What Is Epistemic Trust & What Happens When It’s Broken?

What Is Epistemic Trust & What Happens When It’s Broken? | Dr. Daniel Gaztambide

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Dr. Gaztambide explains epistemic trust on a personal and a social level, taking it from Attachment Theory and Mentalization all the way to political mistrust and the state of our polarized society.
Dr. Gaztambide is a therapist/clinician as well as an academic at the New School for Social Research, his work focusing on liberation psychology, critical race theory and decolonial perspectives on mental health.
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"Dr. Gaztambide’s scholarship centers on psychoanalysis and Liberation Psychology, race, class and culture in psychodynamic psychotherapy, Puerto Rican racial identity and colonialism, comparative approaches to psychoanalysis, psychotherapy integration, and the psychology of religion."
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@stoneneils 3 ай бұрын

Woah! That was a breakthrough moment for me at 1:45...its true...i never had someone who i knew was thinking about me. My parents even told me out of sight out of mind..they'd forget me places..miss my school/camp meetings...my career was ignored even. Now my BPD makes even more sense.

@DrMark7 9 ай бұрын

Thank you for posting this segment. Very clear and helpful. Not only pertinent to mental health, but also addresses the human condition.

@bluest1524 9 ай бұрын

Really good example about his time in France, and assumptions about the care he would receive. I like this doctor, hope to hear more from him. Thank you.

@paulcoyle3765 9 ай бұрын

Epistemic distrust may not be a good thing in personal relationships, but I think it is a wise attitude to adopt when dealing with politicians, particularly the ones who ask you to trust them.

@jewishgenes 9 ай бұрын

If one treats politics as a subject among many other subjects of life it allows one to study it as a subject and like everything else it is added to your bookshelf to reference.

@jewishgenes 9 ай бұрын

Dammit I was following him deeply until the ideology crept in and stole his intellect. Can you share the news network that shared that type of commentary on neighbors? That’s fucking unbelievable. I don’t feel divided. Do you? I decided not to feel that way and magically I don’t feel that way.

@lorenzrosenthal119 9 ай бұрын

4:00 there's even another mode: when bumping your head slightly the mother would come running and over-dramatically screaming "Are you okay???" and then give you a huge pile of pity and making a scene out of nothing "Awwww that must've heard! You poor little!". That also undermines many things including trust in her and yourself.

@JeremiahsMouth 8 ай бұрын

Really good content so far, but I only got just past 6:23 and went straight to the comments to see what people said...but they disappointed. 😂 Don't blame the chair! I don't want to hear it! 😂

@accordionSWE 9 ай бұрын

As a layman I got this mental picture that America was built by people from the Old World that were at odds with both their community and their families so they had to move overseas to survive.

@NoHurriesNoWorries 3 ай бұрын

How the heck did this become political? I just want to know how this relates to mental illness.

@3_m_1_7 9 ай бұрын

If experience has taught me anything, it's that other people cannot be trusted. But it's a bit of an over-generalisation of course. We're incentivised to compete at a systemic level, and school lends little to no relevance to morality and ethics. Only the law defines our limitations. Civility and respect cannot be legislated, so these virtues become omitted. At the end of the day, it's a cut-throat , everything-goes civil war with added monetary representation. I'm at a loss that we've settled for this, even as we're destroying the planet.

@DarkMoonWayfarer 4 ай бұрын

Interesting comment. I've come to the conclusion that capitalism is based on an incorrect observation of nature. There are many ideas that are accepted without question which causes blind spots. But the major flaw in thinking to me is the idea of survival of the fittest. Yes, the natural world can be brutal and this idea reflects a partial truth, but nature is also supportive and nurturing. Animals work together, even differing species work towards a common goal. Plants are the same, it's not all competition for resources. In forests, plants can share nutrients with one another through the underground mycelium network. Plants send distress signals when under attack which creates responses from other plants and certain insects. Capitalism at it's core is every man for himself. It's survival of the fittest. It does not work in its current form but try and bring that up with anyone and you will be a communist....perhaps we haven't yet discovered a system that would work better? Capitalism benefits psychopaths who will do whatever it takes to get to the top. It turns people into self centred narcissists. I cannot see people moving away from this system, it has too much momentum and there's too much denial and avoidance of looking at real issues. I think that the system will eat itself. It's basically a pyramid funneling energy upwards while eroding the stability of its base. Modern civilization is powered by fossil fuels and we are acting like there's an infinite supply. What kind of people build a way of life based on a finite resource that took millions of years to form and burn through most of it in a century or so? It's literally insane behaviour. If we were smart we would have used that limited energy wisely and created a sustainable way of life. I think of it a bit like yeast during the fermentation process when making beer. There's a lot of activity when the sugars are present and once those sugars are all consumed, the yeast sinks to the bottom. Oil and coal are our sugars and the result has been hyperactivity for the last couple of hundred years. This is temporary and things will slow down and in many cases come to a screeching halt. The world will seem like a bigger place again and we will have to return to some basic ways of living.

@3_m_1_7 4 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer Thank you. Yes I've even made the same point and observation in regards to the failure to imitate natural selection in capitalist ideology. For those of us who happen to be well-acquainted with nature, be it directly through our livelihood as farmers and landscapers or professionally as biologists or in related fields, it is just blatantly wrong to conceive of survival of the fittest as competition within a pyramid structure. Human beings invented the pyramids thousands of years ago out of primitive psychology and lack of self-understanding. The fittest in nature coexist in innumerable symbiotic ways simultaneously, flying entirely in the face of this misconceptualised and distorted version of survival of the fittest which even Darwin at his time rebutted and considered nonsensical. It literally went into the pseudoscience bin several hundred years ago. He would writhe in his grave to learn we ended up using HIS NAME in 'Darwinism' to justify capitalism and smear and distort his scientific contributions. The bastardised version of "survival of the fittest" in reality generates offspring with mental illness, undermines the exact virtues that made human beings strong in community, destroys the environment and our own habitat and makes us, the land and the animals sick. It is the inverse of fitness - decrepitness, fragility, feebleness, weakness and disease.

@mvpmikey 5 ай бұрын

I understood nothing, lol. I'm so dumb.

@aryelleweeks3413 7 ай бұрын

God I wish I could see Charlotte see him or Dr. Porr..

@karlijnlike4lane 9 ай бұрын

interesting - yr taking the route of disordered cultural/political/systemic "attachment." 3:45 ice cream. as if. but if you split yr head open - or even if you are simply *in a lot of pain,*: - maybe they didn't see the details of what happened and therefore don't understand or believe that your pain & need for comfort is as great as your upset seems to them to indicate; or maybe, as a caregiver, they simply don't have the care to give, or ability to respond, or mental space for the needs of a dependent, and *need you to be willing to walk it off* in order to protect themselves from pressures & demands they can't tolerate - and they see you in a lot of pain but deny comfort, "there's nothing wrong with you," you are not in a position to choose whether or not to trust what the caregiver is saying! you don't have a frame of reference yet! you don't know any better than what you're told, by someone you have no choice but to trust! so what you learn is "oh having this amount of pain is somehow *normal* - or, at least, it doesn't warrant comforting or care from the person in control of my world [i.e. IRL, they can't or don't want to] - & therefore to seek care or comfort for pain, no matter how severe or confusing, is to invite rejection." & this is how you get people who would rather suffer and "deal with it" than confront and struggle with a health careless system, and all other systems, that actually *is* biased against the subjective experience of pain & triggers that insecure attachment.

@fatymah1138 4 ай бұрын

this is valid also

@kristinmeyer489 9 ай бұрын

5:19 ...OR, BECAUSE OF YOUR LONG-TERM TARGETING...

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

I don't think the France example was a suitable example for epistemic trust...as upon return he went straight to the U.S. dr. and would have gone straight to the U.S. emergency room with the same injury...regardless of the bills that would have come in. I understand epistemic trust but this example seemed to prove the opposite of the U.S. dr. care. Here, in U.S. we get care immediately and then pay (or don't pay) later. We also get to choose our care (and either pay through the roof or not but we know this going into receiving care...we get the care and then deal with the aftermath on the backend). I know people who needed care and were guided by their health coverage to choose less than the best dr's (given the outcome of their choice) - but it was still their choice. The concept didn't need more than the example of the appropriate care example from caretaker to child...and more of those examples should have been given. I enjoy the concept of epistemic trust and it is important to know this, very helpful, in the dissecting of mentally ill /compromised caregivers. This helps with labeling deficiencies in caregiving and putting ill-caregiving/caregivers in its/the place of just that - deficient caregiving.

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer i know well about the care in other countries which is why France, as the example gives, would have been an opportunity for care without cost rather than what is said in this video…again upon return to US he went straight to US doctor (regardless of cost). There is a “conflation” in the explanation. Uninformed and unprepared on rules of non-home country. No one is denied care at any hospital no matter the country.

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer and yet as soon as he went home to USA he went to doctor and no mention of medical bill. Get it? That example has to do with being uninformed, not epistemic trust. One can argue not being informed as being a part of epistemic trust but its a stretch from the actual concept. Another choice would be when in another country with need of emergency care (or even USA), is walk into emergency room with no ID and give a false name, address, etc…you’ll still get care. No fear. Either you fear for your actual life or you fear bills. He chose bills - sounds like he was young at the time and in an alien country and not informed of the country rules - which is first rule of going to foreign country - know the rules. The whole world knows of the rules of healthcare in USA - people still get care (and may or may not be hit with bills - and may or may not actually pay those bills themselves in the long run). His example gives more insight into how he was raised to have the belief he had - not all people make the same decision he did even given same cultural environment. It goes back to the caregiver not the society/country surrounding the individual. Again, sounds like he was uninformed and I stand by what i say in the context of the topic of the video.

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer i speak on the example of epistemic trust. The example he gives in the video is “spun” in the direction of placing blame on gov’t for shaping fear/perspective not caregiver…no mention of parental figure caregiver for that example…and thats where the epistemic trust is created. Whatever else you are mentioning is another issue…nearby but has its own distinction. 🎤⬇️

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer you’re missing the point of the topic of the video, the context of the borderliner notes channel, and that the information on the channel is to assist people with mental disorders (which includes disorders of perception). His experience in the United States is that he was not hit by a large medical bill ever and always had health coverage, which is why he went straight to the doctor when he came back to the United States. Again, his explanation of the example he gave does not illustrates how epistemic trust led him to make the choice he made.

@RockstarSissy 9 ай бұрын

@@DarkMoonWayfarer exactly

@LOVEisTHEultimateLAW 9 ай бұрын

🎯Who put great thrust will be greatly deceived.

@Fischer67 4 ай бұрын

"Epistemic Trust" sounds a bit like a "white mold".

@jewishgenes 9 ай бұрын

I welcome anyone being oppressed by race to come over to the US! We welcome you.

@user-ls9jk8jd5n 2 ай бұрын

Or Israel. You could always go there. They're very liberal.

@sdkfz2519 3 ай бұрын

This "Dr." is so polarizing, political, and biased that I stopped watching the video halfway. For God's sake this channel is a psychology channel for BPD, not a woke. Identity politics and revolutionary ideology class!

@paulitoLdn 5 күн бұрын

Bless you. I wish you healing on your journey. Your response screams the fragility that comes from never having needed to consider any other perspective or experience other than your own.

@jewishgenes 9 ай бұрын

@karenhathaway1631 9 ай бұрын

Why did he not just google it? Or check with somebody (Hotel/hostel reception) or call his vacation insurance company. I feel that was not a good example, that just smacks of a dumb move.

@paulcoyle3765 9 ай бұрын

We don't know when this was. Perhaps it was in an age before google existed, hard as that may be to imagine now. And it may also be possible he didn't have holiday insurance.

@stoneneils 3 ай бұрын

I'm pro mask and vaccine but still...the irony of talking about trust while wearing a mask is just too funny.

@user-ju7ze9to4k Ай бұрын

Post modern neo liberal gibberish enough already please

@philwohlrab7588 12 күн бұрын

The Federal Government spends more on Healthcare than France. So it's not a spending issue. We have to ask where the money is going. And um.. this guy saw a US doctor. How is he not now bankrupt?

@theelderskatesman4417 10 күн бұрын

What is the satisfaction you gain from attacking things you don't understand? (your symptom is showing)