What Is The "Kick Change" And How Do You Throw It?

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@AnthonyOcanas-ARC-baseball
@AnthonyOcanas-ARC-baseball 4 ай бұрын
Never need this video more in my life
@fredreickweaver809
@fredreickweaver809 4 ай бұрын
Very Amusing that Birdsong just picked it up from one of your athletes and it was showing 160stuff+ in mlb like 8 months later, cool!
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Davis Martin just started throwing it a few outings ago with the White Sox as well! x.com/ArtOfBaseball/status/1824870916259754194
@drewseph8787
@drewseph8787 4 ай бұрын
gonna have to try this out, always struggled with changeups and my split is so day-day as well as too close in velo to fb, only like 4-6 mph slower
@Everything_Baseball14
@Everything_Baseball14 Ай бұрын
Trying this in January to February, resting my arm for a while before then. Never threw a good changeup. I supinate and throw a pretty good curveball so hopefully this helps thanks
@NicoMolinaris
@NicoMolinaris 4 ай бұрын
Leif really clutched up with this one!! Been throwing this pitch but just needed a few pointers
@arkanoosh6344
@arkanoosh6344 2 ай бұрын
Should you be thinking about cutting this if your a supination bias guy? Or just throw it like a fastball? Or try to pronate?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 2 ай бұрын
You can think "throw it like a fastball" if you already cut the ball as a supinator. Trying to lean into the SSW rather than forcing yourself into pronation
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 2 ай бұрын
i found it super helpful to think of extending my middle finger as i release to give the ball sidespin and kick it
@michaelallen1154
@michaelallen1154 Ай бұрын
Hey Tread! If you don't mind me asking... what preliminary criteria determines whether or not a pitcher can successfully throw a pitch like this kick change? They were saying the same thing (about preliminary criteria) for a seam shifting wake changeup. Apparently there is a criteria to these pitches?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics Ай бұрын
Both pronators and supinators can throw this pitch, so it's more friendly than SSW!
@michaelallen1154
@michaelallen1154 Ай бұрын
@treadathletics thanks! Do you guys have a video about pronation vs. supination?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics Ай бұрын
We do! Here's the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYqplaSeo6eAY80
@Boinr17
@Boinr17 4 ай бұрын
For me when i'm throwing the kick change, I think about pulling my thumb down like im trying to touch my pinky finger with my thumb. This really helps me get that right action im looking for. Thoughts?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Sounds like the opposite of how the Kick Change functions. It's a ring and middle finger dependent pitch and that sounds like you may be cue-ing pronation led by the thumb?
@craigkabat8153
@craigkabat8153 4 ай бұрын
Best pitch for supinators hands down, way easier to gain feel faster versus a split
@rustyshackleford1562
@rustyshackleford1562 4 ай бұрын
Hands down is pronation.... da da chhh
@arkanoosh6344
@arkanoosh6344 2 ай бұрын
For supinators do you want to throw supination for this pitch? Or pronate or throw like fastball
@dave-u9c
@dave-u9c Сағат бұрын
Can it be thrown too slow? When I was throwing it, it was 12-14mph slower and was coming out splitter like. it had sub 800 spin with under 3 ivb and around 12-15 ihb consistently
@shm0ney
@shm0ney 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for making a video on the kick change! I’ve been throwing one for about a year now. Kills vert and gets me some run when I would cut a splitter or normal change.(heavy supinator)
@rajplaysball
@rajplaysball 4 ай бұрын
Would it be safe pitch for my arm? I’m 13 and throw a 4 seam and curve and looking to throw a pitch that goes armside and pronating a normal changeup just isn’t my thing.
@humanperson7198
@humanperson7198 4 ай бұрын
should be just as safe as a fastball since you’re not pronating through release but i’m no biomechanist
@rajplaysball
@rajplaysball 3 ай бұрын
Yeah makes sense
@ddog3679
@ddog3679 4 ай бұрын
Do you think this pitch would pair well with a sidearm pitcher or you think that over the top pitcher would benefit more
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Works for pitchers with all kinds of slots
@xtraspecialj
@xtraspecialj 3 ай бұрын
Based on the spin i see, i don't understand the movement of the ball. It's got tilted back spin. How does that make the ball drop? I would think top spin would be necessary to make the ball drop like that?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
Shifting the axis downward is the main thing. Some pronators who throw it can also lean into SSW which will shoot the ball down as well
@xtraspecialj
@xtraspecialj 3 ай бұрын
@@treadathletics interesting. At the end of the day though, it's back spin, so it still blows my mind how that makes the ball dip down. Goes against everything I've been told about spin in the past. Very cool!
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
Here's a video about seam shifted wake that we made! kzbin.infoNWObkD3T9uM?feature=share
@xtraspecialj
@xtraspecialj 3 ай бұрын
@@treadathletics Very cool! Never heard about that. I also found another video you guys did that was an interview and the dude explained it with the airplane analogy. Thanks so much!
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
Yes! Our conversation with Brian Bannister also dives into it!
@royeffinger4554
@royeffinger4554 3 ай бұрын
What makes the kick / spiked more valuable than simply a gripped 2 seam circle change?
@dave-u9c
@dave-u9c 4 ай бұрын
What is the ideal IVB and IHB on this pitch? For context, I throw my sinker at 6-9 IVB with 12-16 IHB at 86-88.
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
If your sinker is in that region, you can likely expect to get into the negatives with it. We obviously would need a lot more info about your arsenal and natural biases to give you an accurate target though
@that_deaf_dude99
@that_deaf_dude99 3 ай бұрын
Would this pitch work for sidearmers? I’ve been trying to get a changeup but I’ve never been able to find one
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
It can! Here's one of our athletes with a lower slot throwing it: instagram.com/p/C9VhQPqBeG9/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
@that_deaf_dude99
@that_deaf_dude99 3 ай бұрын
@@treadathletics I just threw this in my bullpen today and it worked FLAWLESSLY! Thank you for showing me this and adding a new weapon to my arsenal
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 4 ай бұрын
i know that kevin gausman recently changed his splitter grip and in slow motion, it looks like a kick change grip in the hand, is he throwing a kick change now?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Any chance you can link a clip of it?
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 4 ай бұрын
apparently the old grip was too unreliable and sometimes had backspin rather than side spin, combined with the ssw made it a two seamer that went to the wrong places
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 4 ай бұрын
i put a comment here with some links about it, it seemed to disappear, hrmm
@Iamshields632
@Iamshields632 Ай бұрын
From someone on the outside. What is the difference between a Kick Change and a circle change?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics Ай бұрын
Different grips and spin direction
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 4 ай бұрын
how should it feel off my hand if im getting it right?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Like it's coming off of your middle finger. It'll feel different for pitchers who are supination biased vs. pronation biased
@rsv9999
@rsv9999 3 ай бұрын
@@treadathletics i have a supination bias, should it feel straight off my middle finger like a fastball or moving horizontally off my fingertips like a slider?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
You'll be cutting it then, so it can feel more like a cutter/fastball if you're already supinating at release
@jacobwilhide1189
@jacobwilhide1189 4 ай бұрын
How do I know if I am a pronator or supinator?
@driklol
@driklol 4 ай бұрын
No smartass-ness here , but Do you feel better , more natural and more comfortable with certain pitches (ones that require either pronation or supination) than the other. For example, I can't throw a pronated changeup to save my life, but I can very comfortably throw sliders, curves , slurves etc. When I try to pronate (wrist turning into my body) It just feels wrong for how I naturally throw a ball and the results are trash. I tell my son (who is a pronator) , don't fight what feels right when throwing the ball , adjust what pitch you want to throw based on what your body is telling you. If a normal changeup doesn't feel forced to you, or a two seam, you probably are leaning towards a pronation bias.
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Will be expanding on this further in the future. We run assessments with our athletes to identify their body's preferences kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaqYi5aHqpJkaNU
@kevinmcgrath7509
@kevinmcgrath7509 4 ай бұрын
Watch their video from a couple days ago. Prone=palm down Supine=palm up Which one feels better for you?
@Terrobul
@Terrobul 3 ай бұрын
I love to hit the kick-change ⚾️
@abs1071
@abs1071 4 ай бұрын
It is Ssw changeup that drops more with less spin👍🏻😬
@RaymondZegardki
@RaymondZegardki 3 ай бұрын
I used to have a very bad change up untill now @tread athletes
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 3 ай бұрын
Awesome to hear!
@seanmulcahy7837
@seanmulcahy7837 4 ай бұрын
Love the Tread stuff normally. I’m a fan. I’m also spoiled because many of your other videos show, very close up, very slo motion, very specific grips to try. This one is shot from 15 feet away, moves too fast and does not enough detail. I’d love a better breakdown in the future.
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
Close ups provided at the 1:51 and 2:16 and slow motion release can be seen at 3:04 which you can feel free to pause as well!
@datSpookyDude
@datSpookyDude 2 ай бұрын
Safer than a splitter?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 2 ай бұрын
Minimal injury risk with this one. Leaning into your motor preferences alleviates injury risk
@JDCRS2000
@JDCRS2000 2 ай бұрын
I'd rather throw the rising knuckle curve 😅
@BlackSheep883-d7n
@BlackSheep883-d7n Ай бұрын
Splitfinger beats them all
@izanmaciasgallardo1658
@izanmaciasgallardo1658 4 ай бұрын
the only thing left to identify is who could throw the reverse snk like hader hahaha
@joekeusch5995
@joekeusch5995 4 ай бұрын
That pitch has been around for 30 years
@Ethan888.
@Ethan888. 4 ай бұрын
Where?
@driklol
@driklol 4 ай бұрын
He literally said in this video that most of the "popular' pitches have been around since the 50's (give or take) but modern technology allows them to identify why they work, how they work and how to teach them increasing how effective they can be and to whom they apply.
@joekeusch5995
@joekeusch5995 4 ай бұрын
@driklol My apologies, i didnt have the patience to watch the whole video. That is a good clarification. Like the "sweeper" and all this other nonsense on calling the same pitches different names it comes down to how they react to different pirchers thowing them.
@joekeusch5995
@joekeusch5995 4 ай бұрын
@Ethan888. everywhere. Modifications like that to the circle change were pretty routine.
@johnbela193
@johnbela193 3 ай бұрын
I was hoping others could help me out. In the 1980’s-early 90’s, Doyle Alexander used to throw a Circular Change. Is it the same as this change up??
@doctorstrainlove6318
@doctorstrainlove6318 4 ай бұрын
WTF is a DEATH ball?
@treadathletics
@treadathletics 4 ай бұрын
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@JennellStraughter
@JennellStraughter 4 ай бұрын
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