What is the best Toyota Hybrid Battery? Li-Ion or NiMH

[@jasonrc3976]

The more I watch this guy the more confidence I have in Toyota. I hope Toyota has recognized him.

[@ralanham76]

They have definitely noticed him

[@tonyrock5313]

We live in S.E. Asia and toyota tells us that NI metal Hydride works better for hot tropical weather.

[@ralanham76]

@@tonyrock5313 that tech is much older and is better understood and it's less sensitive to temperature

[@peppeddu]

If you get your inspection from Toyota, make sure they also clean the Hybrid Battery cooling filter otherwise it's a mistake you'll pay dearly down the road a year later when your car says the battery needs to be replaced, you discover the filter is completely clogged and you have no way to prove they didn't clean it. How do you know this? don't ask.

[@geraldouzts1472]

I agree. Gives a lot of confidence that Toyota is the right decision.

[@cenkaytekin]

Finally bought my first Toyota and it's a RAV4 Hybrid. Thank you AMD for your amazing videos that helped me decide! Since you mention the importance of the battery filter in almost every video you make, I now know that I will be caring for this filter as if it is the most important thing in my life! 😀

[@dsmdriver2588]

When I flew RC planes, we loved lithium because it was lighter and had more capacity. But if u let them discharge to less than 2.77v per cell, they would puff. Also, with heat, they would easily catch fire. Lifetime wise, we couldn't get much years out of one battery pack. On the other hand, the Nimh lasted for years and years no matter how much abuse we gave it but at the sacrifice of weight and less performance.

[@mondotv4216]

Different chemistry. RC planes use the most volatile type of lithium cells - high power and lightweight. They are a Lithium Polymer battery sometimes called LiPo s. Cars generally use LMNC or LiFePO4 (the safest but heaviest). RC planes also have 2 other problems - pilots tend to stretch them beyond sensible discharge because you don't want to crash your plane and they also want to recharge the batteries very quickly to keep the plane flying all day.

[@jimgraham6722]

Nope, in my experience ,NiMH batts are not very good. They are much heavier, are vastly more complex (they need twice as many cells) and have short life. NiMH is the only battery I have had literally explode while on charge, it punched a hole in.my ceiling. There is a reason you do not see many Toyota Priuses around these days, the batteries die and it is too expensive to replace.

[@MrR4ge89]

​@jimgraham6722 I see prius all the time and people get up to 200,000 miles or more out of them. One person reported 300,000. So you going to sit there and say something STUPID like that. Even when a master mechanic in this video said toyota nickel metal hydride batteries were very reliable. You must love saying stupid stuff to mislead people. It is better to be honest or do research before you speak. And good for your ceiling. Has nothing to do with the reliable toyota batteries.

[@Kuya_D_Z3]

Battery's for a pris are only about $3500​ @@jimgraham6722 Where as a electric car you're looking about 25k

[@jeedwards1981]

@@jimgraham6722 are you nuts? I see hundreds of 2nd gen priuses where i live and I live in a very small city

[@onlyfoolslads7844]

One of the best comparison videos I have seen on Toyota nickel metal and lithium ion batteries, I really love this guy 💙 his knowledge on toyota hybrid cars is amazing keep up the good work my Brother 👍 I wanted toyota Hybrid car but not a Prius so I brought a 2014 Lexus is300h F sport / black and I love it😁

[@alangaughran]

This series of videos is far better than any I have found by a country mile. Thanks.

[@georgeian3243]

Thank you, AMD, for another very informative video. My 2021 RAV4 hybrid with XSE trim has a NMH battery that has gone through one winter with no trouble at all. Transport Canada rates its fuel mileage at 6L/100km which means the car will only use 6 litres of fuel to go 100 km. That translates to 39 mpg. However, I have no problem getting 5.8L/100km (40.6 mpg) even running the AC now. Great vehicle, I’m very happy with it.

[@afcgeo882]

Toyota originally only used NiMH batteries in their current Rav4 generation, but switched to Li-Ion in the US in 2020. My 2021 XLE is on Li-Ion. They kept the Canadian versions on NiMH because of the more extreme cols conditions, where NiMH batteries fare better. My fuel consumption is very close to yours… about 39.6 mpg most of the time, but drops to 33 mpg in the winter, as the heater is coolant-based, which then makes the engine turn on to keep its running temps up. The air conditioning is more efficient as it’s fully electric. I live in NYC, so in a temperate zone.

[@fallguy4209]

Are you sure you have nimh? I have the exact rav4 manufactured in Canada and I have a lithium battery

[@georgeian3243]

@@fallguy4209 There’s a “Battery Location” sticker in the engine compartment that says the primary battery or “traction battery” is nickel metal hydride in my car. I understand that Toyota uses either/or basically whatever type is on hand at the time of manufacture. Still working great.

[@justinesimone5343]

I have a 2016 Toyota RAV Hybrid Ltd. I rarely get 30mph. I don't know which hybrid battery I have. When I bring my car to the dealer for service, how can I be sure they are changing ALL of the filters?

[@bradhaines3142]

i have a 22 highlander hybrid, its basically the rav4 but bigger to be a 7 seater (same drive train) and most of the time i get 35-40mpg. below 40F its more like 25-30mpg

[@ceedubbz777]

Great video! Something very important that should’ve been mentioned is the cost! NiMH on a Prius is about $3500 to replace from toyota or $1000-1500 aftermarket. Li-Ion is $10,000 and is only available special order from Toyota. That’s a big difference that should be considered.

[@JJ38255]

Definitely should be considered. People are always talking about oh I got a few extra miles per gallon but they paid an extra $20,000 for their car or an extra $10,000 for the battery. It's the overall cost that matters. Are they even going to keep their car long enough to get to the break-even point? Some people paid a lot more money for their hybrid than a regular car and they don't realize they'd have to drive to the Moon and back before they're going to actually save any money. Lol

[@austinthrowsstuff]

I see li-ion for about 2200 for my 2010 Prius. Better price than the NiMH if your buying new

[@julianbrelsford]

@@JJ38255 I drove over 140,000 miles since buying my used hybrid, and I think I've saved $0.03 or more per mile on average during that time. (Gas prices varied between $2 and $5 per gal during my ownership and I think it's fair to compare 50mpg [my Prius] vs about 33mpg [Corolla I could have bought with comparable age and odometer reading]). I could have bought a non hybrid for less money, maybe $2500 less. In my case the non hybrid would be a worse deal but I drove a lot of miles!

[@markmd9]

$10 000 is about the price for plug-in hybrid battery or even for a cheaper full EV Please check your data

[@markjohnston5831]

Li is now $2200

[@systadtmauer2491]

I purchased, today, a 2023 Rave 4 Hybrid. I was wndering if the type of battery in the car will make a difference. You video, like all others by you that I have watched, clearly explained to me the differences and finally you said, "it basically does not matter". That is reassuring. Plus, I learned from other videos by you to change my oil and other fluids more frequently as well as all filters. I listen and I will do that. 😊Thank you for keeping you channel fresh and informative.

[@katherynscleaning5807]

Do not smoke in the car and keeping the interior free of dust helps so much, the fan may not need much cleaning.

[@dandanielcameras]

FYI, in July 2022, the spec sheet for a Rav4 XLE trim on its way to me has a Ni-Mh battery. I am fine with this. Might even be better, being in upstate New York, but I expect that Toyota has temperature issues well under control for both battery types. I assume that they used this battery because of supply issues as much as anything else and I am glad to be getting a car within a few months, not a year or more! While the car cruises around the world I'll go over all the great info you provide on caring for these cars. Thanks for all you do to help people and give people info and advice to make good decisions. You represent the best the internet can be!

[@firasali4118]

Today when I removed the backseat of my 2021 Camry SE Hybrid, I was surprised 😮, because I saw a Li-ion battery in my car, when the dealership told me that my Camry has a Ni-Mh battery in it.

[@critterallywithjohnernest.]

As always, I'm so happy i subscribed because your knowledge and explanations are worth their weight in gold. You are an excellent teacher and easy to understand. THANK YOU!!!

[@grahamgillies2012]

Hi CCN, l enjoyed your video !! I'm an Aussie who drives a 2013 Honda Crz hybrid, the first version with an Li ion Battery, guaranteed by Honda for 10 years. No battery issues at all after 7 years, even with Australia's Hot Climate. Though curiously the Crz has an issue with the comparatively short life of it's small 12 volt battery, as there's no Alternator fitted. The only totally effective cure is to install a 51R battery.. Thanks again.

[@louisstennes3]

Funny story. So we own an '18 RAV4 XLE Hybrid. I am a low tech kind of guy and all I want to do is turn it on, put it in D or R and go and enjoy my XM radio. So I am in this trip of city/interstate/country driving and I never pushed the menu that gives you the econ data so I played around and figured it out. Well it came up to 31.2MPH which made me very happy. So on that trip just to fool around I pushed it a few more times and every time I did it would come up to 31.2 MPH no matter what type of driving I was doing so I just leave it alone now and tell everyone I get 31.2 mph. One of these days I will open the sun roof. I guess it works but don't know for sure.

[@coryfogle5353]

Every minute spent watching this guy is time well spent.

[@Liza_artcanada]

Thank you for your honest and professional review AMD! It’s helps a lot! 👍 All the best to you!

[@UinUinique]

According to the brochure, the 2022 RAV4 Hybrid, it’s not just the LE that is NiMH battery, it’s also the XLE, with the XLE Premium and the rest of the trims being Li-Ion

[@rodrigoavila4016]

Thanks for this wonderful information, I have 2014 hybrid Camry, now I understand more my car reading.

[@Andrew-nx5hh]

Thanks for covering this. Great fair comparison. Was wondering about their comparative features.

[@OldDood]

It is nice to know that you stress the importance of keeping the Hybrid Battery Filter clean. I know when our dog was alive (He was a Cardigan Corgi for 16+ years) his fur clogged up our Cabin Filter quite often. I was replacing that filter almost every oil change on our 2007 XLE Camry. Plus also LEAVES can clogged filters as well... We are getting a 2022 RAV4 Hybrid soon and I will keep my eye on the Battery Filter in the back seat. Also our son recently purchased a Prius Limited and I explained to him NOT to cover the vents on his rear seat battery. He now owns a Corgi puppy. (He installed a seat cover in his back seat for the dog but I warned him to not let that seat cover to cover the vents) And trust me Corgis 'Explode' with fur in your cars. Especially when they are nervous. 😄

[@michaelmccafferty7341]

I have a fur bomb too, and I hesitate getting a hybrid for that reason. I use a blanket over the back seat.

[@georgerafa5041]

NiMH is my preferred choice.

[@gogutzy]

what makes a toyota a toyota is that they take everything into account from the start and integrate everything for efficiency and longevity. own an Auris Euro '15 with the 136 hp 1.8 and NiMH battery - no regrets. best mpg at the pump - 69.79661 mpg. and it runs sooo smooth.

[@Artman1]

A battery temperature guage would be handy.

[@johnlambert1744]

As far as I'm aware, ALL Australian delivered RAV4s come with the NiMH batteries. I know mine does, which I got late last year.

[@afcgeo882]

From what I can tell, all Japanese and Canadian assembly Rav4 Hybrids have NiMH batteries. Only the US variants have switched to Lithium-Ion in 2020. There is a limited supply of lithium-ion batteries world-wide right now due to cobalt shortages and high demand for BEVs. Australia is also a very hot climate country, so it may fare better with NiMH batteries, especially up north or in the central areas.

[@mitomr.twiceasnice4358]

Li Ion for Life, haha thanks for sharing your knowledge. Wonder if any of the materials used for making the batteries could become scarce one day from so much production.

[@flagmichael]

I don't know about nickel, but lithium has been in the news occasionally as a potential conflict mineral in South America. The lithium deposits apparently span several countries and, like oil, can be mined under foreign soil be slant drilling. (Lithium is mined by injecting water into deposits and bringing up the mineral in solution.)

[@rmznemer6854]

Thanks a lot for this comparison I have already got notifcation to change the existing batteris. Will it be more convenient to power my 2007 Lexus RX 400h with Lithium set. Appreciating your advice

[@Nathanallenpinard]

My 2022 Camry Hybrid LE get's 57mpg on my work commute. I wish I had more options, but I realize the trade offs.

[@Eric_G65]

There is an exception to this. I have a 2008 Lexus LS600HL. It is a NiMh hybrid but the battery is not there for fuel economy. In fact the LS460 gets better mileage than the LS600HL. The battery in the LS600HL provides a performance boost. In reality though, not much of a boost because the LS600HL weighs a lot more than the L460 and that's not just because of the hybrid system, it's also because the engine itself is actually larger than the LS460 plus there's a lot more standard equipment in the 600. The big advantage is the LS600HL can operate nearly silently and it's a smoother overall ride. The battery does consume a lot of space in the trunk. If it were a Li-Ion battery, it would have made the car more practical and more fuel efficient.

[@jamesalles139]

good info. take away: a charged battery is a happy battery!

[@nofyfb123]

But not charged 100%!

[@zhul1988]

My 2018 Camry le hybrid now running perfectly with 125k miles. I just changed the battery air filter.

[@Webgobo]

My new EU Camry is NiMH. I was quite suprised!

[@pointsource1]

So glad I switched from Honda to Toyota !

[@mannycali334]

I just ordered a 2022 rav4 hybrid comes with NMH battery. I'm starting to reconsider it.

[@normfromga]

I had a 2008 Prius with a NiMH, and now have a 2019 Prius with a Li-ion. I might not have loss any hauling capacity, though I certainly didn't see the improvement that the CCN would claim, and I loss a spare tire, replaced with big styrofoam block containing a can of stop-leak and an electric air pump. My old car also had a nice tray that over the tires where a few emergency tools and supplies could be stored. Not any more. However they did provide a set of tires that supposedly can get me a hundred miles without air.

[@nakataara]

i have both, RAV4 Hybrid 2019 and Yaris Hybrid 2013

[@stevegorkowski3246]

I have two 2017 Prius lithium ion batteries. The weight is high for the size of the lithium battery watt/hour rating. I think this was designed in so the cells stay cool. I feel the pack was over designed and should last for a very long time.

[@77.88.]

Toyota gives less replacement warranty regarding the Lithium Ion battery pack when compared to the Nickle Metal Hydride which has had a extended mileage warranty regardless of years if my memory is correct? I will keep my 2013 Prius also I added the Toyota battery fan external filter about 5 months ago, I checked it the other day and it is clean as a whistle and I live in S.E. Oklahoma where we have more dirt than cement; Yup you heard correctly.

[@joshmccarty8800]

If I lived in let’s say Arizona I would be skeptical of lithium ion batteries. It’s around 130 f they can go into thermal runaway flames and toxic off gassing. If it’s 110 outside it can easily be 130 inside the car. At the very least that heat is significantly deteriorating them.

[@nordicpride9708]

Doesn’t happen. Toyota has proving grounds in Arizona and they do grueling tests on all their cars there including the Prius. These issues have been considered by engineers. I always hear people talk about the “heat”. Modern cooling systems don’t break a sweat, even in the summer.

[@joshmccarty8800]

@@nordicpride9708 I’m sure engineers have it figured out and there’s something I’m missing but as far as I know “modern cooling systems” aren’t running when the car is turned off. And even if they are what if you leave the car at the airport and go on vacation for a month without it plugged in. Plus heat alone degrades batteries and the “modern cooling system” can’t possibly run 24/7 or at what point are you waisting a shit tun of energy and at what cost. Also cold can damage these batteries as well.

[@davidzajano1983]

Very nicely done however the risk of a fire or battery explosion was not touched upon. There are numerous reports of cell phones, computers, e-cigarettes, electric skateboards, electric cars and even a commercial airliner that succumbed to lithium battery fires. Aside from charging issues isn't there a considerably higher risk of fire if a lithium battery case is punctured in an accident? How concerned should we be about that?

[@TheCarCareNut]

The risk is low in hybrids because of their construction and the area where the battery is located in

[@kylehurlbrink]

This is a concern engineers will have to figure out just as they did with gasoline. Especially with EVs in the future. Or hydrogen!

[@chip9832]

08 rx4 h .. hybrid battery graphic went down two purple bars only once recently. Maybe hot day can't remember.i feel like probably it's ok ,no need to worry.

[@glassesstapler]

Thanks for another great, informative video! Explained everything well.

[@ereinaud]

Thank you for your truthfulness.

[@KaluNatt]

Hi. It is just off-topic but i want to share it with you guys. I had ford escape hybrid 2011. It had 500k Miles on it ( all driven by myself ) i never changed hybrid battery of that vehicle. It was original battery that never went bad. It has One of the best hybrid battery and hybrid system ever built. The secret behind it is , One mechanic told me ford installed a separate cooling system to keep the battery cool. Man, those ford escape hybrid batteries are built to last forever. Ford stopped making ford escape hybrid in 2012 and now they came up with 2021 ford escape hybrids. Don't know if they are still using the same technology in new ford escape hybrids as they had in previous ford escape hybrids. And guys believe me i have seen one ford escape hybrid 2010 with 700k ( 7 hundred thousand) Miles with original hybrid battery.

[@flagmichael]

Toyotas also have a hybrid battery cooling system. That is the one that has the filter the CCN told us about.

[@TheCarCareNut]

I’ll look into it if there’s anything different with the battery cooling on Ford hybrids vs Toyota hybrids

[@KaluNatt]

@@flagmichael yes toyota has cooling system too but ford escape hybrid had more sophisticated system. Hybrid battery went bad On my Camry hybrid 2013 at around 125k miles.

[@KaluNatt]

@@TheCarCareNutGreat.. but please note that Not all ford hybrids are same. Please look specifically Ford Escape Hybrids 2012 and earlier. Thanks

[@atx-cvpi_99]

The Ford Escape Hybrid was replaced by the C-MAX in 2013 and was discontinued in 2018 and then replaced by the 2020 Escape Hybrid.

[@davewebster1627]

If you have more weight for batteries or any other weight, it should not change the mpg because all of the kinetic energy speeding up and climbing hills etc, is recovered to the batterie when stopping or braking down a hill

[@sladecooper5405]

Haven’t the Prius cars used lithium ion since 2015? That would give us some track record. Any updates on the batteries since this video was made?

[@mana9013]

Been looking for this vid

[@andrew.e9286]

I have LION battery in my Corolla . 300k km and no problem

[@lji2000]

They could've had a eMPG leader by keeping the Li-ion in the LE models rather than NiMH, but sales possibly might've been skewed towards the LE

[@johngalv9288]

Thanks for the video! I'd like to get a Prius Hybrid new but not available now or hard to get unless you want to pay a premium, which I do not.

[@A_Canadian_In_Poland]

I once had planned to build an e-bike with NiMH batteries mounted on a rear rack due to the fact that NiMH may be taken on public transport without restriction--another edge use case.

[@vodamark]

When you say that Li-Ion batteries don't like being warm... Do you mean only when the car is running or also if it's just parked, but in hot environment? Let's say you're on vacation and it's really hot & sunny for your entire stay. Will your car being parked there harm the battery?

[@bogdanmongol9518]

Not harm, but not so good. It is best not to leave your car in the summer sun, even if it's a normal car. Think about your phone, if is stays in the sun when it's charging, it will become very hot and will stop charging for saftey. Avoid if is posible. I always trying to park my car in a shadow place. Even before having a hybrid.

[@vodamark]

@@bogdanmongol9518 Well, if it isn't good, then it's doing harm. So which one is it? I don't think comparing it to your phone is a good comparison. Phones last 2, maybe 3 years and then you change them; and are very cheap compared to the hybrid battery. Sure, you don't want to park a car in the sun, even a non-hybrid. But it still doesn't answer my question - does parking the car in the sun harm the hybrid battery. Or, in other words, does the hybrid battery need to be kept cool only while the car is turned on, or at all times. Heck, sometimes you don't have any other option than to park it in the sun on a hot day, if you for example travel to a busy touristy area.

[@bogdanmongol9518]

@@vodamark You can park your car in the sun if you don't have other options. You will not harm the battery. But, when you drive it's manadatory to use the AC to cool down the battery.

[@TheCarCareNut]

As bogdan mentioned and I second, using the AC is almost mandatory when the car was left under direct sun light. The battery is well covered and typically doesn’t get direct sun light but it will be hot enough where it might require immediate cooling.

[@Anomize23]

Pretty much bad for those of us in the south west desert. Our 12volt batteries already dont last more than 3 years if you dont have a garage sitting in the hot desert sun. Sometimes 2 years at most. A triple A TOW truck driver saod to me its the most calls they get out in this heat when i had to replace my battery.

[@billbrimmer1739]

Great review. Much appreciated.

[@donkirk5433]

I would say they will all move over to Solid State Batterie's :)

[@walterromero7333]

thank you for all the the good info

[@mickjager5974]

A friend recently had to replace the battery in a I believe 2009 Prius. He blamed his daughter because she didn't drive it for about 6 months. I thought maybe the dealer was making up bs to him, but I had heard this of Ni-metal hydride used on hand tools, so maybe so. And as far as weight, all cars are more efficient with less weight, even gas only. As far as lithium life, isn't that what Teslas have been running the whole time? What's their life time?

[@Normambo]

Hello Mr AMD, just got a brand new HH 2021 with a NiMH battery. My question: is it normal that the charge never exceeds 6/8ths ( 6 bars out of 8)?

[@TheCarCareNut]

Hi! That’s normal. You’d really have to be deliberate in your braking to see full bars then as soon as you touch the throttle it’ll drop one.

[@77.88.]

Nickle Metal Hydride batteries in electric tools seem to last longer than Lithium Ion batteries?

[@TheCarCareNut]

That’s one of my worries as well. That’s why I mentioned no track record for the lithium ion.

[@mobilegamersunite]

For realz!

[@AllenReinecke]

I've found the Li-ion batteries last longer than the older NiMH batteries and of course have more power. My old batteries lost charge relatively quickly after cycling and while you could bring them back to life, that worked only for a while. I've had Li-ion batteries for several years that just keep going and going in comparison. Shelf life is great. The performance with brushless motors and 40V+ batteries is impressive and now very usable, effectively replacing problematic gas engines.

[@yolyhandy4719]

Eye opening! I always thought that Li-Ion was too unstable because of they are made with a liquid electrolyte inside a casing that can become unstable at high temperatures. Will Solid state batteries start to replace NiMH or Li-ion soon? Especially for plug in hybrids that have been periodically recalled because of thermal runaway.

[@GrandPrix46]

The Volt has been using lithium ion batteries since 2011, going 200k isn't a big deal for them.

[@kamalgunawardana8211]

Thanks for the Information. I've 2008 Lexus rx400h, can I replace the NIMH Taction battery to Lion

[@roadstar499]

which one will get the most miles if you drive 300-400 miles every week and never let car sit dormant ... i know performance goes to the lithium battery as well lighter weight...thax..

[@jabajaabsoona315]

I don't understand English and I just want to know which one is better to buy?

[@PaulLebow]

Adding to previous questions - from what you said the Li needs different computer control than the NiMH. If so, are the Li replacements offered going to be a problem?

[@ricky4673]

Your forgetting a very important factor for nimh. Cold climates can absolutely destroy l-ion. The l-ion can have a heating system that can help but you didn't discuss that and I have no idea if Toyota does that.

[@rayvelez2310]

I have a 2016 Toyota Avalon limited hybrid what type of battery does it have in it and how do I go cleaning the fan as a DIY rental maintenance

[@johncrosby2131]

What does Toyota have in the EV pipeline. As an example moving up to a 4Runner.

[@jpmalopes]

The Li-Ion battery uses cobalt in the composition. Despite being the default now, they have environmental and societal problems associated with cobalt extraction and processing. Also Lithium mines are typically open sky and are source of environmental concerns. Countries supplying Li and Co (especially Co) are relatively few which in the future may cause even bigger problems than oil. Li-Ion has also the highest energy density among batteries for cars on the market. Thus they are more efficient under normal operating conditions. Solid-state technology is currently super expensive and super unstable for mass production. 100% electric cars cannot use NiMh just because of weight.

[@chomoy10904]

Hi. How can i change my steering wheel on my 2020 corolla hybrid? Should i disconnect the hybrid battery or just the 12v battery? Whats the procedure? Thanks

[@TAMPA234]

What is the hybrid battery maintenance on a 2007 LS600HL ?

[@ronrosen5731]

I've seen many of your videos and I've heard you mention to be careful with liquids on the back seat but what about water splashing up from below when you go through puddles. Is it sealed differently from below?

[@beanapprentice1687]

Modern Ni-MH batteries do not self discharge quickly. They only lose a few % per month. Also they do not have a memory effect, this is a myth.

[@solooverland3666]

I’m a simple man - I see an AMD video, I click 👍🏼 Then I watch and learn - always!!!

[@peterpark8722]

YES! I have a 2021 Corolla Hybrid Sedan one order that will get here in Australia in August . Have learned so much from AMD - Latest video on Pre Delivery Service tells me what to check when I pick it up - MAGIC!

[@nofyfb123]

I don't consider myself "simple" but I do the same thing.

[@ttrueplaya]

Yes sir

[@jdwar11]

No doubt it will be amazing and relevant content that at minimum increases my knowledge and understanding

[@samiam20024]

Did other manufacturers have battery filters

[@dimitermarchev9040]

I switched 2020 Toyota Corolla Hybrid with 2021 Toyota Corolla Hybrid because of Blind Spot Monitor function in new one. It turned out the the new one has lithium ion battery, as well. Guys, I can tell you that lithium ion battery is the way to go because the car has even better gas mileage. I average 55-65 MPG between months of March-November. During winter, gas mileage goes down by 5 MPG due to heater working more often, but it still gives me around 50 MPG. This is incredible gas savings!

[@gloomweed318]

The heater doesn't use battery. It uses the heat from the engine that is circulated to the coolant and circulated to your cabin. And the fan to blow the hot air inside is negligible at best for how much watts it uses. Li-Ion does get worse range in cold or hot environments, its just how it is

[@7thsoneli]

I have a 2021 corolla hybrid the battery is lithium ion according to the sticker under the hood,your better mileage is from improvements in the engine and thinner oil.I live in North Dakota winters here are bitter nimh is supposed to be more stable in the cold.My mileage goes from 46 down to 40 in the winter.

[@jonnybravo420]

@@gloomweed318 The engine has to run more in the winter to keep the engine warm, it has nothing to do with the battery, it's just how it is.

[@gloomweed318]

@@jonnybravo420 i suppose you are correct in the regard that the engine will force start more often to maintain heat in the coolant, but at the same time the effect should be miniscule because the coolant is very insulated due to its location in the engine bay. The thermostat valve would keep itself closed to prevent coolant from running to the radiator if the effect you are trying to achieve is bringing heat into the cabin. I had to change out a few that were either stuck open or stuck closed, and stuck closed is worse because thats how you get engine overheating. But stuck open, your heater does not work in winter time and in a non hybrid you wont notice a gas difference since its constantly running, but in a hybrid i can see why that would affect the mpg.

[@noname-yb5jt]

I have a 2020 purchased May 2020. Has the nickel metal hydride. Averaging 59.9mpg since new. Was Averaging 68mpg the first 5 tanks.

[@normanvolion2273]

I have a a 2008Prius over 400000 mile on the original battery! Took it to the dealer I bought it brand new! Was told I drive it a lot so the battery is all way's hot by driving it a lot! I found a company to put me a new rebuilt battery life time warranty for $1500.00... dealer want over $3000.00 one year warranty!!! God Bless!🙏🙏🙏

[@treylyde999]

Where did you get the new one sir

[@kenvik-q5t]

Always look for third party hybrid battery replacement, even if it’s refurbished than over-paying with the new Toyota/Lexus dealer

[@vhvostik]

What dealer changes hybrid batteries for $3000???? More like $6000. $2000-$3000 is what third party charges for hybrid battery replacement. $1500 is what you pay if you want to replace it yourself. I know because I just shopped around and replaced mine in my Camry.

[@anthonyharvey5250]

You impressed me again CCN, your informative video is simple and top of the class. Thanks 🙏🏾 dude, much blessings much love ❤️

[@bronkdog]

My friend has a 2012 Prius plug in. (Lithium battery). The car has 500k miles original battery.

[@chuckhursch5374]

Appreciate you giving me the heads up in another video awhile back about keeping that battery filter screen and fan clean of lint and debris. The Toyota dealer we take our gen III 2013 Prius to for maintenance does not have that filter/fan on their maintenance checklist. So after some 200K miles of Lyft and Uber driving, I dug into the fan/filter scene last fall to find there was a thick layer of lint on the screen, and the fan was somewhat dirty. I cleaned it all out - the screen is easy, with the fan extraction being a bit harder for me since I had to be real careful not to break those delicate little wires on the fan’s power plug. I now plan on my own maintenance for this of cleaning once a year in the spring before it gets to the summer heat. I’m also now watching the battery pack, MG1/MG2, engine coolant temp, etc with the Torque Pro app. Last summer when outside air temperatures got over 100deg, even up over 110 here in Sac, CA, I noticed that the regen braking acted somewhat different, like bringing in the friction brakes sooner, so I don’t know if the car was protecting the battery pack or MG1/2 or what was going on. Needless to say, I don’t see the battery pack temp going that high, maybe 10-20 deg over cabin temp after several hours of driving. MG1/2 temps do get a lot warmer than I initially anticipated, being right up there at engine coolant temp of about 170-180 degF. Battery voltages are all even within 0.1V, and capacity seems reasonable, tho probably not as great as when the car was newer. Best car I’ve ever owned: very reliable, no significant problems, 50-60 mpg most of the time when Uber/Lyft driving (car fully warmed up), tho mpg takes a big hit down into the 40s when the outside temps get up to 100+ 🌞.

[@SIIKAP1]

This was a great topic for a video.

[@landshass2849]

3 weeks ago I bought my 2021 Camry hybrid Le with lithium ion battery. I'm getting around 55 MPG. That is better than my 2013 Prius. It's worth to mention that even though the Le trim is a stripped down model, you still can get heated seats and heated steering wheel if you ask for cold weather package, and that's the one I got Finally, you can get a Toyota with heated seats without paying extra for bills and whistles that you don't need like moonroof and leather seats. Just look for cold weather package and a Camry LE, and you will thank me. It's only $1,300 extra because it also includes the blind spot monitor with rear cross traffic alert.

[@videodavay]

Congratulations! Did a few times 3.5 l/100km (that is about 67.2mpg) on my LE on a 130-160 round trip. Love it.

[@BronteVentura]

I couldn’t get that package because of the pandemic. They said they aren’t doing anymore factory orders :(

[@donkirk5433]

Hi Land Shass I have purchased 3 weeks ago my new Toyota Corolla 1.8 Sports Estate Lithium Ion Battery and I am getting around 65 miles combined Electric & Petrol. From Northern Ireland UK

[@beedee9534]

My Prius got 68 mpg

[@alext8828]

@@BronteVentura They never did factory orders. They will try to find one for you with the options you need.

[@dustintobler9840]

08 prius nimh going strong still 15 yrs later and 250k. Still all original and I live where it gets minus 50 Celsius in the winter in saskachewan canada

[@vuhuynh702]

my dad's "Camry LE Hybrid 2018" bought it on August/2018 and now has 250.000 miles because he uses it to do a delivery job. run and nothing happen now. just change the oil every 5 or 6k miles.

[@SilverIndian]

One of the best videos you ever made. Congratulations I have the NiHM battery at my car.

[@thomascoolidge2161]

Hey so curious if you have enough information to make a better opinion if the Li-Ion batteries are better/worse than the NiMH? As I understand the Li-Ion have better MPG than the NiMH overall.

[@protagonist9716]

Lithium Ion are way better now, the technology has moved at insane speed and this Toyota guy should do a new video calling out Toyota as they still use NiMH

[@paulstein9258]

Good explanations. Glad my Venza Limited has a Li-Ion. Getting 45 mpg driving conservatively.

[@kenvik-q5t]

Just a great video, absolutely helpful in putting this issue NiMeH vs. Li-ion battery to bed. As this great mechanic tells you, which type of hybrid battery should not be even a consideration when considering a Toyota/Lexus hybrid vehicle. There are pluses and minuses first both, but size and weight is the only major difference when Toyota/Lexus took in mind installing in one model vs. other. I have experienced in a couple of hybrids already how NiMeH battery tend to self-discharge itself especially when sitting for prolonged time. And when with time the NiMeH battery start holding the charge even less and less more frequently - then it’s a signal that one should consider replacing the battery sooner rather than later. But Car-Care-Nut pointed it out - NiMeH battery has a longer track of usage, so the longevity, and more stable in more extreme low and high temp, less expensive to replace in comparison with newer generation Li-ion battery. He did not mentioned that theoretically (since the software management of this car battery will not allow that) Li-ion battery are flammable.

[@LoneWolfZ]

can you imagine a prime with NiMH? The whole inside would be battery and you'd have to upgrade the suspension to hold it up.

[@kunalpatel9681]

Hi AMD, really enjoying watching your videos, very informative. I have question about battery change. Can NiMH be changed to Li-Ion in same car? Can this be an option at the time to change the hybrid battery? Thank you,

[@kabukidreamboy]

Technically it should be possible but you'd have to reprogram the software side I'd imagine.

[@Saladon89]

lol i have experience with nimh battery. the memory effect is the worst, my shaver has nimh and i kept charging and charging and then eventually after about 3 yrs can barely hold any charge, i hav a lith-ion shaver, going to see how long that lasts me

[@funlovingJohn]

I am thinking of replacing my OEM 12V 56ah battery with a 12V lithium 60ah battery, in my 2018 Toyota hybrid. Since there is no high current requirements like a starter motor, it's a just low current 12V system. The price has droped on 12V lithium batteries to a point of buying one on Amazon for about $100. What do you think?

[@jimthumerzs6981]

I'd rather err on the side of caution until the lithium ion batteries have as long of a good reliability track record as the Nickel Metal Hydride. Peace of mind is well worth the price of a few MPGs.

[@Pianistp3]

Great video. As a Prius owner I really enjoyed it!

[@aamiryousuf90]

Same goes for me as a Camry '18 hybrid owner

[@tardeliesmagic]

Hope to get a 2011 Auris with 121,000m,nicely looked after too.

[@rightlanehog3151]

AMD, Nickel Metal Hydride for me, I will take its decades long and proven track record over the 'new kid on the block' Lithium Ion ;-)

[@volvo09]

Lithium ion packs for hybrids and ev's are quite reliable. There's a group of people who re use them for solar storage and projects out of crashed ev's and hybrids and the degradation on them is usually very minimal. EXCEPT the nissan leafs that used un-cooled packs, those are usually 50% worn or more, terrible. Everything else has been in awesome shape, near new capacities, even with lots of miles.

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@volvo09 My 'Toyota' looks like it will last another decade so the debate may be irrelevant by then. If I was shopping today, I would buy a RAV4 LE or Highlander Hybrid with the Nickel battery.

[@James-il3tq]

NMH for me here in Canada where they perform and last longer in cold temps ❄

[@mobilegamersunite]

Nickle in my Lexus RX 400H it's 15 years old and works great.

[@henryhonda8408]

My new Rav4 XSE hybrid has the nickel metal Hydride batteries. Way up here in cold Sudbury, Ontario. My previous 2019 Honda Insight hybrid (purchased in July 2018) had Lithium Ion batteries and when it was under -25C which was often in the winter, the instrument panel would light up with warnings and things didn't work too well until the car warmed while driving which would sometimes take up to an hour. I'm happy Toyota puts NiMH in all Rav4 hybrids sold in Canada.

[@rickt2419]

Buy one of this (with NiMH) AND one of that (with Li-Ion) then enjoy the best of both worlds and Toyota will love ya too... ;)

[@ClaudeBrunette]

Best explanation I had for a while. Your way of keeping thin simple is very appreciated. It explains a lot about how the battery works in my Highlander hybrid. Thank you.

[@SmellyT0fu]

NiMH heats up too quick. As I’ve mentioned to you AMD, I suffer from heat soak (it’s autumn here so temps at < 20C) particularly when going down a hill once or twice, park it in the shade and it heats up above the 44C threshold. The Li ion (I have a 2012 Prius v 7 seater with Li ion) charges up quick but that’s because it has a lower capacity. It also stood the test of time being reliable and doesn’t heat up above any threshold.

[@marcofreitas5321]

I guess if you suffer from extreme temperatures where you live, IMO the best choice is to use the AC to maintain temperature inside the car. And with that, also the battery pack.

[@MrGIO326]

hello i have 2 camry Le and Xle le its very fast and very good temperaru battery lIon but Xle its very slow and down mpg and very heath battarry temperature

[@keithpvbatt2040]

NIMH is 800 cycles low power and a Lipoe4 is 7000 cycles with a 1/10th the internal resistance and passes the nail test end of story. Toyota and EVs = joke.

[@GaryParks]

I have to say the 2021 Camry LE Hybrid delivers. I'm getting 52.5 mpg in the city, when I try to drive sane. Sport mode is addictive though and is a hoot. 46 mpg is normal for me when I indulge in Sport Mode regularly. I'm curious, has anyone here done the lithium project replacement lithium ion battery cells for older Toyota hybrids. $1800-2300 for new lithium cells to completely rebuild your battery seem like an interesting proposition. I imagine there is some bms magic going on in the cells in order to play nicely with the car software.

[@JD-ml7cg]

New battery from dealer $1,900. You get best warranty and it can last more than 200k miles

[@uzefix]

I like your videos but not sure where you get your info on the NI-MH batteries. Self discharge of these is very low. I have on my shelf a battery that i got out of prius 3 and for a full year it got from 7.83 to 7.76 across all the 28 of the modules. And the other stuff for the computer that manages the battery from 30 to 80 percent charge/discharge is done so the battery can have the 10 year lifespan. Please do a test personally before you post something. It is a huge responsibility to make videos. Don't mislead people because you didn't have the time to do proper research.

[@littlet7556]

I have a new 2023 Rav4 Hybrid XLE heading to the dealer. The VIN lookup states it has a NiMH battery. Thanks for all the great information on the Toyota vehicles!

[@mrc79]

Our Prius plug in 2014 used to have 14.1 miles full charge. After 7 years and 95k miles, fully charged ink 9.6 miles

[@nofyfb123]

Not sure it's such a good thing - has battery capacity diminished?

[@mrc79]

@@nofyfb123 definitely has gone down. Mileage overall is worse too.