What is Modernism/Postmodernism?

Understanding the 2 separate movements.
I made this about a year ago for my photography course. As a result some of it may be wrong or down to a certain point of view. I do not have any further answers or corrections as I have not studied this movement since I created this video.
Hopefully it will simply give a basic understanding to anyone who doesn't know anything about the two movements.

[@90RoxyFoxy90]

Can I just say first thank you for explaining the difference of modernism and post-modernism. You have saved me so much hassle on an essay that I am writing. Looking on the Internet seem difficult as many people had extravagant views on what the difference was. The lecturers were very informative I wish my lecturers with the same unfortunately my lecturers like the sound of their own voice rather than giving the right information. Thank you again and please thank your lecturers. Great video! XXX

[@shaanbooyah]

Well that was a misapplication of "I think therefore I am"...

[@Auswurkung]

My friend, that was least of the sins in this vid.

[@jdjack519]

I would see that as more of a cardinal sin. Though, some may argue that misapplication of terms like that is impossible . Even if you're not using it the way the originator intended. Descartes has been dead for over 300 years, and Avicenna for over 900. They don't care if he uses the term without understanding the core concept, why do you?

[@paulmrussell12]

You'll find a lot of sociology literature uses the term modernism to describe sociological modernity. It is one of those buzz words which changes shade depending upon the discipline. You are correct, but within the discipline of art history. It is like if I use the term 'liberalism' it can mean one thing in international relations, another thing altogether in economics, another in American politics and yet another in British politics - and any of the above and more in common parlance!

[@marcpadilla1094]

Thats us tryin to have sense and then tryin to save face when realizing we envy power and success.

[@salhiayoub]

Thank you that helps me alot, Im going to present this today

[@renia5912]

very well explained,thank you!👍

[@joparedes96]

Very nice and cared for explanation. All these people ranting on comments have not the faintest idea.

[@inanedreamz673]

Nice concise summary, thank you

[@Mrfetyani]

@helterskelter2005 they are talking about modernism and post modernism in terms of advertising and marketing

[@aaroninky]

there's something to be said for starting a definition of modernity with cartesian metaphysics (the 'cogito'), but what you in fact broadly summarized with your opening philosophical dictum was, in fact, berkeley's 'esse est percipi' (to be is to be perceived). not quite the same thing :) as a start-point in subjective idealism, that somewhat begins to approach a modernist artistic approach... but not properly fleshed out here.

[@taxiturtle]

@willhum I'm aware of this BUT I am merely pointing out a flaw in THIS VIDEO, not in postmodernism as a concept. They say in this people were disillusioned after two world wars. This simply isn't the case in any of the material I have read on postmodernism because it saw prosperity post-WW2. And to that end, you've even supported my argument. I know what it IS, I merely contest this video's representation of its context

[@Thecitybeehives]

It's funny how people (myself included) say we live in a 'modern' world when we actually are in a 'postmodern' one (and have been for the past thirty-twenty years). It's like saying 'how much do you weigh' when it should be 'what's your mass'.

[@ivandate9972]

how if there is always an open discussion among doctors and nurses about definition of body pain in different cultures while patience waiting in operation bed?

[@MRTOWELRACK]

From this video, there seems to be no reasonable difference between modernism and postmodernism besides the slightest differences that should more accurately be discussed in terms of fluctuating tendencies. Capitalism functions in seemingly the exact same manner, science actually is held in higher esteem as numerous polls suggest by the general public now than ever before despite some postmodernist claims, there's always been many who vehemently oppose and are critical of authorities, as well as numerous other things that oppose this description of postmodernism. Also, I readily tire of people blaming science for unfortunate acts. Science doesn't have a moral compass, it's more of tool in a similar vain to technology. Don't blame Einstein and other scientists for the atomic bomb but instead the people in power. While one should still be critical, simply attacking science in an attempt to shift away from scientific development only helps to stunt academia and humanity as a whole.

[@Mrnodmac]

Whats the name of the first guy who talks? and who is he? I need it for a reference!

[@aaroninky]

"late-capitalism" as an epoch is generally regarded as being contemporaneous with post-modernism, not capital-m Modernism. Modernism is more broadly interested in the changes brought about by the second industrial age - machines, technology, mass media.

[@tsavager1]

Bottom left of the screen when he starts his introduction?

[@aaroninky]

Most of the Frankfurt School, e.g. Adorno and Horkheimer, were absolutely opposed to post-modernism and all forms of avant-garde art.

[@danwhitehead577]

Who is John bojard? i cant find him on google, is he someone famous or just a friend of yours?

[@simonross6136]

+Dan Whitehead i think Jean Baudrillard is the philosopher you're looking for

[@exentr]

Modernism is a movement that has it's source in the renaissance. "Ad fontes!"

[@silviaxgaara]

I can't understand who they say is the start of postmodernism.

[@taxiturtle]

@willhum Yes but that doesn't explain why it prospered so highly after the end of the second world war. Surely if what they say is true, the decline in the popularity of modernity would have taken hold long before 1970

[@ReubenAStern]

The only one who gives a strait answer to this question, is Jordan Peterson. Post modernists, are in a massive existential crisis.

[@taxiturtle]

They're saying postmodernism can be partially blamed on the fact that people had been led into two world wars, yet modernism saw it's most popular period from 1945 to 1970...

[@MeHomer]

Ok one guy here hit it.. "There is no P.M., everything is retro".

[@Auswurkung]

The guy lost my respect when he said "It's a Theory not a Fact" - did I just hear him say that childish and erroneous definition of what Theory is? A Theory is an overarching summary of an idea or ideas supported by rigorous and repeated testing that can be demonstrated in reality. Does this guy really think that the Theory of Gravity is just a supposition, or that Germ Theory is some nebulous idea and that the original notion that Disease was caused by Demons is just as valid? Theories are supported by demonstrably true, and empirical evidence INCLUDING FACTS gathered from a wide range of sciences and sources, and most importantly, brutal Peer Review, and it's remiss of this guy to suggest otherwise in an attempt fool the laymen who may or may not know better, especially in a professional capacity. Word.

[@jontattum1476]

If theories need to be tested, as you say they do, then they are obviously not facts but something very different. Not all of them are merely supported by facts either. Have you ever heard of a theory that turned out to be incorrect? Baseless? What about conspiracy theories? Many of those are just "Supposition." The dichotomy that this man made is valid. He is not trying to fool you. He doesn't care enough to. This video was made for someone's photography course.

[@jdjack519]

Matthew, what you're talking about is Scientific Theory . In fact, one of the beauties of postmodernism is the recognition that in practice, words do not have objective definition. Philosophical theories, though similar to their scientific analogs, aren't really the same thing. But more importantly, in both science and philosophy there is no such thing as an irrefutable fact. That's why concepts like gravity and relativity are discussed as theories, like cogito ergo sum.

[@carpejkdiem]

Lazer-Moon Centaur The theory of Gravity is a lie ( = Bouyancy + Density ) to support or give a blanket answer to all the lies of the decepti"CON"mens sunworship Globe earth model of the lucifarian agenda and for the setting up of the return of the Nephilim and the Nephilim King / Anti-christ. Under the false paradigm of the Ancient Alien agenda as our saviors deception programming. As a twist on the Fact of the LIVING CREATOR MOST HIGH GOD OF THE LIVING WORD OF GOD THAT IS OF GOD AND IS GOD IN THE HOLY BIBLE that speaks the ABSOLUTE TRUTH THAT SETS THE CAPTIVES / SLAVES FREE on the matters that matter most. The mass dellusion spoken of in the LIVING WORD OF THE CREATOR GOD in the LIVING WORD OF THE HOLY BIBLE!

[@carpejkdiem]

Lazer-Moon Centaur Shhhh The Theory of Evolution is also a big lie. Theory is a word used to con and convince the easily decieved, and manipulate the gullible into thinking by use of mind control programming and social engineering, that what they provide is your own imagination. But the deception is that when they conned and convinced you that only by ● denying ● rejecting ● Turning from God that you could be deemed intellegent, feeding into your love of the sin of Pride that blinds you and binds you to your flesh that rules you. Yet they are eXtremely overzealous in their religious persuit to the setting up of the return of the Nephilim and the Nephilim King / Anti-christ. Throughout all of factual Biblical Creator and most high Gods timeline unfolding as a prophetic scroll with the past and present undeniable to those with the SPIRITUAL EYES TO SEE AND EARS TO HEAR THE WICKED AND WILEY WAYS OF THE DEVIL! It's ironic that everything they say and do is religious yet the convince you so young that so called science calls for non believe and r

[@Mechaghostman2]

Philosophy isn't science. He's talking about a theory in philosophy. Science uses the word theory in a different way, which is essentially fact, but philosophy doesn't.

[@milascave2]

I disregard any comment that has the word "Frankfurt school" in it as veiled anti-semitism.

[@johnrussell7339]

For safety's sake you should disregard anything you didn't learn from your Mother, that is the only way you can be sure your thinking is pure and correct, that is how I live an I'm always happy!

[@RandyVollrath1]

Can't be sure

[@johnberry9949]

Thank you, this has helped.

[@damianbylightning6823]

There are a lot of missives here. However, I am not a fan of lit/art modernity's definition and putting mod in with lit/art mod is simply stupid. So well done, if I may patronise. However, taking mod back to Descartes is a postmodern cliche. Use of monarchy's power against aristocracy and the centralisation of certain state functions in Europe circa mid-14 cent? Grew from there? Other things foreshadowed this though. Use such thinking with caution cos all is grist to the mindless postmodern, anti-essentialsit mill. There's no surer form of certainty than relativism. Also, the 'mod is science' needs to be clarified. In most lit and art mod, mod is identified with Nietzsche. In fact most of the giants of lit and art mod were mere camp followers of Nietzsche, a man who appeared to like science about as much as Pol Pot. Pomo, is for weak-minded pseudo-acaemic types who who want certanity, moral authority and yet want to be be part of something which appears to be relativist and fashionable. I like conservative critics, Salisbury Review circa 1990, who tended toward describing it as modernism with knobs on. To know what they're saying here you need to think about the function of relativism's logic and how it operates in our contemporary world. If you don't believe in moral relativism, you are an outcast, a defender of tradition and so on. This becomes the moral norm that you were trying to avoid. However, being art students, you are probably not able to read or follow an argument, let alone an argument that is complicated and unfashionable. Fuck postmodernism! Fuck feminism! Fuck art - modern and postmodern!

[@vinayseth1114]

mudpuddlestruck bylightning 1) The kind of language you just used- apart from terms like 'shithead' etc, which show the actual spirit with which you live, used to impress me in my first semester, master's, until I got sick of it and realized it was just the white person's way of bullshitting their way to seem important and sound intellectual. I have used such language in my term papers, and wow : do I realize now the importance of not giving in to the language of others! Also, just citing big names isn't enough to impress me or anyone else- I know enough to separate wheat from chaff. 2) I was referring to your usage of 'mo' and 'pomo', and I have no idea why you had to talk so much to explain yourself, believing I'm not aware of these arguments- good way to show your insecurity, kid. 3) Had you talked like that in front of me, I would have knocked you unconscious before you even finished your long tirade. 4) Now I have a little project to finish- you know, actual work, which requires doing, not talking. So bye, bitch.

[@damianbylightning6823]

Vinay Seth Forgot to say, citing big names? What do you mean? Not really much citing. Bit confused on that one.

[@vinayseth1114]

mudpuddlestruck bylightning Your Salisbury Review isn't my holy bible. Don't think you have better knowledge than others just because you mugged up a few words here and there, no matter what the source.

[@damianbylightning6823]

Vinay Seth Yo Vinay my friend, I live in Delhi too. You told me you have important work to do, so see you at the call centre in the morning.

[@vinayseth1114]

mudpuddlestruck bylightning Call center? You work in a call centre? lol you have no idea what you're talking about, right?

[@gaelannash2279]

So modernism is science, computers, Star Trek and believing there's nothing we can't do or comprehend if we just put our minds to it... and post-modernism is an acid trip in which you realize it's all in your head, everything is a social construct, agreed-upon set of rules and definitions, rendering the pursuit of ultimate truth meaningless...???

[@rethastat]

Thank you very much. But who are you, teachers, lecturers?

[@milascave2]

A post modern hospital? Hm. In the modernist hospital, the doctor has taken over the role of the priest. He is keeper of the sacred mysteries which normal people can not understand. Therefore, he simply issue orders. "You need to be cut." In a post modern hospital, the doctor might admit that although he knows a lot about medicine, he does not know everything. "The field is constantly changing. Doctors disagree. Here is what I know. You choose." It could work.

[@maxsturgeon1615]

That guy is my mums best friend and he is sitting next to me Oh and it is the first one Jhon

[@kingfillins4117]

Incorrect Kandinsky and the Surrealists where very much interested in the mystical.

[@giulioemme5452]

This guy looks like deep he wants to start a fight club.

[@Madhatter2420]

This is not a very good video on Modernism/Postmodernism. Source: I have a library full of books on Modernism and Postmodernism. I also have a MA in English Literature. These guys are giving a very vague, and often outright misleading, description of these topics.

[@MamokabaneRadingwanaprofile]

if they were to go in-depth into every point raised here, this video would go on forever, this is merely a crash course on modernism and Post modernism. I have studied this in Architecture

[@Auswurkung]

Couldn't agree more. I was actually given this as part of course I'm doing. It frightens me that such vague and erroneous notions are being used in Tertiary education. I guess I'm going to be arguing with my lecturer on Friday when we watch this. Just his definition of Theory alone made me shudder.

[@toakasi6425]

Madhatter2420 congrats that's awesome do you have any uploads.

[@pimmoulton23]

thank you! this helped a alot!

[@Krotas_DeityofConflicts]

"i think therefore I am" definitely does not mean "I will only believe what I can see and what I can prove" 🤣🤣🤣 it's "The only thing I can be sure of in this existence that is definitely true is the fact that I AM THINKING"

[@ivandate9972]

7.22 POST MODERN IS A THEORY , not a fact !!!!!... who want to go to a post modern hospital? ..or go to post modern trial? or post modern army? or post modern bank? .. such thing still holds modern tradition.

[@HandBrakeDownload]

How modern!

[@horationelson57]

Post modernism, you ask? Nothing to it; it smells of fish, and it's proponents are shabby fishmongers

[@jamestkook]

Funny how everyone is suddenly a philosophy major.....

[@GUnsworth93]

Dada basically.

[@pasainchina97]

Nothing new under the sun !!

[@jamessonsarson]

Trash talking from people with degrees. Love it.

[@mannibimmel09]

segafredo rules! ...not.

[@rasplez9889]

Modernism; 1850-1900 Postmodernism; 1900-1950 Contemporary; 1950-now Personally, I think we should be due a new art movement, but industrialisation and elitism within the art world has been corrupted and destroyed by rich people and gallery/museum culture.

[@hildegardvonbingem]

takes me back to having my head wrecked with useless long-winded crappy shite when I was at university.

[@carpejkdiem]

Antichrist movement.

[@Mechaghostman2]

pmsl