What is the difference between the brain and the mind? | J. Krishnamurti

Bombay (Mumbai) 1984 - Question #5 from Question and Answer Meeting #1
'What is the difference between the brain and the mind?'
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[@mnh1078]

Believe me he was the most precious person in humen history....

[@makarana21]

He and Nikola Tesla too. :)

[@bipinbhusal250]

I believe him.

[@somduttshukla6262]

Thats 100% true

[@chandraraj9803]

Learn to spell human first before making ridiculous statement.

[@narayanasastry8055]

@@chandraraj9803 that shows ur arrogance bro. Be cool and tell ur opinion without the interference of ur ego.

[@dalailamadel1971]

The mind is not a physical thing ... it is empty but contains everything....without colour feeling or form ..it is like a mirror

[@vineet5678]

agreed but not like a mirror, and not empty its like nothing (nothing here does mean nothing)

[@SudhirDudeja]

I guess this what comes when one is enlightened, I never thought such state exist, which is actually natural lol how fake we are.

[@vigneshoff]

Mind helps you to be human. Since we don't use mind we are actually sub-humans. What we are using is just intellect, cognition. Love, compassion is missing, which is part of the mind that faces life.

[@renukatandon7463]

Beautifully explained a complex relationship in a simple manner.Thanks k

[@12345678967090]

Brilliant.

[@markbrad123]

Wow, so mellow

[@raj_kundalia]

Watched on 10th October, 2021 - thanks for the video.

[@allpointstoone4346]

very great

[@nandadasavidanagamage4995]

THE TRUTH OF LIFE

[@dreamingdreamerdream]

The psychoanalysts will love this clip. A beautiful gem indeed

[@lethikanaga1725]

Nice man

[@crazylikeatiger8896]

I want to hug him

[@joshuaaz-s0737]

Mind of the brain is 1 like our mind,body an soul,thank for thee idews ma buhas individuality teaches 1 of being 1 ,peace and love

[@NicoleHorlor]

yes

[@emptyspace3708]

Only a sensitive mind has the capable to understand j's message.

[@return60]

I suppose the question can be addressed this way. The brain (with its associated body) being made of matter (molecules and atoms) is a machine, a very complex one with incredible capabilities but still a machine. Being made of matter it can function only in the material world, receiving inputs from and act upon that world through its own sensory perception and physical means. The brain's consciousness is limited to what is in its stored memory. The mind, or intelligence, is immaterial, universal and omnipresent. It is not limited to any particular brain. When a brain is completely silent, intelligence can fully operate through it and that brain gets a glimpse of the limitless. The relationship is crudely analogous to a car and its driver, or a computer and the person operating it; they are of two completely different things. A car or a computer can ask the question "what is the nature of the entity out there that appears to interact with me but that seems to be out of the scope of my experience?" The answer for sure won't come the car or the computer running through its own mental stipulation.

[@saurabh32able]

Then why that limitless conciousness choose to be trapped inside a limited body with limited brain ?

[@MrAditya790]

@@saurabh32able Perhaps It is just an illusion. Just like the sun with its sunshine exists by itself and its reflection is caused and seen on flowing river water similarly limitless consciousness reflects on our limited brain.

[@natenisbet]

@@saurabh32able To experience itself!

[@chandraiahsetty7429]

@@MrAditya790 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@markbrad123]

Really quite phenomenal how K has no forehead wrinkles and is incredibly coherent given his age here. Such is the benefit of a Vegetarian diet.

[@sanekabc]

Quite an unsubstantiated assumption there.

[@lifeisgooooooood2920]

Can see equal and even better results from carnivores.

[@dason5408]

Mind is the experience of the brain. Hardware and Software

[@AmarnathGiduthuri]

You are synonymously right. Something more for you to check. You can observe the mind right how it's thinking, whether you're anygry, happy..what is observing the Mind in this case?

[@denniswilkerson5536]

@@AmarnathGiduthuri You wouldn't be observing the mind, you'd be observing the effects of the mind, it's impossible to observe the mind because it's not material

[@konradswart4069]

So the brain is the hardware, and the mind is the software? If that is so, the software needs the hardware to fully exist. A computer program not running on a computer only exists as some form of writing, whether on paper or on a hard disk. BTW I _do agree_ with you if you say that the brain is hardware, and the mind is software. It makes the whole speech of K understandable in a way he probably would not agree with. I have the impression, that K thinks that the mind is some actually existing and active something outside of the brain. Like some 'ghost outside of the machine'. But if I assume that the brain is hardware, and the mind is software, then, indeed, the hardware can only accept the software if no other software is running. So the computer must have enough working memory to accept yet another piece of software to run. Also, the mind is limitless can also be understood. There might be, and there actually are, computer programs that, when running sufficiently long, will produce _any_ series of zeroes and ones of _any_ length. Such computer programs are called _universal programs._ And they are surprisingly small. I have written one that contained only 3 rules of code. So this program, when running indefinitely, produces _all forms of information_ whether it is nonsensical or not. Such a computer program would then be the equivalent of a limitless mind.

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

No, the mind is the owner of the hardware and the software.

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

@@konradswart4069 I have the impression, that K thinks that the mind is some actually existing and active something outside of the brain. Like some 'ghost outside of the machine'. --------------------------------------------------- You are right. And what you name "software" K. called "conditioning".

[@thinkforyourself101]

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[@Prakashbphappy]

brain - what we use out of the mind, part of the mind. mind - when brain is formatted with all the knowledge / feelings, experience, it is afresh. Both are same. Just the words differ.

[@lopytube9623]

sounds like your coming from a western perspective,I'm I wrong? Almost as if your saying the mind can be tangibly found.

[@rjcinco6098]

The spelling is different to "

[@patriciasweeney1054]

I feel the brain is the "physical" part of human that cohabits with the eternal you/soul.In my humble opinion.☺

[@chandanijha7506]

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[@arthursanchez9346]

The brain functions as a mirror for the physical universe. It is wholly conditioned. It only relays information to the mind and from the mind to the senses, like a mirror. It does not think. It vibrates as an instrument of the mind, the thinker. The brain is atomic, solid. The mind is energetic, fluid. The brain functions in the third dimension, the mind in the second dimension. The first dimension is the ego in which a single continuous thread of thought begins. It is the "I" consciousness, the individual. "I think, therefore, I am" is a statement of the ego identifying with the mind. But, if the mind can be made silent, placid, like the still surface of a lake, then this "I" consciousness, this ego, would realize that it still exists, even when the mind ceases to think. It would realize that the reverse of Descartes' axiom is true. "I am, therefore, I think." Anyway, the function of the mind is to think, to concentrate, to focus and to will. The function of the brain is simply to vibrate, to relay information to the mind from the sense organs and vice versa, just like a mirror, but this mirror is three dimensional because the mind surrounds the brain, like a fish is surrounded by water. This is how consciousness manifests. It is the condensation of living energy. The whole of the physical universe is encompassed by the mind.

[@margaretsmith163]

+Arthur Sanchez the brain is not solid.. nothing is.... give up that one. Nothing is solid... it is energy attraction only. There is no 2nd dimension the mind functions in.. dimension is a level of conscious awareness... there is no place in dimension.. you will have a brain until you no longer need a body and you become MIND/Spirit. 4th dimension is NOW and you still have your brain.. right? 4th dimension is that level of consciousness where you have to get off the fence and learn to think for you need NO brain to think at all.... and never did. Ego is the mind that comes with your meat suit and each life you have to condition it... to respond to your higher mind.. .which is what incarnates as you.

[@corpuscallosum4677]

+Margaret Smith Very insightful but I believe k's talking more than the 4th dimension and the "you" incarnating. Mind, pathless land, Godhead, is a quantum arena that's limitless, no numerical, no time/space, but where pure joy, clarity, lucidity, omnipresence and omniscience dwell. Only through transcending individual egos can we have a glimpse of this Indivisibility REALITY that most sages trod and tried to tell us but hard for us time/space bounded humans to comprehend. Thanks for posting.

[@neguinhodavs]

stop daying individual "egos" fuck off with this hippie nonsense. It is individual self.

[@neguinhodavs]

+Clara Chen and you have no proof that this arena is "love, peace,clarity,indivisibiloty and bla bla

[@carlosvelasquez9007]

the same thing Jesus Christ said about carrying our "cross" , the cross the heavy load is our ego and if we become aware of how foolish is our ego (cross) only then the brain can meet the Mind/intelligence/God

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

Yes, "take your "cross" and follow Me" but not, "throw away your ego and be free". ))))))))

[@vedadityabakshi9473]

The person like Jiddu krishnamurti born only once in a yug

[@jaideep5613]

Mind is outside the brain, Yes. Vedhathri maharishi also explains the same with more scientific explanations...

[@thesoul6690]

The speaker maybe wrong. It's true he is wrong about being wrong. Create a feeling pinch your self or something then close your eyes and go into the center of that feeling then be only that. What happens?

[@vikas64233]

Past means sanskar

[@vineet5678]

This video gives an answer to the question of Who am I?

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

It's more like asking the question, "Are you the mind or the brain?"

[@sumitb1]

Currently u r content of ur brain

[@timothywait9457]

i would like to sea Krishnamurti and Richard Dawkins

[@shashankaadiga4969]

Krishna Murthy is not alive 🙄

[@sanekabc]

He says the brain can only understand the mind when the brain is free from its content. What does he mean by "understand"?

[@nwoksh]

Obviously, our brains are presently having this chat and seeking to understand the mind. The brain is fairly well known to itself. Just saying.

[@brynmuza9525]

The mind is Infinite wherez the brain is too small to handle the mind such that it has to be emptied first

[@nwoksh]

The mind is an abstraction, a product of the brain, and so is the ego. Even enlightenment is a deft abstraction.

[@brynmuza9525]

@@nwoksh I'm not sure how you are comparing the mind and the ego?

[@nwoksh]

@@brynmuza9525Is the ego not a substratum of the mind?

[@nwoksh]

The mind is an abstraction, a product of the brain, and so is the ego. Even enlightenment is a deft abstraction.

[@konradswart4069]

I know from my own experience, that enlightenment is not an abstraction. When enlightenment ignites, it has some intense side-effects. It has a rhythm, feelable pulse. It causes pressure waves to run through your entire body, which can be, at some times, very painful. K himself felt that. Sometimes he unexpectedly passed out, because the waves of Kundalini were just too much. To minimize these unpleasant effects of Kundalini, he submitted himself to a regime of 2 hours of Yoga per day. He never spoke of these side-effects. They were observed by those around them, but they did not understand that these were side-effects of enlightenment.

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

The mind is an abstraction, a product of the brain ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The brain is not able to experience the mind so the brain creates an abstraction of the mind. But it doesn't mean that there is no mind. The brain just can't know the mind. The mind is the end of knowledge. ))))))

[@carlosvelasquez9007]

Brain: Hi mind how are you ? Mind: I'm great and I'm glad you got rid of your cross so we could become ONE

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

The brain is not aware of the mind and could never be. Period.

[@bluesun9072]

mirror m1nd

[@DrNO0]

झट समझ नी आया कुछ ।

[@coreyallen1987]

where does consciousness come from if this man says God doesn't exist?

[@saurabh32able]

Same question for your god ? Where did he come from?

[@KrishnaKumar-qx1mk]

@@saurabh32able 😂😂

[@igorchemmykelly7202]

where does consciousness come from? --------------------------------------------- Consciousness is an illusion. The brain creates the illusion of consciousness. The mind is real and it was never created.

[@thinkforyourself101]

He never said that

[@chandraraj9803]

11 minutes of getting no where with JK's ramblings. He would feel embarrassed had he have the opportunity to listen to this circular explanation. Lol.

[@esefossesincero]

Bullshit. I am a neuroscientist and you better take some neuroscience 101 before accepting this BS.

[@peterzemanek2080]

André da Silva .. may be u r neurosciencist, but certainly u r on wrong pages, you better go to no bullshit holly crystal objective truth pages to dream your "I know better" personal illusion ;)

[@faithrada]

André da Silva Anyone who has had a validated OBE understands immediately that the non-local/non-physical mind is not the same as the physical brain. The brain, on its own, had no ability to cognate or reason. The brain acts only as a relay system. It sends messages to the mind and it is the mind which interprets those messages. The mind works WITH the brain to give us 'physical' experiences... however.... the mind exists independent of the brain. The brain eventually dies, while the mind continues to exist and function.. creating other... far more subtle, non-physical experiences. (Consider the mind's Dream State) All experiences take place ONLY within the non-local/non-physical mind. Everything here is Consciousness / Awareness itself This All all-pervasive, infinite, and formless Consciousness becomes the finite, 'individual' mind... and it is the mind then which creates the APPEARENCE of all these *different* forms and experiences where ...where **ultimately** there is no difference in anything. It is the mind which gives FORM to Formless Consciousness. All forms manifest out of Consciousness and then merge back into Consciousness. This entire Universe, and all Universes. are SELF Aware.... they all share the same State of Absolute Consciousness.... the One Unified Field of Awareness.... which is Aware of ALL that IS and IS Not... as Its own Infinite SELF...both within and 'outside' of Time/Space. Note: The term NDE is a bit of a misnomer since one need not be near death OR physically compromised in any way to have one. The moment one's Awareness is able to expand a notable distance beyond one's physical form.... the difference between the non-phyical mind and the physical brain become obvious and indisputable. Before then however it is very difficult to differentiate. & & & At first we are Programmed to identify ONLY with our physical forms, later .... our Awareness expands so that we can identify with our non-physical/non-local, individual mind. Only MUCH Later is our Awareness able to escape / Transcend the finite, 'individual' mind, and REALIZE our TRUE SELF... which is Infinte Consciousness/ pure Awareness ITSELF. The underlying Essence of everything here is scintilating Consciousness....which both supports and permeates all experiential realities of the mind. Put another way.... The One who is seeking IS The One being sought. We are ultimately more than our physical bodies and more than our 'individual' non-physical Mind... we are THAT which is the Source of all minds. We are ALL the *THAT* of - I AM THAT - We, our True SELF, are the only One here... playing all these roles... for the sake of having experiences. One could say ...we are ALL the 'dream' of "God" /All Inclusive Consciousness, caught up in our own SELF imposed 'dream' of NOT God. Eventually we do Wake Up, our Awareness does escape the contracting mind... but not until we are ready to Awaken from our own SELF imposed cosmic game of Hide & Seek. The mind acts much like a VERY sophisticated Virtual Reality machine. Ironically, the basic premise of The Matrix is not really so far off. Ultimately speaking.... there is no "Out There" out there. There is only the mind's EXPERIENCE of an "out there". All universes exist within YOU... who are Infinite Consciousness. This is not something to be Believed... that's just more Mind stuff. One must Realize their Infinite SELF... and that happens ONLY when we are ready. This is the State of Enlightenment or SELF Realization. From the mind's finite pov It's a process... that takes 'Time'. Bottom Line: Learning the difference between the mind and the brain is only step One in a MUCH greater process. Stay Tuned..... ; )

[@faithrada]

Servisna Schranka. yup

[@thinkforyourself101]

Said a limited brain

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