😲 What is happening to TRADING in ESO's next update: Gold Road [Update 42]

[@WyndStryke]

Not bothered about store items expiring after 14 days, but the 14 day expiry on mail concerns me more. Pity they can't just be dropped into inventory or something like that.

[@Hippo_27]

gold should be auto-deposited in the player's bank. thats how it works for guilds, why not personal player banks?

[@isidroramos1073]

I can't agree more. I see no great problem in listings expiring earlier, but... mail expiring in 14 days? That's way too short, I have often been away from my console longer than that for work reasons.

[@BrotherAzrael]

@@Hippo_27 yo but then the Courier dude will lose his job

[@WyndStryke]

@BattleHookTV Not sure if this would be a good idea or a bad idea, but you could try flooding them with COD emails to fill up their inbox. However my concern with doing that is if ZOS says it is against the TOS for some reason. Would be good to have a 'sent items' folder, and be able to recall unclaimed COD emails at any time.

[@annekristiina7503]

I have absolutely zero inventory space for anything to be dropped in to! Plus how would the game know which characters inventory to drop anything to?

[@traybake1]

i have not been doing my homework on upcoming changes so this was really helpful, thanks Arttea :)

[@Arttea]

No problem :D

[@mrploxykun]

Oh thank MaMommyGodAzura, someone explaining all these changes in a single bite-sized 6 minute vid. Much Confusion Saved ~❤

[@Arttea]

I'm glad to hear that this vid was helpful!

[@LaNiBlackLight]

My personal issue with that change, is that currently im in a military service, so I have sometimes unexpected abscences from the game, and while some can be just about a day, it also can go up a month or more. So it basically unsafe for me to sell my stuff anymore. Now imagine people with harder jobs, that all they want is to chill after work-day in game sometimes

[@slay7584]

I mean, I get your point of view, but I feel like the game really doesn't have to revolve around the few people with jobs like yours, it's quite obvious they will prefer catering to the majority

[@dchernov96]

Thank you for service! I agree, was absent for more than a month from civilisation and when returned a lot of my listings were deleted, for me, even 30 day timer was not enough in that case. This is a predatory mechanic to get you log in as often as possible. Though it may not be a problem when you have a routine, but for some people it makes harder to enjoy elder scrolls universe.

[@Random_Banshee]

​@@slay7584 Nonsense, anyone that doesn't have video games as their only hobby, and specifically ESO among those, will have away times far longer than that. Life happens for everyone and when people are short on time, time-consuming entertainment stuff usually gets put on hold first.

[@edwardoverholt1943]

As a person who primarily specializes in high value, low volume items; I despise the change to the guild store listing length

[@lordsuji]

If the ESO community didnt make trade in chat such a taboo I dont think that would be as much of an issue. Avoiding tax's on items worth millions via chat trades is also very alluring and a lot more worth it than all the various smaller listings. Players seeking niche very expensive items could easily focus that directly at chat trades.

[@Jassihil407]

I just hope I will see this "server performance" out of this update

[@kn1ne]

While it won’t impact me (I generally re-list even rare items after a week as the FOMO is higher on newly listed items) this sucks for more casual traders. As for what this means for the economy, I honestly can’t tell if this will drive down prices with people trying for a faster sale or drive them up because less people are listing on traders.

[@crystallinecrow3365]

I'm less concerned abt how this will impact my trading (as my personal experience matches the data cited by the devs) and way more concerned abt how this will impact me using my friends to abuse the mail system on behalf of my treasure map addiction 🥲🥲 stackable treasure maps when?? 😭😭

[@Arttea]

Haha yeah that will definitely affect me as well, as I also like to use the mail system to hang onto items 😅 Stackable maps would be a dream 🙏

[@lordsuji]

Just cleared out my mass of maps, excluding all the ones I gave away from the excess. And it reconfirmed that its not worth. Like, just going and farming chests in a zone is far more profitable and fast and I can choose the higher reward zones to do so in. (If I wanted to treasure hunt, instead of the even better ways to make gold) I think ill just give away every map which isnt worth 5k-100k from now on.

[@leeprosser4682]

This is just punishing people for going on vacation and not taking a gaming laptop with them. Now, instead of loading up all my traders before I go, I’ll be clearing the whole lot out

[@NeroLung]

Imagine those on console😂 that’s me 😪

[@lordsuji]

Hey, a positive to take away from this issue for you. Is that I have never been able to take vacations in my entire adult life which would make this a problem for me. xD Your problems seems better than mine even though ill be here to get my mail every day. LOL

[@NeroLung]

@@lordsuji how old are you dude, vacation is a must nowadays

[@lordsuji]

@@NeroLung been working since I was 15, and im 35 now. Its been a long 20 years bruh lol

[@NeroLung]

@@lordsuji shit man, that’s life right 😂 work to pay taxes then die😂😂 we gotta break the pattern

[@Jamesssssssssssssss]

That's really interesting, wonder why listings and mail would take up that much more power if listed for half the time. I have yet to touch the trading system since I just play every once in a while and am focusing on doing the content in order.

[@lordsuji]

Well, its literally half. So whatever the data upkeep it is currently, will be halved from all the people who leave items and mail listed nearly the full 30 all the time. Its thousands and thousands of bits of data for the server to track, as small of space each one takes up. It adds up.

[@jamesfrederick8007]

I love your videos, thank you for all the info you provide.

[@Arttea]

Yeah no problemo! Thanks for watching

[@davidk.98]

This change will affect the "bad" trader spots more than the good ones. In Craglorn, Deshan and co. Items already sell realy fast, while i sometimes have to list my item twice at a 25% TTC/MM discount in for example murkmire. We will probably see even more traders and guilds compete for the top spots than we see now which is not necessary a good thing.

[@vendettaworm6185]

Totally agree. This change will hurt the off locations, up the price to stay in a good location, and cost us more gold to list items as things will expire faster. We need one trader location so we can all list and compare there. Other games can do this so why not eso?

[@lordsuji]

@@vendettaworm6185 There are massive negatives with central trade systems, not just positives. I think it really comes down to gameplay perspective, like if you dont LOVE trading and seeking out good deals and the mad dash/competitive thrifting type of play. Then I totally see why a central market would only seem like a positive. But for those of us who do enjoy those mechanics, I realllyyy appreciate ESO not just being another copy cat simplified clone. And I think they should just keep adding more traders at a higher rate than they have. A middle-ground they could land on too, but I dont know if they ever will. IS they could make all the traders in a shared location, share a search pool. So if you go to Mournhold and search the main Hub trader, or maybe turn on an option to do so. It would access all the items listed on every trader within that towns proximity. Or maybe the whole zone.

[@Shenvalleyboi]

@@vendettaworm6185 True that. I'd rather ESO just use a universal market board or something. I have grown to hate the ridiculously obsolete guild trader system, and just don't bother using it anymore. It makes Guilds super toxic, or you have to basically devote a hefty amount of time you could spend gaming, farming crap to quick sell in order to make expensive dues, rather than playing the game for fun. I don't work over 40 hours a week just so I can play a game that makes me feel like I'm still on the clock. Both of these things have in the past caused me to quit playing ESO for months. So far I've had to quit five trade guilds, and three non trade guilds that wanted a guild trader all of a sudden, all because they became extremely toxic with guildmasters flaming the Message of the Day with passive aggressive, and some not so passive aggressive, vitriol because some people in the guild aren't managing to pay 100,000 gold a week for a good trader spot. Only the best guilds get the good spots, and every other guild gets crap in locations no one ever goes to, because they are too isolated, or inconvenient to go to. Trading should not be tied to guilds. Guilds can't even be fun anymore, because everyone wants a guild trader, can't afford a guild trader, and then gets toxic. And there's no consistency if you're not in one of the expensive major trading guilds, because you're guild trader just bounces around from convenient location, to inconvenient location, to no trader at all for a week, and now with your items vanishing in 14 days, it'll be even worse, because your guild could lose their trade location, or trader entirely for one to two weeks, due to lack of funding, and you're just going to be SOL. The Guild trader system is probably the only thing I truly hate about ESO, and it's never made sense. Pretty much every other Massive MMO has an actual trading system, that doesn't revolve around tying people into guilds, and unreliable trade options. They don't waste time with a mail system either. You trade, you get your item, and your gold, and done, none of this I bought something, and now I got to wait for it to show up in the mail after I hop a wayshrine to get the mail to load, then open the mail and hassle hassle, waste of time. Sorry. That got a little ranty.

[@druidicquest]

I just opened KZbin and saw a bunch of ESO youtubers talking about the same topic "Trading in ESO," but obviously I chose yours because you are the funniest ESO content KZbinr I've ever seen! Keep the excellent work and humor! You're definitely highlighting yourself among the others! :D

[@Arttea]

I appreciate that - thank you 🙏

[@griffinsdad9820]

If this improves performance this is a trade-off i can deal with but the vaporizing mail bit seems steep.

[@bryanmoyna9715]

Increases the stress on inventory management in a game with paid inventories, proceeds to not increase inventory limit to compensate for this downside. Lovely.

[@luminouseclipse8899]

I was unaware of this. Thank you very much for keeping us informed.

[@janschulte8434]

If the majority of items are sold within a week how can the fraction of items that stay longer be such a burden for the server performance? 🤔

[@Arttea]

I'm not one of the devs ofc, but my understanding of that statement is that there isn't necessarily a tiny fraction of items that are sticking around on the guild traders for so long and that this small amount of items is what is nuking performance, but rather that out of ALL of the items that are listed, most of the ones that WILL ACTUALLY BE SOLD, tend to sell within a week. So there are still "a lot" of listings just chilling out there for items that are not going to sell; if that makes sense,

[@isidroramos1073]

@@Arttea I can see the reasoning in that but at least in my experience highest value items are the ones taking longer to sell, probably because there are far less buyers for them.

[@Arttea]

@@isidroramos1073 that’s true, but there are also *a lot* of listings for items that happen to be priced poorly (as in, they’re priced too high for what they’re really worth) as well as listings for items that just aren’t desired (search for all items and then adjust the “time” setting so that you are shown items that are expiring soon to see what I mean) and that’s probably what the devs are looking to sort out to alleviate strain.

[@DeryckTV]

Wait and see ESO plus gonna have new perk of "Listing item now last for 30 days" and mail too lol

[@Arttea]

@@DeryckTV don't give them any ideas

[@TheHUEZOX]

Interesting, I wonder how much the "improvements in server performance" will benefit players... You know... To justify this change. I sure hope to have a way smoother playing experience after the patch... Or something, dunno

[@cracmar03]

Probably less laggy mail that you need to teleport to force to be delivered, the ghost mails bug or the mail stuck in limbo ones. Or 'I will load whenever I want this mail for you to claim/read it' issue.

[@drackar]

It's telling, to me, what this tells us about the Devs for this game. Specifically, that they don't actually play, or at least don't play enough to fully engage with the systems they are modifying. As is commonly discussed, high value low volume items take a while to shift, but also? Smaller guilds also have less exposure and often take longer to sell the same items, even at lower mark downs. I'm in a couple of middle of the road reasonably well placed guilds, but my main social guild tends to have a trader in a more remote area. Items placed in that remote trader for 20% less than the same item in the more popular locations can take significantly longer to move. I've had stacks of gold mats sell on week three, before, in those remote traders, just as an example. I've had hundreds of thousands of gold from listings sitting in the 20-29 day range. Millions, over the time I've played this game.

[@NighDarke]

I'm in 5 trading guilds and I keep all my slots filled and I can tell you if something doesn't sell by 7 days it's not going to because others have listed it lower and I need to take it down and relist it. So this 14 day thing isn't that big of a deal. What bothers me about it is it's gonna cost the same to list so if they're gonna halve the time the listing will be up they need to halve the listing fee. As for people who take frequent breaks from the game or their jobs interfere, just pull your listings down and gather your mail before you have to go out of the game for a bit.

[@edwardoverholt1943]

As someone who’s sold hundreds of millions of gold worth of stuff in eso; this does not match my experience with the specialized furnishing, motifs and rgold gear I make most of my gold with

[@tombair63]

Thanks for this update. I don't think I'm going to change anything except possibly lowering the price of any ultra rare things I find a bit...but that's .01% of what I sell. Even the expensive things I sell seem to be gone in 14 days but I try to be aggressive in my pricing.

[@Basketballfan423]

First time watching one of your videos in a few years. Hope all is well

[@SamGrey]

Makes me wish listing fees were proportionally changed based on the days listed… oh well 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Frederik_uk]

What's the reason the items can't just automatically go into some kind of inventory?

[@03adrian88]

The gold from sales should automatically go into your inventory!

[@sk8legendz]

If having items listed for 30 days is causing server performance issues. How's adding a scribing system going to help? How is adding anything of that nature going to help? It's like they keep saying we need to clear all the junk out of the house and for every box of junk they take out they bring in three more And then they wonder why nothing changes

[@Arttea]

I was thinking about something similar myself - I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic so take what I say with a grain of salt, but perhaps they are making these adjustments to improve performance in light of the introduction of the new scribing system. Perhaps these adjustments are needed so that scribing can work more smoothly when it is available in the next update.

[@sk8legendz]

@Arttea honestly that was sort of my thought. They basically triage data to make way for new systems like scribing.

[@nickp1167]

I’m so happy I wasn’t the only person thinking this. But all knowing ZoS knows how they’re going to “manage” the servers. Just like they know seemingly meaningless names are defaming. I had two I was forced to rename(yup I’m still salty about that). I didn’t know Fixthebrokengame and Fixmygame was defaming if it’s true. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@sk8legendz]

@@nickp1167 not defamation if the accusations are true 🤣. I've got a montage of performance issues in my clips right now

[@bouncingczechs]

Welp my extra storage space is ruined! This will also be very annoying since I mainly sell furnishing plans and rare motifs as well as crafted gear. Thanks for the heads up on this, I don't bother with the PTS and instead just get update info from your channel. Time to bug my rl friend who never plays to just hop on and use his characters as a mule for all my motifs and furnishing plans I want to sell in the future so I have room in bank and storage chests for all my gear sets that I switch between on all my toons!

[@cgsweat]

I never understood the trading system. Are there dozens (or hundreds) of different guild trade stores each with their own unique set of sales, or is there one server-wide market like any other MMO and these different guild traders are just hubs to get to the same market?

[@Arttea]

Have you seen those little market stalls around the world with NPCs that have "" above their heads? Those are known as guild traders, and they are purchased on a weekly basis (via a blind bidding system) by guilds so that players can access their guild's store. As you mentioned, there are hundreds of trading guilds with their own guild stores that are unique to their guild. We don't have a single place where we can access a server-wide market; instead, we have to go up to different guild traders to browse the wares listed by members of the guild who purchased the trader. So, for example, if I went to the Tamriel Trade Secrets guild trader in Alinor, I would only have access to the TTS guild store, which would be populated by items from TTS guildies. I would not have access to any other guild's store at that trader.

[@cgsweat]

@@Arttea Ok that makes more sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain!

[@BLVCKSCORP]

You really made me look up the price for quartz....

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

I love how they are willing to do anything in their power to increase the server performance, except the one thing that would actually help

[@Arttea]

What do you think would be the one thing that could actually help server performance?

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

@@Arttea To improve the servers, but that would cost money. This is why they made all those changes to cyr too a while back, then they realised it doesn't help so they decided to take them back

[@akasha167]

@@user-me7iw6ft8z No it won't, doing that will delay the need to optimize things. Optimization give better results than upgrading the hardware.

[@TatewakiGaming]

@@user-me7iw6ft8zDidn’t they just do server hardware upgrades in 2022-23?

[@user-me7iw6ft8z]

@@TatewakiGaming I don't think that was enough

[@nodders6830]

Is the listing fee halved because if not that's crap . Imagine the Fees you have to pay on one of those huge ticket items , now costing you twice as much to list in the same time .

[@queenboss7]

The other mail changes are mostly fine but big downgrade for the sales specifically. I don't sell mats, so many of my sales are well past 14 days. It's not gonna be fun still having to pay trader fees and having to relist items twice as often :( (for instance I pay 10k + 25k a week in console coins for my 2 traders) It's just gonna lead to more and more undercutting and less gold made. And another thing to micromanage along with the scribing grind. Ty for the info, I will share the video with my not as chronically on the forums and KZbin friends 🙏

[@amandanash7918]

I feel like this has to do more with hoarding..when I run out space i start RTS mailing things between acts and listing things in traders at questionable prices just to have a place to stash things..its a vicious cycle buying/ making/earning things I know I don't have the room for but it my precious and I wants it.

[@pwnyboy01]

Great video! I think you may be wrong about the conspiracies though. Why spend the time developing a compelling gold sync when I can just push this one button?

[@Mercerplays]

They can remove a whole bunch of stuff to increase server performance but this is a HUGE start to my abilities actually triggering

[@EllionGrey]

I’m hoping that they will eventually get rid of guild traders and just give us a market board.

[@Isekai_no_Yume]

Yo... random, I know. But I just realized her character is a Bosmer! 🤦🏾‍♂️ Shout out to the useful content tho! 😂😂😂

[@ssmith1352]

They need to cut down the listing fee and taxes for this change.

[@Arttea]

That would be very based if true, but my guess is it's not gonna happen because the listing fee gold sink is important for the health of the economy bla bla bla ;p The taxes don't necessarily need to be cut because that comes into effect after you sell something.

[@Melsharpe95]

WoW auctions have always been maximum one week and nobody blew their top. As for keeping items in the mail: It was never supposed to be used as free storage. We traders will adapt.

[@Dezizz]

ty for vid i had no idea but havent traded for a while. def agree with the idea this may lower prices by creating higher competition and pressure. sucks having to pay relisting fee but if its a high price item would pay off. anyone who isnt actively playing shouldnt be posting to a trader. most guilds kick u after no activity for a few weeks anyway

[@dsinc36]

My question is, what are they going to say when the servers still suck after they make all these changes?

[@cracmar03]

I don't even know grander scale of things. But main system was performing horrendously for years by now. So I am not surprised they FINALLY decided to make changes to sort this out. I also don't know why youtuber didn't mentioned they are finally moving hireling letters to lorebooks section to preserve them.

[@redditlegacy]

maybe they should lower listing fees by a percent or two.

[@Arttea]

I definitely wouldn't be opposed to having them decrease the listing fees by 50% given the fact that we have less than half of the amount of days that we used to have to sell an item, but at the same time, the guild store system contains one of the most significant gold sinks in the game, which is widely seen as being healthy for the state of the in-game economy. So the devs may not want to mess with that too much.

[@drackar]

It should be 53%. If they are lowering the listing time by 53%, they need to lower the cost by 53%.

[@Scuuurbs]

The only way I can see the AH changes reducing strain on the database, is for it to have a chilling effect on players' desire to list items. Otherwise, everyone would still be listing the same stuff, just twice as often. Personally it won't affect me much, but I feel bad for the long sale listings & the remote guild traders. The mail change, however... whoo boy, that will absolutely ease the strain. I know so many people who use their mailbox as a makeshift storage system. One of my guildmates didn't check their mail during the recent Mayhem event. They literally had *hundreds* of Rewards of the Worthy boxes clogging their inbox by the end. However, I think Guild Trader mail (both gold from sales and unsold items) should remain at 30 days.

[@ravenstalons154]

Seeing Skinny's vid on scribbling and this one is pretty much one in the same where they are pushing on players to stay active in the game, i.e., making Papa Microsoft's investors' wallets bigger. They are just using the server performance as polish to make it look less obvious. You could also say it is a lot like other games that continue to add more content, which adds to the complexity of the game and this is the easiest thing to "fix". If they add another class/race and add more character slots, you'll know they were full of 💩on this "problem".

[@seha560]

They should just review all those reward-containers and the handling of those. They could all just be stacked and only on peeking into RNG is triggered and this specific container would than become "unique" and blocks one inventory slot on its own. Just think of all the collected mails for event-containers, daily rewards, transmutation geodes.... What I wondered as well on how they checked the selling time span in detail. Have effects of losing trader spots, high/low frequency location etc. been taken into account... I think the listing time they don't need to change as this is a database-consumption that is pretty much assessable by calculating max members per guild, available trader spots and potential changes of guilds for trader spots. That should give you a pretty accurate number on how large the listing item database could grow to.

[@mikehazel9991]

I really hope that this change with the traitors and the mail system will help the performance of the game especially in cyrodiil sometimes I will get a reward of the Worthy in a keep fight and get a spinning wheel of death🔃 when I come out of the load screen I am completely dead with somebody that's like a level 30 teabagging me it is the most awesome feeling😂

[@Arttea]

LMAO I think a lot of us that pvp can relate to that experience For me, RoTW mails don't cause any issues, but I'll usually get a crazy load screen around certain areas (usually right outside Sejanus, on the way to BRK) and then after a minute or so I'll come back from the load screen and be met with 12 players all teabagging my character's corpse :')

[@mikehazel9991]

I'm glad it's not just me☺ but from what I hear PC is better than console as I play on console😒 I really don't want to start the game over again from the beginning. I feel like I've just put too much effort into what I've got.

[@johncroddick2624]

I clear my mail on 9 characters every day so I'm good thanks for heads up though ;)

[@samjohn9619]

Completely irrelevant question but what reshade preset/settings are you using?

[@Arttea]

I use this reshade preset: www.nexusmods.com/elderscrollsonline/mods/144

[@samjohn9619]

@@Arttea hero 🔥

[@CrLostArt]

Mafia! i knew it!

[@CadeAid1]

1:06 Demonitized just like that 😩

[@Einsteintse]

Got to admit Chibi Arttea look so cute.

[@ABDR4]

Evidently they gave no thought to the fact that some ESO players have chronic health issues, which can lead to sudden, unexpected away time from the game. Yes, sometimes for more than 14 days. This makes it hard to sell items, so I might just get out of trading all together. In situations like this, 30 days to list and 30 days to claim is entirely reasonable. Never had a problem with that, but I can very easily see having major problems with a 14 day limit to claim item or gold. They can't talk about "accessibility" while making decisions like this.

[@_invinciScribe_24]

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[@slay7584]

if they will make the world revolve around every problem that exists in the world then the game will just stop existing

[@lady_tarra7269]

Two possible outcomes: -Higher prices for casual things, mats, etc because things get lost in mail and people trade less -lower pricew for expensive things because they want things Sold guaranteed Probably both

[@jmbrady1]

I still don't see why they can't just have a central auction house instead. Would remove the constant queries from TTC and other resources like it and having a posting limit of 30 items at a time per player would drastically reduce the memory issues of the game for the devs, as far as the mail and listing duration goes that is 100% on the players, they are given the rules of engagement for it beforehand, they can just deal with it

[@K-Von]

Meanwhile in GW2 I have items listed for years. Also they can sit on your retrieval box for years (?)

[@tracylamb2971]

Well, that kills my trading style! Which is extremely lazy. I generally only list on Sundays, when I have all day to mirco-manage stuff. I do however clear out my email daily, if I don't want to mess with the items, I just grab them on a character I don't use often. That part sucks, but I can deal with it.

[@1974skol]

I thought that mail system counter doesn't start until you log in. So if you had an item sell or expire, the timer doesn't start until you login after the item sells or expires. Did that change?

[@Arttea]

This was mentioned in the video (and in the patch notes): "The expiration timer for most mail types does not initiate until the mail is received while your character is logged in. There are, however, several exceptions where the timer begins when the mail is sent". One of those exceptions is: "Guild Trader mail - Includes item purchased, item sold, kiosk bids, etc." (quoted parts from the patch notes) forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/pts-patch-notes-v10-0-0

[@1974skol]

@@Arttea Yes, I posted just before I saw that at the end of the video. That is frustrating, but I typically log in daily for the rewards so it shouldn't be an issue.

[@eustacemcgoodboy9702]

What I've observed on PC EU is that material prices have gone down significantly. Sales overall are slow. I think what happened is: there are less new players around. Veteran players already have stockpiles of dreughwax and perfect roe and whatever else. And they're all used to selling those for income and to meet trading guild requirements. So there is a race to the bottom with prices falling across the board significantly. ALSO when they made selling crowns harder with the gifting restriction it's no longer easy for a new player to spent $10 and get their hands on millions of gold to spend on the guild traders. So there are less people buying a legendary deadly arm crops for 550K gold now. Basically the ESO PC EU market is now focused towards selling niche rare items to veteran players because new players either don't exist or have no gold to spend.

[@truthseeker5277]

Zo$ is doubling down on their FOMO tactics to increase active player count. Even the Scribing system shows this with it's "randomly rotating" bullcrap and time-gated grind. You don't just go 10 years into a game's life and suddenly decide the database needs some trimming like this.

[@PuddingZebra]

To me it seems more like a cost-saving move rather than a "server improving" one. Maybe server improving as in they have to spend less server load on this so they can downscale the already struggling hamsters to 1. 1 hamster costs less than 2. With the added benefit of creating FOMO passively. win-win for the paycheck of the top brass :) Shame we as the players wont see anything at all from it, except downgrades :))))

[@lemonbalm_tea]

fortnight in my eso timers

[@Kottery]

I have no skin in this game as I'm not too deep into ESO and thus never use the traders, but 30 days is A LOT of time and even 14 days is insane in my eyes. Coming from WoW 48 hours is what I'm used to and while in FFXIV listings never expire you need to be updating them at least every couple days anyway or else it's never getting sold.

[@bobbygasser2681]

If its because the items don't sell then why change the time to claim items from the mail...

[@Arttea]

The proposed changes for the 14 day mail timers are not because of the rate at which items typically sell in guild stores; those are entirely different concepts. The devs are just changing **mail timers** for performance reasons, AND they are changing the **guild trader listing timers** for performance reasons as well, but not because there is any correlation between the two.

[@bobbygasser2681]

@@Arttea got ya. 👍

[@dailydistraction3793]

im actually really upset about the 14 days or lose the mail instead of going to your bank or something. I normally play for like a week then leave town for a month or so and collect gold when i get back. Im already on the fence about this up coming expansion from a pvp point of view so i may just take a long break until so gets their stuff together. Lot of good games coming out anyway atm

[@nobodyhere4667]

vendor everything, got it :) - the performance lie was one that Bethesda/FO76 LOVED to use. This is a strategy to get players to not have long breaks from the game, I am sure some idiot thinks this will improve player involvement but it will just give people a reason to stop coming back. Glad i played before they changed it, $7.50 for the game and 3 months of play, not a bad exchange, time for a new game.

[@wrayk]

This will only work if the items returned after 2 weeks are not immediately re-listed.

[@cracmar03]

I am more concerned when this will hit the servers. There is a mail for me on pc EU that never reached me. It contained 3.5 mil gold and about 168 tempering alloys, because mail is very buggy, the mail never reached me. It got stuck on unclaimable limbo and normally would be returned to sender after 30 days. Now if they put this new change .... it will get automatically deleted without any of us capable of claiming it.

[@josiewoodrose7616]

I like the 14 days timers. But I am a nut about getting my mail. I agree that anyone who is gone from the game can run into trouble and at times being away is unavoidable. Removing items will work if you have advance warning but that is not always the case.

[@Arttea]

Yeah I'm a bit of a nut about retrieving my mail too lmao. The new expiration timers for sales and items won't be affecting me personally, as I am a fairly active player/trader who doesn't *usually* sell a lot of slow-moving items, but I've already heard from some of my friends that play and trade on a more casual basis (or who prefer to sell expensive items that don't sell very quickly) that this is gunna be a bit of a pain in the ass for them, unfortunately 😅

[@Roarshak]

Wow. I am not one for spoilers so I don't data mine watch much but damn. This is NOT a good change.

[@traceychurch7123]

Well I’ll have to not put stuff in if I know I’m going out of town. Definitely don’t want to use trader who charges dues

[@brian.montero]

IMO, the main focus/goal of them making these changes are to further pull gold out from the players. Making players relist more often (pulling gold from the players) and having them login more frequently to collect their gold, else they lose it. They know what they're doing and "server performance" is just a cover. Again, just my opinion. Guild Wars 2 doesn't seem to have an issue having player list items on their AH for years and years without needing to auto remove it, else "bad for servers". I know, different game and all, but also...ANet is a smaller company and figured it out, sooooooo..... Overall, change only hurts the players and they're providing nothing to counter this change.

[@lilithamberle6470]

I would even hazard a guess that GW2's AH database may be larger than ESO's as their AH system is accessible for the entire playerbase, unlike ESO's more restrictive/competitive (and frustrating) trader system

[@cracmar03]

I disagree with your take, simply because mail system in pc EU and pc NA ESO has been severely underperforming. And issues kept piling as years went on. Ghost mails, 30 day limbo stuck mails, not loading content mails, lags a plenty so you need to teleport to force it out.

[@danasyl7240]

Just my luck: the only year I want to take a 3 weeks vacation instead of two and I will have to delete all my listings from the store otherwise I might loose them :( I can't see any positive sides to this at all, it feels like an additional task to keep track of, making the game more of an obligation than entertainment :(

[@daviddawn5613]

Honestly,it punish the people like me who can going at hospital at any moment for a long time cause they have severe diseasse 😔.

[@nolabel6824]

Thanks for vid, Arttea. I stopped playing due to the massive console needed changes. It was terrible to have to spend tons of online time to be competitive in making gold for things i wanted. As a console player it was bad. When this update happens its going to be even worse in my opinion. If anyone else is a console player, im suggesting you stop playing and try a new game. :)

[@TommyDaGreatest]

EverQuest 2 has the best auction feature. Or Broker as it's called. You put something up, set the price and leave it. It has no expiration date so even if you are away for months you will still be able to have it sold. I recently logged in to EQ2 in the first time in forever and saw that an item had sold for 550,000 platinum. My character had 90 000 plat last time I logged in before that...

[@dangrimes6200]

Just oing some mental wandering here...but...i list 30 items for 30 days. Say half sells 1st week...list 15 more...ill still always have 30 items listed, sucking data. Doesnt matter if it is on a 14day or 30day rotation...and actually, faster turnover means system has to update with the new items more often. Seems like no gain, and maybe even a loss. For the mail, sure, i can see a benefit. Hurts me and my map hoard, but, def better for data

[@matheusdesouzacarvalho4529]

I know maplestory art when I see maplestory art. 👀

[@Arttea]

The artist that drew my ESO character was heavily inspired by the iconic maplestory chibi style!

[@rogerrantz2024]

The gold should go directly to our bank if we can't claim it

[@alexgarner9987]

If it makes my ping better I'm al for it 🤣

[@Chrysaphius86]

All my items are shit

[@raybird9605]

I think a lot of it's because people are using that system as a way to store junk items like a bank or something I know there's been times when I've had a pile of crap sitting in my mail

[@PhlipStarr]

ZOS really out here taking away listing and expiration days from us to save money instead actually making their servers better without penalizing the consumer. It would have been nice if they would let us sell more wares per guild trader (60 instead of 30) to at least sell more in the shorter time frame, but i could see them down the road cutting that down from 30 to 20 wares per guild trader, just to save more money on making server performance "Better". For me this probably won't affect me much, but I'm just putting it out there that these changes seems like a cop out on actually making their servers better at the expense of the consumer.

[@Confused_Slime]

Im buh he she me, buh

[@Arttea]

well said 👏

[@Chrismasterski]

the 14 day limit on mail is kinda cringe

[@chiefexecutive]

Super cringe bro

[@fireraid9173]

Wish they would triple all gold mat drop rates on pcna so that the market can finally crash and the world could heal lol

[@Kyoril]

I see this has good news. A sign that the game is strong and the player base has grown to the point that they need to implement changes to reduce server load.

[@ricardovalencia7860]

Haha why artea chibi looks so funny ?

[@Arttea]

What’s wrong with it? 😅

[@Sharkey1208]

Won't affect me all that much. I already reset my items on sale once a week so I can redo my pricing to keep it competitive. Some folks in my trading guild are a little salty, but they're mostly the buy low sell high folks who have 4 guild traders full of listings

[@michaelhattingh7974]

They can't stop bots and make new better content now they force use to grind 24/7.

[@Valeryu_Minka]

The most important takeaway I got from this is WHAT IS THAT OUTFIT?!?! :) The robe-looking thing with the belt?? #fashionisendgame

[@Kevin89866]

30 day mailbag is justified and 14 day guild trader is justified but not 14 day mailbag.

[@ascenshin9360]

You posted this to celebrate my return didn't you 😉 lolll jk thank you for the info! - TheManabuSan

[@mranster]

This is pretty annoying. I'm not a big trader, but petty changes like this tend to add up over time, and lead me to abandon (another) game.

[@Burrr]

THREE FIDDY

[@FranklinThePretendo]

The listing timer I'm fine with, but the mailbox is absolutely insane, borderline making me want to unsub my eso+

[@dwrety]

Reduce server strain? How about let's make more people log in everyday to check on their items.

[@NikeGipple]

Lol 14 days when order mmorpg don't have any restrictions at all. Gg

[@varana]

My cynical take: No, the change to listing times won't affect the economy that much. Neither will it noticeably affect the servers. But it does serve nicely to take away focus and attention from the mail retention changes, which is just bad.

[@caramelfrappe402]

Major L on their part. I understand 14 days limit for selling, but 14 days to claim your items / gold? Some people go on vacation for awhile or things happen that could prevent claiming like a serious outage or computer / software breaking problem. The devs didn't take any of this into account it feels; I keep seeing the devs constantly making bad decisions and it's been killing my hopes for the game to thrive. Absolute L.

[@plrobsontpm]

Sooo... you cannot go on a 2 weeks abroad trip without access to a computer. So typical United States :P

[@BBRocker75]

Arttea in my humble point of view: 1. I cannot handle those guild traders full of "zilions" Witch's jars, Jester's pendants and Summerset's marble stairways. Those things never ever get sale. Give away that stuff and other crap items. Don't sell crap. Nobody got rich on TESO selling rocks and ugly plants. 2. We all know some prices are high cuz those items have low drop but they are just 10% of whole TESO item pool. I check guildtraders every time i can, and BAD PRICING (overpriced is the rule in almost all them). No way you can sell a lame argonian or bretonish blueprint by 1M. 😂😂😂 3. Mail like bank? Ok it is an EMERGENCY OPTION, but do u need take those items out there as fast as u can or you will get the "help to clean my storage" rage situation. That moment when all your storage is 110% full and u start to give away everything just to get a little storage space. My rule is 75% fill -25% free. Specially dangerous are the surveys and maps. Don't pile them. If u don't like maps, give them to map runners. I know some people with 2500 or more survey to do "someday". 4. Cash flow is the rule. Gold call gold. Every guild trader slot must have a fast rotation. If u barely sell an item every two weeks, my dear YOU ARE SELLING WRONG STUFF. Read the market, check traders tendencies, follow Arttea and other merchants youtuber guides, be pragmatic and use your trader slots wisely. 5. Keep on eye IN YOUR SERVER. Some merchants youtubers are clear about what is their server. We all know PC prices are light years away from Console server prices. PS servers prices are high that XBOX servers prices. European server prices are high than NA server prices. My gosh if you are an EU PC server expat don't come to XBOX NA console server trying to sell average stuff by millions cuz u will get homeless in three days. Nobody will buy you stuff never. Good stuff for sale, good pricing, cash flow, high guild traders slot rotation, don't hoard crap stuff-maps-survey. The rules to keep your storage space and mail in good shape.