What is the Optimal Price to Charge for Toilets in RCT2?

[@user-vd8uu1ef4w]

Most unrealistic thing about RCT2 is that all customers flush after they're done

[@BruinPhD2009]

...and they probably don't wash their hands, either.

[@wxl2562]

@@TheWatchernator petition to update OpenRCT that allows vandals to break toilets when angry and need to use the bathroom. As well have clean up crew / sweepers be the ones who fix the toilets instead of mechanics.

[@princesscadance197]

@@BruinPhD2009 That’s what bothers me more than anything regarding public restrooms. Like really? You’re going to use something that everyone uses, and not wash your hands?

[@KotoriHabane]

@@princesscadance197 Exactly, ever since I was very young I always washed my hands more often than anyone else I knew, and I even had family members that pretty much never washed their hands at all(like once per week, it was horrid).

[@StefanVeenstra]

@@princesscadance197 Public toilets are similar to prostitutes: you never know who went before.

[@reillywalker195]

I normally charge just $0.10 for toilets. Customers never complain about them being too expensive, but the revenues nevertheless help cover their operating costs.

[@deathisnear2424]

My friend always called that the 'Dime A Dump'.

[@octaviacoquus8857]

It's also a lot easier to imagine the stalls being unlocked when you put in a dime, rather than needing to have an attendant fumble about with change.

[@octaviacoquus8857]

@@Bobo-ox7fj pecunia non olet

[@Scudmaster11]

I did 1$

[@DreHill1]

I always charge 30 cents. They also never complain.

[@popahglo3609]

Anti-clickbait, my favorite

[@Paintplayer1]

The best part is, I'll attentively watch a 12 min Marcel video but will skip the same length click bait video. Because Marcel actually makes engaging content and not just an over the top thumbnail and title. Maybe click bait producers should take note

[@MichaelfromtheGraves]

He did the same with mowing the grass. I love it.

[@BierBart12]

The answer is in the thumbnail/title, but you CAN watch it if you want a longer explanation This man goes above and beyond. Imagine if journalism could afford to do this

[@Paintplayer1]

@@BierBart12 they can afford to do it, but it would require them being forthright with their viewers and prioritizing their job of putting out information over profit from special interest groups

[@daskampffredchen]

Its just giving you the point. But then you simply wonder why and watch it to find out. Even in the mowing grass one I wanted to know if there really was no positive benefit (also learned that RCT2 deactivates the option and that it isnt an OpenRCT2 thing)

[@MarkBiesheuvel]

Perhaps another thing to take into account is that fact that when a guest is walking to a toilet, they are not paying for more expensive rides. Therefore it might make sense to set the price to 10 cents, so they can always go right away, instead of walking to the toilet and turning around because of the high price. This way they can continue on to spend more money elsewhere.

[@draco89123]

I just make it free, because I'm cleaning house with the priced rides. If it's park ticket only, then there's a logic to 30 cent toilets.

[@Arjay404]

I asked the same question. The one problem I can see with making it free or 10 cents, is that it encourages the guests to go the toilets more often which means they are not paying for rides more often. I wonder if there is a cooldown before they get the desire to go to the toilet again and if they have a memory about the price because if there is, I would say having the price be higher makes more sense as that would mean they walk to the toilets less to begin with. Also does the amount of time a guests spend in a toilet change based on how full their toilet bar is.

[@MarkBiesheuvel]

@@Arjay404 Marcel said that the guests will go to the toilet if their value is above 70 wether the toilet is too expensive or not. If it is indeed that simple, I assume they would spend a lot of time unnecessarily walking over to a toilet, only to find out it's too expensive.

[@StefanVeenstra]

Guests spend decades in your park without going home or calling in sick for work. Patience my boy, they'll pay the price eventually, and still enjoy your rides.

[@ruediix]

20 cents gets a more than sufficient percentage.

[@cypriencoon8744]

7:53 "I did this for all six possible toilet prices and, to get a larger sample size, I did it three times per price and then took the average." This is why I absolutely love you, Marcel

[@rjhelms]

I'm pretty sure we studied this in 4th year microeconomics.

[@PTB_BE]

"Should your toilets be free?" Morally? Yes. But the urge to make money says max price.

[@bultwini]

*money*

[@NaughtyPrincessfkhandles]

Just change them $300 and say its the ride of the their life....... when they are about to explode

[@michaelt5188]

in my RP i think of it as them paying for toilet tissue or something similar...it's not uncommon in the 3rd world for places to charge for those as the free rider dilemma hasn't really been overcome yet.

[@daskampffredchen]

@@michaelt5188 Its not only 3rd world. I went to some places in Germany that you had to pay for the toilet

[@hellatze]

so you want to piss ? chose: grass or toilet.

[@EchoingRuby]

God that park at 4:40 is so beautiful, I thought someone had modded in a shader for a second.

[@Paintplayer1]

I thought the same thing

[@StefanVeenstra]

100% of guests will pay that 60 cents if you wait long enough. (And place more food and drink stalls) I have not yet been able to add a functional photo section to the toilet in Openrct2, it requires an entrance and exit and while I've gotten them to use the entrance, they never leave. (Probably has something to do with there being no existing car/train for the toilet.)

[@AvenDonn]

Yes officer this comment right here

[@WingMaster562]

Indeed, all of this sounds so horrible, without or even with proper context. The more I read, the worse it gets. No, not even Akio as your profile pic would be able to redeem yourselr.

[@Elbenzo64]

And flush... SAY CHEESE

[@steviethespring]

yea, the whole video is predicated on an arbitrary %. Bad work Marcel

[@glennzone12]

True, but the Park Rating will tank.

[@erik060208]

Marcel, you mentioned to put Deurklink's guide to shop prices in the description, but I think you forgot

[@MarcelVos]

My bad, fixed it. The first few minutes of the video are oddly relevant now lol.

[@bekerson4980]

I wonder how much free drinks affect this, if you end up making a profit overall, or just lose money

[@rickpgriffin]

Given that drinks base cost .30 (or so) to provide and you can charge a lot more for them, free drinks probably not. But question: does undercharging for drinks/food cause the average toilet value of the park to go up faster? I doubt it'd affect profits because toilet base price is naturally so cheap, profits from any increased toilet use would probably be marginal and under the rounding threshold

[@lucasduque8289]

That would be a cool thing to test out. Could be a good idea for a future video

[@daskampffredchen]

@@rickpgriffin Now I want to see a custom scenario where you have to make a certain profit from toilets

[@tifforo1]

Toilets are one of the least profitable things in your park, at least on a per-guest basis. But the volume can be high.

[@TheTdw2000]

perhaps not free but I'd imagine setting the price so that everyone who sees the drinks stand buys one is a profitable decision

[@ReddFiveOhOh]

I'm always down to listen to the less-important mechanics of RCT just because learning is fucking radical. Like "guests exploding on a mini-golf" levels of radical.

[@lostboy6268]

I really appreciate that you give the answer to the Title Question in the Thumbnail. I watch the whole thing regardless, but man, it´s nice to see someone who´s actually about informing people without clickbaiting. You deserve all the success my man.

[@warmCabin]

8:57 So basically you're finding the optimal piss to money conversion ratio

[@epicboomshine6595]

It’s liquid gold.

[@gideonmele1556]

They’re practically flushing their money away

[@jacobnicola5950]

@@epicboomshine6595 literally alchemy

[@dawndefender]

Pecunia non olet, as the Romans used to say

[@stuartdparnell]

Add plenty of lemonade stalls and few eateries, with few toilets and you've gotten yourself a winning combo!!

[@DeLorean4]

Marcel: * Mentions ATMs * Me: * Cries in RCT1 *

[@Basssiiie]

Then again the maths may also be different in RCT1. :P

[@claudetheclaudeqc6600]

me, doing extreme heights or any "no money" scenarios: "we don't make guest pay, everything is free*

[@heroestratos]

What is the context behind this?

[@MisterDutch93]

@@heroestratos RCT1 had no ATMs, meaning if your guests run out of money, they’re out.

[@StefanVeenstra]

@@claudetheclaudeqc6600 Imagine a scenario with “■ no money” enabled and the only object you can place is the ATM.

[@Zander10102]

I just realized this. The guests are paying you to extract their urine. This video is a guide on how to maximize the amount of money you make per liter. Awesome.

[@WingMaster562]

The guests are children.

[@wrexmkw]

Sometimes I charge $.20 because it covers the cost to run it and guests will usually pay it anyway...

[@WingMaster562]

When I was a kid. I used to charge 4 whole dollars for toilets on the exits of rollercoasters and thrill rides in RCT1. I was a dumbass, didn't think of the morality of things yet in a game, and thought it works all the time just because I saw two ready-to-vomit kids enter even I raised it that high.

[@DreHill1]

Same, but I always do 30 cents

[@ImSquiggs]

Glad to hear my boy's making that toilet money now

[@Mr.ToadJanfu]

Money doesn't smell.

[@mirrorsandstuff]

Charging for your toilets may earn you $0.60, but it does eat a little piece of your soul in doing so.

[@blacknight6337]

When you die and you charged for toilets in RCT, you get brought to a place with a full bladder, no money, and a $0.10 toilet charge

[@zeroyuki92]

Exploding and drowning guests: Chillax it's just a game Charging for toilet: ABSOLUTE BLASPHEMY

[@MrLlama-gl2hk]

What happens if you make a one-way row of toilets at different prices? Do the guests stop at the first toilet they're willing to pay? If so, you could guarantee that guests always pay their maximum amount. Guests leaving the park with a full bladder is potential money walking away!

[@TheLastRaven6]

Thats not a bad idea, but a bunch of no entry signs, then descend the price. going away from the path of the No entry. So it might look like so. (.10) (.20) (.30) (.40) (.50) (.60)

[@Bellicosy]

Do guests actively seek out amenities within the park after crossing a certain threshold, or does the game simply check the relevant values when a guest passes its respective stall? That is, is there another variable to consider here, that money can be lost as fewer guests are paying for rides as they seek out toilets? Also, is it possible to earn the "Best Toilet" award even if we charge 0.70 monies and noone uses them?

[@Trancefreak12]

Short answer is yes on seeking amenities: you can see in the list of guest actions that there are guests heading for stalls. Long answer is I don't know exactly when lol. Probably when the bar starts flashing.

[@elijahbigsby4154]

Ooooh. that's a good point. If they do seek them out, I think the question becomes "what is the lowest number of toilets, at the highest profit (or at least, lowest negative profit) that you can have in a park"?

[@toimine8930]

One of the requirements for the best toilets award is few guests thinking that they need to go, and that won't happen if they can't use the toilets

[@claudetheclaudeqc6600]

@@toimine8930 except if they are leaving faster than supposed. like died and still have a ton of toilets

[@dreamcanvas5321]

@@claudetheclaudeqc6600 Most Dangerous Park in the Country. and BEsT ToiLEtS

[@stevenlevesque4270]

Hey Marcel: Can you do a video about shops/stalls? i.e. profit margins, guest preferences, min/max to charge, optimal prices, optimal number in a park, and why food courts are a waste of time. Edit: I see you provided a link to Deurklink's guide.

[@MonJilley]

I mean, the guide is there. I'd still like Marcel to do a video talking about this stuff, even if it's just an info dump.

[@stevenlevesque4270]

@@MonJilley he does a good job explaining things in a way that's easy to comprehend.

[@StefanVeenstra]

Depends mostly on mood and weather. The happiest guests will easily pay 5.20 at the fishfood and pizza stalls and 4.20 for soda. But optimal you'd want most guests to buy without complaining. (Complaints hit the park rating) It's not hard to keep your guests from becoming unhappy or angry. Charging 1.80 for cold drinks and 2.30 for hot drinks and most foods. Some luxury foods like fish and pizza can optimally go for 2.80. Cheap items like candy cotton, ice cream, donuts and maps can go for 1.30. If I recall correctly from my own tests years back. My advice: Cheap items: $1 Cold drinks: $1.50 Hot drinks: $2 Food: $2 Luxury food: $2.50 Luxury items*: $3.50 Umbrella's: $20 *Luxury items include hats, t-shirts, souvenirs, stuffed animals/toys and ride photo's. With above list, you'll have a good profit margin without much complaints and it's an easy list to remember.

[@5MadMovieMakers]

I've wondered how pounds and euros convert to dollars. Does the game convert the currency or does the numerical value remain the same with different symbols in front?

[@joshuadoll9000]

It's just an even conversion so 1 euro is equal to 1 dollar.

[@agentstache135]

Marcel actually already has a video on this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIWce2uHidlre80

[@theuncalledfor]

In summary, since the prices don't really map to reality in any sensical way, currencies of similar real-life value just change the symbol and keep the value the same. For other currencies, powers of ten are used to get a nice, even number.

[@daskampffredchen]

@@theuncalledfor I think the Yen ditches the . so it is just one whole number

[@kingcrimson4133]

@@daskampffredchen That's a way to think about it, but it's not as if they're looking at US currency and thinking "let's just get rid of that pesky little decimal point and call it yen!" It is its own currency with its own history and reason for being the way it is. It just so happens that 1 USD is worth roughly 100 JPY, so conversion is simple enough. (Though in reality, 1 USD is worth 130 JPY at the moment.)

[@spockamania]

I feel like there are two ways of thinking. Either charge only $.20 so that there is no real happiness penalty as it is functionally identical to being free or $.40 as that's the most cost efficient

[@wisniamw]

These thumbnails are instaclick for me just for the way you put informations in your videos great work

[@hanshh3532]

I love your scientific approach for these kind of questions. It totally gives no "real value" to explore these questions in this niche, but I get entertained and informed on a high level. Of course, that gives me much value.Thank you!

[@RagnarokiaNG]

*makes sickness inducing rides* "..." *kills guests in crashes* "..." *drowns guests* "..." *charges for toilets* "YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR!"

[@sanderbos4243]

I really like that you didn't just speculate 30 cents being optimal and ended the video there, but actually did some empirical testing which eventually even gave you a different conclusion. :-)

[@MarcelVos]

Originally I did end the video there, but after I recorded the script I decided that I should test if it's actually true and in a very rough test I saw that my conclusion didn't work so I made a more extensive test and extended the video.

[@sanderbos4243]

@@MarcelVos Awesome, good on you!

[@Manabender]

On one hand I love that you did *this much* math into the subject. On the other, I firmly believe that ethics still have a place in the game even though the guests aren't real. I always keep free toilets. It's a basic human right, honestly.

[@terenceshuen]

Should I start charging my family for toilets too ?

[@xenox3]

yes

[@WingMaster562]

When I was with cousins, apparently they charge each other by the hour in the toilet. First half hour is free, but each consecutive is charged. It's like a swear jar, but for not hogging the toilet.

[@colecostie]

Only you could make a fun and interesting video on the pricing principals of video game toilets

[@hordenmeisterAO]

Another aspect that might play a role is that after the bladder check notices a value above 70, it will continue to rise while the guest walks to the toilet. Also guests with a value just short of 70 will probably jump to above 80 when having a drink. So the lower values that cause a guest to look for a toilet should be very rare. There should nearly never be a guest not willing to pay 20 cents.

[@rsjc852]

Hi Marcel! You've touched on this subject in several of your videos, but could you consider making a comprehensive guide on how different path layouts and sizes affect the way guests traverse the park? And/Or how guests routines function. It would be very interesting to see how guest behavior works (or doesn't) in different situations. Thanks for continuing to show me that even after 1000's of hours over 18+ years, there's still things I've yet to learn about RTC!

[@paulharmo]

So, this begs the final question to MarcelVos! Now that you know the optimal price, and have demonstrated that there is very little negative effect, will you start charging for toilets when you play RCT2?

[@tifforo1]

There is a third affect that happiness has: it affects how much guests will pay at shops! Basically, there is a "fair" price for each item, which does not change based on anything except the temperature, that is the maximum you can charge without any guests refusing because it is too expensive. (It's usually about 20 cents above the default price and is way higher than wholesale cost.) This amount is the same for happy and unhappy guests. However, if you charge more than this, there is a sliding scale where 1/8 of unhappy guests will refuse to pay for every 10 cents you go over. But for happy guests, it's for every 20 cents, and for very happy guests, it's for every 40 cents. This means that the maximum an unhappy guest will every pay is 70 cents above the "fair" price, but you can charge as much as $2.80 higher than the fair price and 1/8 of very happy guests will still pay it! I think this video understates the disadvantages of making guests unhappy since you can make better profits from stalls than toilets.

[@MrCheeze]

I like that this video shows the importance of real-world testing. The theoretical analysis is tricky to reason about but points toward 30 cents, but the empirical test disagrees and leads to developing a more accurate model. (Of course, there's a good chance that the optimal depends on factors like park size. But the testing also suggests that being off by 10 cents isn't a big deal anyway.)

[@Talon_24]

Great video! At 9:38 This would be been a great opportunity to add a little chart to show the peak/valley

[@alhei525]

This video made me remember that I was thinking about the optimal prices when I was a kid and figuring out this by looking at the profits over long times with differend prices so I ended up pricing my toilets between 0-40 cents depending on situation. Thanks for the revival of some old memories!

[@WingMaster562]

Reminds me of when I, too, was a kid. I used to charge 4 dollars for toilets on the exits of rollercoasters and thrill rides in RCT1. I was a dumbass, and thought it works all the time just because I saw two ready-to-vomit kids enter even I raised it that high.

[@supersonicbros23]

I can't remember where, but when I was a kid we stopped somewhere on a road trip to use the toilets and there was a hand-crank machine that gave you up to like, 5-10 squares of toiletpaper for a quarter per crank. Thankfully all we had to do was pee.

[@fo-ef8qo]

that single water fountain in the middle of the giant lake while explaining toilets was just a beautiful metaphor. 10/10 I wish I could like this video twice.

[@polikitez]

Great video as always! Video suggestion: A summary video of all of these "optimal" strategies, with the sole purpose of earning a lot of money and having a relatively good park. Not going deep into any of those but mentioning everything that you should definitely do or not do. Thanks!

[@GretgorPooper]

Marcel is the only man capable of making me sit through a 12 minute video about proper toilet pricing.

[@Noromdiputs]

7:43 YES! Riggor! Was very worried you would just leave it at rough theory without actually testing any assumptions. This is fantastic.

[@LuckSpinner]

That hot dog building! Hah! Amazing! Lately been on a buildings kick, always loved to decorate with plants but starting to play more with the walls and roofs. Thanks for another great video Marcel, would love to see a food court ideas video if you haven't made one yet. Laying out the paths/chairs is hard to get the peeps to stop getting lost and going in circles in them. =)

[@chompythebeast]

The chutzpah to put the answer to the question posed in your own title right in your thumbnail, on algorithmically-dictated KZbin, home of the pointless thumbnail arrow and circle that inexplicably drive clicks up X%, is comendable. Like a proper essay, your title tells me what you're gonna tell me, then your first bit _tells_ it to me, then you spend the whole thing explaining it, then you finish it by telling it to me again. That's the work of a confident student or educator alike, bravo, bravo May you hit 100k sooner rather than later

[@chriso1373]

Had to watch an ad to see this video. Glad everything is finallt resolved.

[@Timmzy27]

I arbitrarily always priced my toilets at £0.20, glad to see it wasn’t for no reason, though I guess I can charge £0.40 and get away with it

[@Skyblade12]

I love how in depth you took this question.

[@harkeofficial]

This is the most well researched, conclusive review on video game toilets I’ve ever seen. Or that probably exists. Great video, super informative.

[@2m2a2r2k2]

Could you do a video about how long guests are willing to wait in queuelines, if / how those waiting times differ between rides, what the optimal queue length is and how entertainers / TV's influence that?

[@DakalaShade]

I used to run the toilets with their prices unlinked. In the middle of the park, the toilets were always 10 to 20 cents, getting more expensive on the way to the borders. I think I had some at the rim of the park (often labeled, as 10-year-old me thought was funny, "Pay2 Pee") that ran at 50 cents. I don't know if it made much of a difference, but again, my logic, at that age, was that guests would be more likely to stay in the middle of the park because toilets were cheaper there. For a while, I ran the toilets at the entrance at 60 cents, getting cheaper the further from the park entrance you were. This was done because I wanted to push guests towards newer rides I'd built, instead of clustering around the park entrance. I also had a "Pity Potty" at the very back of the park that was always left free.

[@we34w]

So on a one way path. Place multiple toilets. Ranging in price. Have the guests walk by them high to low. Then you will get the ones who gotta go now pay more. And the lesser ones will pay less.

[@NoxmilesDe]

I Like math combined with RCT2

[@surrodox]

I charge toilets in my park saves $0.20, always worked for me Nice to see this though PS: Would you enable auto generated subtitles or make your own subtitles?

[@WingMaster562]

I miss the YT feature of community generated subtitles, it's one of the few good features they've implemented yet sacked.

[@HEYBUDDYMAN86]

me seeing my recommendations: Awesome, great Marcel Vos video. I remember the one where he talked about toilet pricing. I'll rewatch it. me later in my sub box realizing the video is 3 hours old: oh. okay NOW let's actually rewatch it.

[@SchrodingersCat8813]

Amazing analysis as usual! I really would’ve expected 10 cents was best, get some amount from everyone rather than more from less and I did assume it would lower your rating w tons of people needing to go...but seems not and lower prices are worse. Good stuff! Granted I don’t charge for toilets or park maps!

[@TheHabsburgJaw]

I made one goofy roller coaster tycoon video, and now I get you in my recommended all the time. I love the content, love RCT, and have been playing since a very little kid.

[@bewlan]

I like the way you analysis questions. I almost believe €0.30 is the optimal value before you deep dive into simulation and come out the real optimal answer.

[@88porpoise]

That first analysis was simply inappropriate to the question. The expected value only really works for a single occurence. While I like that he included his (incorrect) workings I would appreciate him being more clear at the start because people may think that is an appropriate way to analyze the situation. The variables simply aren't structured in a way that a simple expected value calculation can work due to each event not being independent of the other.

[@iunnor]

Only if we can put one of those dudes in the bathroom that sells vape pens and hand out napkins.

[@SleinMcAwesome]

I never knew a video about virtual toilets in a video game could be so interesting. Thanks, Marcel! :)

[@anythinggggg]

A video about playing scenarios without ATMs would be interesting. This video touched on it slightly.

[@squishybrick]

I feel like if he really wanted to go turbo-nerd on it, he could've ran further experiments on toilet prices, with the variable of LOCATION, having parks with varied prices, but putting either 1. More, or less toilets 2. Toilets that are closer together in certain areas, or farther apart, more-evenly spread across the park 3. Toilets in either very low-traffic areas, or centralized in hub-points or high-traffic areas 4. Toilets specifically located either right next to rides and food/drink vendors, or toilets completely by themselves in a specific area out of the way. The question/hypothesis being, does the guest's AI have any real bearing on how often or efficiently they use or find the toilets? Will they go out of their way to locate one far away from the normal paths like they actually know where it is? Or, if one isn't placed around normal-traffic paths, will they just aimlessly flounder about and NEVER use a toilet, because one simply isn't in front of them? If the latter is true, you could potentially rig your paths to purposefully draw out the guest's walking path so that it is perfectly timed, a bathroom only being present near or in front of them, after they already really need to go to the bathroom.. Though, even if that was a viable tactic, I guess that'd be like peak tryharding. XD

[@TheIcyWizard705]

I never thought i'd see a 12 minute video on pricing toilet use in RCT2

[@ErikHuizinga]

One thing that I'm missing (or that I missed) is the answer to the question: when does a guest decide to go to a toilet? That might provide some insight into the reason why you earn more at €0.40 than at €0.30. I found your explanation lacking, because the expected value (price * probability of a particular guest going to the toilet) clearly indicated that €0.30 was optimal. But it doesn't turn out to be the case. So the probability seems wrong. I think what needs to be taken into account is that the guest actually needs to navigate to a toilet, and needs to find it (you can block all access, of course, or just put a toilet on every single path square). So, assuming/given that your toilet are accessible (navigable), what is the probability of a guest wanting to go and finding it? That question sadly remains unanswered!

[@ErikHuizinga]

You shortly say: if the value is over 70 they will want to go to the toilet and if they get to one they will do the math. Is that true for every guest on every square with a toilet? If so, then your math is right. If not, then your math is wrong. Likely, as soon as the toilet value hits 70, the guest isn't right in front of a toilet. On average the number will be higher when they enter the bathroom, because they might still have to walk around, exit rides, finish food/drinks, etc. That higher number is the one we're looking for! That's the average guest-toilet-value-when-they-enter-a-toilet we're looking for. And that's the value we can use to calculate the optimal (maximum) price. Well, not really. We need the distribution (probability density function) of toilet values at toilet-enter time. This is some kind of curve from 70 to 255 on the horizontal axis and between 0 and 1 (0% and 100%) on the vertical axis. Multiply that by the maximum toilet price you can ask and then you'll have the expected turnover. Maximise turnover and you'll have your optimal price.

[@JLock_17]

This is a good observation of real world pricing decisions. Sure you may think the price is outrageous now, but later when you're desperate you'll have to give in. E.G. gas prices.

[@Arjay404]

What is the cooldown before a guests think about having to go the toilet again? I could see this having a influence on your overall park's income, since a guest that is going to the toilet or in the toilets is a guest that currently isn't paying for a ride. Having the price be on the higher end might be better because it means the guests are staying away from the toilets for longer and spending money on rides that cost a lot more money. Having the price say at 20 cents for example, will have the guest going to the toilet 3 in the same time, as opposed to say having it at 60 which means they only go to the toilets once in that time, which means more time spent on rides/shops. Also do guests have a memory on what the price for toilets (or really anything else) is? So they will have a feeling they need to go to the toilet, but they also remember that the price is 60 cents, so instead of walking to the toilet, only to turn around because their need isn't that high, they will stay away from the toilet until their need gets high enough.

[@sgtscott8900]

I tend to charge for toilets in parks that charge per ride and not a park entrance fee

[@mintgreen292]

Very interesting to see that the negative effects of guests not being able to go to the bathroom are negligible. Quality content as always.

[@samspencer7765]

What's interesting as well to me is that, when you look at the proportion of guests who want the toilet enough that they walk quickly, as if I remember right it makes them faster, so they spend less time walking and more time + money at stalls

[@rowbot5555]

You put more effort into this game than I would have thought anyone would have and I commend your efforts!

[@Davtwan]

Seeing the profit actually be higher than the running cost gave me a little dopamine boost.

[@Pendragonthegreat]

This video is giving me Economy 101 flashbacks from university days at USC XD Good work!

[@Trollami]

Quality quota filled for the week. Thank you Marcel!

[@1015AK]

I havent played rct in over 15 years but im addicted to these videos.

[@yak3868]

I find it funny how you managed to make a 12 minute video on toilet prices in this game, and used every second so well

[@onfik]

I don't even play this game, yet I watch all his videos. Especially the research ones. I just appreciate them and I find them really interesting.

[@ZlueTheDragon]

One factor you may want to include is that holland six-flags has problems (albeit small ones, giving 950 park rating), so guests may not stay as long as a perfect park of 999. The longer the guests stay, the more their toilet stat goes up. If you can guarantee a value that is high enough for 0.60 before the guests leave, it makes the most money. Unchanged Holland may run best on 0.40, but a better park may work better with 0.60 (a worse park may need a much lower price, like 0.30 or 0.20). I think it really comes down to how long you keep guests in your park, and how much you pioritise money over slight park ratings. If your park is already good enough, then it may be worth it to increase the price all the way to 0.60 becuase guests are more likely to pay it, whereas guests previously left before paying the 0.60 in holland. This needs more testing though, with a greater sample size of parks. Overall great video though.

[@LePezzy66]

I'm just so happy the RTC2 community is still so active and wholesome

[@MrOrzech1]

Even though I had never any interest in this game, 11:17 perfectly explains why I watched this video xD Math and game mechanics are always fun to explore

[@GamePlague]

I never charged for them when playing as a kid but nowadays I charge 10 cents because there is no downside =p

[@draheim90]

There is a downside though, you make less money.

[@nthgth]

@@draheim90 compared to not charging?

[@draheim90]

@@nthgth Compared to charging more, as per the video.

[@nthgth]

@@draheim90 Oh - the comment you replied to was about going from not charging at all.

[@Tetrodome]

One thing that might have been skipped over regarding guest happiness is the level of intensity outside of their comfort zone for the rides they will ride. Having the happiest guests will also lead to more guests riding rides

[@OutwayKnoll1080]

I love your thumbnails! Just went back to playing RCT2 and am using your thumbnails and vids so often ❤

[@JamesAC17GA]

An interesting thing i JUST learned about in RCT1/2, is that MOST of the RCT games have identical currency. As in, if you change USD, to Euros, Pounds, whatever number your money is currently at will remain the same if you change the currency. USD, Euros, Pound sterling, Deutsche Mark, Swedish krona, Spanish peseta, Dutch guilder, OR Swiss Franc, apparently, they all are identical, if not, are basically the same... MINUS one, or two other types of currency, such as the Japanese Yen.

[@thomassynths]

Do certain drinks make Toilet value increase faster (e.g. coffee)? Also do salty foods increase Thirst faster than other foods?

[@nthgth]

"these pretzels are making me thirsty!"

[@teddy4271]

I think it really just comes down to how long the average guest will stay in the park. If everyone sticks around long enough to fill their stats all the way to 255 at least once, it'd make sense to raise the price above the usual break point, yeah?

[@Putnam3145]

Depends on if high toilet might make them leave in and of itself

[@TonyDiTaranto]

I’ve actually wondered this since I was a kid. Thanks for the analysis!

[@TheAmazingRacoon]

Almost 12 minutes video about toilets, i love this channel :D

[@Smith.S.E.]

Man. I love your videos and your thumbnails . Absolute beast

[@decalcomanie123]

"They are too *pissed* off to be further annoyed by bladder."

[@elijahbigsby4154]

I think your analysis around the 7:30 mark is off. It would be correct, if the toilet value for all guests was completely static and never changed, but since it DOES go up over time, eventually any guest is going to theoretically be willing to pay the maximum of 60 cents. It's mostly a question of how many guests LEAVE the park before they become willing to pay 60 cents, because if they aren't leaving, the probability that they'll pay at some point is high. I'm not sure if that makes the 60 cent price point the most efficient, necessarily, but just that looking at it with a static "price they're willing to pay" isn't really going to get the right answer. I'd probably land somewhere between 40 or 50 cents as the most efficient, at least at an initial guess.

[@MarcelVos]

I discuss exactly that later in the video.

[@leonhrad]

5:50 ha, I get it. they're already too 'pissed' off

[@gigabytemon]

I feel like I learn critical statistical analysis skills by watching your videos. Thank you for making this.

[@Teylahime]

I usually only charge for bathrooms in Pay for Entry locked parks, without an ATM the full bladder will force broke guests to leave instead of hanging around forever. Keeping guests cycling really helps with income I find, and it seems to harm the park rating less than no bathrooms at all.

[@MartinBentsen]

I’ve found that offering cheap things for free, such as toilets, unpopular rides, and even some foods, you can generally make MORE money because people are so happy and your park rating increases. Then for your best rides, charge a premium. At $10/ticket, some coasters can make upwards of $16k/hr, and that more than makes up for losing money at $45-200/hr for underperforming rides and stalls. Charge premium prices for popular rides and stalls, and give everything else for free to increase guest happiness and get more people. In business terms this is called a “Barbell Strategy.”

[@rtyuik7]

10:00(ish) - the only thing this chart points out to me is how ridiculous video games can be sometimes, with the discrepancies between Game-Time progression of events vs Real-Life bodily processes...playing The Sims, your character may spend a 'realistic' amount of time on the toilet, but in the Game thats an Hour...playing most RPGs with a Sleep mechanic, beds are usually Optional for those who need to Heal or Level Up, seldom Required for actual scheduled rest... RCT has guests buy ONE CottonCandy(/'CandyFloss'), and theyre eating for Three Months...in that time, they ride Four Coasters (ive spent a Single Day at an amusement park [RIP Astroworld] and mustve been on at least 10 attractions) ...video games are weird (:

[@thebros5224]

I never thought that Marcel vos is a math nerd (Respectively)

[@SoggieWafflz]

All the time videos will go "THIS is the proper way to do this!" and leave it as a mystery until the end of the video to increase watch time arbitrarily. Thank you for not doing that.

[@moonverine]

"80 cents to use this toilet? Forget it, I'll find a topiary."

[@SilverScaleMA]

I usually charge $0.10 to $0.20 depending on how big and busy my park is. Basically as long as the price is paying for the running cost I don't go higher. I do charge $0.20 standard for the parks where the rides are free just because.

[@JeffGoldblumsChest]

I usually charge either nothing or $0.50, because it bugs me when peeps leave the park with $0.90 in their pockets and can't ride anything

[@じょせふ-v2z]

They can ride the toilet 2 more times

[@mandowarrior123]

@@じょせふ-v2z yes, but they won't be happy enough to need the loo again, so they won't.