I used to be like you! read the nativity stories in luke and matthew. if you don't see the contradiction in those stories, then you WILL never be able to see other problems in the bible

[@dakrontu]

There is something seriously wrong with the idea of a god who continually allows new people to be born knowing that the majority of them are all going to rot in hell forever. Any sensible god would figure out, after a short while, that what he is doing is insanely cruel. . Reminds me of a fellow computer programmer who kept running a program that would always crash our computer system. I asked him why, when he knew what would happen, he continued to run it. He said 'because it is not supposed to crash'. One would hope that a god would be more intelligent in running his own creation.

[@Jonnyvids14]

"The reason I stopped being a Christian was because I no longer could account for how there could be so much pain and suffering in the world if there's a God who's in charge of it" Bart, have you ever considered that we do have a Creator, but that Creator is NOT in charge of this earth, or the pain and suffering that we see and experience on this earth? Just something to ponder brother. LOVE your teachings and your honesty.

[@Blackadder75]

'Turtles all the way down' aka a creator doesn't help answer the question. Who created the creator etc.

[@nextworld9176]

A person can believe in an intelligent creator separate from an ever-watchful god. After all, when He said ‘Let US make man in our own image’, who was He talking to? But walking on water and raising the dead are going too far. All lies and myths.

[@motiforyeshua5409]

Have you ever considered there is no free will without pain lol 🤣🤣🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ I think. You weren't taught a real Christian who has the Holy Spirit but rather you fell for the church buildings religion hocus pocus babel satanic doctrines lol sorry but this makes me laugh. Bart wasted all His time studying Hebrew to read the "masorets scripts". Lol the real manuscripts exist in and are preserved in English for thou do of years now lol foolish men make foolish choices 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@eversosleight]

As a Christian, I really enjoyed the discussion. I'm glad that Bart, agnostic, is willing to grant major apologetic points made by believers. Thanks to Bart and Sam!

[@jaylinn416]

Jorge Anido Same here. I am as committed Christian as one can get and I enjoyed this podcast. Sam Harris is a good interviewer.

[@jeffdunnage9971]

Bart is so much more relaxed here talking to Sam Harris than in any of his other videos. Best explanation of his work in my opinion.

[@pedjazoo]

Jeff Dunnage Different format though. This was a conversation, not a debate. But yes, surprising to hear him not raising his voice and shouting like a maniac 😂

[@adrianjanssens7116]

I agree, but when he gets worked up in discussing suffering during debates he hits one home run after another. He's my new Hitch.

[@hamoudi_d]

To all the Christians watching: There is no Christiantity within the teachings of Jesus. Neither did he command people to found a new religion nor did he do it yourself. Christianity is men made.

[@WatashiRyoKun]

@BladeRunner1669 it's okay to feel that, but pray to a Higher Intelligence (being), if you are a theist and ask him to guide you. Whether that be Buddha, Jesus, Allah, or the thousand of Hindu Gods... but.. Just ask for guidance :) at least if there is something after life then you've made a choice. (p.s. be open hearted on it, don't say any name for that being as well just believe that something is there and breathe slowly too(to relax))

[@davidk5954]

It is. Same for islam, Muhammad was a bloody warlord and slave trader

[@brenosantana1458]

Only the father is God.

[@cristianfcao]

Fantastic interview! Next time I'm introducing you (Bart Ehrman) and your work to somebody, I think I'll be linking this interview. The amount of topics you've covered is amazing! I hope you "visit" Sam again with your next book on the afterlife.

[@drgeorgek]

I love listening to this non Sunday mornings when I “should be” at church.... have listened to this many times and never tire of this discussion

[@simonmaginn1479]

Of the 500 who 'saw Jesus after his death', how many had seen him *before* his death in order to be able to know that the person they were seeing was, in fact, Jesus? (If anyone saw anything at all).

[@AndreAy1975]

Stance on mythicists is disappointing. Calling someone fringe is bad style and not an argument. Calling Josephus a source is not good, because the line about Jesus in Josephus might have been a later forgery. The argument about the 12 apostles including Jude becoming rulers is also bad. A much simpler expanation would be that the writer of that line messed up the consistency of the story. It happens all the time in large bodies of fiction like Harry Potter or Star Trek. The brother of Jesus as also been answered by Carrier as meaning a brother in Christ, not in the flesh. Why are we annoyed with all these outdated and answered arguments?

[@ZengaGuitar]

Mythicists cannot explain Paul referring to James, Jesus Brother. I used to be one, but I read some of the literature about the topic, and there isn't really a debate in Academia right now about that, internet is not a good representation of the debate.

[@Linge88]

I thought the same thing about Josephus.

[@andrewpauley4418]

Look up historyforatheists.com for a response to Carrier's arguments. Also, look up a list of fallacies and check if you didn't use some fallacious arguments yourself.

[@truethinker221]

And your degree is from ---

[@entwood]

Don't look up History For Atheists. It's a blog written by a guy with a grudge against Carrier. Try Vridar and Carrier's own blog for articles which address the heart of the arguments on historicity. It looks pretty bad for the historical Jesus.

[@billkeon880]

Excellent discussion Sam. Bart is just great

[@raysalmon6566]

Poor chap Lost and all...

[@fadedglory1045]

Could listen to these brilliant men for hours. Just did!

[@CurlyGirl37]

Neither Harris nor Ehrman know or care about you Faded Glory. Read the the Bible (cover to cover) for yourself, get to know the God who actually does care about you and make up your own mind. When you die (as we will all do alone) your decision will be of utmost importance. “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants. ” John 3:16‭-‬21 NLT

[@rainxp1318]

@@CurlyGirl37 Amen!!!

[@hjbasson]

Very good interview. Both Sam and Bart is very knowledgeable. Worth watching

[@ajmalsarwar2939]

Funny listening to all the Christian comments playing the man and not the ball.

[@barkYdarkATFB]

@Ajmal Sarwar as per usual, the comments under a Harris video. Ad hominem is the most popular style of comment, as there is generally no good argument against the topic content.

[@cwdor]

@Huhmongus ..... Christianity is not from the Jews,. Christianity is from Satan.... repent accept Jahovah and do good works

[@angelmoncada382]

Funny, I didn't know comments could be Christian.

[@javierborda8684]

You just did the same...

[@javierborda8684]

barkYdarkATFB you just did the same...

[@YaoEspirito]

"Gerald Ford's State of the Union Address"... Great point!

[@merveilmeok2416]

If Jesus were born in Russia, India, in the Congo or in the Honduras would you be a Christian today?

[@oldcowboy3367]

Hi Merveil, The question doesn't have an answer. Jehovah had always intended to be where he was. The whole reason God had a "chosen people" was so that the Savior would come through that line. In other words, it was because Christ was going to come in the meridian of time in a place that would be prepared to offer him as a sacrifice that the Hebrews were selected. Their theology taught for more than a millennium that Christ would come in preparation for the event. It was all a part of God's plan.

[@subrosa4792]

Merveil Meok all of us are atheists, some of us just take it one God further...

[@comparedtowhat2719]

Best question asked in the last fifty years for where this nation has moved (morally, religiously, politically) in the last four.

[@brahilly]

And what would that change?

[@aaronclarke7732]

All of those are world powers contemporary to the Roman Empire with surviving religions today. In some cases believed by billions. Good point badly made.

[@danafranchitto8751]

To me the most serious contradiction from a conventional Christian viewpoint would be the passion in the Gospels where one gospel says even the thieves on either side of him made fun of him and another gospel has a very well-known story about a penitent thief who asked him to remember him when he comes as king and Jesus says I tell you this day thou shalt be with me in Paradise since redemption and penance is the whole point of Christianity that is a very serious contradiction

[@jasonfrederick1258]

No. The point of Christianity is Faith in Jesus Christ.

[@kimurico1]

@@jasonfrederick1258 maybe, but the contradiction Dana mentions is there, as are so many others. So to which version will you be faithful to and why? What's the limit?

[@danafranchitto8751]

@@jasonfrederick1258 Jason it's this willingness to suspend critical thinking in the name of"faith" that concerns me I feel it has troublesome ramifications for society

[@jasonfrederick1258]

@@kimurico1 there is nothing without its apparent or real contradictions. FAITH which is a revelation resolves these conflicts personally by showing the believer those things that are unseen.

[@charlescoryn9614]

May I digress.......Another subject that I have never see mentioned is why would any omniscient, omnipotent Being create a world where every living creature must eat some other living creature, alive, just to stay alive themselves. Anthropology and archaeology have extended the time frame now of our evolutionary past, which means thousands and thousands of years of 'God's creatures' eating each other alive. And where was the Christian 'God' thousands of years ago? We can learn of all the thousands of gods created by humans throughout world history from Marjorie Leach's 'Guide to the Gods', her more than 800 page listing of these gods and goddesses. (1992 ABC-CLIO) So these are the kinds of things I think about in my old age, while watching my cats torture, and 'play' with mice and vols, and butterflies in particular, until the death, and equally the locusts or whatever else moves within their field of vision. But they don't eat them for some reason........ Well, religion seems to come up lacking to my mind....... Perhaps it is more of a vehicle to express oneself, one's power over others...... and to make a living doing it. Is that too cynical? Here, give me your money and I'll promise you'll go to heaven, etc..........

[@thirdrd0]

That's a fantastic interview by a accomplished scholar who contributed greatly to atheist cause and to humanity in general. Sam Harris was there too.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Christianity is a belief that the invisible desert Hebrew god Yahweh, deposited himself into the ampulla of the fallopian tube of a Jewish virgin and formed himself into a human body called Yeshua. Yeshua's mission was to become a messiah (teacher) and a sacrifice to himself to forgive humanity for disobeying him. If we do not take advantage of Yahweh's sacrifice and submit to Yahweh then eternal torture awaits us after we become disembodied souls. That's what I learned in the first grade at Sacred Heart School 60 years ago. I was born an atheist and I have no recollection of existing before I became a human body.

[@cameronhayward7858]

David Anewman What are you talking about? Atheism has no core beliefs, they are united only by not believing in a god.

[@zedwms]

I can relate to Prof. Ehrman. I don't have his education, but I have his Christian experience, including the position of that experience in the past. I was a Christian for 30 years, active and well-studied, before leaving, 11 years ago. Of course I saw good times, but I also saw many things that were contradictory and untenable. Ironically, though, it was the "well-studied" part of my Christianity that ultimately illuminated the exit door for me. Today I tend to lean more toward the Jesus-never-existed end of the spectrum, but of course, that doesn't mean I doubt the existence of a higher intelligence. I just highly doubt that it's the Christian god, or any other misguided human attempt to describe a higher intelligence. Because we must put names to these things, though, I call it the circum-psyche.

[@RoseSharon7777]

Jesus is metaphor for the elect chosen martyers/prophets/high priests/judges/servants/kings. The princes of Israel. Vs the body of belivers. The head and body of self sacrifice as living offerings to God. Unfortunately, the story got corrupted big time and was changed into a pagan god-man human sacrifice for sins.

[@voxservice6426]

Two of today's great voices.

[@raywingfield]

wow, so much historic truth..... thank you Dr. Ehrman..... good job Dr. Harris.....

[@nativeatheist6422]

Debate Carrier on the historicity of Jesus, answer this question for us!

[@thescoobymike]

I'm not even Christian anymore but I hate the term "Common Era"

[@RandallChase1]

Great interview, I am a Christian, I have not always been a Christian. But I truly enjoyed this interview. Bruce Metzger (Bart’s Prof.) doesn’t agree with Bart. Interestingly listening to this interview his problem wasn’t with what he writes about regularly, but rather the problem of suffering. This topic has been covered many times by other philosophers like Alvin Plantinga and has been shown to be answered.

[@dukeon]

Randall Chase - No, it has not been answered. You’re just deceiving yourself that it has.

[@RandallChase1]

Justin Sias have you read Alvin Plantinga? If not I’d recommend it. There is no logical incompatibility with the existence of God and the existence of evil. To know something is evil implies there is moral good and evil. If we are all just animals then there is no real problem with things like rape and murder. The bear doesn’t murder in the woods nor does a lion rape when it forcibly copulates in the wild thats simply naturalism acting like naturalism, right? But we call things evil because we know that there is an ultimate good or bad... again otherwise we are just looking at good as a human construct, which if that’s the case then as long as people think something is good then it is. The Nazi’s didn’t do evil because they thought it was ok. We only think it’s evil because we don’t like it. As for God, some imply that if God is really good then there would be no pain, or suffering, no death, no natural disasters... but there is no justification for this view. God isn’t real or not because WE don’t like how things are done. God isn’t good or bad because he does or doesn’t act like WE think he should. Just a thought.

[@NN-wc7dl]

Christianity (the Abrahamic tradition) could be the biggest conspirational ideology in human history.

[@calpeters4295]

Seems more like the natural outcropping of human beings trying to explain life's mysteries than anything that sinister. We're also tribal, so forming up into religious groups makes as much sense as families, communities, and political parties. Continuing to hold to such beliefs in the light of scientific discovery is more perplexing but still makes sense when we understand how people think. Or..."think".

[@singingphysics9416]

Sam, if you want to understand the evidence that Jesus never existed, just search 'Richard Carrier' on KZbin. Bart, please debate this man

[@yamahajapan5351]

Singing Physics he has ...

[@halnovemila9698]

Wonderful amazing podcast! Thank you!! I loved the intelligent and perfectly articulated questions that Sam Hariss posed to Professor Bart D. Ehrman, as well as I loved Bart's replies. One reply in particular have struk me... the one that explains the main reason that made Prof. Ehrman to turn into atheism. IT'S NOT, as many, including myself, would guess that he lost faith due to his studies and findings about the history of Christianity and the NON DIVINE origins of the scriptures... Prof. Ehrman explains what was the main reason at video time 1:46:21 with the following words: "the thing is that my classes are about the history of early Christianity including the history of the New Testament, and that scholarship for me is what lead me away from being a fundamentalist but it DID NOT LEAD ME AWAY FROM BEING A CHRISTIAN. THE REASON I STOP BEING A CHRISTIAN WAS BECAUSE I NO LONGER COULD ACCOUNT FOR HOW THERE CAN BE SO MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING IN THE WORLD if there's a God who's in charge of it. This was more of a philosophical-thoelogical question" It's such a relief to have heard such answer from Prof. Bart because I never have heard a good enough reason to become an atheist only on the ground of the evidences that disprove the divine and inerrancy nature of the Bible, and I really wondered that a brilliant mind like Prof. Bart Ehrman could have turned away from being a Christian just because the Bible isn't the "word of God" as he had believed for many years of his life. But I do understand and I agree that the so called "problem of pain" is a HUGE ISSUE that mainstream Christian theology dramatically FAILS to provide a reasonable and MORALLY ACCEPTABLE answer, and while in lack of such answer it may indeed seem more reasonable to NOT believe in any God rather than to believe in an apparently unjust and immoral one. #HalEx

[@francescobar9052]

So, in synthesis, Jesus was a country preacher who had some success with the folksy people of Galilee. That went to his head and he thought of himself as the prophesied 'messiah', champion of god on earth, etc. Went to Jerusalem expecting to duplicate his success on a far larger scale but failed at his first test, at the temple, where he misunderstood the function served by the coin-exchanger and caused an unnecessary ruckus. He was wacked by the Romans who didn't like people who disturbed the already fragile peace. His followers (at least, some of them) didn't want to admit they had been wrong and - as modern believers of imminent ends of the world do when the dates pass without apocalypse - they invented an incredibly complicated theology (three gods for the price of one, etc) to justify their choices. And that was the beginning of the most widespread religion on Earth. I wonder what some observers from outer spaces would take from this as basis for their opinion on humanity...

[@nijoyjohn4366]

this PODCAST is pure gold

[@xelakram]

This is a superb discussion! Thank you! Food for thought indeed!

[@frederickaffainie6695]

I like Bart.The interviewer is very clever

[@hanialturk5981]

Jesus in that photo looks like Messi

[@bubblestar2314]

No he doesn't. Why do you say that?

[@bubblestar2314]

Revelation 20:14-20 writes: " Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death-the lake of fire. And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Notice that this passage says that the lake of fire , is "the second death". When a person is dead, how can they feel fire? Death would be the punishment.

[@eliasasitetsoangami7497]

What u said is true.

[@alexanderholding1952]

The first death is the death of your physical body. The second death is the death of your "spirit". Hope that helps.

[@charlescoryn9614]

Concisely, referring to the ending of the discussion, around 1:45:00, why would we not want to further truth and reality, wherever they may lead us? As opposed to supporting superstition and belief? A matter of temperament I think....... So rather than ignore the study of anthropology, we might encourage it. It appears to me that we are in fact brainwashed from the moment we are born by everyone surrounding us; parents, preachers and priests, neighbors and friends, the 80 or 90% of those we live among who are professing some particular belief system, but in fact offer no evidence or proof of the truth or reality of such. Is that a correct observation or not? Before children can even think or begin to reason they are immersed in their culture's belief system, a religion, a cultural artifact which is presented as real and true because it surrounds us so totally, and, as species, it is all we've known and experienced since our evolution to homo sapiens began. This is the essence of culture, of thousands of years of slowing changing beliefs, but so little real knowledge. Because there was no science, and no way to measure reality. Until now........

[@blackbuddha8167]

Two of my favorites. Magnificent job men

[@Larry30102]

Not to ramble...but my path has many similarities. This was refreshing. Many thanks.

[@truethinker221]

Wow good education . Bart> i wish you would present biblical studies and leave the atheism out . You are a great teacher. And sharing all the knowledge in a non threatening way to Christians would really help getting people to read research and deeply study the biblical text.

[@robertjimenez5984]

Nobody notice that Paul was killing Christians and as soon as he has his encounter with his imaginary friend the killing stops like If Paul was the only lunatic killing Christians. But he was not alone. Does this make any sense?

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

Yes, Jesus is King

[@michaelstevenson9648]

No, you make no sense at all.

[@fionafiona1146]

Once he finds a communety sufficiently repressed to keep abusing he has little reason to keep murdering... others might have needed longer 😉

[@Writer538]

It is less than clear whether the Church of God which Paul said he persecuted was composed of Christians or just by Jews who were followers of Jesus but did not see him as divine or as a savior (except in a more worldly sense, the Jewish sense).

[@HebaruSan]

The new book sounds fascinating, I would pre-order now if it was on Amazon!

[@tiger23800]

Great Podcast! Another wrong thing about Jesus' sacrifice is that according to Torah, sin offering must be a goat without blemish. Jesus was said to be a lamb and was beating.

[@himalayanworshiper6034]

Would love to see a debate between the guest of this podcast with Dr. Michael Brown.

[@xlxdeboxlx3767]

I would enjoy that too. Before I became an atheist, I was a pastor, and listened to a ton of Dr Michael Brown. I became an atheist during Trump’s presidency and seeing Christians and Dr. Brown supporting Trump, was one of my final straws for believing.

[@SPL0869]

@@xlxdeboxlx3767 I don’t think we have seen how many Christians are going to leave Christianity after seeing their leaders hitch their wagon to Trump. There is literally no intelligent way for them to justify supporting such a morally bankrupt idiot.

[@DLANM57]

He debate Brown years ago on the topic of suffering.

[@charlescoryn9614]

Excuse me, but I want to do a small experiment if I may, and as I am now 81 years of age I think it is now time, so please humor me for a moment..... I am atheist, and there is one reason in particular that I cannot accept the reality of a supernatural Jesus. And that is, I believe that it would be impossible for a human being to hide such a characteristic while growing up, that such knowledge would certainly escape and spread like wildfire, so how did Jesus reach the age of 28 or 30 years without this happening? Think of today...... say a streetlight illuminates a church window such that a 'supernatural' glow occurs, or a famous statue of Mary appears to be weeping...... such news will travel like the proverbial wildfire throughout the community, even throughout the country. How could a child, or a teen-ager, hide the supernatural side of his personality? Would not a neighbor or a traveling salesman reveal this information to the local as well as the not so local community?. It seems it would take tremendous effort to contain such knowledge........

[@robertunderwood1011]

Some of us show discretion. Who wants to stir up another crucifixion?

[@Napoleonic_S]

There was the so called the infancy gospel of Thomas where Jesus killed his friend because he stole his toy or something like that, another story in the same gospel where Jesus killed his religious teacher because Jesus was lazy to recite the scripture, all that happened in Jesus youth, allegedly. Of course even ancient people noticed the absurdity of the story so they didn't accept that gospel to the canon. Basically you can made up anything with the whole fiction.

[@healthyone100]

jesus and john the baptist were members of the essene sect at Quamran, they were just men but were great teachers they were strict vegans and taught how to take care of gods true temple our bodies, you will create your own HELL on earth if you disobey the laws of nature, slavation comes by keeping the temple clean and healthy, all these"s so called scholars are all frauds and don't teach the true word of christ there all on the road to HELL!

[@tamborafina]

Is this Sam Harris interviewing him?

[@lancetschirhart7676]

Absolutely. Harris has cooled off and matured in recent years, and he now has a level (imo) podcast called Making Sense, which this interview is probably from.

[@sarala9794]

The picture of Jesus on the cover looks a lot like Bart Ehrman!

[@RobertaPeck]

I thought the same thing. Bart looks very much like this Jesus image.

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

MAYBE BART IS THE SECOND COMING!!

[@michaelstevenson9648]

It's great how Bart Ehrman knows that this is how Jesus looked like, but based on what exactly i know not. Yet, on the other hand he has many questions about the validity of the scriptures.

[@nephkiller]

Always interesting. How would you comment on the subject of personal salvation? Would you without distressing emotion aroused by impending danger state it is all bunk and that there is no guy running around just to mess you up, or is there a concept that salvation is a relevant substance?

[@tbayley6]

I think salvation remains an issue for human beings, in the sense that life demands some kind of reckoning and integration. And I think there is indeed a guy running around messing it up, but he's not quite what we're led to believe he is. Jung talked about facing the shadow for example, and I think we can get even clearer than that, though it's not easy in a KZbin comment section!

[@rudikalasan4922]

Translat to Indonesia please, all video

[@chrisbaerart]

You could probably find Dr. Ehrman's books at your library in your language -that might be a start - at least it's something. :)

[@proximusarcturian7496]

I enjoyed the whole talk. Very informative 🤔

[@tesfekidan]

I am still puzzled about what Bart Ehrman stands for since his historical findings in relation to texual variants in the New Testament! Is he now an agnostic or an atheist. Does his scepticism lead him to believe that there in no or there might not be a God? Forgetting about his views on the resurrection and Christians believing that jesus is God incarnet for a minute, its obvious that he believes that Jesus existed and he was crucified and this same person spoke about the existence of God because of his first hand experience in him saying that he was with him before the world began; so i am assuming that Bart Erhman doubts some, but not all, of what was written regarding Jesus's sayings, It therefore would be interesting to know what he actually accepts as being the actual words spoken by Jesus and compile them in a booklet to see how it reads which can then be analyzed as to who Jesus really was! However, I wonder if his compilation would make Christian's believe any different about Jesus and the overall existence of God!

[@mikerevs34]

KZbin channel - "Unbelievable" for his converstion with a committed xtian. Erhman makes it clear you cannot trust anything attributed to Jesus as actually being said by him, in the New Testament "gospel"s. Check for yourself, he's quite clear.

[@werefeat1755]

That's a good question but a pointless one. The entire labeling system related to religion is useless. Only religious people ask these kinds of questions. If you use Facts, Logic and Reason, you get one definition of the Universe. If you use religion, you get an unlimited number of definitions.

[@apm77]

I think I would very much enjoy a casual conversation with Bart, partly because his story and mine are in some ways very similar and in others very different. One important difference is that I never had a fundamentalist understanding of Hell. What I did believe about salvation could fill a long paragraph, but I placed more emphasis on the idea of "seek and ye shall find", that anyone who earnestly yearns to be morally perfect is assured of receiving God's truth, whether in this life or otherwise. It is definitely unpalatable that a benevolent god would let people be tortured eternally for getting the wrong answer on a trivia quiz, but it is somewhat more palatable that a damnation terminating in destruction could be the fate of those who decline to seek their own moral betterment. This was my view. The idea of progressive revelation is usually evoked in the context of explaining away things in the Old Testament such as the more wrathful depictions of God or how he walks around in the Garden of Eden. It's unusual to hear it evoked with reference to the period of composition of the New Testament. I am surprised to hear Bart say that he uses the discrepency in the date of the crucifixion to show fundamentalists that there are contradictions, given that he has pointed out on numerous occasions that there is a perfectly good way to reconcile this, i.e. by acknowledging that at least one account departs from a literal telling of events to make a poetic or theological point. As Bart says, fundamentalists are good at reconciling things, so what good does it do to show them yet another example of something that is easily reconciled? Is it a case of trying to be gentle with them? We could spend all day talking about how modern Christians debate the nature of the atonement, but that is of course different from the topic of how it was understood historically. I do think it's clear that neither Paul nor the other New Testament writers believed you could be saved merely by assenting to certain doctrines; that is a corruption of their message. What is the evidence that Paul lost the argument with Peter in Galatians?

[@brasstacks7181]

Why at 12:16 did they make jesus eye color on the book turn from brown to blue, then back to brown?! Sneaky

[@LordiscomingTV]

Dr Ehrman: I have recently gone through two of your publications : the "Lost Scriptures" and the "Lost Christianities". Thanks for your valuable research first. I learn a lot from them. There are several things I would like to share with you here. Firstly, I think that the Ebionites were highly likely mean the "poor people". The Messiah answered and said to them, “Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, the poor have the gospel preached to them. 'the poor have the gospel preached to them." If so, the Ebionites may be the "true" believers of the Messiah. Secondly, "the gospel of the holy 12" is highly likely used by the Ebionites. This gospel is available now in the market. Thirdly, on page 103 of the "Lost Christianities", you have mentioned about the Locusts[meat]. In the "Gospel of the holy 12", it states that John the Baptist eat "the fruits of Locusts tree".

[@deusvult9372]

Christians understand that there are variations in the text, but still the core of the gospel all coincide. How can we know the exact details? If this makes you fall of faith then your assumptions on the bible were misled to begin with.

[@wilfordmurray]

Fact is that Christianity is based upon a combination of human sacrifice, scapegoating, and wishful thinking.

[@nathangant7636]

Religions are evolving even as Dr. Ehrman is speaking in this recent podcast. Currently, the United Methodists in 2021 will formally split between liberal and "traditionalist". The evolution of Christianity started after the Greek Orthodox Church split off from the Roman Catholics. Although there were many sects before then. After the Reformation, then came a myriad of Protestant denominations. It also has happened in all the other mainstream religions: Islam (Sunni/Shia), Judaism, Buddhism. Even more true with Hinduism, which has its own sects 2-3 thousand years old each with its own separate holy scripture. The longer a religion exists, the longer it branches out and diversifies.

[@walterbushell7029]

And why do some Chirstians blame the Jews for the execution of Jesus, when the Bible clearly states it was the Italians who done the deed?!

[@ChuddleBuggy]

No one layed a hand on Jesus Christ against His will. Jesus voluntarily offered Himself to undeserved punishment in behalf of people He came to Earth to save. The gospels report that Pontius Pilate was reluctant to pronounce a judgement on Jesus primarily because He had no real reason to, and because of a dream his wife had about Jesus. Nevertheless, he (Pilate) was caught between a rock and a hard place and did not want to cause civil unrest over the issue, so he obliged the Jewish religious leaders who demanded that Jesus be crucified. At the time, the Romans themselves had no reason to eliminate Jesus Christ. It was the Jews who chanted "crucify Him!", and chose Barrabas, a political prisoner, to be released in Jesus' stead.

[@DonVoghano]

Everyone knew that the Romans did it, but most Christian converts were Romans in the Roman empire and Christians were derided by Jews as dumbass heretics who didn't understand the basics of Judaism and Yahweh. So as time passed the Christians tried as much as possible to exculpate the Romans to avoid persecution by the state and alienation of their top constituency, and became ever more anti-Semitic in response to Jewish hate and mockery.

[@johnmakovec5698]

@@ChuddleBuggy Jesus was a criminal. You can't take justice to your own hands and use violence. He should talk to them. Not use violence protected by guys with swords.

[@paddygoes3746]

@@ChuddleBuggyJews did not perform this kind of execution. However, they would, according to the strict letter of the law, have been required to execute Jesus, whoever he supposedly was. But the Sanhedrin actually made it almost impossible to convict someone of an offence punishable by death and such an occurrence was almost unheard of in Jewish history. See Deuteronomy 13. The NT is an exercise in ignorance of Torah.

[@wesbaumguardner8829]

@@ChuddleBuggy If no one laid a hand on Jesus without his consent, Jesus cannot have been betrayed by Judas. If Jesus was betrayed by Judas, Jesus' captors laid their hands on him without his consent.

[@covffchannel]

Excellent topic

[@gabrieldossantos3468]

2020 we still have sky daddy crowd , we want to inhabit mars , religious still hang on to a 2000 year old book lol

[@Monavah]

The age of the book makes it irrelevant?

[@gctcauto]

2000 year old set of contradictory book*

[@tyrander1652]

People haven't changed.

[@pennydove8272]

You mean 2020 years. Not even a drop in the bucker on the Earths actual age.

[@javierborda8684]

What’s your plan for Mars?

Yes, very interesting conversation. Thanks for sharing.

[@shivani4279]

Yeah the Bible is a beautiful piece of literature, but it's just mythology.

[@456zounds]

Amen!!

[@Rightlydividing-wx1xb]

I'm a biblical scholar, I challenge you or any other atheist to Intelligence in design science argument orTransmission of the Greek New Testament mss., or What the Greek New Testament mss. say concerning any doctrine of the Christian Faith. I've never met an atheist yet that could make a coherent argument against the doctrines of the Christian Faith, including what the scriptures say, or giving them in their context. All atheistic so- called arguments amount to name calling, shortness in temperment, condescension, etc. and incredible lack of knowledge of the scriptures, except for those atheists who are bona fide scholars of the Greek New Testament Even Bart Erhman says we can't know what the autographs say, then says the mss. we have are totally corrupted, which is a contradiction. Then in the appendix of his paperback edition of Misquoting Jesus he admits that no Cardinal Christian teaching is affected at all, yet he says Jesus is not God, which is a Cardinal doctrine of the Christian Faith. These are just a couple of examples from an atheist, New Testament Greek Scholar who even claims he was a Christian. Then, in his book he claims that if Jesus was God, then in Matthew 24:36, and Mark 13 Jesus would know the day and hour of his return in the future. But if he was saved, as a person who is supposed to know the New Testament, he would know and understand why nor the Son is said by Jesus in those passages, clearly explained by Paul in Philippines 2:6-11 and Jesus himself in John chapters 14-16. There is more, much much more, I assure you. He also deceives everyone concerning variants in the Greek New Testament. All Christian Scholars are absolutely up front and open about the variants and you must not listen very closely to Bart's opponents. I hope you and all who do not believe in Jesus will repent and believe in Him for salvation from God's coming wrath.

[@laker59y]

@@Rightlydividing-wx1xb What does believing the bible is mythology have to with being an atheist. They are not related.

[@healthyone100]

THE BIBLE IS GREAT BOOK ABOUT HEALTH AND HOW TO TAKE CARE OF THE TRUE TEMPLE OUR BODIES IF YOU KNOW WERE TO dig!

[@sigitantoro6074]

I like the youtube video of Mr. Erhman, but I'm not adept at English, so I hope Mr. Erhman provides indonesian language in Indonesia, and I'm sure it can add to the Subscriber a video of Mr. Erhman from the people of Indonesia

[@joannasarcamedes8191]

Bart you are blowing the doors off our centuries of religous christianity. is there any truth to the bible left after digging for the real truth as long as you have.?

[@joseperez2515]

Jummm, Jesus had an identical twin brother, or so Bart said in one of his videos, so it's possible that whom was seen was Jesus brother. Then there is the possibility that a look alike actually sacrificed his life to save Jesus. I believe there was a Jesus but I don't believe he was divine. Just like I don't believe in the Bible. I can't wrap my mind around the idea that a God would favor the type of people the Jewish God favored unless the supposed God was evil. In any case, listening to what Bart exposes in his talks, a lot of the things in the New Testament were actually created after the death of Jesus. So, there are as many lies in the New Testament as there are in the Old Testament. So, like the gonotics, I believe that there is one God but we don't really know the guy. The beings we know are of our own invention, born of our imagination. This world is nothing but a trap from which we can't seem to escape but it's not because there is no way to do so. it's because we don't really want to escape.

[@scottlouissmith2382]

Hi Jose! You think ALOT like I do when it comes to the bible and religion! Try watching Jeffrey Daugherty on KZbin. He is awesome!

[@markusEuro]

Where does Christianity come from? to cut a long story short: In ancient Egypt the Pharaoh was believed whether to resurrect himself or to be resurrected by God Osiris, I don't know. After his death there would be an eternal life in the space, which could be seen in heaven. The Pharaoh gave life in general, like the River Nile. A book, The Book of the Dead, was needed both to achieve this goal and to accomplish this end. The pyramids were resurrection-machines. What archaeologists have found in the graves showcasts the believe that there is another world where these everyday objects or works of art could be used again. Tomb raiders obviously didn't share this assumption. At that time, gradually and increasing through the centuries, everybody wanted to take part in this hope for an afterlife. The Jews in general left this Egyptian scheme behind them when leaving literally Egypt and these paradigms. It is my two pennies worth that Christianty is the answer to the poor man's need and despair. The social and political problems within the Roman Empire were really bloody awful. And there were also lingering controversies between Hellenism and Judaism. Perhaps the people then really tent to imagine that statues were divine manifestations, and not only works of art. The Jews for the most part were scattered all over the ancient world and they were pretty influencial and rich, what on the other hand Jesus was not. After Nero, the Flavian dynasty was seen by Josephus as the hope of the world. The historically proven destruction of the Holy Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and the killing of all Jewish life there seemed to have been predicted or forecasted by Jesus' non-violent movement. On the other hand, the Romans thought that they had to crucify any rebellious leader or to suppress any civil unrest in order to maintain their military supremacy in favour of the Roman Empire.

[@robertorlando9726]

Thank you.

[@jgunn03]

"Heaven's Gate" by Glynn Washington (Snap Judgement). Very good podcast.

[@PIAK_08]

i am a born again Christian also before i became a Unitarian Christian, just saying...

[@carlpen850]

@ Rebe... I told my mother that I was thinking of being born again... she had a fit, she said once was enough

[@tazz6328]

Paul came straight from Tarses which the beliefs in that time was mythrism

[@humilityisaformofdeception8523]

The sword talks and lies walk., that’s how Christianity has been spreading .

[@arthurskay4744]

To be born again, acording to Jesus,you have to born from the water ,the Word of God, and from the Spirit of God,that means,not only you have to know the Bible (a book written for imperfects men that contain the word and revelation from God), but be full of the Holly Gost through constant prayers and fasting. That's the problem with all these academies, seminars,universities, bibles colleges, and so called scholars,they simply don't know the Holly Spirit,they weren't never born again, they weren't actual Christians they are just intellectuals that talk trash about God, because, they don't know Him, like the Pharisees. Stop getting degrees,start praying asking Jesus to Know Him personally though the Holly Gost.Save your soul of the hell.Jesus is alive healing,feeding people from demons and blessing and protecting all person that want to be a son of God.

[@klumaverik]

Great talk. Not too deep for my work attention.

[@Jnely9]

The only problem that I have with this and other podcast is the obvious exclusion of the Africans and the original beginnings of Christianity. The idea of a monotheistic deity began with the Africans and was overtime twisted to fit the ideology of the Times. Constantine, Nicea, etc. I would ask for the full history and stop acting like the world began with Greece. I would suggest that your not quite awoke, but still groggy and beginning to wake up. Erhman I am sure knows this. However keep the information flowing.

[@joshjohnson3347]

Nobody gives a shit if illogical voodoo beliefs were started by Africans. Africa isn’t as special as you think. Get over it. You sound like that black Hebrew Israelite cult.

[@daragildea7434]

What evidence do you have to support your claim?

[@gamerknown]

Spinoza devotes a lot of the tractatus to contradictions in the Bible from what I recall

[@markusEuro]

When I look at my own experience, I will stick to Christianity, the Bible, to Jesus, to God. Since he always watched over me, I assume that he loves me, and every day I try to response to this fact. Otherwise, nothing would have made sense. This word is turned in something ugly. I don't know why.

[@macmudgee]

The Holy Spirit is our guide, he leads us into all truth, we don't only rely on the Bible.

[@markusEuro]

@PortableDavers This is a humble fellow from Germany speaking: It's so sad to see some people in the United States being dumbed down and divided from their traditional stronghold, the faith into everything Christian related. There is the Lord I have experienced, why is TV and the internet so powerful trying to destroy that absolute truth to a part for the common man? This is a humble fellow from Germany speaking: my English speaking gives evidence of the compelling power and the enigma of God Abraham's, God Jacob's, God Issac's who spoke to me in April 1967, when I was five years of age. It was at the time of the war in Vietnam. Since Germany had lost two world wars, my own mother didn't want another child soldier, so she couldn't love me as her son. She sacrificed her own career to their children. Having lost her baby boy brother in the cruel war in 1944 at Christmas, when her own soldier father visited home to see his boy die, it broke the family's heart. She told me that a year ago when she was about to die herself. My father, who married my mother as a mother surrogate to get a mother of his own, always ridiculed me in order to get her attention completely. A rivalry. A week ago her said to me, while staying in a hospital: "What a dish you was as a boy making men crazy with your blond looks." What a cruel thing to be outwitted by your own father for sins that were not, but that influenced my whole life. When I was a kid I didn't know why I was imitating Marilyn or Mansfield. But it was God's will to save my life. That I lived to survive to say. From Norman Mailer's biography I knew that this book was my saving grace. And my downfall to an extent.- I knew in 1967 there was something wrong and that some day I would have to save my father's business, which all come true. All alone with a Apple computer I miracously learned to handle it what saved my parents ' from bankruptcy, so that they could, together with my ill-fated brother, squander all the money in the Dotcom bubble in 2000. - The Lord was my guidance without my own knowing that. - My father's own mother had no motherly feelings for him since she only gave birth because the criminàl Nazis came to power, encouraging to give Hitler a baby. In my dream in April 1967 I was informed about a woman's death soon happening, who I never had heard of until then. The voice didn't tell me her name. Then suddenly it was about two women. I would have warned that woman if I had known her. She seemed to be in the battle of her life. Anyway. I asked myself: Is this God's justice to punish a human being like a tyrant, for what wrongdoing? It didn't feel right and I wanted to understand. On the other hand I believed that the Lord was pure love and trustful and justice. The dream didn't leave me clueless. This started my investigation. I didnt know about my dream until some years ago. It took me 40 years to dedicate and donate time and money to study about her, about the two platium blonde bombshell rivals. That gave me education to further more my development. So finally I had to plunge into learning English more thoroughly during the last few years. I was over fifty and it was almost too late to do so. Besides, the women I dreamt of were American Hollywood actresses, both dying young and were publicized heavily but deeply misunderstood. Was it worthwhile? It was not my choice but became my identity. Obviously, I didn't know clearly where my motivation came from. My this writing here is only the tip of the iceberg of that investgation into everything bible and its sophisication. Whoever wants to know more, write me. Bless you lord. Sincerely, Markus

[@unturbe]

So you believe because it makes you feel good regardless of what happens to other innocent people. 'Nuff said.

[@seriouskaraoke879]

@@macmudgee -- you hearing voices?

[@purami14]

" I assume" says it all.

[@NYCBG]

One God... One Book ... One Creed ... could this have been the birth of (no, not monotheism) TOTALITARIANISM?

[@NYCBG]

@Chait Singh I feel like we're on the same page here... And it's a sad, sad, page.

[@goongavel8118]

Yes

[@AlJaathiyah45_23]

The Roman crucifixtion is not equal the Deutronomy Crucifixtion demonstrated in Joshua 8 and Joshua 10, Genesis 40: 28 Chief Baker with Josephus ( NIV transliteration - the chief baker was impale to the tree) that satisfy criteria of Deutronomy 21:22-23 This mean *"Jesus son of Mary was not technically crucify according to Deutronomy **21:22**-23 and not technically cursed by God of Abraham"* This implies that the Jews were lack of knowledge and showed their misunderstanding about Torah as the law of crucifixtion may be forgotten as almost not made in practise for a very long time. This is supported because Jesus son of Mary was hanged on a cross while he is alive. and not exposed but "strip naked"

[@commoveo1]

Bart is a good name for him. Picked a good time to write his books. Like to have seen him debate some of his seniors lol. Like he says, he’s a jersey boy. There’s so many Bart’s and many many others like him out there these days! Yeh he has it all figured out ha ha. Arnold Murray God Bless his sole would have been a good debate yet he’s no longer on this side, yet I love him and his life is still in process. I might live long enough to see him come back. I went through so much of the same things and had the same questions exactly and as I said I love him very much! I have to lol the Devils are my team lol! Bests Regards, Bridgett and Howard

[@Indorm]

I have absolutely no doubt about the existence of the supernatural after experiencing two miracles which were both medically confirmed. You guys can laugh and mock all you want, after that my faith is unshakable. I would probably have been influenced by the mockers and have been an atheist myself if it weren't for that.

[@CorndogMaker]

Did you rule out super advanced aliens?

[@tedgrant2]

Which is more likely, That Popeye really has got a girlfriend named Olive Oyl Or that someone has been making up stories ?

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

You don't believe in olive oil?!

[@classicboxingandmma6770]

Erhman talks as though, we all know its fact that 500 people claim they saw Jesus, after he died, because it says so, in a book, written by believers. How do we know if that is even true? And he says that the apostles must have believed that they saw Jesus, and we know this because they were willing to be Martyred, we don't know this, we don't know if the apostles were martyred or not. Ehrman is not a serious scholar to me, but a cheerleader, for orthodoxy.

[@TheSymphonyOfScience]

You know nothing. Do some more research on him. He believe that the 500 that saw jesus was probably mass hallucination

[@nashj.3238]

Cheerleader for orthodoxy? Who are we talking about again?

[@kreeves344]

Some of you need to pay better attention

[@hopechurch8349]

Does this mean the book of Genesis is not true?

[@norswil8763]

Hope Church, we know Genesis is pure folklore. It’s 2019, I know theists don’t like to hear it but science has the truth, there’s no question... and unfortunately it’s at odds with the Christian/Hebrew account, not sciences fault all it does is observe and test, completely honest... compared to 2000 year old history, from the middle-east. Would you see a modern doctor with modern knowledge, or one that bases his work off of the bible’s understanding of medicine?

[@peteralleyman1388]

I would add some 65 more books to that.

[@anonymeadresse5364]

Anyone can name some of those Christians that don't believe in a literal resurection? I'd like to see what they believe instead...

[@Mountains8888]

They are called agnostics or Christians in name only. No practicing Christian believes the resurrection was not literal

[@thicky]

jehovahs witnesses are a christian sect that do not believe in libéral résurrection. and if im not mistaken so do the mormons of latter day saints they are called

[@kaarlimakela3413]

You have a new subscriber. 😊

[@unappreciatedtreehouse821]

Sam Harris is supernaturally boring. Get to the point or question if you have one Harris. Speed it up.

[@tazz6328]

The gods were the images they created

[@felixkubheka8258]

Also on Corinthians talks about day of judgement in letters of Paul that he says idolaters won't inherit the kingdom of God

[@unappreciatedtreehouse821]

Prof. Ehrman's answered gives no explanation of Christian logic here 1:13:00. Jesus's crucifixion is not human sacrifice to Christian reasoning, it is a means of capital punishment. No different than the electric chair, immolation, noose, lethal injection, guillotine or firing squad today. Punishment that humanity deserved but was suffered by Jesus on behalf of humanity. Christian teaching professes that every person deserves capital punishment because of their sins and that one sin is no different than another. Sam Harris let's his arrogance slip out just a bit here. Arrogance destroys the ability to persuade people. That's why he and especially people like Christopher Hitchens do not persuade anyone. They only piss off potential converts and excite their own cult following. Ehrman is very persuasive withoutut even trying simply because he does not project arrogance.

[@barkYdarkATFB]

Harris and Hitchens have been very instrumental in myriad deconversions of those honing their skepticism and critical thinking skills. Most everyone that has studied the Bible, Quran and other books, have somewhat differing opinions on what verses say. Especially among the 2000 different christian sects, denominations, church varieties and cults.

[@unappreciatedtreehouse821]

@Daniel Paulson No, not necessarily. You may be being reasoned with just as we are. You may or not be convinced or fully persuaded.

[@unappreciatedtreehouse821]

@@barkYdarkATFB Harris and Hitchens only appeal to those who are already on the way out of theology or are nonreligious to begin with and the militant leftists. Hitchens is great in a debate but I don't think he's very convincing because he comes off as an huge arrogant prick. Hitchens excites his cult of personality but not much else. I've not seen a lot of Harris honestly but what I have was pretty boring.

[@rainyfeathers9148]

Please don't say 'crack the whip, make 'em convert' you don't want to go there. Also, it's common knowledge the missionaries didn't have love in their hearts when they barged into Africa.

[@javierborda8684]

It might seem strange but Ehrman’s perspective helps affirm my faith.

[@tobiowen1865]

Your faith is

[@LesActive]

I don't think it's necessarily strange. Ehrman believes that a man named Jesus, who called himself a Messiah, existed. I can see that boosting your faith a notch or three. What is a little strange about your affirmation is that Ehrman also believes that Jesus and the apostles believed that the end times were nigh, and they weren't. So, Ehrman believes that Jesus was wrong on that count. That doesn't bother you?

[@cjtjets5941]

Faith = I don't know

[@beastshawnee4987]

Then you have some flawed thinking skills. Try harder to be logical💁🏽‍♀️

[@boeingdriver29]

Faith is vastly overrated.

[@willievanstraaten1960]

I liked this, but it is too much to absorb. Facts come very fast. Thanks

[@andybeans5790]

Get one of Bart's books, they expand a lot on what's being said here. Heaven and Hell is now out, it's really good.

[@ThePapawhisky]

Very interesting discussion. The view of an immediate heaven is dealt with well by the Crash Test Dummies in God Shuffles His Feet! Give it a listen.

[@thicky]

bart says mark and john conflict with the timing of jesus resurrection. but the bible isnt so much about these details. he should know thatits aboutie events. based on his assessment should we say that because cnn says we should wear mask and fox news says we shouldnt then we should say they conflict and therefore not authoratative to take seriously. actually the reasons why they are having the discussion is because something actually happened that warrants having to wear masks or not. the event is the most important thing not so much the détails as their can always be conflicting détails around an event. 9/11 is another one. some say it was government planned others say it was muslims. butthe fact is these discussions are based around an event and timing. this would also solidify that something actually happened to christ the central figure of the entire report by mark and john. either he died and rose again or he didnt. both confirm he did now the timings are a détail. i can accept the event happened. bart and sam cant in spite of the evidence

[@Vernoan3]

...yes, those news sources do conflict, and one is clearly wrong. Your analogy fails to back up your point, because there are not two different, corresponding ways to interpret the germ theory of disease.

[@Fred63205]

1:27:54 Where does it speak of a debate Paul lost to Peter? Galatians just says Peter is a hypocrite in the eyes of Paul and shit talks anyone who's still following Torah

[@atheistgenocideinthebible1102]

The biggest problem of Christianity is a LIE about “Jesus”, the Story no any point with Reality!!! And this is not a problem for a christian People!!! The Bible is a criminal Garbage!!!

[@franciscocepeda8416]

You sound like an atheist and yet a man whose last name was like yours or the pseudonime you are using actually agree atheists' argument is EMPTY

[@senorpoopEhead]

There is far more suffering in the world than there is sin.