What is the New .30 Super Carry and is it a Big Deal?

[@Sig_P229]

James: “We have all heard of the new ammo …” Me living under a rock: 😳

[@McMannis505]

Lol yeah I didn’t hear a damn thing until the video popped up

[@SaraphDarklaw]

Me either.

[@tinncan]

Just heard about it on TGC news... Like 30 minutes ago and it was dumb then too. .

[@SW-ii5gg]

This is the first time I have heard about it.

[@5roundsrapid263]

Never heard of it either…

[@dmytro732]

30 Super Carry. A new source of reloading components for those of us shooting 7.62 Tokarev.

[@W1ldt1m]

Your mouth to gods ear

[@billm.2373]

AMEN, brother!

[@lobotomite9767]

I love my shitty soviet trash gat so much

[@adamarens3520]

I’ve got a CZ 52 and a Yugo Tokarev that need to eat!

[@JacksonWalter735]

Man I love those Tokarev pistols. My dad bought a surplus version after we saw the pistol being used in the Kingsman movie. Shame ammo is so hard to come by/so expensive.

[@McCbobbish]

I wish them luck, it's always good to see an attempt at innovation

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Cough cough 🤧 .356TSW cough .327federal, 9mm Largo, .41AE, cough, 9x23mm, 5.7mm, .40Super, .451Detonics, .45LARwinmag...

[@CommodoreFan64]

I agree it's good to see innovation, just not in a time when ammo of existing calibers is in such short supply as it is, thus driving up prices, so personally I think Federal should have just kept on producing existing calibers to help ease the supply issues as much as possible, and waited to release 30 SC at a better date, and time.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

@@CommodoreFan64 yes 💯 ... The NSSF members need to stop 📈 & encourage the ccw, shooting sports, hunters, gun club/match not pimp out "new" calibers no one asked for. 🙄

[@Taylor_Quick]

@@DavidLLambertmobile don’t forget .45 GAP lol

[@adamb2619]

Id rather see them restocking the stuff we actually care about.

[@lukeo9487]

If it would cost significantly less than .380, I could see it taking off. Having it cost more than 9mm is a brutal failure, so it will likely top out as a niche reloading round.

[@ommsterlitz1805]

well the 30 super carry is a 7,65 French Magnum

[@Dimythios]

Agree, besides 38 auto is okay. But a 38 special?? They should have compared that to the 30 caliber so this is just market speak.

[@YTRulesFromNM]

Making things below cost is not a viable business model. People will always complain about the price of everything. Don't expect any Wolf steal cased ammo.

[@lukeo9487]

@@YTRulesFromNM Do you have insider knowledge we don't, or a link to an article? I haven't read anywhere that .30 Super production cost is higher than 9mm or .380.

[@slimjim7411]

It's hard to produce anything under 9mm's cost due to the fact that all of the 9mm fmj luger you get from major manufacturers is literally just assembled from components that failed to meet Nato specifications.

[@narrowurethra182]

I don't really see a need to run out and replace my 11-15 rnd hellcat just yet, but this is interesting and I'm excited to see what comes of it. Maybe seeing some live demos or even a Paul Harrell meat target test.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

What we really need is to see what underwood can get out of it... Factory loads are meh, I judge everything by underwood.

[@Rybo-87]

I really like my hellcat.

[@Darkess343]

@@maximusjoseppi5904 💯

[@chaimafaghet7343]

@@maximusjoseppi5904 It's modernised 7.65 French Long, I don't think it's a great candidate for Bubba's Pissin' Hot Handload treatment. It's ALREADY been BPHH'd.

[@lifeofmike556]

Still loving my XDS Mod2. Lightweight, reliable, thin, great ergonomics and I'm more than happy with it holding only 7+1 because it stays light.

[@wtsane5449]

Remember when .40 was going to be the all carry, the 6.8SPC was going to be adopted by the military as the replacement, and the USFA Zip .22 was going to be an actual working firearm? Again, this is flavor of the month, but there is ALWAYS another month.

[@alexmaurice4274]

Is the 6.8 Spc the new caliber for the trial guns?

[@URMAGURDITSDAN]

@@alexmaurice4274 no that 6.8 sig or one of the other 6.8 calibers textron or the other guys made. 6.8 spc is a round designed to be the caliber in between 308 and 556. 6.8 spc is used by hunters that like ars because it is a good hunting round and thats about it.

[@URMAGURDITSDAN]

the 6.8 the millitary wants to adopt is a battle rifle round like a necked down 308

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Yes, I'm 51, a Army 🎗 veteran, ccw license holder. I've seen the 🎠 go around & round. The 9x19mm & .380acp, .38spl +P have 1000s of fans. New gadgets, whiz bang ballistics aren't going to get the crowds.

[@jerroldkazynski5480]

I'd like to see the 357 Sig mod be done on the 10mm cartridge.

[@calebsyswerda]

.30 Super Carry: Why buy a +2 extended mag when you can buy a whole new gun. .30 Super Carry: For all those times you said “9mm is too effective.” .30 Super Carry: For all those times you said “9mm is too cheap.” .30 Super Carry: For all those times you said “9mm is too plentiful.” 😉

[@MaddenMagician]

@Dan you don't need a new gun? You sound like a goddamn communist

[@MegaChevyMan79]

@Dan I can agree with that. The 3-1/2 shotgun shells really help waterfowl hunters and turkey hunters with those tough birds but spot on with everything else

[@exothermal.sprocket]

For all those people smoking the 9mm crackpipe. Guess what? 9x19 Parabellum is older than .45acp. Guess which is more antiquated?

[@servicerifle16]

To me .30SC seems more compelling as a SMG cartridge than as a pistol round.

[@drengillespie]

I’m hoping that Kel Tec makes something. Yeah, I know what I said.

[@servicerifle16]

@@drengillespie maybe a take on the Skorpion in .30SC?

[@demonjmh]

"SMG cartridges" are already pistol rounds

[@ChrisG1392]

@@drengillespie have you tried the sub2k? Mine isn't worth anything for reliability.

[@servicerifle16]

@@demonjmh I'm talking in the area of 5.7 or .32, rounds that are a bit anemic out of pistols but better out of a subgun.

[@qthemerrybandofanons4481]

Just got my CSX yesterday. Loving the hell out of it already. As for the 30 Super Carry, ehh cool they are making something new, but the numbers are not that impressive to me. Personally I see no advantage to more velocity if it equates to less energy transfer, capacity is nice, but good lord people. Even Micro 9's are holding 12+ rounds now...how much more do you need lol??

[@sammiches6859]

Energy does not translate to lethality at all. This really isn't impressive at all though because we already have other rounds to cover this base. 380 ACP, 32 ACP, 25ACP.

[@donbrloks3959]

Typically, 2-6 rounds for personal protection. More rounds, higher caliber & more weight defeats the whole premise of concealed carry.

[@sammiches6859]

@@donbrloks3959 You can have your cake and eat it in this case because a Ruger LCP Max with a 12 round Mag is almost exactly just one pound. You'd be saving less than a quarter of a pound by subtracting 6 rounds that could help you if there's more than one assailant. I think the reasonable variable for concealment is mostly size because weight is a problem fixed with a belt (especially when dealing with guns well under a pound.)

[@thisismagacountry1318]

Any criticism of your new CSX ? It seems nice, but I'm waiting for the 2.0 or PC model

[@Fullyautomagic]

Always more

[@ralphruhl3806]

Higher capacity than the 9 mm and more power than the 380 sounds like a good idea to me. I hope Ruger , Sig , Beretta , Walther , Glock , Springfield Armory , FN , Kel-Tec , Kahr and others make pistols for this new exciting cartridge , both compact and full size models !

[@mezzanoon]

Some of the best "real" journalism you've done in a minute; you're miles ahead of other firearm journalists online, I really appreciate it!

[@-John-Doe-]

It's actually a really ignorant take. _"I'm no Engineer"_ is very obvious. Clearly doesn't understand what 50k PSI or Sectional density are. Not 50k PSI _"+P"_ 50k PSI. a given Chamber pressure, will accelerate a given Sectional Density, to a given velocity. Doesn't matter if it's 230 gr .45 ACP, 147 gr 9mm, 110 gr .30 caliber. This is pushing a 100gr at the velocity 7.62 Tokarev pushes 85 gr. With better capacity. With a shorter cartridge, which means more effective barrel length on top 7.62x39 has a maximum chamber pressure of 45k. With the same sectional density, it will have lower velocity out of the same length barrel. 7.62x39 has the benefit of its expansion ratio, case capacity, which lowers chamber pressure, in order to propel a higher sectional density _(ie 123 gr)_ over a 16 inch bore.

[@ThePyleDriver]

I would have preferred cheaper 5.7 ammo and more guns chambering it.

[@dannydevito2275]

Honestly yeah what's the point if this round when you have 5.7 which does the job better

[@Zundfolge]

Every dollar that Federal spent developing this could have been spent on increasing their manufacturing capacity of existing calibers and I guarantee they would have seen a better ROI than they'll see from this.

[@dannydevito2275]

Making more 5.7 stuff would already fix the problem they are trying to solve: thinner cartridges that you can have more ammo per mag and less recoil

[@greginthesouth2621]

I was gonna say.. Why can't the ammo companies as a whole get back to pre-biden/covid prices? I remember the last bulk pack of 500 federal 9mm I bought was exactly $100 from Academy, in February of 2020. I hope it will go back down to that one day.

[@rangersmith4652]

Maybe they're counting on big contracts from licensing to other gun and ammo makers when .30SC becomes the next 6.5 Creedmore.

[@hdrider2071]

I agree and i need them to start with 30-30 win 😆

[@williamphillip9749]

I think their doing ok with their money. They can do whatever they want

[@user-pz5ju7mw3k]

Sweet! Thanks federal for making a round no one asked for instead of getting 9mm prices back down. Nice!

[@chucks_88]

Yep, Thanks Federal making a 380 on steroids when no one really wants this. Oh people will buy it because it's the new kid on the block. Maybe Federal should try making more damn 357 sig being they are asking $70 freaking a box instead of making another wimpy round.

[@Fullyautomagic]

Are you an economist?

[@jaredwright1655]

@@Fullyautomagic Probobly not but why can't they put money into defending gun rights instead of giving us a weaker, thinner, and recoils the same as 9mm. Bravo.

[@strengthtraining4]

I feel like due to the high pressure of this round it’s definitely not going to be something that we see people putting 50k rounds through like a glock 19 but it will probably see some limited market success for a couple years. 9x19 is just too well established as a baseline that I don’t see a long term success off this round

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I agree 💯. The morgue monsters & jello junkies will weigh in over time. The US ammunition makers will either lay out CHEAP offerings to entice buyers or(like most new rounds) let them twist, turn until no one cares. I run 9x19mm +P, .380acp, .40, .357sig(rare occasion). I have no use for 5.7mm or 4.2mm super whiz bang bullets....

[@wisewhiterabbit]

if they make it is a glock 19 size, i forsee a 18 round flush fit magazine. which would beat out the other guns in the same size.

[@randallscott-key802]

You're conflating chamber pressure measured in psi to total pressure. 45K psi in a small case volume is still a much lower total pressure than say, the .45 ACP - which is why you can't soup-up the .45 ACP very much before you start having problems with gun integrity. Consider that the interior volume of the .30SC case is probably somewhere around 0.2" which means total internal case pressure is around 9,000 "pounds" of pressure. By comparison, the .45 case volume with bullet seated is closer to .5" or around 10K pounds total pressure. Also, chamber pressure equates to heat, which is insignificant in a fast-cycling auto pistol which extracts the hot case and kicks it clear.

[@johnakridge2916]

I see huge success off this round. Its gonna be at the top with 9mm and the rest of the popular carry calibers surpassing 380acp

[@johnsmith4630]

they shouda split the diff between 9 and 380 rather than trying to make it so powerful

[@mynameisstilljafo4063]

.357 SIG, 32 H&R, .327 Federal, etc. All good cartridges that never really made it to the mainstream. I'm doubtful .30 Super Carry is going to fare much better. It probably won't be a complete albatross like .45 GAP, but it's not going to replace 9mm as the standard.

[@danielboggan2479]

It’s not trying to replace 9mm. It’s 30 super Carry, not 30 super service.

[@External2737]

Agreed this is the latest wonderround. It will take some exciting guns to sell the new cartridge. Until then, the LCP MAX, S&W EZ, Sig P238, Glock 42, or Bursa thunder will sell.

[@ja5onl6]

@@External2737 bought my wife a .380 ez performance center. After shooting it I sold my shield lazer 9mm and upgraded to the ez 9mm performance center. I carry this gun every day a love it. Which they would make the ez 9mm performance center in the shield plus. My wife loves her .380 and is comfortable shooting it. Id rather have her comfortable shooting a "underpowered" .380 accurately than a higher powered round and be hesitant.

[@sammiches6859]

It's going after the 380.

[@External2737]

@@ja5onl6 I think many people do better with a round they are comfortable with. This issue I see is trying to be better than a small market. Is 25 ACP better than 22 LR? In my opinion yes. 25 ACP never developed enough scale. This is a round for either guns too small for 9mm for some people or a self defense round that is good enough with less recoil. A good idea going up against an established "good enough" round. The 5.7mm is an interesting round, yet it didn't knock out the 380ACP. I like having a "comfort defense round" to recommend. That means ammo availability. I hope to eat my skepticism.

[@JohnRutherford205]

I think that a more apt comparison(based on the actual bullet size) would be a .32 ACP Magnum rather than a .380 magnum. The bullet diameter between 30 Super Carry and .32 ACP is about the same(.312 inch). It's an interesting idea, and I'm always supportive of new .32 caliber cartridges coming out. I'm a big fan of .32 H&R magnum and .32 ACP. The first gun I ever bought was a Kel Tec P-32. All of that said, I'm more inclined to think that most people won't bother switching from 9mm to 30 Super Carry. I can think of a few cases, however, where that might be true. My grandmother-in-law's nightstand gun is a Shield EZ in .380. My grandfather-in-law hates it because it's more expensive to feed and not as powerful as 9mm. However, 30SC might be really attractive to her because of the higher capacity(though he'll still grimace at the expense). That's the big issue here, if 30SC is more expensive than 9mm, can't work in smaller guns as you suggest, and I have to buy a whole new gun to shoot it? Consider the .327 Federal Magnum. Great cartridge(excellent in lever guns btw), but expensive and I have to buy a whole new gun. What happened to that cartridge? Now only one manufacturer releases guns with any regularity, Ruger. Will Smith and Wesson end up in the same boat? Don't get me wrong. I really hope it works out, but I'm worried it won't. It's an interesting concept, but the proof will be what happens when it gets in the hands of real people.

[@Treblaine]

Except .32 acp pistols have almost completely disappeared from the modern US market so .380 is the relevant comparison.

[@stephenurban9880]

The 30SC isn't going to fit in a small .380 pistol let alone a tiny .32acp.

[@mtthwpnn]

I carry a .327 every day, the lack of industry support doesn't bother me

[@RANDOMNATION907]

@John Rutherford, Thank YOU! . . . It seems people don't get that. The .32 acp has a semi-rimmed case. This is basically a .32 ACP straight case Magnum. Which is fine. .32 H&R Magnum for revolvers and I suppose lever action rifles and this 'new' .32 Semi-Auto specific Magnum for pistols and carbines. I think they're marketing this cartridge wrong.

[@PhycoKrusk]

I think that what ultimately determines the fate of this cartridge is going to be how small they can make the pistol that shoots it. That's already limited by the chamber pressure; this will not work in a straight blowback gun, and short recoil requires a certain amount of space to allow the barrel to tilt. What about roller delayed? Is something like that even worth considering, or would recoil be the only practical operation?

[@warrenharrison9490]

Less free states 10 round magazine limits make this 20% capacity increase moot for those individuals living there.

[@03Grunt-arrino]

Why would any gun owner still live there anyway?

[@Prepare2Survive]

Doesn't make it moot if they can put it in a 10rd gun that's smaller and lighter. Maybe under 16oz fully loaded.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Unless you have an 8 round capacity increased to 10.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

A glock 43 with 8 rounds isnt moot. A P365 in .30 Carry but capped at 10 is moot.

[@derekray7144]

.380 is going to be around for a very long time because John Moses Browning created it. 114 years later, his round is still in the game.

[@gmcjetpilot]

.380ACP is for girls.

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

That cartridge is dying. It's got a small niche, but it's shrinking. Add the fact that it is more pricey than 9 and I can't see it going anywhere but the grave as time goes on.

[@derekray7144]

@@gmcjetpilot Your momma is a girl.

[@harrysweeney7191]

No qualms about the .380, of course, but I still miss the .32 auto. I'd be happy with another Beretta Puma or Cheetah.

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

@@gmcjetpilot You've obviously never shot a micro 380.

[@colddeadhand7414]

"It's a niche between a 380 and a 9mm." 9mm makarov: Am I a joke to you?

[@seanwright1617]

It sounds interesting, but I bet it’s going to be way more expensive and way harder to find than 9mm, which is already good enough to do the job.

[@gamerbg294]

of course it will be, the 9mm is the most popular caliber, no caliber is "born" being popular and cheap (with very few exceptions) just to give you an idea the 9mm parabellum was "lucky" to have existed at the beginning of calibers for self loading pistol and having been a caliber made for one of the most influential pistols in history that obviously helped to popularize the caliber that is the Luger. the price of the .30 super carry will only be cheap if it becomes popular and one of the things that will most influence this will be the willingness of buyers to purchase this caliber, so more ammunition manufacturers will produce this caliber by increasing supply and reducing prices.

[@frisc0strangler207]

You are Wright 😉

[@seanwright1617]

@@gamerbg294 I understand that. I’m saying I think it’s going to be overly expensive. Like 300 Blackout, expensive as fuck.

[@gamerbg294]

@@seanwright1617 it's unfortunately, maybe there may be a light at the end of the tunnel, as full powered rifle calibers below .308 were not popular and suddenly the 6.5 creedmore managed to become popular, even though it's a much better caliber than .308 I believe that the best approach for the .30 super carry would be to compete with the .380 at first and who knows, maybe later it could expand to other areas

[@scottwatrous]

So from doing some quick numbers in CAD and making some guesses, I expect you could fit 40-41 rounds of .30 Super Carry in the equivalent of a 32rd 9mm magazine, while it being about 0.10" thinner in width. Overall that's a significant boost in mag capacity for a PCC.

[@jacobackley502]

Perhaps a more realistic market option will be 25 round mags in super compact carbines with folding stocks. That way it differentiates itself from 9mm pcc while not dropping into pistol territory

[@kyleh4244]

They said it gives a 20% increase in mag capacity so a 32 round 9mm would give about 38 rounds of 30 sc

[@chrisc2920]

Definitely could be a great PCC round

[@scottwatrous]

​@@kyleh4244 Yeah 38 is probably closer to correct. Still seems like it would be trivial to add a small bit of overall length to make an even 40-rd mag. Doing a bit more math looks like I could approx fit 32 rounds of 9mm in a volume of 6.58" and 40 rounds of .30 SC in a volume of 6.95" give or take some. Figure there's some extra room for spring, so overall mag length increase might be 3/4" or so. That gets you from 32 to 40 rounds tho, and at least 1/8" reduction in mag width. So by alternative It might be that one could fit a 30rd mag of .30 SC into a fairly compact mag (equiv of a 25rd 9mm) that could be sweet in a handgun with stock/grip/etc.

[@mikefelty2625]

If Glock starts chambering in .30 SC, those 50 round drum mags just became 60 rounders, and the beta double drums should hold 120! 😳

[@jaredb6418]

this could be a great option for those that live in countries that prohibit "military" calibers for civilian use.

[@External2737]

That I didn't think about. Until some military adopts it...

[@greybeard277]

I agree. Look at videos of shootings and most south of our border are using .380 because that is all they are allowed. May be a boon to self defense to many people.

[@NoTimeForThatNow]

7.62x25 pokes its head into convo…

[@demonprinces17]

Like Mexico Europe

[@ommsterlitz1805]

This is exactly my situation i wish this caliber get cheap and plentiful

[@jeremyhere2002]

My thoughts on 30 super carry: 1.) I love the idea. I want it to work. 2.) The report is likely to be crazy loud. No one is talking about that. 3.) If the recoil is the same as 9mm, that's a strike against it. 4.) 50000 psi seems to me to suggest some cycle problems if adapting existing 9's to the 30SC. Maybe not. But reliability problems will kill this round. 5.) Just by its nature this is going to be a deep penetration round. Will be attractive for that reason. 6.) I would really like to know what this thing could do with about a 70 grain copper, spitzer like projectile. The lower grain weight will certainly help with over penetration and the velocity will make one hell of a shock on impact. Now that would be a carry round. All in all I hope this isn't relegated to reloaders in a couple of years. I think the round has a ton of promise.

[@bubbajones5905]

2.) The report is likely to be crazy loud. No one is talking about that. No wonder they shot this CC pistol round in a 1911 for the adds. Imagine 50k PSI from a 3.1 inch barrel. My ears are ringing just thinking about it.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

It's a .32 caliber. The name is unfortunate. I could think of a lot of things Federal could have called it other than "30" Everything in .312" caliber: .32 S&W .32 S&W Long .32 ACP .32 H&R Magnum .30 Super Carry .327 Federal Magnum

[@matthewbeaver5026]

​@@exothermal.sprocket327 federal carry? 327 federal semi. It's dumb that they used 30 they should've at least called it 32 super carry. So that the name included the projectile size. About like 350 legend. Would've been ahead to call it 9mm magnum or 9mm rifle.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@matthewbeaver5026 Or how about simply "31auto".

[@kdingo6596]

No reason to abandon .380 or 9mm. 30 Super carry is a valid cartridge for CCW. Not necessarily a cartridge for a 1st gun (due to cost of ammo) but certainly an option for someone who has a 9mm or .380 and is looking for a dedicated self defense carry gun while not sacrificing the alternative options for range time.

[@tinkerpearce]

.30 SC is specifically for civilian use, so it meets a different need than service calibers and weapons. I want to play around with this one, but I gotta say it is a weird time to introduce a new cartridge. Has anyone else noticed this is basically .32 French Long +P?

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I hear Ian is both confused and excited.

[@danielboggan2479]

It takes several years to commercialize a cartridge. Same as 6.8 western, this was in the works for a few years minimum. It takes a while to get everything through SAAMI

[@AM-hf9kk]

I was thinking it sounds like .30 Carbine "Short."

[@lucastrask2838]

@@AM-hf9kk Had that thought. I'm hoping this will be a real winner.

[@TomKeown]

@@AM-hf9kk It's more like a 327 Federal Magnum "short".

[@Beardman770]

.32 French Long with modern powders & projectiles.

[@mattw3635]

I’ll stick with my 45 and SKS. -Elmer Fudd.

[@vladmordekeiser1054]

Paul Harrel's meat target is the only and final means of approving a cartridge. But in the end _you_ be the judge.

[@aaron9129]

Less powerful, less available, less options on bullet types, less proven and more expensive. 9mm still sounds better to me.

[@Cheka__]

Agreed. Without a doubt.

[@B.P._]

If I develop a carriage that fits into an AR and call it 6.9 NICE would anybody be interested?

[@JMR6813]

I’m excited about this round. 9mm ballistics, more capacity, slightly less recoil, better penetration, and higher velocity. What’s not to like?! I have wanted a modern 30/32 caliber semi-automatic pistol round for years!

[@ExF1Guy]

@@thejoatmoo It's also likely to be a lot louder as it's running 50ksi. Velocity is slightly lower with the same weight bullet, but you should be able to run lighter bullets for the same sectional density. I think a 9x19 necked down to .308 would have been more interesting... A modern 7.62x25

[@tristanc3873]

@@thejoatmoo By that measure there's a future .30SC +P.

[@920utdoors9]

Price, availability, one company making ammo, having to by a new gun, no compatibility with other mags.....to name a few

[@petermagnus9919]

Its going to be interesting to see if it beats its host guns to death like the .40S&W wich have a huge appetite for spare parts and whole guns. High pressure in a browning action equates to high wear and snappy recoil, so I expect less durable guns. 120 years of 9x19 have not come around by chance, and today with modern HP-bullets it have closed the gap to .45ACP wich existed back in the age of FMJ. If it gets dethroned, wich I dont for a minute belive. Then the calibre debate is back on....

[@JMR6813]

@@thejoatmoo They did tests through clothing and it penetrates about an inch more than the 9mm HST does through clothing. It’s a 100-115 grain bullet, so off angle strikes and barrier penetration will probably be very close to 9mm, in fact it may be better because the 30 Super Carry has better sectional density. Also, it’s not a fair comparison of saying it’s not the same as +p 9mm. If we are doing that, a +p version of this would need to be developed.

[@sixoaksfarm1556]

Public, "We need more ammo availability, and cheaper" Federal, "No"..

[@PhycoKrusk]

They started development on this way back when ammo _was_ cheap. They'd already sunk money, time, and people into starting production of this by the time COVID hit. They're going to stick with this because they don't have the resources to start producing other stuff; you don't just flip a switch and start making 9mm instead

[@Swampytheroot]

I started looking at the 30 Super Carry when I found out my Mom and Dad could no longer operate their cz-75 nor their Star PD that I gave them 30 years ago. Age and arthritis are both wicked. I looked at the EZ. Seems a reasonable choice. Then I looked at ammo cost. Nope. Y'all are getting 9mm EZs. No. I'm not that bad. The 30sc HST, Gold Dot and HTP are about the same as 9 in the same loadings. So that's workable. But the FMJ is twice as much. That's a problem as I'd appreciate them actually using them enough to be proficient and comfortable with them. Physics being what it is, I can't see the 30sc getting smaller than a P365. And then energy dictates it needs a strong recoil spring. I like it. But it's not the solution I was looking for. Other than possibly in the EZ. Nice video.

[@gregorylubbers8533]

I love having more choices but I think I'll pass on 30 super carry. I don't feel comfortable/confident shooting anything smaller than a 43X anyway, and with the 15 rd Shield mags I feel like that's plenty of capacity for a carry gun, especially with 2 spare mags. If I can't get by with 46 rds of 9mm, I don't think a few extra rds of 30 super carry are going to make any difference. That, and the higher ammo cost, don't really appeal to me. But hey, others may be need something smaller than a 43X for cc and this (30 super carry) could be their ideal carry combo.

[@Denner771]

What I get from it is; the .30 holds 2 more rounds in a magazine and is on par ballisticly/energy wise with a 115grn 9mm round, although a smaller diameter when expanded in gell. In my mind nothing beats the latest and greatest in the 147's in 9mm in this comparison, but to each their own.

[@videogamez3238]

Those 2 bullets can mean life or death lmao

[@ML-nj8fq]

@@videogamez3238 In what situation is those 2 rounds really “life or death” when 99% of self defense encounters end in less than 3 shots. I understand going from like 8 rnds to 15 but from 15 to 17 is not that big.

[@videogamez3238]

@@ML-nj8fq very true. Still wouldn’t mind having an extra two shots with the same potential as 9mm tho 😂 there’s crazy situations where it may be needed

[@teflondefcon1674]

that .4 more in exspansion might ne difference clipping the Aorta or not we can play this game all night

[@Frenchfrys17]

@@teflondefcon1674 Ok, with that logic why not carry .40 S&W instead of 9mm?

[@gew1898]

In the future the young guys advocating for .30sc will be yelling about capacity and shot placement. The old codgers will be advocating for the larger diameter and “knock down power” of the 9mm. . . and the beat goes on.

[@schul9169]

This looks sick. I can finally replace my .45 GAP Glock.

[@BrandonAilion]

Lol my buddy gave me some ammo one day, I was all excited as it looked like .45 acp hallow points. Turned out to be GAP and I was so confused how a guy with no interest in firearms could end up with such a thing.

[@daltonguthrie9296]

To me it seems like a auto version of the 32 magnum in every way. I love the 32magnum I have a jframe and several custom single actions have killed deer and hogs with 32magnum 112gr cast bullet at 1250fps once brass, dies are available ill pick up 30super

[@2lbsTrigrPull]

MAke or break is already the price. 9x19 ftw.

[@grenadier2980]

I love the 7.62x25. I would like to see a comparison. A 30 cal duel.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

7.62x25mm is a better cartridge ballistically, and only lacks from poor market offerings, but requires a much larger gun.

[@TheAfterPein]

The 124gr +P HST claim of 0.870" of expansion & 10" of penetration seems almost outlandish. Lucky Gunner's gel testing showed an average of ~0.66" of expansion (after 4 layers of denim) out of a M&P 9C. Even when Andrew did the test on TFB TV in bare gel (out of a shield, not a M&P 9C), it maxed out at ~0.663" of expansion, and even after denim it only expanded to ~0.675" in diameter. Federal's current MSRP of 9mm starts at $29 for plinking ammo, so the MSRP of .30SC is not unreasonable in the slightest. So, if real world testing will give us any data saying it will be close to not +P performance of 124gr HSTs in the carry loading, it might be worth taking a look at as long as the shooting experience/terminal ballistics don't disappoint.

[@iang438]

The numbers federal gives may be accurate. It depends on the barrel length they tested with. I like the lucky gunner test data it's a very good resource but I wish they had also tested some of the rounds out of full size instead of just sub compact handguns.

[@AFreeThinkingDawg09]

@@iang438 agreed on that, an inch can make quite the difference 😁 and I believe most testing listed on ammo boxes is from a full-size 4.5”+ barrel length unless stated otherwise

[@alphazuluz]

@RS H LeHigh Extreme Defender “beats everything else” in what way? Penetration? Sure. I could believe that. Actual wounding? I doubt that. Here in this video James quoted the FBI ballistics trial data that said something to the effect of, “wounding is a product of two factors alone: penetration and expanded diameter of the projectile”. Basically, the most important thing is the VOLUME of the permanent wound channel created. We can argue this stuff for years (it’s been raging online for decades now), but it’s pretty well accepted at this point that anything below 2000fps in velocity, or 1000ft-lbs of muzzle energy, lacks the energy to permanently damage tissue via “hydrostatic shock”, or temporarily stretching the walls of the wound cavity. To explain what I mean, when a bullet enters a body at velocity, the bullet displaces the tissue radially at a roughly perpendicular axis to the vector of penetration. With high energy rounds, like a rifle round, there is sufficient energy that displacing this tissue beyond its elastic point happens, and things tear, including blood vessels. However, with lower energy rounds, like pistols, the tissue surrounding the wound channel stretches, but does not tear. This means that the ONLY real damage occurs in the ACTUAL PATH of the bullet. So, if you compare a non-expanding round to one that expands to twice the diameter, and they penetrate the same, the expanding round would tear twice the amount of blood vessels, and create twice the bleeding. Bleeding, leading to hypovolemic shock, is the primary way pistol rounds stop attackers (besides pain or psychological stops). What all this means is that, no, non-expandable rounds will not beat expanding rounds, AT PISTOL ENERGY LEVELS, unless they penetrate much deeper. But if they penetrate much deeper, they will likely leave the body, thus wasting energy, which means less damage and higher chance of collateral damage.

[@understandingtruth10]

Very good overall review but unless they bring the prices down I don’t see it going anywhere; at $30 a box I’ll stick with 45 ACP, and I don’t mind a bigger gun in my pants, if you know what I mean James !

[@thesnoochieboochie]

nice analysis and thanks for the vid! Definitely going to pass on this solution-without-a-problem caliber. My regular carry is a 9m. if wife needs a quick trip for diaper/milk and I'm in my gym shorts I throw a little 380 in my pocket. both are the perfect tool. not sure a caliber between these two accomplishes anything.

[@TooManyChoices1]

Me:: “Myeh’s” in .40 S&W while laughing at the 9mm guys taking about muzzle energy now. 🤪🤣🤔

[@marklags2396]

Glock 42X. Chambered in 30SC. 10+1. There, I said it.

[@tfbtv]

o shit

[@BrandonAilion]

Exactly what I was thinking, sheild arms is coming out with 43 mags that will turn it into a 9+1 microcompact too

[@marklags2396]

@@BrandonAilion Not sure what you were thinking, but I never mentioned the 43 or 9mm.

[@BrandonAilion]

@@marklags2396 I was thinking the same they could update their 42 model to run this new cartridge. the name makes sense with the 42x as I am sure it would have a minimum of 10rnd mags too. then i just added that someone has already created a mag for the 43 to increase its capacity, but a new glock in super carry would probably do pretty well.

[@marklags2396]

@@BrandonAilion It is a great idea, would put Glock back in the good news.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

It's cool to see something new, but if it costs significantly more than 9mm, it's dead in the water.

[@MoldyStir-Fry]

I wish I could find 9mm for under $30 a box... Around here it's still around 50

[@shainshartershwate7421]

@@MoldyStir-Fry here in Texas at academy 9mm is stocked to the gills for 18-20$ a box, a good amount of 380 to be found too, also 45. 40 is hard to come by, as is 38sp, 357m and 44

[@MoldyStir-Fry]

@@shainshartershwate7421 well, looks like I'm driving 2,000 miles for a quick ammo run 😅. Seriously, even IF I can find any here in PA, it's stupid expensive.

[@MoldyStir-Fry]

@@ReptilianLepton usually not, because you generally get raped on shipping. Haven't been on my usual sites lately though, so I should definitely check that out again.

[@bravowhiskey4684]

I'll stay with 124 +P 9mm Luger. This is not a solution to any actual problem.

[@joeblow4566]

I think it's going the way of the dodo bird trying to reinvent the wheel I don't get it time will tell

[@antpassalacqua]

what problem does 9mm solve that 45 doesn’t

[@magicgeek1237]

@@antpassalacqua capacity, from my understanding

[@Sagart999]

My thought as well. An answer in search of a problem. I disagree with Federal's advertising where they tout number only the number of rounds available and POTENTIALLY the split times between shots. Effective damage to the target depends a lot on the expanded diameter of the bullet.

[@antpassalacqua]

@@magicgeek1237 so the exact same thing you get from 30sc compared to 9mm?

[@rogerrains5131]

.30 super carry OAL = 1.169 in (29.7 mm) .380 acp OAL = .984 in (25.0 mm) 9mm OAL = 1.169 in (29.69 mm) (per wikipedia) The 30 super carry is the exact same overall length of 9mm so It looks like this round will not be able to fit into handgun frames natively designed around the 380 auto. This round is appealing, hopefully it does meet the same fate as the .327 federal magnum.

[@eddiet204]

In my 30 year LEO career, I’ve seen many killed or permanently disabled by 22LR up to 380 and, conversely, seen survivors hit multiple times by 45 ACP. Connect to the head or vitals and you’re going to drop whoever you’re shooting at. Surprise, speed, and accuracy will win a gunfight regardless of caliber. Aim small, miss small. Can’t wait to get my 30 SC Shield :)

[@MsTugg]

Several months ago on Handgun Radio Podcast, Weerd and Ryan interviewed Ian McCollum and invaribly .32French Long came up. The discussion drifted to modern applications of the chambering and a hypothetical SIG P365 chambered in .32 holding 15 rounds was posited. The same pros being discussed now were discussed on that podcast: higher capacity, lower recoil, higher penetration, SMG compatibility, etc. It is very interesting to see this topic come full circle with a real world product.

[@christianarrington6492]

Lets just hope no one is going to waste their R&D budget making any more PCC's and wannabe sub-guns period. This will flop just like most things Ian from Forgotten Weapons speaks on as the name of the channel suggests.

[@EricDaMAJ]

Doesn’t sound all that great to me. But we’ll see. What I’d like to see is a reliable .22LR sized round that fires out of a reliable, easy to manage micro compact automatic pistol with absurd capacity and higher velocities. Kinda like a .25 ACP but done right and a platform that isn’t a joke.

[@Shaun_Jones]

So what, like a rimless centerfire .22 magnum?

[@Name-tf4qp]

A 32 acp double stack striker fired micro compact with small light rail

[@judgestacker9472]

So.... 25 super carry? .257 auto magnum? I've drooled over the idea of a cartridge like that for years. Mostly for the idea of 30 round flush fit duty pistols OoooooRrrrrrr it's so thin, make a surefire quad stack magazine that holds atleast 50 rounds in a duty pistol.

[@bladesmith3]

yeah. what we need is a super carry 25 lol

[@gamerbg294]

@@judgestacker9472 I had already imagined a caliber between .27 and .29, as they can have around 1/3 or 25% more ammunition than 9mm and still manage to maintain a projectile weight that allows an expansion of up to .50 combined with a good penetration

[@robertl6196]

So .32 French Long? WTF? Somewhere, Ian McCullom is smiling.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

I think he's upset. This whole time someone could have mass produced more baguette bullets but they did this?

[@Robb-n6b]

Super Carry selection is really miniscule, all the gun shops in my area have next to none on their shelves. It's been that way for eight months. I only see two Super Carry S&W guns around, and that's only in one or two stores. Many gun stores have none on hand. It's not that those S.C. guns are continually being sold out. It's because almost no one is opting for guns in Super Carry. From the start, the ammunition companies should have had the sense to price Super Carry a couple of dollars per box less than 9MM. With inflation rising, people opt for better priced ammunition. Instead Super Carry ammunition is priced several dollars more per box than the already inflated priced 9MM and 380. Super Carry is going the way of 32 acp, which is almost extinct, and can cost twice what a box of 9MM does.

[@johnw4999]

I bet if the alphabet soup guys (that most seem to dislike except for caliber decisions) said the .25 ACP was the best for self defense, folks would flock to it 🙄 … if you want capacity, go for a KelTec in .22 magnum and enjoy a flush fit, 30 rd magazine, lol. Maybe design 25 rd flush fit mag for a super compact .25… I know, that’s stupid and so is this cartridge. Is it me, or is it odd that folks are pushing smaller, less powerful rounds? Hmm The .40 is a great round… oh wait, people call it short and weak, but contemplating this .30 cartridge? Come on man, LOL I’d say most cops are not shooters - I wore a badge for a few years.

[@Meand3023]

Theoretically, this could make the LCP Max a good option in 30 Super Carry. Possibly, it could make the price of 380 drop.

[@ethinos2719]

I don't think it would. The 30 Super Carry probably won't fit in the same frame as the LCP Max as 30 Super Carry is quite a bit longer than .380 (and even slightly longer than 9mm), and really only will supplant existing 9mm options. So, it would work in the Max-9, not the LCP Max.

[@WickedDealer]

Not sure how you figure that when 380 is made on the same machines as 9mm and only produced like half the time because of it.

[@jackburton7959]

More like turn the LCP Max into a hand grenade.

[@johnshields9110]

@@jackburton7959 Yep. I was about to buy a LCP Max but this new 30 round holds some interest, but, it's longer and longer rounds always, always changes the working dynamics on any auto loader. 50000 psi is going to need some special steel breuing. Somebody must have tested this, if not, it's going to be a 'grenade'.

[@jackburton7959]

@@johnshields9110 agreed; yet, I do not regret buying the LCPMax. As with everything, it is a compromise. I know my wife can handle the LCPMax if she needs to go "light." Even if the metallurgy was there for a 50k psi cartridge in a little dink ass blicky like an LCP, you can bet your starfish it will snap you back like a Scandium framed Performance Center with full house .357 mag in it.

[@Just_A_Gun_Guy]

A pointless round that will be overpriced like .380 is except you'll never get enough to stockpile or train with it. Meh

[@tenney15]

Reminds me of .40 but without the mass law enforcement adoption. A good idea on paper, but practically not so much. How will it gain traction, how will costs be low and supply high, who's making guns for it. Not to mention the majority opinion on the current ammo shortage...

[@mot0rhe4d40]

Right on more than one front there. Especially on the ammo side.

[@tinncan]

40 is pretty sweet though... Longshot and 135gr projectiles are nuts...

[@cristianespinal9917]

The thing is that the .40 S&W was solving a legitimate problem at the time. Bullet tech wasn't as good when it came out, so if you're risking unreliable expansion, 0.045" more diameter than 9mm along with better barrier penetration than both 9mm and .45 ACP was a good solution. And this was all in a gun the same size as a 9mm instead of a .45 sized gun like the 10mm. It's still a great option in capacity-restricted states. As far as the .30 Super, I agree with all your concerns about timing and support. I don't think it will get very far off the ground, and if it doesn't die off quickly, I doubt it will ever hold much market share. It'll probably be something like the .327 Federal in revolvers.

[@luasmartinez1262]

Internet commando reply coming directly from my parents basement, or so you'd hope. Now I realize that I don't have a KZbin forum to proclaim my knowledge or firearms or the use of firearms, as I am only a combat veteran and LEO. I am calling you out on how easy it is to show "experts", and I am assuming you being an attorney realize the legal definition of an expert is merely having someone else declare/call you an expert regardless of your credentials or the lack of credentials, can be proven to let their egos speak when logic/truth/facts won't be used by said "expert". When you used he term "desanguination" you probably would/should have used the terms SANGUINATION or EXSANGUINATION. While "desanguination" may be in common usage as the word "ain't" is used, placing the prefix DE in front of the word sanguination implies the stopping of blood loss, which would defeat the purpose of the statement you were making. I make this comment to merely poke fun at you, not trying to humiliate or embarrass you personally in any way. Anyone that wears short shorts on a KZbin channel is beyond petty embarrassment and humiliation. I am only stating an opinion, and EVERYONE has an opinion as well as an....well I'm sure you know the rest. That being said I enjoy the content of TFB TV and the antics and speech of the cast and look forward to more laughter and unnecessary comments....AIN'T we all....just sayin'.

[@anthonynovelli2164]

Thanks for the review. I saw the Federal 30 Super videos last week and wondered what the price per round would be. At 60 cents per round, I'll stick with 9mm at half that.

[@jeremyshackelford8080]

With that much chamber pressure, it seems like an LCP sized gun would be pretty brutal

[@chaimafaghet7343]

Pressure doesn't matter (assuming nothing kabooms of course), bolt thrust does. Bolt thrust is lower. Also the pressure seems to be over-reported, possibly the proof load. Loading up 7.65 Longue to 100gr at 1250fps calculates a pressure of 37-38k psi.

[@Vox-Populi]

I'm still digging my Colt 1911 in 38 Super...😁

[@FISHINGMO-i9s]

Assuming the round lives up to the hype, I could justify it in a smaller subcompact carry gun just to get the capacity up. But if you carry a full size 9mm with already good capacity, I don't see the point of switching since +P 9mm is more powerful and you still have good capacity. Definitely caught my attention though.

[@Mpeterson1286]

This. I'm thinking P365 12rnd flush mags and 14-15 round reloads replacing the 10s and 12s. Maybe replace the 15s with 20s?

[@judgestacker9472]

I dont know man. A glock 19 would be 18 rounds in a flush fit and a glock 17 would be 20-21 rounds in a flush fit magazine. That's pretty dang good.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

@@judgestacker9472 yeah I don't get the thinking, most of us use mag extensions for this reason

[@mtnbound2764]

the new csx with 15 rounds in basically the same size as the 12 round mag? sounds pretty cool, if the ammo was actually affordable.

[@PhycoKrusk]

The ultimate determining factor is going to be how small they can make the .30 SC guns. If you're stuck with a .380 size pistol, that might be a hard sell for the reasons outlined (more expense, less availability). However, if they can get them closer in size to a .32, now we've got something. And let's not forget the final big question: Compared to 9mm, how does .30SC perform against body armor? If it will still do the job against unarmored targets, but penetrates armor better, I could see it generating interest as a police round. Especially if the performance is better enough out of a 16 inch barrel that they could swap in a PCC in place of the AR-15 in their cruiser. (This scenario seems unlikely; even if a PCC is that much better, it's never going to match .223)

[@germaxicus6670]

I hope this does well. 9mm won over .40 because of cost. This .30 super carry will likely cost less more than 9mm or .380. Based on that I don’t see it succeeding.

[@commonsenseisntcommon1776]

We can all agree that the 9mm is bigger and has more size, but would you rather have 2-3 more rounds that are slightly less in a gun fight? I say YES! I love my 30 super in my S&W Shield +

[@paulvenn4447]

Whenever a new fad cal comes out it's always the same problem, what problem is this trying to solve? (aka but why?)

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

In theory one gets 9x19 ballistics (115 grains at 1,250 fps) with a slightly higher capacity.

[@antpassalacqua]

Most importantly we can get back to larping as bad bad leroy brown he keeps a 32 gun in his pocket for fun, he’s got a razor in his shoe

[@smithwesson7765]

The old .30 Mauser pushed an 86 grain bullet at 1410 fps and developed 375 lbs of muzzle energy. This was back in 1893. What's old is new ?

[@jacobackley502]

30 mauser has a comparable case head diameter to 9mm and a much longer oal. 30 scarry is tiny because it's super high pressure for a pistol cartridge. Great for holding a bunch of rounds in a small gun, bad for intense muzzle blast.

[@a22024]

@@jacobackley502 sounds like 327 fed mag

[@stephen_crumley]

Smith Wesson *there’s nothing new under the sun*

[@5roundsrapid263]

9mm Luger was originally .30 Luger, bottlenecked like a 357 Sig. What’s old is new again…

[@UpcomingJedi]

Just another BUY ME! caliber. Nothing new over a .32. Its just hype to get people to buy more ammo....but is it available on the shelf? You cant buy something that does not exist at the store. I dont see that this would be something I want to buy since I already own several 9mm guns and I can reload those all day. No need for another set of dies and more reloading books that include this new pie in the sky caliber. All they need is a tag line at the end of the commercial to Find new Roads.

[@MrMaguyver]

Reminds me of 327 Federal Magnum. Love that cartridge, but only Ruger makes guns for it and it's essentially unobtanium unless you reload. Hope this one does better.....

[@justahologram2230]

Its the middle sibling of 7.65mm French Long and .30 Carbine

[@edwardfowble9429]

Yes. 30 Pederson as well

[@newdefsys]

Yeah, and its got red hair and dad suspects mom of cheating.

[@justinlitynski2347]

It appears to be close in velocity to 32-20 Winchester. But rimless.

[@douglasmcneil8413]

.32acp magnum. It'll get about as much market share as the .327 magnum. It's not a bad idea per se. I just don't think it's going to generate as much interest as they hope.

[@PhycoKrusk]

I'm curious to see how it'll perform against armor. If it does end up being about as effective on meat as 9mm, but penetrates armor better, that combined with the higher capacity could make it very attractive to law enforcement.

[@maledetto1221]

Basically the 7.65 para

[@jonathangoerke1485]

I prefer 32 action express

[@ElmCreekSmith]

They could call it the .32 Mighty Mouse! (Did I just date myself?)

[@douglasmcneil8413]

@@ElmCreekSmith 🤣🤣

[@afropposch6991]

I see this going the way of 357 sig or 22 TCM. I think it'll be expensive, it'll see some niche use, and some people will love it. I just can't see it taking over the defensive pistol world.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

It will be niche, I think it'll fit in right where the .327 Fed Mag does.

[@PhycoKrusk]

It's going to come down to 2 questions: How small can they make the gun, and how does it do against armor. If they can get the size down to in-between .32 and .380, that's a winner: Smaller than .380 size with bigger than .380 power. (This seems like a longshot to me) If it penetrates armor better than 9mm, it will look attractive to law enforcement (provided it can still incapacitate a human effectively)

[@sulaco2122]

9mm rimmed

[@PhycoKrusk]

@@sulaco2122 8mm, actually. .357 magnum would be 9mm rimmed.

[@sulaco2122]

@@PhycoKrusk I was talking about the 9mm rimmed cartridge that they tried out a couple years ago for a new revolver. Didn't last long

[@EduardoJimenez-rk8nw]

Price is KING ! TOO EXPENSIVE ! ILL TAKE THE 9MM . and the 22mag for smaller ccw .

[@124thDragoon]

It's 7.65x20 French Long with heavier bullets and higher operating pressures. I've been wondering if something like this could be done ever since I first fired a French 1935A. I don't normally care all that much for new wonder calibers, but this really has me intrigued.

[@ratagris21]

Oui!!!

[@jamesW8316]

Rebarrel all those French pistols, might be interesting.

[@124thDragoon]

@@jamesW8316 I suspect none of them have enough mass in their slides to properly keep their actions locked long enough for pressure to subside. Even with newly manufactured barrels, I’m pretty sure they’d rupture cases during extraction. Maybe with much stronger recoil springs it’d work, but I’m skeptical.

[@henryhenry7170]

A "high pressure" round that is being introduced with a 3" barrel gun... pass.

[@ethinos2719]

I know, right? Except that things like .357 Magnum are still used in snub nosed revolvers today so I guess there's a place in today's market for it.

[@Bran_Nuthin]

WHAT?!? I CANT HEAR YOU!

[@patforet7336]

James, good review on up coming round. For now I'll stick to my 327 fed mag ruger and 380 defender rounds for deep carry.

[@justice3188]

30 carbine short will be a very cool new round

[@ErebosOnTwoWheels]

Diamondback db9 gen 4 is 9mm+p and very close in size to LCP or 380 bodyguard, I see no reason why a 30sc couldn't be made to work in something based on a similar platform.

[@bigdog4574]

federal needs to stop waisting everyone's time and produce more 9mm... don't distract us with the 30 super carry... absolutely idiotic.

[@cbroz7492]

Sounds/looks like .327 Federal Magnum made for semi autos

[@jameshobbs1104]

Thanks James , I will stay with 9mm . 9mm +P when needed .

[@fmaraldo2829]

"Police miss 70-80% of their shots..." Most police I know fire their service weapons the week before qualifications, and then the day of qualifications.

[@RangerOfTheOrder]

A range is nothing like being under fire with your life on the life. You get tunnel vision, adrenaline starts pumping, your fine motor control goes to shit, and anything resembling clear thought vanishes. Edit, I think I misunderstood your comment initially.

[@fmaraldo2829]

@@RangerOfTheOrder I understand that. You are much more likely to miss in these sort of situations. However, my comment was mainly to point out that most police officers do not get the extensive training needed to perform effectively in these situations nor do most practice regularly to become proficient on their own time.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

There is no excuse for the marksmanship failures you read constantly in the paper..."3 officers fire 45 shots at a suspect wounding him twice" that is a direct quote from my local paper, the officers were 10-15 yards away, fired FORTY FIVE times and actually hit the guy twice. There is no excuse. Qualification for most police departments is a joke. It should be more like a 3 gun match. Timed and under pressure. And anyone who doesn't perform should be given a billyclub and relegated to parking patrol.

[@fmaraldo2829]

@@jacktheaviator4938 I like the way you think. Same should go for unarmed combat and deescalation. They should all have to train in Jui-Jitsui with a continuing ranking system. The fact that they can shoot 45 times and only hit twice gives you a sense of how little training and responsibility they have for every bullet fired. Imagine you as a common citizen unloading that much ammunition in a self defense situation. Would you be treated as kindly? Absolutely not.

[@jacktheaviator4938]

@@fmaraldo2829 the worst part is, it was 3 officers shooting, so at least one of them didn't hit anything at all. And this is in a dense urban area (Toledo) and there were bystanders present. So any one of those misses could have taken a bad ricochet (or just a wild shot) and killed some innocent kid.

[@larcoal2963]

Marginal performance delta, yet 9mm is infinitely more globally used. 30SC will not catch on. 9mm, 40, and 45 (and a few others) cover all modern handgun needs, at least for defense.

[@SodakSpiff]

“You can’t just drop a 30 super barrel into a 9mm gun and expect it to work.” That’s what everyone said 20 years ago about dropping 9mm barrels into 40s and truth be told most 9mm conversions run better than the factory 40 barrels ever did.

[@MerpSquirrel]

Well except a 40sw and 9mm have the same chamber pressure and same frame. the 30SC is 15k more PSI. So the 9mm gun wasnt designed to handle those stresses. Its like putting a 10mm barrel in a 40sw gun as a better analogy, could work if the mag fit, but also could blow up in your face.

[@asathomas84]

@@MerpSquirrel What about doing the reverse? Buy a 30sc Shield Plus, and drop in a 9mm barrel. Assuming the magazines are interchangeable or at least compatible, that could be a way to dabble in the new caliber without potentially ending up with a totally useless gun.

[@MaaveMaave]

@@MerpSquirrel the energy is the same as 9mm though. The slide will see the same backwards force. The chamber/barrel see the increased pressure but the barrel is thicker so it's prob fine

[@Bran_Nuthin]

For awhile now I've been wondering why no one ever tried cutting down a .30 carbine to 9mm oal. Course I was thinking of something firing heavy subsonics from a suppressed weapon.

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

Saw 30 Super Carry, immediately looked for 120-130 grain .312 bullets, only found 120 cast lead 😟

[@Bran_Nuthin]

@@danielpope3579 I was thinking more about kinda a centerfire 22 on steroids. Something that'd be more reliable, have better penitration, and fire a bullet more than twice the weight of a 22 lr.

[@amazed2341]

Reinventing the wheel known as .32 ACP tbh. There is nothing wrong .32 ACP for defensive purposes in guns like the beretta 81, or the Cz83, with double stack it has fantastic capacity. There’s a reason it was the standard for almost 70 years after it came out

[@amazed2341]

@J R another wheel reinventer that failed, cool in like a skorpion tbh

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The reason is because 9mms couldn't be made small and light enough to compete.

[@ctapmgriley]

Can't wait to see what James thinks about the 30 SC.

[@antiheldd.3081]

If there is a matching Glock or Hi-Point, he'll love it.

[@jackburton7959]

Keltec p30SCAT

[@ElmCreekSmith]

With a 25 round magazine.

[@esegoldberg]

As an older guy who is starting to look at S&W EZ models(but still carries a 1911 in 45 acp. I'm a former Marine. A 1911 was my first semi-auto and I've never looked back...:)). This new round is interesting. It's funny that you mentioned what happened with 40 S&W/9 mm. I went to 9 mm over 40 S&W because good 9 mm handguns became inexpensive and I didn't feel I was losing much going from the 40 S&W to 9 mm, since it was a caliber I only carried once in a while. If this new round gives me 20% more capacity with a slide that's pretty easy to rack and 80% of the knock down power of a 9 mm, I'd be foolish not to consider it.

[@jimbo2.094]

Ammo will be available in 4-7 years.

[@mattfleming86]

I've been waiting on a 32 "super" for a long time. I'm probably in if I can get brass!

[@Je3perscre3pers]

Ive been reloading for 10 years and 50k psi with pistol powder is somewhat daunting. Alot to mess up on imo

[@RouteBGP]

@@Je3perscre3pers Been loading 9mm Para to make major for decades. Shorter recoil impulse and less expensive than 38 Super. Stop when the primers start to flatten out. :)

[@Prepare2Survive]

@@RouteBGP Probably will need to use small rifle primers and heavier hammer / striker springs with this 50,000 psi 30 Super Carry

[@Je3perscre3pers]

@@RouteBGP oh yeah flattened primers are a no go. Ive learned that with loading 556 pressure 223Rem. Got any pointers on 9mm+p+ or major for a millenial loader? I have a bunch of power pistol and idk if regular 9mm brass holds up because ive been wanting to load 45super for my USP and know i need better brass.

[@mattfleming86]

@@Je3perscre3pers Depending on how your throat is reamed, Ramshot silhouette, 3n38, n350. I load 3n38 to "cant fit any more in there" and likely still sit in std +p territory. powder choice matters. Sil has less case fill but meters like a dream. To start out, use federal primers. they are nice and squishy soft. They will flatten b e f o r e you get into trouble. Good measuring stick. I use CCI primers then and work back up to that velocity, but without flat primers. I do use full power recoil springs for my spicy meatball loads. No gamer springs you need the dwell time.

[@jamesjusick1462]

It reminds me of the .327 Federal Magnum revolver round. Same game but for auto pistols vs revolvers. I thought they would have learned last time.

[@danielboggan2479]

327 federal has been a success though. Yeah it’s not a monster seller but it does well. Plus federal sells reloading components when markets aren’t crazy and offering stuff for more obscure cartridges is a way to keep turning a profit in lean years

[@Subpac_ww2]

@@danielboggan2479 during mid 2021 I couldn't find .357 Mag anywhere. Yet my local shop had about 1200 rounds of .327 Fed sit and survive the entire "ammo scare". Collecting more dust. If no one bought it up in 2020, no one ever will.

[@danielboggan2479]

@@Subpac_ww2 every store around me sold out of it immediately. They could have moved it easy if they actually wanted too

[@Subpac_ww2]

@@danielboggan2479 considering everything else moved(besides the .460 Rowland) I suspect it had nothing to do with them not trying hard enough....they had to put limits on all ammo. Yet, it sat. Being the most popular(and BA) gun store within a 30 miles radius of where I currently sit, that tells me few people in NE Ohio jumped on the .327 Badwagon. It's still there I suspect, waiting for you.

[@bobbygrey5859]

Why get a 30 super carry for a couple of extra rounds. If you spend time with your 9mm practicing a lot as I do & you won't have to worry about shots on target in a real scenario. Shoot often and accurate you'll be alright with your 9mm. But more rounds are good too so we'll welcome 30 super to our world. Thanks for giving a shout out to Top Gun Shooting Supply too.

[@scruggy3337]

well, I just load Daddy's (RIP) blunderbuss with broken glass mayonnaise jars. It does the job better than them federal peas!

[@cliffordmontana4562]

I’ll keep my 40 s&w carry pistol as my EDC. I keep a 13 round m2.0 compact with 4” barrel in my right front jeans pocket. Fits great and shoots awesome. 40 hits hard!

[@tr1ppl3M]

Have you considered a .357 sig conversion? Way more power. same capacity same favorite pistol.

[@cliffordmontana4562]

@@tr1ppl3M To be honest, no I haven’t. I’m to the point where I have enough calibers to worry about and buy ammo for. I have 22lr, 9mm, 40, 45, 5.56, 300 blackout, 308 win, 7.62x39, 450 bushmaster. It’s hard enough (and expensive enough) to keep ammo for those calibers. I’ve heard awesome things about .357 sig however.

[@tr1ppl3M]

@@cliffordmontana4562 totaly understand. Thats whats stopped me from trying a wheel gun in .327 mag.

[@DK-gy7ll]

The .30 Super Carry allegedly generates 50,000+ PSI. That really complicates making Ruger LCP-sized pistols in the caliber. It'll probably make more sense in a SIG P365-sized pistol.

[@tormentorxl2732]

OHHHHHH. A .30 18ish rd 365xl?! That would be something

[@josuefarvizu1118]

Hope it works out for them. I'm still sticking with 9mm and 45acp.

[@nsturm3572]

Come on, FBI, adopt the .30 super as the ultimate service caliber and then drop it twenty years from now with a lame excuse, such as the high chamber pressure snaps the agents’ fingernails and thus they miss

[@gailmrutland6508]

*More is always better but 16 vs 12 rounds, if you can't get it done in 12, load another mag. AND get to the range WAY more often!*

[@hunterbrooks826]

I could see the .30 super carry being really cool in the Beretta Cheetah series. I had an 85fs in .380 until a tragic boating accident. I would be interested to see the baby m9 reintroduced in .30 super. I love the cheetahs.

[@VMEMotor5]

That was my thought as well. I love my 84F, but the .380 round is underwhelming, especially in a gun this size. .30SC may well work in guns like the Cheetah, but not in the tiny .380s like the LCP series or the Colt Mustang and it's derivatives.

[@germaxicus6670]

I literally lost anything the government would want to track ever in a boating accident. I hope you are recovering from your loss friend.

[@BillWilsonBG]

With those pressures you won't be seeing it in anything that started out life as a blowback operated design.

[@errolwilcox747]

I can attest that buying/owning firearms leads to decreased proficiency in operating watercraft. My firearms all took a swim in the Atlantic as well. Tragic.

[@dimman77]

@@BillWilsonBG Exactly, they said pressure was nearly double .380 and same recoil as 9mm. You're probably not going to see this in a subcompact unless it has some kind of delay system.