What is SAG for? | Offroad Engineered

[@StepstoPodium]

***NOTE*** You can also set your SAG outside the range I stated! That range is the one recommended for a broad range of applications but if you have a specific application, you can set it outside that range. The info I give, is for your SAG to be more suited for one thing or another but usable on every kind of circumstances nonetheless! If you have any questions, feel free to leave a comment! 😊

[@nelsonmarcarvalho]

Good and clear info, When someone complains about rear shock this should be the first "step" :)

[@StepstoPodium]

thank you!! 😊😊 Yes, it should! 😉

[@JohnVanHolt]

What is a reasonable range for fork sag? Thank you again for these videos! You are taking my understanding of suspension from dark magic and sorcery to science!

[@StepstoPodium]

Thank you so much for that! You made my day already 🙌💪💪If Im not wrong, it's the same 30%-ish of the full travel!👍

[@AntiStressKit]

Excellent video and much needed information. Thank you!

[@StepstoPodium]

I'm glad I could help! 😊

[@x5-acousticguitarstuff.2]

I think SAG does a few GOOD THINGS. 1: It DECREASES HEAD and FORK ANGLE for High-Speed Stability. 2: It INCREASES HEAD and FORK ANGLE for Quick Turunig Response in Tight Breaking Corners. 3: It Allows the Rear Wheel to TRACK and GRIP small Stutter Bumps. I Raced a KX-250 for 10 Years.

[@aureasimoes4346]

Obrigada por perderes tempo a ensinar,e por isso o em Portugal ainda estamos muito atrasados na mecânica de motas ,👍👍✊👍👍👍

[@StepstoPodium]

Com todo o gosto! Obrigado por verss os videos😄💪

[@rtillerypowersports]

Thank you for the gift of explanations. I keep showing these videos of yours to my kid. It is great... he never listens to my lectures but sits in front of yours easily. Kind of jealous...lol

[@StepstoPodium]

I thank your jealousy with the utmost honour and as the biggest compliment possible Scott! Thank you so much for sharing that! You sir, should get "father of the year" award for getting a kid interested in such technical content - You might be cooking the next Elon Musk of dirt bikes, who knows...! Any question you or your kid have, sign up for a technical session at our website - you have one hour for free :)

[@sebastianschmitt4772]

Im so sorry, that such good Videos get so little clicks and likes... good work and thx :)

[@StepstoPodium]

You don't have to be sorry, but thank you so much! Having one person giving such a nice comment about my videos is worth all of it, regardless the views and likes 😁

[@johnpublic168]

sag is a street term for ride height or shock travel mid stroke setting.

[@GeniusEnis]

How do you adjust the sag on the forks? Is it only the spring rate that be changed to affect that?

[@StepstoPodium]

most forks need to be disassembled to change the spring rate bit there are some brands that have a some adjustability on the preload without disassembling! 😊

[@adamp7448]

How do you adjust or check sag on forks ??

[@rider65]

As an mtb rider and tech, I wonder why I never see sag setup for front forks in moto. On mtb's we set sag on both fork and shock.

[@karlsinclair9514]

Hi there, great channel! Im no expert regarding Sag setting for hard enduro. I asked some pro riders Webb, Gomez and Bolt what setting they run and most of them said 110 of sag. 95! Are you sure that you haven't got it the wrong way round? Obrigado. Hi. My sag was set to 110. I adjusted my sag to 95 and took it for a test ride. I

[@StepstoPodium]

Hey Karl! thanks for the comment! 😊 One thing I don't stress enough is that for most things, we shouldn't compare to the pro riders. at all actually. their bikes are completely different than the ones we have on the shelf. they use different suspension components, different mousses, different everything that are really tailored to their riding style. the values that you find out there are values recommended for us common mortals and not for them! 😂 About the Sag more specifically, the suspensions are completely different (sometimes their settings are tailored to one race in particular!!) and we should not based ourselves on their settings. What works for them does not necessarily work for the most of us, but it's something that works really funking well for marketing purposes ☺😂 However, I said that you can set your Sag anywhere between that range (and probably I should've said as well that you can set it outside that range as well), most of the time is a matter of trial and error to see what best suits you! PS: thanks for the "Obrigado", good to know that there are people that care where you're from! 💪💪

[@karlsinclair9514]

I really like the sag at 95. The bike has better traction. Obrigado Karl.

[@lewiss66]

Well, How to adjust sag at the front to fit the rear? Thanks

[@StepstoPodium]

It depends on your suspensions, but if you don't have suspensions with preload adjuster, you have to change the number or height of the washers that provide the preload 😊

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

How do you tell if you have too little preload on the shock? A too stiff spring.

[@StepstoPodium]

On the video I explain that 😊

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

@@StepstoPodium Sorry. I watched again and figured it out. I have an Xtrainer and ordered the Factory shock from Beta Suspension. The documentation is confusing in the way that they explain the spring settings. They talk about measuring the free spring length and trying to achieve 8mm of length reduction when you have installed the spring on the shock and adjusted sag.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh]

I would never preload a spring. Just find the right spring rate without the neee of preloading. If this is too stiff change the frame kinematics. Cheers

[@gessinmx132]

Excellent

[@StepstoPodium]

thank you so much! 😊

[@the3grossos195]

God job

[@StepstoPodium]

Thanks man! 🙌

[@vincevince2354]

I’m 245 pounds do yu think if the bike sits too low with me on it it’s putting a lot of stress on my motor? I have a kx450

[@StepstoPodium]

If you are riding with a spring too soft, you might blow the stroke out and transfer some load to the chassis. I thinl you should be more worried with the chassis then the engine! The will still have to pull the equivalent to almost 2 guys riding so you'll be pushing the engine quite a bit but it all depends if you do big jumps or not

[@vincevince2354]

@@StepstoPodium hey. Thanks for the quick response 💪🏾💪🏾! Okay.

[@vincevince2354]

@@StepstoPodium it just feels like when I’m in second gear at a slow speed if I try to do a wheelie my bike drops low but it doesn’t go up, like the bike is struggling to wheelie I feel like if I use the throttle any harder something might blow on my engine what it feels like 😂😂😭I think I need better rear springs🤷🏾‍♂️

[@StepstoPodium]

No problem, I'm glad I could help!

[@johnpublic168]

not sag, ride heigth: vs suspension travel ride height set so shock travel is 33 percent droop and 66 percent bump. also rake set to balance handling. spring rate in cps 2.0 for road racing. 1.6-1.2 cps for single track.

[@giovannilocci5868]

Excuse me, subtitles are not available, I can't translate the video, I'm Italian

[@StepstoPodium]

Ciao Giovanni, we don't have subtitles in Italian unfortunately!

[@giovannilocci5868]

@@StepstoPodium pity, just the video that interests me the most😔

[@craigmccall7450]

Spring rate = sag vs free sag?

[@StepstoPodium]

How so?

[@juniordovale144]

Sag front fork?

[@StepstoPodium]

Usually between 60 and 75mm

[@CW-up7xv]

Wait a minute, you're saying you want more sag for fast and less sag (95mm end) for slow? Shouldn't that be reversed?

[@StepstoPodium]

Nop. At higher speeds you are more likely to jump and what not compared to more technical riding, so you have to have more suspension stroke able to extend and compensate for that.

[@CW-up7xv]

@@StepstoPodium I agree. So wouldn't you want less sag (95mm vs 110mm) for fast speed to get more allowable suspension travel? Now I'm confused.

[@StepstoPodium]

Having a bigger sag allows 2 things: 1- you are making the extension stroke less "reactive", making the rear end more stable, 2- you are allowing the rear to have more available travel to compensate for wholes, since at high speeds it's impossible to avoid jumping. How the shock will react on compression, that's up to the hidraulic damping part which has nothing to do with the spring

[@TheMadMagician87]

I'm waiting for the day you finally produce a crap video....I mean, even just statistically, it will have to happen by chance one day :-)

[@StepstoPodium]

That was genuanly the weirdest way to say something really nice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I don't think that will happen, at least on the offroad engineered videos, so you're good 😁

[@TheMadMagician87]

@@StepstoPodium That series is where the gold is :-)

[@StepstoPodium]

@@TheMadMagician87 I think so too! Let's hope KZbin's algorithm understands that and starts putting out to the offroad world 😁😂