What is the Future of the Rolex Cosmograph Daytona?

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[@arthurluz5356]

Honestly I think no one buys a watch for practicality. That is what I have my phone for. Its design, beauty, feeling and craftsmanship for me that makes a watch. The Daytona checks these boxes for me - I’m absolutely in love with the panda, the gold oysterflex “Paul Newman”, the gold and green (which I liked before the hype as it is the epitome of Rolex for me - the brand’s colours, on the most ubiquitous precious metal, on one of the pinnacle models) and the two-tone white dial. I like a few others as well, but those for me are instant buys at retail. I wouldn’t pay much over though - when you have to shell out so much more than its true worth, it becomes more painful and irresponsible than desirable and enjoyable for me.

[@Martin-pq8mj]

I enjoyed this video. As an owner (and wearer) of the white ceramic, I appreciated your neutral and impartial approach. I have a sneaky suspicion they will relaunch the daytona line in 2023 for the 60th anniversary. It is the only sports model still using the 11xxxx prefix (along with the AK and MG - niche models in the line up that are also due a refresh). The case and dial proportions remain unchanged since 1988. It wears much smaller than the other sports models, barring the 40mm YM, and needs to get bigger for more appeal. It's also the only sports line with such a variety of options. The other sports models have 6/8 options whereas the daytona has some 30+, comparable to the DJ, SkyD and DD. Rolex knows they have a winner with this watch, almost rivalling the nautilus as secondary prices are starting to approach it before it was discontinued. What a coup that is for Rolex, given it is less than half the retail price. If they discontinue it and re-release a new steel daytona, this one will skyrocket in desirability along with any new stele version, again, much like the nautilus is doing, and bring up the rest of the brand with it. In terms of aesthetics, it's not for everyone but I absolutely love mine, as do many others I know. I paid the premium for mine back in 2018 because I loved it so much and despite having had 5 other Rolex' since then, it still remains my favourite by far. I also have no problems reading the time instantly. Great video either way and enjoyed the discussion.

[@marryalen6286]

Thank you Martin. I like your thoughts. I have new panda-non panda white dial and I love it so much. I got directly from AD after waiting for year and I got other 'rare' gold watches in the meantime ( decade loyal customer to this AD only )

[@floydmorrison2025]

When I finally got to check out a Daytona in person, I was quite literally shocked by how small it was. Many years of only seeing it in photos, and it's legendary reputation had acclimated my mind to expect a robust chronograph, but in reality it was positively dainty LOL. Love your thoughtful renders, cool video!

[@ID-Guy]

The size is a mind-blow, right? Great proportions but it's a teeny tiny dial 😆 Personally (I know its subjective) I'd love to see them add 2mm's to it for that extra legibility and presence... maybe that goes against what the watch stands for today? And thank you Floyd!

[@mark4605]

Lol exactly my thoughts. I saw a guy wearing a white Daytona and weren’t sure if it is one because it looked SO small. I was really shocked how small it is in reality, not that I had the chance to look at one before lol

[@ID-Guy]

@@mark4605 It's crazy to think that it's one of the few that has managed to keep those "classic" proportions for so long while models like the Yachtmaster etc. have been beefed to 42mm's and so on. Imagine trying to tell the time with it? 😉

[@ianandrew7010]

I too had the same shock at the size of it 😩

[@arthurluz5356]

I had the EXACT SAME feeling. I tried a two tone Daytona at the dealer the other day and was literally in awe by how incredibly well it wears. I always thought it’d be way too big for me.

[@stefdondee6344]

Great, lots of opinions about the size by people who tried it on 2 minutes. The size is perfect. The steel one is even more elegant then the gold one. I love them.

[@mdleweight]

I wear all of my watches, including the Daytonas. I buy watches to wear, enjoy, and sometimes show off a bit. When the ceramic version came out prices for the pre-ceramic ones began to rise more rapidly. I suspect the same would happen to the current models if Rolex released a re-designed one.

[@PeterZandorff]

I bought the 2016 Daytona 5 months after release when it was only MSRP + 40% and thought "This is a bit too much". When it became summer however, I was amazed how fantastic it looked outside in the sun. Forget about legibility, it looks STUNNING and extremely EXCLUSIVE, especially worn on trendy outside cafees and restaurants and easilly competes with womens jewellery. TRY IT, if you got one! The + 150 % premium now is crazy, but not if you compare with the preivous Daytona models, thinking about the now extremely expensive Zenith models which practically costs nothing, but today is rivalling the 116500LN price wise. Go back further to the 38/39 mm vintage Daytonas and get the real shock, many many were made, still for sale everywhere all over the world, and fetches more than 60.000 USD - complete sets = double the price! And last, but not least the Paul Newman Daytona, only 5-10.000 (= not ESPECIALLY RARE) were made with this particular art deco dial no one wanted when introduced in the 70´s. In Denmark the watch was given away by AD´s free if you bought a Sub or a Datejust (can you imagine?). But the Italians made it famous due to just a single pic with Newman wearing it on the cover of a mens magazine, and the price exploded untill this day. So it´s all just about suply and demand. If Rolex produced all the Daytonas people wanted prices would drop to MSRP, but the iconic Daytona AND the brand would loose it´s exclusivity and it´s luxury status...just like for instance Breitling. And if everybody could buy all the Daytonas they wanted......How interested would you be in buying one?

[@stewester]

Another couple of things I would change: 1. The somewhat blobular hour indices. These are a carry over from the 116520 which is a design very much rooted in the early 2000's. I would sharpen them up and make them thinner. 2. Add proper hash markers to the minute counter for 1, 9, 11, and so on. It just doesn't make sense not to have markers for them from a legibility perspective.

[@ID-Guy]

Those Zenith models were so ahead of their time when we think about that balance and how they arranged the dials. It's baffling that they changed so much. Nicely said 🥃

[@dominicrusho]

They can improve it all they want, but it’ll never top the Moonswatch as the greatest chronograph of all time

[@ID-Guy]

Looking forward to chatting about these machines over the weekend 😉 There's LOTS to love about them

[@dannyg6592]

Well said! I think it is a beautiful watch that wears and looks great on many wrists, but sadly it has become an investment more than a watch.

[@RebirthBeyond]

I love the Daytona for its case design and technical capability. It still has the graceful case that is shared with the Day Date, Datejust, etc., unlike the squared off cases of the Sub, GMTs, etc. The Daytona movement ensures the chrono can run 24/7 with little wear and tear (unlike a Moonwatch for example) and its movement is made of fewer parts than a comparable Zenith. The main thing I dislike about the Daytona is its dial. There is too much text and legibility could be improved. I much prefer chronographs with the 2-regsiter format and 6 o'clock date. The new Speedmaster 57 line is an example of a legible and useful dial. The future of the Daytona will likely include a glidelock-style clasp and perhaps new colours.

[@michaelturner7949]

Another intellectual, eloquent and almost complete description. I wear my black dial model but am disappointed that the steel cases suffer with the right lugs being thinner than the left side. Rolex the difference is within their tolerance but the gold cases have equal sized lugs, hence the case protrudes beyond the bezel. The watch needs a GMT type case and is hard to read and use. "Never was so much hype applied by so many to so one standard model."

[@ID-Guy]

I have to know why the hell they made one side thinner than the other. It was something that slipped my mind in the video that I was supposed to mention... Once you see the difference it's impossible to unsee... Thanks for this Michael (I'm glad there are more than a few who wished for a beefier case) 😉

[@michaelturner7949]

@@ID-Guy You in fact take the time to answer so many comments like few other KZbinrs.

[@ericb8888]

The renders are beautiful , as ever . You’re an artist mate , an artist;)

[@ID-Guy]

Appreciate it as always sir! This was good fun 😉

[@malvagik8953]

In my opinion the 116500ln is the most beautiful watch ever made. I wish i can make my dream true one day

[@00-Fresh-Snow-00]

In other chronograph-related news, an Omega x Swatch Speedmaster will be released for under $300 😅. But seriously, like you said, the Daytona might alter its dimensions by a millimeter or two and have a more legible dial for a future anniversary release...nothing more, nothing less. Rolex won't rock the boat too much with their sportswatch designs; that's why they have Tudor 😁.

[@ID-Guy]

Think I'll do a methodical talk around the MoonSwatch for next week 😉 And agree! Tudor is a brand that now gives us that edge when it comes to "creativity" 🥃

[@mrlong6267]

I own a moonwatch and prefer the legibility and history over the Daytona

[@morganthedruid1]

They lined up the subdials with the old Zenith powered Daytonas and they look so much better

[@ID-Guy]

Wouldn't it be cool? In order to get the render balanced I had to bump up the diameter of the dial and bezel by 2mm's and everything fell into place beautifully 🥃

[@morganthedruid1]

@@ID-Guy That's the answer then, we also need to lose some text but it could end up looking like an elegant watch.

[@Bassingtons]

Another great VLOG. I posted a VLOG 3 months ago on the Daytona and I feel the racing heritage has been lost from this watch. Also I want to see what the time is, or time something, I don't want to read a novel!

[@ID-Guy]

The racing heritage was always such a small part for these to begin with (which is quite hilarious) 😆 But it's that illegibility that gets to us... for a chronograph to be unreadable... Ah, Rolex 🥃

[@Bassingtons]

@@ID-Guy A clean crisp dial always stands the test of time! I said in the VLOG that the original racing Daytona was not successful, consequently Rolex didn't make many! Ah, how times have changed!

[@kevinwall795]

Bought mine from an AD in 2004. Wore it daily for 15 years; gym, gardening, DIY, work, socialising. Never missed a beat. However, now it is worth 7 times what I paid for it, I have replaced it with a £20 plastic digital watch. Unfortunately, the Daytona now lives in its original box and will be sold when I need a new car.

[@markcopeman3552]

You've nailed it as always with your comments and renders. I'd certainly need a larger case. However, like the sub it's popularity on the level it's at I just don't get. All the hype and politics of Rolex has always turned me off. I would though love an explorer 2 with a ceramic bezel as rended in a previous episode , such a clean simple design update you did a great job on that one.

[@ID-Guy]

It's bizarre to me that 6 years ago I got to see the Panda, Exp2's, Subs and GMT's in Harrods... it feels like such a different world now. Often I think back to that day and say "If only I was earning more at the time" 😆 But now the politics and non-stop interest has turned a lot of us away from them (BUT we're not the majority) Thanks as always Mark. Also loved the simple Exp2 🥃

[@Mark..P]

Great video and brilliant points made. This is a gorgeous watch but legibility has always been an issue for me. Sadly the hype has made this a watch that is more often than not, bought for the wrong reasons. Even when a collector buys it to wear, the enjoyment is marred by unscrupulous people wanting to take it from you.

[@ID-Guy]

And it's that double-edged sword of - "I paid X amount, can I now justify wearing this watch?" It's bizarre. Here's hoping that the madness sees an end somehow. It's such a pity that these (Daytona's especially) are now only looked at as "investments" and not great designs to be enjoyed 🥃

[@reedgrabowski8314]

Mark, I would love to own a Daytona. However, my common sense has to prevail. As noted in other comments, there are better and more attainable watches.

[@marryalen6286]

@@ID-Guy not for all of us. I got mine and really enjoy it wearing

[@9er..]

Thanks for not instantly jumping on the new Swatch/Omega Speedmaster wagon.

[@ID-Guy]

Thinking that'll be for next week. A designers proper interpretation on what they've done with materials etc. the pros's, con's of the result and impressions 😉 The clickbaiters need their fix 🥃

[@joker14n]

The red accents around the sub dials really stands out. That could really work with any color combo..sadly i think theres probably only 2 likely options coming from rolex.. ..no change.. or ..discontinue..cuz…well rolex

[@ID-Guy]

Imagine they discontinue the Daytona? The watch world would literally stop on its axis! 😆

[@piso11studio47]

that widening of the lugs is a win for me.. great design taste

[@ID-Guy]

It looks good, right? I was super impressed by how simply they could address it to increase the overall presence (without sacrificing the elegance of the case) 😉🥃

[@mr_watchaddict3146]

At this point, Rolex could probably just release NFT versions of the Daytona with individual serial numbers and it’d tick the box for most!

[@ID-Guy]

That's what the Rolex world is coming to brother... It's beyond bizarre...

[@mr_watchaddict3146]

@@ID-Guy Surely at some point someone will notice the Emperor is not wearing any clothes. My bet is that Omega will be the voice to point it out to a generation unable to experience Rolex easily, whom upon finally experiencing them, are underwhelmed.

[@velvetjones1856]

When I first wanted a Daytona, they were $7700 in the US, now twice that. I've been waiting on my AD's list for almost 5 years for a stainless.

[@jimlittle5769]

I never understood the appeal...till I tried it on my wrist last year. Then I got it. I've never understood the VAST appeal of the Sub though, in any version.

[@WatchMeEDC]

Interesting viewpoints as always sir 👍🏻 I hadn’t thought about the sub registers raised above the midline until this video & now I can’t unsee the asymmetry… err thanks a lot lol 🥴

[@joker14n]

He does that a lot..makes wonderful improvements that never get made..makes me happy and sad at the same time

[@ID-Guy]

Sorry brother 😆 It's one of those things that always has bugged me about these newer models. Just so peculiar that out of all the chronographs out there, Rolex decides to throw the balance off one of their most important pieces...

[@ID-Guy]

@@joker14n It's a tough thing never seeing your ideas put into practice 😆🥃

[@georgehave]

If Paul Newman’s watch had not sold at a high price, would there be the same interest? Those who purchased the watch as a watch to wear are not influenced by the hype. You always present great options for the designs. Maybe they should hire you.😱😱

[@cjammer18]

Great video! Thoughtful and interesting

[@ID-Guy]

I appreciate it Colin and thank you! 🥃

[@WatchesJourney]

Always appreciate your perspective and videos

[@ID-Guy]

And it's my pleasure. Love discussing some inner depths to this hobby of ours 😉

[@jethrojacinto2798]

I am fortunate to own a 116500 “panda” and I have to say it’s my favorite watch in my collection along with my 16710 “pepsi” because of how surprisingly smaller than I have originally thought it would be. I know it’s officially 40mm in the Rolex website but it’s really less than that and the curved case shape is a bonus for me as I’ve grown tired of the maxi case from other modern Rolex watches today. Do I think it’s overhyped and not worth the secondary market price? Absolutely. There’s also other wonderful and great alternatives like you’ve mentioned if you simply cannot get your hands on this at its retail price (which is already a lot of money as well).

[@atreidis3946]

Thanks for the great video and your thoughts on the Daytona. I´m quite happy with the design and size. No one owning the watch is really interesting in reading the exact time or even using the chronograph. As long as you can´t go into a Swatch Boutique and buy a "Swatchtona" for 260 $ everything is alright. 😉

[@ID-Guy]

It's all about flexing that Daytona to get on the list for the MoonSwatch 😆🥃

[@atreidis3946]

@@ID-Guy Oh yeah, great idea. I will sell my Daytona and buy around 150 MoonSwatches 😃

[@omarion07]

Few things that i found bizarre about some of the points made in this video: First, next year is the 60 year anniversary of the Daytona. Releasing a ceramic bezel Daytona did not reset the counter. Many people are speculating that next year the Daytona line might get updated. 2026 is the 63 year anniversary. Second, who are these interesting sources? Last time I checked Rolex is oneof the most secretive companies out there and this explains why no one can predict what they’re going to launch (Anniversary releases do not count). So “your sources” told you Rolex do not have a fixed plan? Rolex is owned by the Hans Wilsdorf foundation which is a charitable trust. Their only role is to make sure Rolex exists forever. They’re not worried about quarterly profits or paying dividends to shareholders. That’s the long term plan for Rolex and watches are in the centre of it. Rolex do not care about the longevity of their products? How do you explain the current generation Daytona running since the year 2000 till now? The only update the Stainless steel version received was the addition of a ceramic bezel 16 years later. Rolex do no focus on gradually evolving their watched? Take calibre 4130 inside the current Daytona. It was introduced in the year 2000 and Rolex has been gradually updating and improving it without making a fuss. Or Rolex going the extra mile to prevent the stretching in their old generation gold bracelets by introducing a ceramic sleeve that goes between the steel crew and the gold links to reduce any wearing of the gold links as they pivot on the screws. These are just 2 examples out of hundreds where Rolex gradually evolve their watches. You don’t have to love the brand but give them the respect they deserve.

[@boul2179]

It’s a shame idguy did not respond to your comment as it is exactly what they are doing.

[@watchyouare]

Liked some of your other videos but that one doesn‘t make too much sense IMO. The days of bigger is better are long gone, the watch is an absolute beauty and there’s nothing wrong with it. Wider/symmetrical lugs are already available on the 116505 and 116509 amongst others, not sure whether for bad or for worse. Also when I timed multi-hour roadtrips legibility was never an issue. Filled out subdials would be perfection, but then again probably too close to the 6263s/too good to be true.

[@Thomas-vq5pb]

Thank you for another really interesting video. Agree completely.

[@ID-Guy]

Appreciate it as always Thomas, I hope you're well! 🥃

[@MrPresident1878]

The Daytona is an example of how bad a hype machine can ruin its experience. Like no one talks about the watch as a watch moreso horological Bitcoin. Great video.

[@mark4605]

Great video as always 👏🏻 i really like the blue version and i agree with you regarding sizing up. White Daytona would definetly be a dream watch regarding looks and design, but I don’t want to pay premium and like you mentioned.. Daytona is nowadays more a status symbol and investment then anything else. But I guess that’s the whole rolex range. Tudor had a chance for me to do the white chrono right but what I don’t like about it is the white in white hands. Tried one on and it’s definetly hard to read with these white hour and second markers on a white dial.. why didn’t they made it with black contrast at least the outlines 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ID-Guy]

Fully agree on the white Tudor chrono. It's the most sought after but the white on white pairing with the polished surfaces is jarring. I also found it very illegible 😆 That was my first remark too "why didn't they outline the plots at least?" But hey, they can't think of everything I guess 🥃

[@jonathana2079]

Maybe they'll put palm fronds in the dials? By the way, how do you feel about the 46mm IWC big pilot? To me it felt like wearing an inflexible g shock.

[@ID-Guy]

The sky (racetrack) is the limit for the Daytona 😆 And a 46mm... can't say I could wear it well. 44mm would be my absolute limit. I've learnt that if it becomes a struggle to flex your wrist properly (like when doing a pushup) and the watch head buries itself into the back of your hand, it's too big. Some sizes just aren't for us mere mortals haha!

[@thetaingsto]

I think it's time for Rolex to introduce a new chronograph in their line up. On the flip side, it's hard to come up with something new, it can't be dressy and it can't be a diver chronograph. But I agree with your argument that Rolex doesn't even know what to do with it, a real victim of success.

[@ID-Guy]

Their Pre-Daytona's were very interesting and hey they could add something "Cellini" to the collection as a chrono. I alway go back to a model like "The Great Escape Rolex" and think how cool would it be if they did something like this again? Great call! 🥃

[@WestCoastAce27]

Analogy: Daytona is like an aged movie/rock/sports star - best days are past but still can show flashes of brilliance. And everyone still wants to be around it. Aura.

[@fezario]

I’ve had mine for 6 months. I have worn it every single day and I intend to continue until I pass it on to my son in 20 years

[@davem8836]

"Are people even interested in these watches and their design anymore? I don't know." I DO know. No. I couldn't care less anymore. Now I think I'll have two fingers of Aberlour.

[@ID-Guy]

😆 Love it Dave! It feels like you're not the only one either. Daytona popularity has plummeted for us (and is now destined to belong on Instagram) 🥃

[@davem8836]

@@ID-Guy I look at the Daytona the same way an older man looks at a young, beautiful, trophy wife. Short on supply, big on demand, but if you have enough money you can have one. Plus, how much of an arrogant, insecure douche do you have to be to want one in the first place? But what do I know?

[@structurescience]

Approaching 9 months on the wait list for the two tone version.... The local AD clearly didn't get the memo that no one likes two tone....

[@Sams911]

for the street price of a Daytona.. you can buy a blue dial Vacheron Constantin 4500V - member of the holy trinity of watch making and a significantly finer watch.. that alone is a statement on how silly all this hype is.

[@jonathanmuller5328]

Brilliant review

[@stewester]

It's a very nice watch, but the current value is simply not indicative of its worth as "just a watch", at least to me. For example, it is not worth 8x as much as a Speedmaster to me, but clearly is to the investment/Instagram crowd.

[@ID-Guy]

8x as much as a Speedmaster... holy smokes that's madness to just comprehend. 8 Times... We're clearly the wrong crowd for this kind of watch now. It's reputation precedes it 😉

[@rayng4336]

The Daytona just works. The only issue I have is the AD ridiculous wait list.

[@MrAbborre1]

Keep everything as it is but change the frequency to 10 beats per second. Makes sense in a chronograph.

[@ID-Guy]

Great, great point! I forget that 0.001% actually use the chronograph to time 1/100ths 😉🥃

[@adrianward7888]

Very well said, great video 👍🏻

[@russell996]

Some great ideas,not long until we find out. 👏👏👍🥃

[@hishamhabib666]

Great vid👍🏻. How have you been?

[@ID-Guy]

Appreciate it Hisham! Ah, getting into the year slowly (and trying to keep consistent) I really hope you and your family are keeping well brother 🥃

[@underachievingwatchcollect1878]

I tried on a two tone Daytona about 2 1/2 years ago and was underwhelmed. The days of being a picky Rolex customer(at the AD) are over. The people who buy Daytona’s at the AD’s are in the inner circle but I’ll bet they never unscrewed the pushers more than a handful of times. IMHO a poor reason to buy a chronograph 😎! Best regards

[@ID-Guy]

Isn't it funny? Being a picky customer 😆 That day I experienced the Daytona (panda), they brought out GMT's, Submariners and Exp2's. Just a mind-blow to see how things have changed (for the worse) - If only I was earning enough back then... ah well 🥃

[@paddys4236]

I’d love to see a blue dial, black bezel Daytona! ;) Or vice versa.

[@khronokraze]

I never thought of it as an investment piece or something I'd keep as a safe queen. Unremarkably, I simply found it a handsome watch that was to my surprise, at the time, hard to get and uber exensive even at retail. Oh, well... There are plenty of other luxury chronographs that are worthy of attention and obtainable. I'll give it to the Daytona, it is nicely compact and slim for a mechanical chronograph.. I mean noticeably more so than most other modern chronographs. In the mean time, I think I'll wait for the MoonSwatches to become available online and get one then... jk, not really... Probably will end up with at least one. I probably could have Googled this, but where does the name or rather the meaning of "Cosmograph" originate from? Just curious as nobody else calls their chronograph a Cosmograph.

[@sc1]

I believe Rolex planned for this to go to the moon, but Omega beat them to it (Moonwatch). Not hating on either watch. I have both.

[@jamiesieu801]

I crack up from start to end with this clip.

[@ThD040]

Great video once again. Back when we had normal time i looked at one. Never bought it as I couldn’t really (easily) tell the time on it. So for me it didn’t really have purpose. Went for the original Batman. Still love that watch but it is also in the vault so also, no longer, has a purpose as a watch. Wear JLC, Omega and Seiko more and more.

[@ID-Guy]

Agree Theo. It's all about finding that purpose & enjoyment out of pieces AND there are tonnes out there that can be enjoyed with zero fuss 🥃

[@ThD040]

@@ID-Guy so true, this evening it is 🍷 for me and not whisky 🥃, hope you are enjoying one in good health.

[@ID-Guy]

@@ThD040 Also a wine evening for me funny enough... It's been a LONG day. oh, so long. Enjoy yours Theo!

[@phototristan]

Did you know the lug sizes are not even the same on this watch between the left and the right lugs?

[@scottyee707]

When I bought my day date 7 years ago the Daytona was much cheaper and thought I could easily get it the following year… Then the price and availability issues became a thing, and now I'm still waiting, I don't even want it anymore because the whole thing was so I could wear it out in public and around and stuff but how could I feel safe doing that now

[@commentjedi]

It's popular because of the film, "Leaving Las Vegas"... :-P

[@mauriciomucino1015]

Wow what a great video would love tour thoughts on the MAD 1 red edition!

[@cliffwheeler7357]

I find the Omega Speedmaster Professional to be far superior aesthetically, compared to the Daytona. I say that as an admirer and an owner of Rolex watches. They are beautifully made to last a lifetime, but the Daytona dial compared to the Speedmaster is far too crowded.

[@blainecole5452]

Rolex could turn the world on its' head by placing the chronograph pushers on the nine o'clock side of the dial(the southpaw special). Drat! Invicta beat them to it!

[@ID-Guy]

Those LHD models in general have a charm all to themselves 😉🥃

[@mt4100]

This was amazingly insightful 2 weeks later…

[@jwdepriest]

I guess I’m a lunatic! I LOVE the design, don’t care about the sub-dial alignment, or the lug dissymmetry (is that a word?). I prefer the case thickness as is and wouldn’t want to beef it up just for a different movement. That, to me, is the best characteristic. I also love the YM case though too. But I also work in a corporate office so it makes sense with my style I guess.

[@typebflieger]

As a fan of vintage Daytonas, I’m of the opinion that the current generation is a Daytona in name only. The subtleties and restraint were lost sometime in the 80’s and this thing has become extremely blingy and over-designed - almost baroque. It’s a loud watch to get you noticed at the Yacht Club and mugged on the Subway. My wish for the Daytona would be to maintain the size and lose some of the ornamental fluff. Simple stick hour markers, a matte or brushed bezel, larger and perhaps quirkier markings on the sub-registers (not the main dial), as seen in past Daytona references. Last but not least, can Rolex lose the polished center links on the bracelet? If people are ever going to wear this again, it would be great if it wasn’t a scratch magnet. Rant over.

[@ID-Guy]

Its crazy, but those vintage Daytona's look and feel nothing like these. I had the privilege of handling a mint 6263 "Big Red" and it was exceptional. Simple, legible, matte surfaces, great size to wear. These new models are so, so different in virtually every way. Begs the question: The Sub / GMT have barely changed ever since they were first conceived... so why has the Daytona? 😉

[@rohanjangam511]

Hey @IDGuy, are you going crazy over the omega X swatch moonswatch? Lol sorry for being that guy talking about omega on a rolex video

[@ID-Guy]

I'll be working on a recording for next week sometime I reckon. But not a quick little blip on the models and reading brochures 😉 Actually looking forward to it (but can't say I'm very sold on these... there are Pro's and Cons for sure) 🥃

[@rohanjangam511]

@@ID-Guy Looking forward to the video! Really hope you can get one in. True, I'm nervous about the plastics and the white straps staining and getting dirty. It's super cool and probably a grand business move. But I'm going to wait a month or two so it's not an impulse buy. Still saving up for that Bigeye haha

[@frankm4129]

What about a Tiffany colour dail on the Detona

[@templar1060]

I love wearing mine, along with my Glock 19.

[@mikehoward9912]

$ 50,000 for a Daytona. You can get an A.Lange 1815 chronograph. Give me a Zenith skeleton.

[@ID-Guy]

Mind-blow, right? Who would refuse an 1815 Chrono? 🥃

[@markymark3572]

The watch of choice for Victoria Beckham these days apparently..Which just about sums up your chances of ever owning a new one from your AD..How did the simple pleasure of buying & enjoying the experience of wearing a watch of your choice ever come to this...

[@bobbydazzler1780]

I just bought a discounted Hugo Boss 43mm ‘yellow gold’ Daytona rip off with a silicon strap - just for shits and giggles and a summery knock about self joke as the real deal is a gazillion pounds and would probably get me mugged on the streets. So, here’s the thing - at 43mm case with an inter horn of 22m the piece is a phenomenal size. It really gives you the feel of an upsized gold Daytona on an oyster flex strap. Now this is the modern sizing that Rolex should be looking at. Or 42mm. Every time I’ve strapped on the real deal it looks really tiny and frankly feminine. Go check out the Boss watch for a couple of hundred bucks to see what I mean. You can’t buy a better watch for 200 - well, maybe a Casioak. :)

[@yenaibi]

Could the change come sooner? The 60th anniversary?

[@rezar6894]

Hey mate, long time. I’ve been calming down from watches etc for the last couple of years with the arrival of my son. So I’ve had the steel white dial ceramic Daytona (as you picture) as my only and everyday watch for five years now. Love it and incredibly lucky to have purchase it at retail. Now, for some reason, I am back looking for another watch to add to the collection (perhaps because expecting another child now….who knows). I have very small wrists so the subs and GMTs are too big and not a nice fit like the Daytona….so I am now considering the new steel Explorer 36mm or the new steel Datejust 36 (jubilee bracelet, fluted bezel and blue dial with stick markers)…either as an everyday signature watch. I would still wear my Daytona but probably not everyday (as you say….is not most legible etc). If in my position, would you go for the new steel 36mm Explorer or the 36mm classic Datejust? Thanks, stay blessed Rez

[@ID-Guy]

Great seeing you Reza!!! A huge congratulations on your next child on the way 😉 It would be a simple choice for me (since these watches would be going to my children in the end) - the 36mm Explorer. It's unisex, simple and a great size that would make for an incredible watch to hand down. The Datejust is great BUT for a two piece collection, I love the simplicity of both the Daytona and Explorer together. Maybe even go wild and choose the new Two-Tone? They're amazing in person...also think they will be sought after future collectables. I hope this helps brother and continue stay well! 🥃

[@rezar6894]

@@ID-Guy - thanks brother, appreciate it and great to finally see you on the newer videos 😉. The smaller 36mm works great for my wrist size and the simplicity as you say is great, where the Datejust feels more blingy but I guess looks more iconic Rolex. I’ve put my name down for both the all steel Explorer and the new two tone version. If both are offered together, would you go for the two tone version over the all steel (if in my shoes) and do you think the two tone could be a versatile everyday piece that can be dressed up / dressed down for formal and very casual wear as a signature watch (as I would wear the Daytona less often I guess)? Cheers, keep up the great work and thanks for all your help over the years, really means a lot 👍🏻🙏🏻😉

[@rezar6894]

@@ID-Guy - and having two watches is good because one can be handed down to each (at least that’s how I’m justifying it lol). Also, I take it the 36mm Explorer in all steel and the two tone version ….does either come across as too feminine in your view (especially the two tone)?

[@atreidis3946]

@@rezar6894 I have the black Daytona. And I bought the 36 Explorer last December as my everyday watch. It´s a wonderful piece, simple, aesthetic and perfect size. It´s my first 36, but probably not my last, can´t cope with the chunky trend, that´s why I think Daytona should not grow in size.

[@rezar6894]

@@atreidis3946 - thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. Can I ask did you go for the all steel Explorer or the Two tone version? Would you also go for the 36 Explorer over the 36 Datejust for an everyday all occasion watch (including smart wear in office and casual)? Cheers

[@Saltydog547]

41mm would look nice. Actually, if we can go 44mm would be even better.

[@TurnRiver]

I would say that most people buying Rolex don't care what it looks like, as long as it says Rolex and that it is real.

[@bber45]

Here is my Future of the Rolex Daytona: None. Not going to pay 40K (probably 60k EOY) for a Stainless Steel Sport watch. Rolex ADs are going to keep jerking all of us around, and backdoor it do the Grey Market. Could give two shits about it really. I will say, with Omega releasing the Swatch Speedy, I will happily walk into the Swatch Ad, grab a 2 of em and enjoy the fun watch. It will be the dogs ballocks and I don't have to play the AD games. For $260 for a quartz chrono that scratches the chronograph itch, easy choice.

[@ID-Guy]

I timed this Daytona video so badly now that the MoonSwatch has landed 😆 But you're right on all accounts. Nothing is going to change and it'll keep pushing us more and more towards other brands (which is always refreshing) 🥃

[@btmontres1423]

I love these timepieces just because they are quirky and imperfect, and started life an underdog. Its the ugly duckling that grew up to become something greater and more beautiful than the sum of its parts. And at the same time it is tragic because to have one enlists the owner into the ranks of not just watch ownership, but membership into an asset class. There are risks and rewards to this, not the least involving violent removal if worn in the wrong environment. The true believers pay this price and find a way to be fulfilled with ownership. The ownership of the Daytona carries a price much higher than a financial one.

[@ID-Guy]

Very well said. I also love an underdog story (and it seems like the most high profile models from Rolex always end up on top because of it) - but wow, the last line hits hard. The ownership experience then becomes a burden in its own right... so, so bizarre. Definitely made me think with this one 🥃

[@geno816]

I liked this watch til* I put one on. Decided I would rather have the zenith chrono sport

[@markw-2025]

What is the future of the Cellini line? I was disappointed to continue to look at these offerings, stuck in mid-century styles, without any modernization or marketing to compete with the elite brands (as they should). First and foremost, a Cellini chronograph, steel model, is missing. Would that not sell out (as an example)? Or an elegant looking Cellini watch? They are really leaving a lot on the table.

[@aussieexpat]

The future? It's on my wrist :p

[@ID-Guy]

The Lucky Few 😉

[@ianmackey7085]

Zenith movement allowed alignment of sub dials

[@gelmibson883]

Wooo!

[@ID-Guy]

Keep that Superocean game strong! 🥃

[@galwaypaddy17]

I love it when KZbinrs come out with their opinions on how to "improve" the Daytona. I also get a good laugh when they say that it is the "hype" that is driving the demand for this watch. You are coming across as more than arrogant with your long list of how to make this watch more desirable. This is a grail watch for many because of its history, design and wearability. If you have worn one for a few weeks, you realize that it is near perfect. Somehow - despite your in-depth critique - it remains the most desirable Rolex. You say you are a designer - what have you designed that has become as iconic or as desirable as the Daytona?

[@CJ-rb3do]

Exactly. This guy of full of it. And, why are KZbin talking heads taking this stance: he wants to be different lol. His accent is also so manufactured and rehearse it's nauseating to listen to for more than five seconds.

[@AN-if5tk]

I am wearing the black dial and it’s simply amazing..it’s an art

[@holynestinc.3041]

It's like saying "I'm a financial advisor" but his client is richer than him!

[@James-pl2oy]

Believe it or not, I was able to walk into a Rolex boutique in 2012, saw a silver-colored Daytona in one of the glass display cases, asked the salesperson if it was white-gold because I knew the more costly precious metal versions were easier to get (more available) than the more sought after, least costly stainless steel versions. The salesperson said “no”, it was a s/s version. My eyes lit up and immediately asked if it was for sale. He said “no” again, that it was waiting to be picked up by the buyer, HOWEVER, he might be able to order me one. Needless to say, I was completely dumbfounded. I had been on multiple wait lists across three US states (moving because of work) for 12 years. Some of the earlier wait lists had older phone numbers of mine so I knew my chances were less than zero that I’d ever receive a call back. So I couldn’t believe what he told me and asked what’s the catch? I told him of my story and said to me, since we (the jeweler) had just spent a couple of million of dollars to invest in a stand-alone a Rolex boutique, next to their existing store, then, as a reward, Rolex was willing to allocate a few Daytonas to them. It was a beautiful boutique, all gold/rose marble and glass. He went on to say there might be one still available and that I could try. I thought I had won the lottery and charged it to my credit card right away, not even quite sure how much I had in my account to pay it off, but this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. My s/s white dial Daytona (he even asked me which color dial I wanted!!) came in around 3 weeks later. And I WAS able to scrounge up the funds to pay it off. Sometimes, just sometimes, dreams DO come true.

[@1waoh]

Personally much prefer the current size of the Daytona. Modern watches are oversized for many wrists. Big ones may look “masculine”, but they make your wrist look small and feminine. The Daytona is still substantial optically with its ceramic dual, but also makes the owners’ wrists not look like those of a school boy

[@peachlandtaxi919]

Bring back the Zenith 9-6-3 layout, iso this wonky out of center weirdness. (Oh and get rid of the glossy ceramic bezel, make it a matte bezel like tudor.)

[@philb9550]

Waiting for the 42MM

[@AK-rq1cz]

This might be the most over hyped watch in the world. The Rolex bubble has to pop eventually, right? I mean, it's nice and we're all entitled to our opinions. But for this kind of money you can get into some Haute Horology like A Lange and Sohne with exotic metals and complications. The Daytona is a steel, mass produced sports watch, this is insanity.

[@rhgrabowski3855]

Totally agree with you.

[@ID-Guy]

It doesn't make sense (to me at least) why people would go so ballistic for one of these. In the end it's all down to supply, demand and feeling of missing out. But the opportunity to forge a different path with other brands is so strong. Imagine the options of like 3 pieces you could get instead of the Daytona? All different, all unique (and could easily be more versatile) 🥃

[@jameshoward9700]

A bizarre situation. An ok, but unremarkable watch. I still think the Speedy Pro is the better design, as is the EP. The Daytona is awkward- ugly, wart like pushers and cramped, discordant dial layout. Fugly, like most Rolex complications. Oddly unrefined. My friend, you’d be an asset at Rolex Towers! Great renders, but I think I’d keep the excellent size the same, just simplify the dial. A 3m chrono can be legible: Speedy 321, El Primero.

[@ID-Guy]

It's head-scratching why they don't go the way of just simplifying the dial and remove some of the text (like the older pieces) but hey! The watch is going to be popular regardless of what we say today 😆

[@ahmedelgamassy4567]

This is best fitting rolex on my 6.5 inch wrist, so elegant. If they make it bigger then it will ruin the beauty of that watch.

[@ryanmurphy7422]

"A design that works for all occasions" when describing the Chronographs offered by Tudor, Brietling, zenith, and others? The beauty of the daytona is the case proportions and how it is truly wearable with both a suit and a hoodie. Other automatic Chronographs on the market look like slab sided sky scrapers on your wrist. The Tudor is the biggest offender. Thats a beautiful watch from the top down, but take a peek from the side and tell me it looks good. It is not wearable by most wrists out there.

[@extremejoy]

My grail Rolex is the Sky Dweller…

[@ID-Guy]

They are exceptional in every way. The watches complication alone is a masterclass! I hope you manage to get one AJ 🥃

[@chrisstevenson2622]

Why on earth would anyone buy a watch that’s so expensive and not wear and enjoy it. Sure, a watch first and foremost is a tool. However, that tool can be enjoyed and is a time capsule of sorts of life’s victories and defeats. Buying anything and locking it away is a waste of money. No matter how much it increases in value.

[@ID-Guy]

I don't get it either Chris. All I'm seeing more and more of today is how people cannot justify owning X watch because any scratch will diminish its value etc. etc. It's a sad state of affairs that many can't enjoy wearing the watches they spent so much time deciding on 🥃

[@chrisstevenson2622]

@@ID-Guy exactly, when I saved up the coin and I get my Tudor FXD, I’m wearing it and not taking it off. When sent in for maintenance, I’m requesting they leave the scratches and dings in place.

[@biohazard99]

The fact is Rolex don’t have to do a single thing you suggested for the next 10 years and they will still sell out. Also, I’m not convince your “updates” improved anything… If anything all they have to do is to add a few new dial colors, or brush some of the surfaces and their watch community will lose their minds already.

[@Nefville]

I hear rumors Rolex may replace the Daytona at Watches and Wonders. Tomorrow I think. I just need Rolex to make my damn Datejust then they can play around with new models, first make the ones they sold, GD terrible customer service.

[@j.burgess4459]

They have to increase the size, surely? By contemporary standards the existing watch is almost a lady size!😮

[@ID-Guy]

It does almost have a "mid-size" title to it today, right? There are such great sweet-spots where watches are landing between 41 and 42mm's and just fit perfectly (maybe we're just biased) 😉

[@scottwexlin6456]

I have no desire for this Watch. Luckily for me, as I’d never get one at retail, and I can’t afford one grey. I like my Tudor BB Chrono much better, and it’s quality imo is 99% of the Daytona.

[@moon3173]

i wear mine all the time

[@jonirwin7316]

I have one & wear it daily. Not many wear them? Nonsense.

[@janihellberg6911]

I have never cared for the daytona. I really disslike the subdials, like rakoon eye rings and I dont understand the hype. The again I'm in love with pepsi gmt master 2, another Rolex hype watch. I try to forget it, but everytime I see it that urge arises. I would like to say that it isn't becouse of the hype, but I do wonder would I be so interested in it if it wasn't so popular. I really feel that part of the Rolex hype is people who want the watch just becouse it is so famous and wanted, perhaps myself incluted even if it's subliminal.

[@ID-Guy]

Feel the same as you about the GMT Pepsi. It's either that or an Explorer 2 for me (I've decided) but at this rate, maybe in 12 or so years time when all of this BS simmers down? 😆 They offer some great designs, no doubt. There are few GMT's so well done as the GMT Master. We can with both of ourselves luck Jani! 🥃

[@captainfalcon8615]

It's a pretty watch, but not even close to being worth the hype, I've seen so many 50 dollar watches that id rather wear than the Rolex Daytona that it wouldn't even come to mind if i could pick any watch in the world to wear with all outside factors like price, public opinion, brand recognition, and all the shallow materialistic pretneses that come with it I wouldn't even consider the Daytona and I would probably go with one of the unbelievably beautiful watches I've seen made by brands few if any have ever heard of outside of randomly seeing an ad for it online like how I found them. Having a Rolex Daytona is no more than a status symbol, and when you actually shop for watches that you want to wear and because you love the form and/or function you get what you're supposed to get out of watch collecting/wearing which is the personal affection and appreciation for these works of art instead of something to show off and brag about for other people to like instead of you