What is Happening in Star Wars With These Two Civilizations?!

[@BluhmGardens]

​ @StarWarsFanatic I was re-watching the Ahsoka series and something caught my ear. When the Great Mothers come to tell Thrawn about Ahsoka coming with the Purgil, they tell him "Another comes. A Jedi, they ride the Travelers". The "Travelers" is also one of the names given to the Zeffo.... Could it be that the Zeffo evolved into the Purgil? 🤔 I'm sure it's just a recycling of the term. For a while now I've thought the Purgil could be what's left of the Celestials.

[@1977rodi]

Excellent as always

[@BluhmGardens]

You mentioned around 5:40 that the Nightsisters fled Dathomir to Peridea, but there is nothing saying that at all in lore. In fact, Morgan clearly states 6:40 into Ahsoka S1E6 that Peridea is quote, "The ancient homeworld of my ancestors, the Dathomiri". This is why I stated the other day that Mother Talsin was most-likely the actual maternal "Eve" to every Nightsister that ever lived on Dathomir. And probably is the person who named the planet after her people, not the other way around as people assume. Did you get a chance to watch SW Meg's video I recommended yet? She's the only one I saw cover the translation of that Nightsister Prophecy" I mentioned.

[@TheOuterRim_G]

Yeah, I meant to say she left Peridia for Dathomir but said it backwards. My apologies. Can you send me the link again?

[@BluhmGardens]

My prediction is that the Dathomiri are the race of beings that Abeloth came from, and it was from the teachings of the Zeffo that they discovered in Kujet's Temple that they learned of the main galaxy. The spherical map is most likely a Zeffo artifact that they brought with them to Peridea, and the "3 who journeyed" mentioned in the Nightsister prophecy were the ones who brought the map bacvk to the main galaxy.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@TheOuterRim_G Every time I try to post the link here, YT erases the post. You'll have to go to her page and scroll through her vids until you find one titled, "OMG! SECRET HIDDEN MESSAGE IN AHSOKA...", from 3 weeks ago.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@TheOuterRim_G could be you defaulted back to the Legends lore of the Nightsisters.. 😉 But even then, their ancient lore was tied into the Daughter and Son, who's avatars were their Gods. Definitely looking forward to see how deep Dave ties the Zeffo, the Ones, the Dathomiri, and Peridea all together in a nice bow for us. I hope I'm right about Abeloth being the "First Mother" of the Nightsister Empire, and that their magic is tied to her Chaos instead of the Force. The Force, whether Light or Dark, is just a representation of Order. Abeloth is the Mother of Chaos, so it would make sense that their magic comes from her.

[@BluhmGardens]

My guess as to the Zeffo connection is that followers of Kujet were called to Peridea the same way Baylan was. By Abeloth.

[@Ragnorok657]

My guess is that these 2 races helped seal abeloth away a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

[@BluhmGardens]

The Legends lore from the book series that Abeloth is introduced, it was the Son and Daughter that imprisoned Abeloth. The Ones fled, and then the children went back to imprison her. How I believe Filoni is going to canonize Abeloth is that when the Son and Daughter were killed in TCW, that their deaths caused Abeloth's prison to begin weakening. And that Ahsoka will have to become the new Daughter, while Baylan becomes the new Son, so they can work together to defeat Abeloth, or imprison her once again.

[@gmarshall1942]

My question is, when are we going to see the jedi crew in live action?

[@jarack3256]

Just because this thing looks like it came from that species, does not make it so. It could very well be something from any number of now extinct species. Yet, the temple Baylon Skoll was looking at, at the end, was clearly connected to the Father, Son, Daughter, and Mother(Abeloth), or The Ones. This is more a Mortis connection than a Zeffo connection. Which this plays back into the Clone Wars, where Anakin, Ahsoka, and Obi-won had to deal with them.

[@TheOuterRim_G]

The writings on Thrawn’s temple were Zeffo. Yes, the end was the ones. So, all three may be connected somehow.

[@jarack3256]

@@TheOuterRim_G This is possible. I'm just not locking myself into the, "It Is, simply because it looks like this." area. Since there are a lot of ancient species that could easily rival the Zeffo and Nightsisters. For example, the Celestials and their followers. Before the Celestials disappeared. So there are options other than the Zeffo here. As far as the writings. As we know from modern linguistics. There can be two or more writing styles that resemble each other, yet are completely different. So basing it on "It looks like Zeffo writing." is a folly at best.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@jarack3256 It's not the Zeffo glyphs on he Temple that "prove" it's a Zeffo Temple. I actually went down a rabbit hole attempting to translate the glyphs in Ahsoka from the known translations from the games, and they are NOT the same glyphs. You are correct, they are just similar. It's the Ur-kittat carvings on the same temple that "prove" it was originally a Zeffo Temple, specifically for Kujet, the Zeffo buried on Dathomir in the game. The Ur-kittat translates to, "(P)raise Kujet, Ruler of all! May his reign last for al...", and that's where it cuts off. That, coupled with the Zeffo-like glyphs is why people believe it's was originally a Zeffo Temple before the Nightsisters took it over.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@jarack3256 I do have to say, you presented your argument very well. That is refreshing to see online. 👍 I'll add this too. You can clearly see a difference in architectural design of the Temple, and the 3 massive Nightsister statues we see as Morgan, Baylan, and Sabine fly down for the first time. It is also a different design than the ruins on Arcana where Ahsoka finds the map, or the ruins on Seatos where they all leave the main galaxy from. The closest architectural design we see to the Temple on Peridea is the Sith Temple on Malachor 5 in Rebels. I have a theory about there being specific Jedi/Sith Temples that they themselves did not build, but were built by others to worship the Ones. Explaining why the Jedi Temple on Lothal, the Sith Temple on Malachor 5, and the ancient Sith Temple below the Jedi Temple on Coruscant all have doorways to the World between Worlds. If you look close in the Rebels WBW episode, you can see one more main gate to a an unknown planet. This may be the one that Ahsoka will use to get them back to the main galaxy. If you're interested in seeing the gate I mentioned, let me know and I'll post the time-stamp for the episode.

[@jarack3256]

@@BluhmGardens I can agree with a theory like that. There is the legend that the Jedi came from the Je'daii. Which was started by the temple/starship things I can't remember the name of, that went around collecting force sensitives. And before they split, the Je'daii studied both the light and dark sides of the force. This ties back into where the Jedi and Sith came from. Which I don't think we've ever gotten a canon explanation for. And with the World between Worlds and the gates. The gate might be correct. Since we've seen it before in the Clone Wars. With the Je'daii part there, the temple could have been one of said temple/starship. Where the Dathomeri learned both the light and dark sides of the force in their own way. There are mentions of such in some of the lore. Since Peridia is the Dathomeri witches home world, and both the force and Dathomeri magic exist in the Star Wars galaxy. It becomes some food for thought.

[@KJC04]

Wonder what the endgame is with the Zeffo? I know they were corrupted by the darkside, I wonder if we'll ever see a Zeffo sith lord?

[@TheOuterRim_G]

That would be so cool to see.

[@BluhmGardens]

I'd assume the Zeffo as a species were long gone before the Sith Order ever existed, but I'd be willing to say that even the weakest Zeffo darksider would be infinitely stronger in the Force than any Sith that ever existed.

[@joruscbaoth1192]

As with anything Kathleen Kennedy touches, it turns to toilet sludge. Disney should fire all of them. I'll never watch there garbage again. I have a blueprint book I bought at the theater the opening day of the first film. Star Wars - A New Hope 1977. It didn't have episode numbers then. Big fan. Of George Lucas Star Wars.

[@TheOuterRim_G]

Well, the nightsisters go all the way back to legends and the Zeffo are from a video game.

[@joruscbaoth1192]

@@TheOuterRim_G That's another pet perv of mine. Including cartoons and games into the storyline. With the existing material and the novels brought to the motion picture scene, they would have material for 50 years that actually fits together. We get to see Han, Leia and Luke's kids grow and become Jedi. Eh, I'm venting. Sorry. I'm done with Star Wars. I'll watch Andor, but that's it. They got Mando's down like a bunch of wussies. They needed a mini yoda to appeal to children. (which should be it's main demographic.

[@TheOuterRim_G]

They used the Knights of the Old Republic games to include in stories. George Lucas included Darth Bane.

[@BluhmGardens]

@@joruscbaoth1192 If you are done with Star Wars, why are you watching a channel about Star Wars and commenting about Star Wars? You may have a problem with cartoons, but George Lucas did NOT. Nor did he have a problem with video games. What he DID have a problem with was people (like you) acting as if the Expanded Universe was part of HIS Star Wars. So according to Lucas himself, The Clone Wars cartoon you hate so much is more Star Wars than ANY "Legends" material ever was... You mention Luke's kids, but George HATED the idea of Luke getting married and having children, and hated the whole idea of Mara Jade. And btw, you're obviously not a "big fan" of George Lucas Star Wars if you completely reject the Clone Wars animated series. It set down more lore than all the canon movies and canon books combined. George made 6 movies, all averaging around 2 hours each. That's 12-13 hours of live-action Star Wars that George produced. The Clone Wars movie, and Seasons 1-6 (what was made by George) are around 44.5 hours of animated Star Wars content. Just over 49 hours if you include Season 7 that Disney made. TCW by itself is four times as many hours of SW content than George's live-action productions, and that's not counting the Rebels series (26 hours), or the Bad Batch series (16.5 hours). That's 91.5 hours of animated lore-building that you refuse to watch because you think cartoons shouldn't be included in the storyline. Newsflash buddy, there is considerably more animated hours of Star Wars content than there is live-action Star Wars content. All you're doing by rejecting it is rejecting George Lucas...

[@joruscbaoth1192]

@@BluhmGardens I didn't watch it. Just saw the title.

[@ryszardgrzegorzkotkiewic-ol3dn]

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