What Is The Best Filler Item For Item Filters

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[@flocabGD]

Man I hate it when someone on a server carrying a banner with random patterns named with random Japanese characters dies on top of my item filter and breaks it.

[@gqqggq7127]

It could happen to any of us

[@thexavier666]

It could happen to you! it could happen to me! It could even--

[@jek__]

I spent all that time learning modern conversational japanese just for this!

[@sonicwaveinfinitymiddwelle8555]

I hate the chances being so high! it is below gBHO% therefore making it possible if given enough time to happen

[@alex84632]

They call him Bobby Banners.

[@cononsberg6919]

I see someone generating 1,000,000 bees per second, renaming them, damaging them randomly, giving them random potion effects, and putting them into beehives. I start to worry that this may pose a threat to my item filter system.

[@jannikheidemann3805]

And you only have 85 000 y to fix it! 😱

[@adab788]

I bet someone would automate that

[@DEFINITE444]

Lmao

[@mrono1910]

@@jannikheidemann3805 now generate 85 trillion bees per second and reach the limit in 1 year!

[@s1l3nttt]

Still will take millions of years to get two identical ones

[@mimp8365]

I think data corruption of the entire server is more likely than someone renaming the same item with the same name and then dropping it in your filter.

[@Roescoe]

Probably, but I mean if it's your main storage and you're not very clever with your names, it *could* happen.

[@jek__]

@@Roescoe Could it really? In what circumstance would someone else unknowingly get the same item as you, rename it in the same way, and then put it in your sorter? It would likely be malice. And if someone is malicious there is a lot more they can do than just put items in your sorter, they could simply break a bit of redstone, or remove the actual sorting item. And if they can't see into the sorting hoppers or break them, then they arent going to know what to rename the item to break the machine, or what item it is. I think it's far less likely that someone's sorting system will be broken by a renamed item than it is someone will accidentally stab through their eyeball when trying to eat food with a fork, and I personally am completely comfortable eating pasta without worrying about losing an eye lol

[@arthurbouwhuis1647]

@@jek__ Oh boy the storagesystem is done! What do i do with the leftover filler items? I know i'll put them in my new storagesystem.

[@skylerlehmkuhl135]

@@arthurbouwhuis1647 That's why you have the first slot in your storage system filter out filler items, with a more unique filter (like beehives for example, much less of a pain if you only need 4 of them).

[@wyrmh0le]

@@arthurbouwhuis1647 Always always always have the 1st filter in your item system be for the filter item itself with a detector to lock the input if it gets too full -- Lesson learned the hard way XD

[@seanthesheep]

We used renamed sticks as a filler item for our storage system. However, those renamed sticks were still strewn around in chests, so when I performed a routine cleanup, I inadvertently dumped the filler items into the storage system, breaking it. Dispose of your waste responsibly!

[@lomiification]

Otherwise, add a separate filter in your storage to pick up all the filler items before they move on to the rest

[@madjoemak]

@@lomiification but what filler item would you use for that filter?

[@weemonkey16]

@@madjoemak filler filler

[@pimon77]

I always burn my exess filler (witch get random name) at the end off each storage project

[@fox4dayz278]

@@madjoemak THAT'S where you'd use the beehives!..

[@DaniDipp]

If your world gets to the point where you run into uuid-collisions, you will have bigger problems than your item filters ^^

[@DaTimmeh]

Lmao that's what I was thinking. My main concern with the bee replication isn't the thousands of years, it's the million bees per second. WHAT IS MANGO TRYING TO DO TO MY COMPUTER. AND WTF DO I NEED 1 MILLION BEES A SECOND FOR

[@SnikkerDerVon]

Thats not only true for Minecraft world, but also real world

[@vinicus508]

@@DaTimmeh that cracked me up for some reason lmao. “How are you even gonna generate 1 million bees per second, it probably would take longer than that”

[@MimsTwo]

that problem being BEES!!!!!!

[@philippschreier398]

"a compass linked to the coordinates of the filter itself" can only be broken by already existing compasses or by "actually" breaking the filter/hopper. while many solutions work, this is the most interesting solution to that problem in my opinion

[@pimon77]

thats is great !

[@Pystro]

Agreed. Fix the compass to the exact position of the hopper itself. A 2nd advantage is that even if someone had one or more compasses already linked to that spot, nobody would run around with a whole stack of them. I don't see any situation where someone runs around with more than 10-ish linked compasses in a stack. (Meaning the sorter is safe from receiving 47(?) compasses and emptying out the first stack - but not from the first stack filling up to 64 items and the compasses lifting the signal strength above 3. A 3rd advantage is that you'd create items specific to each hopper and only on demand. Meaning YOU YOURSELF never run around with a whole stack of your filler item (while you can run around with a whole stack of the raw compasses). A cheap man's solution would be to use items like sticks/ iron nuggets/ books and putting the coordinates in the name (or content). Can be duplicated, but only by someone with malicious intent, or by being off by one with the coordinates while renaming. And the latter can be avoided by appending the time and date of renaming.

[@UltraAryan10]

Agreed, I love that solution since it adds a sense of locking while being relatively easier to solutions proposed afterwards. Additionally, compasses can be enchanted with curse of vanishing which make it useful for a door as well.

[@Datagram]

Yeah, came here to say this. Seems like the perfect solution.

[@YounesLayachi]

Brilliant

[@cushiontwin]

personally I like using red, black, or grey stained glass that's renamed. It looks like the slot is unavailable which I find to be intuitive!

[@rgxyz1233]

are you a reincarnation of albert einstein?

[@mimp8365]

I use glass panes and I think you mean glass panes as well, they're 2D. Cobwebs are pretty cool too but the best by far are barrier blocks, if you're willing enough to get them.

[@cpthippieh]

that's clean

[@grayishhare]

Pay 39.99 to unlock more hopper slots -EA minecraft

[@mrShift_0044]

@@grayishhare Microsoft hoppers will ban you if you toss an item with "undesirable" name, like renaming filler brown whool into "poop"

[@carlociarrocchi2793]

Yeah, I always rename my lilies of the valley to "subscribe to ilmango" in japanese so that's not a safe option. Next time I'll go for "correct horse battery staple" in traditional chinese.

[@LacierNightmare]

My favorite and most common XKCD reference. You win internet points.

[@demonindenim]

That's too bad, I use lily of the valleys named "correct horse battery staple" in traditional chinese on several of my worlds. I think for my next item filter I'll try renaming my dragon eggs to "Tr0ub4dor&3"

[@pomelo9518]

正确 马 钉书钉

[@LucasMagriniRigo]

By "Best" I was expecting a good balance between uniqueness and how easy is to get them. As you briefly mentioned, iron or gold nuggets seem to be the case.

[@Roescoe]

Yeah iron being more preferable since they don't drop from mobs.

[@mrShift_0044]

renamed dark gray glass panes (infinite by villagers) It's almost free! Free glass!

[@skylerlehmkuhl135]

@@Roescoe They do drop from piglin bartering though.

[@MarcelVos]

@@Roescoe I mean, if you have a mob farm high up in the sky, what does it matter that zombie pigmen drop gold nuggets? It's not like they're ever going to end up there unless someone is actively trying to sabotage your sorting system, in which case they could just take out the items manually or something anyway.

[@spellmaster6]

Personally, I prefer using renamed stone slabs/stairs. My process: Generate infinite stone > mine for cobblestone > smelt cobble to stone for xp needed to rename > increase rarity of items by making slabs/stairs on stonecutter > rename stacks of items to "{farm name} item filter filler".

[@C.5.]

Do note beehives do have NBT data which is stored by the game, so don't go too overboard with the beehives as it can lag your game, nice proof of concept video by the way, I go for renamed light grey glass panes as it blends in with the item slot.

[@thomasbunn00]

I’m now upgrading my filters based on this comment. Aesthetic and function.

[@-sturmfalke-]

I like to use iron bars.

[@fireskorpion396]

They're super annoying though! NOT STACKABLE!! So super difficult to transport to a far away location.

[@WetaMantis]

Etho

[@AurallWow]

@@WetaMantis free glass!

[@superslimanoniem4712]

I've run into this issue when designing a main storage. We eventually settled on having the item input stream filtered to remove our filter items, using an unstackable item based filter. Basically a standard filter with 4 swords and a lectern to set the signal strength. After that we could just use standard renamed items.

[@olivierhinds5826]

I did the same with my storage system, except didn't use a lectern

[@rowanhensley3615]

I have also done this in my storage systems.

[@dooflydetailguuy4349]

I have not used this in my storage systems as well

[@Crimson_Canadian]

so literally an item filter for an item filter

[@lordelliott42]

Wut?

[@fox4dayz278]

I feel like the trick with this is to use something really simple - like renamed sticks or dirt - for the entire system, then have a filter BEFORE everything else FOR said renamed items, then use the Bee Nest trick on THAT filter, saving you from having to potion/damage/rename hundreds if not thousands of bees!

[@voodles3]

Exactly, this is the most optimal solution

[@tonyth9240]

This, pretty much.

[@AlexProGear]

Doesn't work in case of water flow transport system - after your first filter fills up from 1 thrown stack, the rest of your system is screwed

[@MrRyanroberson1]

Easy: redstone trigger to block systme input right over the filter filter hopper when it detects any change and it stays that way until there are no more item filter blockers to filter

[@neswinvallesteros257]

@@AlexProGear man. if only you dont carry more than 22 of your item filler with you at all times and you die in your filter (which btw, you have beehives and a filter, you probably have full prot 4 netherite. and if your arguement is elytra, my arguement is totem) and the those same item fillers going into your filter.

[@LegallyJusticefied]

If the only concern is preventing the sorting system from breaking, you can use non stackable items as the sorting block. It requires you to use a far longer redstone line, may cause more lag due to lighting updates, take up more space, and be harder to tile. But it will actually be impossible to break simply by inserting items. This even prevents duped items from accidentally entering the system as well. This, by the criteria of this video, nonstackable items are the best filter blocks (if you ONLY about preventing the sorter from breaking)

[@adamlagerqvist8111]

that would not work because unstackables create a stronger comparitor signal, fyi.

[@whenthingsfly4283]

That's laggy - if you wanna do that just use an overstack or AB filter

[@Aryasvitkona]

@@adamlagerqvist8111 yes... he knows... which is why he said it would require a longer redstone line

[@LegallyJusticefied]

@@adamlagerqvist8111 I mentioned needing to reconfigure the set up with a longer redstone line. It's 100% possible to do just not with the bog standard design

[@Fred-tz7hs]

underrated comment

[@AJMansfield1]

I really like the lodestone compass option, because there's an obvious protocol to avoid accidental collisions with any other lodestone compass: place the lodestone for a farm's compasses at that farm, labeled as such. An adversarial player can create collisions, but the probability that someone _accidentally_ creates a compass that clashes isn't just small, it's zero, since they had to actually go to the lodestone at that farm that'd you'd set aside and intentionally misuse it.

[@Gzussss]

Or don't put it at a farm. put it somewhere secret, somewhere safe (as Gandalf would say)

[@ahmed4363]

or just break the lodestone and they wont even be able to use it

[@Gzussss]

@@ahmed4363 i think that would disable the compass, unless you do something more complicated. Am I wrong?

[@saemsodjesft8901]

The compass will break, but it will still remember where it originally pointed to.

[@WalleyeGuy4]

Put the lodestone at the filter hopper's location, link the compasses, then place the hopper back. The only way to break the filter then is if someone already has that compass, or physically breaks the hoppers.

[@Grimly89]

Maybe the concept of information entropy should have been introduced because this is exactly what this is all about.

[@9nikolai]

This video is more about "what is the most unique item that you can use as a filler item in item filters?" For the best filler item, I prefer using any item I have an abundance of, and name them after which filter they're supposed to be in. And importantly: instead of naming a whole stack, I name exactly as many as is needed for that specific filter. Then, there's no reason for anyone to have the same item unless it's been taken from the specific filter, in which case that's where it belongs anyway. And if the filter breaks for any reason and the filler items go somewhere else or say if the filter was blown up and someone picked up the filler item, it's easy to see which filter it's supposed to belong to.

[@marckiezeender]

A UUID can be expressed as 32 hex characters, but the character limit for renaming items is 50 in java edition. So you can easily just generate a UUID and rename an item to that id and you can rest assured that it won't conflict with anything unless someone intentionally makes a copy

[@bright_lego]

After some investigation, it appears that the 50 character limit is actually a 100 byte limit in UTF-16 (or 50 UTF-16 units) so there are 6668116180258093075548900083264032211698769839189675092694425146132111763448788211478272384471170855239622409714675224625952063862125073775947095479446910473806244710933553949850252514618396947045661879873067282329626685944671661969599692800 (or roughly 7 * 10^240). This is larger than just 2^800 as there are also many other possible lengths of the name. This makes the chance of a conflict 0 to 240 decimal places. For context, if you gave everyone on earth 1 billion processors each able to generate 10 billion new names every second and this has been going on for the current lifetime of the universe, the expected number of conflicts with your name would be 0 to 193 decimal places (or 5.2 * 10^-195). If you included the time until the heat death of the universe (or 10^106 years), the expected number of conflicts with your name is 0 to 98 decimal places (or 3.8 * 10^-99). So I think just giving items custom names should be enough, given that you destroy or rename any left-over items after building the sorter.

[@fan0]

@@bright_lego It's pretty nerdy but I won't call you a nerd, I am a nice person

[@supremechancellor1]

@@bright_lego Your perfect math brought a tear to my eye.

[@maybebecca7513]

I usually just go with Wheat Seeds renamed to “Seeds of Doubt” easy to get and throw away when done. I also don’t usually have a huge need of seeds so I’m more likely to chuck it into a composter then dump it into any storage system.

[@danielg6566]

Yeah ditto here. I'll use wheat, beetroot, or cocoa seeds. I just name them "filler". Works great.

[@enzoschindler]

A better alternative: Naming an item with random Unicode characters is more efficient and effective. If you name your filter items with 50 random Unicode characters (max length of an anvil), since there are over 140 thousand characters, you will get over 144,697^50 possibilities, which is equals to 1.05e+258 combinations. In a similar analogy, if every second a million items are named differently, it would take 3.34e+250 years on average to get all the possibilities, which, if you know basic math, you will realize it’s more time than anyone can comprehend (this number is over 10^247 times larger than the age of the universe). And all of that is not even taking into account that you can name items without the anvil’s length, which would increase the possibilities even more. If you also consider there are almost 400 unique items in Minecraft (even excluding custom banners, named books, maps, etc, which would increase this number way too much) the amount of combinations becomes (1.05e+258)*400. Which is just an insanity of a number, not even comparable in the slightest to any other thing in the universe. There are random Unicode generators out there that can generate a bunch of Unicode characters at a time, so it’s also extremely easy to reproduce. I also heard bee hives store NBT data, so making a ton of them may make your game laggy, as opposed to named items which don’t store much data whatsoever. Just a note: even though a lot of the characters are not textured in Minecraft, you can check for yourself that they are still considered different than each other in the game, meaning 2 items named with the same length but different untextured characters will not stack. TL;DR: naming a random item with a random Unicode character is indeed enough to last for the rest of your Minecraft world.

[@harryhelina9859]

galaxy brain

[@lifeai1889]

the largest problem is the one building the storage didnt dispose of the leftover filter item correctly and acidently throw it back in, so a beehive is still best

[@MissingMeep]

This is crazy how in depth it goes. Though I think on my server with only a few friends I'm just gonna stick with foreign language renames.

[@grudds]

Are you saying you are willing to risk the functionality of your item sorter just because you don’t want to collect thousands of bees or lodestone compasses? Do you know how common it is for someone to be walking around with your specific item renamed to exactly what you named it in another language that none of you speak or read? smh fr

[@jannikheidemann3805]

You can use java script (not the programming language!). Maybe combine that with an inuit scripture just to be sure.

[@pomelo9518]

Mine are named "Hosanna in excelsis"

[@jannikheidemann3805]

@@pomelo9518 Hõsé in Exel. 💾🧔🏽🖥

[@tallontarzan]

The exact amount of Lodestone location possibilities is *1,382,399,216,640,110,976* (1.38... quintillion) Calculation: blcoks cannot be placed outside the world border, which actually ends at 59,999,983 (17 blocks away from the perfect 60 million). The border size squared because the world is a square times world height 384 = 1,382,399,216,640,110,976 Alternative solution to item filters: Have all your blockers be the same thing and have a private* sorter just for that. *Private = not adjacent to any other filters, meaning signal strength never bleeds over, also meaning you can use unstackable items as your filter items.

[@arandomdiamond2]

I could totally see ilmango teaching a college course titled "Minecraft Theory" and this is the chapter on item filter choice haha.

[@sanderbos4243]

Love how this video is sneakily introducing people to information theory

[@thexavier666]

Hello fellow entropy enjoyer

[@sanderbos4243]

@@thexavier666 mcanaspdp

[@LachsFloete]

In Bedrock edition you can rename an item with the paragraph (§) and a character behind. With one letter you can make those random minecrafty characters you often see at like mystical weapons from modpacks. I think it was k (it is in the wiki) And those items that are renamed with that tag only stack if they are made in the same renaming process. So renaming an item to §k filter you can make an item that cannot stack with anything ever again. You could also recolour the item name to give it more customisation. I will leave a link in the reply if i can find it.

[@TheRedSmarty]

That doesn't sound right. Are you sure? The §k only affects the display of the characters, and is just a normal string of characters to the actual game, so if the same original string is replicated perfectly, it should be able to stack like any other renamed item.

[@LachsFloete]

@@TheRedSmarty i once did that and they weren’t able to stack, but maybe it was just MC Bugrock edition🤷‍♂️😂

[@kosmamoczek]

When it comes to renamed items, I use firework stars. That's because I usually have leftover blocker items after I finish setting up the filters, and firework stars are very easy to spot in your inventory and in containers - making it much easier to find and destroy them (so they don't end up in the filter system accidentally).

[@Aryasvitkona]

Just have the first item in your sorting system be for the filler item, using *another* filler item, but only make 4 of the second filler ever

[@Pystro]

@@Aryasvitkona It can still break, if you fill up the storage for that un-renamed filter item. Let's say your usual filler item are sticks, and you filter for them with renamed iron ingots as the filler. Then if you ever fill up the stick storage, they will just pass over top of the hopper with the sticks and renamed iron ingots.

[@mambodog5322]

If I had that system I'd probably end up turning the excess into fireworks and have a display every now and then

[@LadyEmilyNyx]

@@Pystro You don't store the sorted out filter items, you dropper them into lava.

[@Pystro]

@@LadyEmilyNyx Agreed, you'd usually do that if you want robustness. But since the dropper, the enclosure for the lava and the comparator clock add up in space fast I'd personally just go for a few double chests instead, unless I need automatic lava disposal anyways. Also, the filler item might be something that's useful to have in storage.

[@ryanreklaw]

For me it is whatever I have the most of and I rename it to what that sorter is... i.e... creeper farm, raid farm... sticks or iron nuggets are my main item... but for my multi item sorter I use black glass panes, again always renamed to something like main sorter so if I happen to see it appear somewhere I know something went wrong... this hasn't happened but its my fail safe

[@readypone]

I personally use renamed grass: grass is something very cheap, that you normally never harvest as is (most people just use bonemeal if they need grass for decoration)

[@oxymore13]

try tall grass lol

[@Possseidon]

Technically it should be sufficient to just generate a UUID yourself and rename an item of your choice to that, since it's basically impossible for someone else to generate that same UUID.

[@theguyinthechair]

Actually genius

[@TheRealWormbo]

I believe the idea is that you have control over the item name but not over an entity's generated UUID, which means renamed items are reproducible, but entities (bees) stored inside an item are not.

[@zutaca2825]

If you're willing to redesign your item filter, the best filler item (in terms of not breaking) would be nonstackable items with a modified item filter, since then it's truly impossible to break by dropping items in. It's completely impractical, sure, but so are several other things in this list

[@jasonreed7522]

I feel like the 2 most reasonable filters are just nonstackable items (like wooden shovels) for perfect reliability, and renamed filter items (like sticks, nuggets, or something else easily obtained en masse) and then destroy the the excess filler items to prevent accidental contamination. Basically everything else on the list is either too easily broken (unless in very special contexts) or just inconvenient to aquire with possibly the exact same risks as renaming sticks to "sticky" interms of accidentally dropping them back into the system. (Although you can always prefilter out your filler item from systems you really don't want broken)

[@Nsta1]

Well, you could in theory obtain items in previous versions of minecraft that don't exist anymore, liked the unused tipped arrow or the petrified stone slab, and as long as you're sure that there are not any more of those on the entire server, it would be actually impossible, not just theoretically improbable, to obtain more of them once you update the game, assuming some glitch to obtain them is not discovered in the future.

[@discowizard681]

The correct answer is Coarse Dirt named Sorting Powder... or beacons

[@Bowie_E]

Give this person a medal 🥉

[@heatshield]

@@Bowie_E what u doin IoI

[@Sp-fn5zi]

Ya beacon can be because I have 1250 beacons in MCPE

[@benjyyy4168]

@@Sp-fn5zi no one cares how many beacons you have have and no one cares that you play on MCPE

[@O5MO]

Especially on scicraft where they have hundrends of thousands of beacons that need filtering

[@oricalu448]

I think an easier way to protect your sorting system is to not play with jerks who try and break your sorters by throwing in filler items.

[@randomclips9715]

there's easier ways to break sorting systems anyways lol, unless you don't have access to the hoppers or something

[@ebsolas]

Personally, I like to keep a secondary item filter that's a harder item to get and then renamed something that's impossible to re-use (then I burn any extras). Then I use nuggets called "filler nugget". I then filter out filler nuggets before my storage. That way my common filter gets sorted so I can use it again, and the harder sorter protects the system. I'll probably use one of these tricks for my secondary filler. That way I can protect my most important systems without having to farm beehives too much.

[@Guergeiro]

I normally use iron nuggets because it's cheap and easy to obtain and not many recipes use it, therefore the chance of a real player actually having one is pretty low. To be safe I also rename the nuggets, so yeah.

[@Satook]

The answers were what I expected, followed by interesting trivia with the “ultimate” answer being just as silly/awesome as I’d hoped. Awesome stuff. Now I need to make a bee nest farm. Thanks Ilmango!

[@andronixbegayaf]

Nobody: The thousands of bees in my storage room: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[@Mathias763]

The one thing I could think off, is a negative value item It can have a value between 0 and -whatever Also you have to convert these items from another minecraft version The last time I could make one of those was in ~1.12

[@Allunaatti]

Ah yes. I have been looking for this information for ages. Thank you!

[@moonyl5341]

this wouldnt be as good but u could use petrified oak slabs or leaves with a missing texture in 1.12 or maybe a recovery compass also with books there are about 10^10^240 possible combinations assuming u can type 255 chars on 1 page

[@Roescoe]

Not as many unique possibilities.

[@moonyl5341]

@@Roescoe thats why i said it wouldnt be as good

[@Hlebuw3k]

I usually just use some easy to obtain blocks and rename them to something like "FILTER" or random letters, its definitely good enough

[@deathlessgamer]

Wooden shovels, they're unstackable, and no Farm in the universe produces them. The only real downside is you have to make your item filters 15 Redstone lines long, which could cause a lot of lag.

[@andersbuchjeppesen5493]

I dont understand why you have to change the setup. Ilmango said in the video when you change the filter to something that stacks to 16 that it’s slower but i don’t see that. When filter items can stack to 64 the slot fills up to 41 and with filter items that stack to 16 it fills up to 21 (I think. I can’t remember the precise number), so wouldn’t that make the system better? It can hold a lot more items before overflowing and the redstone is the same. How is it with non-stackable and why do you have to change the redstone?

[@deathlessgamer]

@@andersbuchjeppesen5493 You have to change the Redstone because unstackable items act the same as a stack of 64. By extending each line to 15 long it guarantees that there's no cross talk. I had it hooked up to one of my old mob Farms, it worked like an absolute treat.

[@aefinn]

I think you answered a different question than what the title asks. The most safe is not necessarily the best. I think you also have to take into consideration how easily you can get the item. So balance between effort and safeness. This is mind, named iron nuggets are the goat.

[@nidmyr]

To be fair, the question is what the best filter item would be for scicrafters...

[@feschber]

The biggest advantage with the final solution imo is that you can not accidentally throw in your filter items if you forgot to destroy them and break the filters like that.

[@JevinJohnson-CloudShift]

Bee: What is my purpose? Ilmango: You sort items Bee: oh my god

[@Bazzokapho]

I just use a hash-stone (can be any item tho) that's been renamed with sha512 hash of the current time.

[@Akari_202]

do you have a scarpet script to automatically rename them?

[@theaceofspades8619]

Is the video not loading and saying “No stream Tap to retry” for anyone else?

[@dustyspider7655]

I dont know how the algorithm knew I needed this video but it did :D ty for making this ilmango, it was super helpful

[@ZBigT]

My go to is renamed feathers. I've always got more than I'll ever use from early game chicken farms. Between infinity bows and easy ways to obtain lots of arrows like Skelton spawner farms, villager trading, Piglin bartering farms, etc., I only end up using feathers for book and quill. Simple chicken farms always seem to far outpace my need for book and quill. I've also used renamed rotten flesh. Limited use for me and very easy to get. I just make sure to use a name that won't get duplicated by accident or so random it's unlikely to be used again.

[@Bowie_E]

I use cookies that I rename Filter Cookie 🥠

[@soatnod9573]

who would've thought that filler items matter

[@HerrTukan]

As someone playing Singleplayer a few Stacks of Stone renamed to "Stones" usually did the best for me.

[@Scratchfan321]

I've been thinking about this for years. Finally, a video which answers the question!

[@StylishHobo]

Alternatively, you can name each item with a UUID.

[@CqctusRust]

he said that

[@b_2u]

What's the problem of those 16 per stack items? For me it seems like an advantage cuz the filter get a bigger cache. Wish someone could explain for me :(

[@FSBmc90]

if the filter gets too many items (~1 stack in your case), it will affect the redstone on the sides since the signal is too strong. Thus, you'll end up breaking filters on the sides.

[@AtlasVX7]

Adjacent filters wouldn't work effectively due to how much redstone signal strength the comparator will put out

[@b_2u]

Oh i just recall that it will effect the neighbor filters if the signal is too strong. Really appreciate

[@charles9663]

Comparators read based on the percent fill of the container. A 16-stackable item provides 4x the fill level that a 64-stackable item provides. When the signal is too strong, this filter triggers the neighboring filters to drain

[@ThatBenKraft]

I absolutely love theory videos like this. When I subscribed for technical I wanted technical.

[@precumming]

I rename items with a randomly generated UUID and then once I'm done with the filters I clear the name of the remaining items. This is such that it's easy to deal with, I'm not left with items that can end up in the filter, and I don't have to farm bee nests (massive coincidence that was your #1 pick). You could really easily make a website which hands out a unique name on request and stores the name in a database and then verifies that a randomly generated name is unique in the world. Just make sure that everyone either deletes filter items once they're done with them and then dismiss the given name on the website and it will never be granted again.

[@n4p3r0]

No stream Tap to retry

[@vlad2305m]

Did you casually say "subscribe to Ilmango" in Japanese?

[@leoliu2837]

normal redstone tutorials: rename the filler items to "filler" so it won't stack ilmango: *BEES*

[@jek__]

Whats this? A handsome item sorter woefully underpopulated by BEES?

[@XepptizZ]

I always like these videos of things very few people ask, but is definitely interesting to think about.

[@inaan]

the best answer is actually netherite blocks for the flex

[@enkvadrat_]

of course the structure void

[@enkvadrat_]

or maybe barrier

[@rottis5042]

i usually make the first sorter in my storage with no filler items, using only that item and then using that item as filler for all others, works well if you have a cheap material like cobble as your first material

[@juliansahne3944]

really interesting video, showing the different ways item can be unique. This seems to be the savest way, but the best filter would be something that can be easily produced as well. I think the map and compass seem to be a good compromise, you proabably have enough Iron for the hoppers anyways

[@StevenAllman]

Anyone else having trouble with the video?

[@RedIceberg]

What I would do is use a random renamed filter item, then make a filter for the filter item using another filter item that you rename then burn the rest of (so you never put it in by mistake)

[@silverspoonz123]

Ilmango - "How do you even generate 1 million bees per second" - also ilmango - "Challenge accepted"

[@PlNGP0NG]

The lodestone idea is brilliant. In a protected area or even in the build itself, with worldguard protecting the build they would never be able to regenerate the compass.

[@JSoldierPro]

I keep getting the message “No stream” “Tap to retry”:/

[@DvH_2]

Well, there you have it. That’s the best filler item in the game!

[@skillfulfighter23]

Same

[@beans197]

Video ain’t working It says no stream tap to retry

[@orangesock6231]

Same

[@donovanbalthazor9447]

Same

[@miracula2226]

In one of my worlds I made a storage system with a pre-filter which took all the sticks from the stuff that I threw into the inbox. The filler items were named stackable items of some kind. The rest of the storage system used sticks as filler Items. All I had to do was make sure that the pre-filter box was never full of Sticks.

[@nicsolo89]

I use glazed terracotta for our item sorters on our realm. They’re blocks that nobody really uses and the main source is kept separate from our main storage so it works out quite well for us.

[@MarkedUserName]

Won’t load

[@LightningAussie]

Minecraft:air ?

[@oost_javeln]

Can't get that in survival

[@ignDart]

@@oost_javeln ok sherlock

[@jek__]

pretty sure thats not an item anymore, it's just a block

[@LightningAussie]

@@oost_javeln you sure now 🤣

[@jgray2718]

This is precisely the type of content I expect from SciCraft.

[@zackeroni9]

I believe the Firework Rocket item is the better one as shown in the video (though there are "better" options), assuming you are using the same item sorting design in the video. The potential the Firework Rocket has over the Beehive/Bee Nest is non-renewability. Diamonds can be used in the crafting recipe for Firework Stars, which can then be used to craft Fireworks. (Though Firework Stars is all you need!) Assuming you'd take the time to go through all dimensions and destroying/collecting every last Diamond item (which is more feasible than getting a Beehive/Bee Nest in the exact configuration as someone else did), crafted your Firework Stars, and destroyed any items remaining (or stored them in your Ender Chest), after this is done, the ONLY way for someone to break your sorting system is through tampering with the machine or duping one of the sorting items. In the end, it breaks down into three categories of items (two if you are going with the standard item sorter): non-renewable items, highly customizable items, or unstackable items. Non-renewable items have the plus side of, when they're used up you can't get any more. Really you don't even need something as complex as the Firework Star. You could use Enchanted Golden Apples, any Ore Block, Dead Bushes, Disc Fragments, Large Ferns, or any of the many other nonrenewable items. Then there's a second choice of what kind of non-renewable item you'd want to use. You could choose one that's easier to obtain but has very few in the world such as Dragon Heads, Tall Grass, or Large Ferns. Each of these are only found in one dimension, and can only be found in chests of structures that are "easy" to find. (Dragon Head only found on End Ships in the End, Tall Grass only found in the Overworld in Savanna Villager houses, and Large Ferns only found in the Overworld in Taiga Villager houses.) Given enough time, the player could fly over the entirety of a Minecraft world, spot these structures, and collect all these item(s). These items have the down side that, since there's so few of them, it may be possible to eventually run out of them after using a bunch of them, but the plus side of them being more easily expendable. Secondarily, there's the more common non-renewable items like Dead Bushes, Spore Blossoms, or Ancient Debris. Dead Bushes can be collected on the surface of the world either through natural generation or from chests or structures. Spore Blossoms and Ancient Debris however can primarily be found by digging under the surface. These items are much more common and would be much harder for a player to collect every last one of, but have the up side of being a lot more usable. Highly customizable items are the more obvious choice. Most of them can't be completely used up, and once created and the extras are disposed of, there is an astronomically low chance of another player getting their hands on the exact same item. This could be Beehives or Bee Nests, Banners, Copies of an original Written Book, Firework Rockets or Stars, or really just any renamable item. With as many unicode characters as there are, on top of any customizations of any item you could rename, the likelyhood of a player randomly guessing this item is next to impossible, yet is still technically possible. Finally, the most basic item, unstackables. If used in a special kind of item sorter, they are impossible to be broken. However this means using up more space for your redstone contraption that could potentially be needed for something else, and there is only a limited amount of space in a Minecraft world that every block needs to be used to its fullest potential. TLDR: Dragon Heads are the best item to use in an item sorter because they are the easiest-to-obtain-all-of non-renewable item in Minecraft, that when collected in their entirety, leaves it impossible for anyone else to have that same item to break your most size-efficient item filter.

[@BinxCraft]

Video doesn’t play ☹️

[@YellowBunny]

What a fine choice for a block in the thumbnail!

[@Request_2_PANic]

I've previously had the idea for the name to be a message to someone who sees it to let the owner know that the filters aren't working anymore, equivalent to "This message should not appear." While it could be more effort than would otherwise be necessary, having sorters below each to detect and stop items from coming in to avoid further problems, by locking the hoppers and stopping the item elevator(s), until it's fixed and manually reset, with the items diverted to bulk storage in the meantime to reduce the likelihood of the loss of potentially valuable items, especially what wouldn't be, or not easily, renewable.

[@StalePhish]

I do a variation of the Japanese trick. I use bones since they are easy to acquire, and then use my password manager's password generator function and copy and paste that in! Without some malicious activity there would be no way for it to happen by accident. I do the same for "locked" doors, where I use renamed tripwire hooks because they look like keys :)

[@MunchyG]

i personally have a single fully separated slice that filters the filter items so should you ever deposit your filter item into your storage it gets filtered out first by a non-overflow safe slice but you can also just attach the output of the slice to a trasher so it would be impossible for it overflow

[@brendanluttrell7106]

This is the perfect balance of mind-bending genius and daft for the Mango tribe.

[@Zerahu]

I used renamed poppies from my iron farm for my storage system. Just made sure to dispose the ones I didn't use properly so I never had any issue with it at all

[@FreezeNext]

Somebody:*asks a question about the best filling item for the filter* Me:"Why would you need this?!" Mango:"It's time to discuss this question and make a video"

[@omnitroph1501]

For this system to work, you need to use multiple beehives, which obviously won't have the same UUID, so the relevant probability isn't of getting a bee with one specific UUID but rather of it matching any of the UUIDs in the system. Still improbable beyond mortal comprehension, but orders of magnitude more likely.

[@David_Rg]

I use the renamed flowers method, but with an extra step: I use the red flowers from the iron farms renamed as "filter flower", then, in the storage system in my base, the first two filters are for filter flowers (using the map trick) the first one storages them, and the second one sets an alarm and drops them into a cactus with some cobwebs on top

[@theoneandonlyflexo]

Lodestone compass set to the position of the item filter hopper itself. A matching compass cannot end up in the system since it has to be broken first.

[@mangotap]

it is incredibly easy to build a failsafe into a hopper line, extend the input line by 1 or 2 hoppers and put a hopper below the extra, then fill those bottom hoppers with 1 item each slot of the item you are using as a filter, this way, say you are using iron nuggets named filter s a filter, but you end up throwing some into the system by some freak accident, the extra hoppers will pull them out before it gets sent into the sorter and then you don't have to worry about it

[@psycomatrix]

Interesting discussion about uniqueness. I would use sticks however and add some filter att the beginning of the system to remove and burn the filler item if I thought this was a concern.

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

I like using cobblestone slabs anvil-named as SortBlock. 1. They're cheap 2. They stack to 64, which gives full precision for the comparator output 3. Cobblestone slabs rarely enter any sorting system, so there is no visible confusion either 4. They look vaguely fitting for a blocked slot

[@andrewguerrero3214]

love how mango remaned the lily of the vallies to "subscribe to ilmango" in japanese

[@Franky_PT]

I personally used in my storage room renamed ender pearls that way I made only needed 1 of each filter item. And also it was what we had more around since we have an enderman farm

[@maxderp6588]

Depends on use case but for automatic farms I just use redstone torches.. witch huts produce the raw ingredients, you only need a 2x2 crafting place, like your inventory. Won't work for general inventory storage but for farm storage... also can use regular torches...

[@Muskar2]

Classic overengineering considerations :P I think the vast majority could safely use gibberish named sticks, stone, dirt or whatever abundant 64-stacking item you have a farm for. Or to be more fancy, using colored glass panes to document the purpose for people peeping into the hoppers.

[@tomgidden]

ilmango: "Also, how would you even generate 1,000,000 bees per second?" Next week, "Scicraft S2 Episode 3: 1,000,000 bees per second farm"

[@enkvadrat_]

Happy birthday mango!

[@Marsaw]

The lodestone compass seems safe enough if you make the lodestone position be the position of the hopper the filter item is in. That way, the only possible way someone could break the hopper is by literally destroying it. After all, if someone is destroying hoppers, it doesn’t matter what your filter item is.

[@axialeaa]

On bedrock edition, I like to use bubble column tiles left over from before their obtaining method was patched. You can’t obtain them anymore and you also can’t place them, so there is no reason why a player would carry them in their inventory!

[@PINPAL]

Useful video, will be using the compass in the future for my filters after a friend dumped some iron nuggets named "Filter" into the main storage :(

[@circuitgamer7759]

I think there might be a way to make a reliable pre-filter to filter out the filler items before the main filter, but I won't be able to test it for a while. With that system, if it would work, the only way to break it would be to drop the filler item into the system after the first filter. Not as good as using the items you used here, but much easier and gives more options for what item to use in the filter. The implementation I have in mind does have one problem though, which is that if you dropped a very large number of filler items into the system some other items that are put into the system at the same time could despawn.