What Is The Strongest Mid-game Crisis? - Stellaris Lore

This is what we know about the 7 different Mid-Game Crisis level events that can occur in Stellaris the grand strategy game by Paradox Interactive. Including the Formless, the Great Khan and the Grey Tempest.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
00:51 The Khan
04:00 L-Gates
07:55 The Formless
09:42 Leviathans
10:49 Space Storms
11:37 AI Rebellion
13:06 Demonic Invasion
15:10 So who is the strongest?
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[@Nartanek]

Once, the Khan spawned next to me, i didn't yet have the power to fight him so after losing my fleet i accepted subjugation, for the time being. I started working on my fleet and a few years later i declared war on them, killed the khan and took all of its territory and then exterminated their whole species. A tip for you AI, don't piss off the player, they are always the strongest crisis.

[@H1LOL]

Now you doomed us all IRL. we will all perish because if AI reads your post, which it will, it will know we aren't players right now so we can be killed *Cries for help from doom* XD

[@seanphelps4057]

I turtle super hard, so I had this same scenario, but I had a starbase strong enough that with my fleets and the starbase it was enough to destroy the Khan's fleet. She even complimented me for it.

[@malaficus]

He didnt die before your revolt?

[@PJOZeus]

Honestly the fact that you can accept subjugation lowers its threat level massively, everything else kills you Strongest but least deadly and can just outlive under their rule

[@westernbody]

I changed tactics to hit and run, and thankfully, I had a Starbase far from them that could resupply losses since I lost my capital. I turned it around, reclaimed my capital, and killed the Khan

[@Emanon...]

The strongest crisis is the friends we made along the way. Sometimes literally.

[@heilokcd2703]

I have never died to the khan, but I am forever cursed to have the grew tempest spawn so early that one of their fleets is as strong as all of mine combined. I do not even know how these Ai empires keep opening the l-Gates that fast.

[@2MeterLP]

Seriously, those AI empires must be putting all of their engineering research into rushing the L gates

[@derpidius6306]

I have the reverse, I have 1.5k hours in the game and have not once seen the Grey Tempest

[@Ackalan]

@@derpidius6306 Some mods ban the Grey Tempest in secret.

[@derpidius6306]

@Ackalan I mostly play vanilla, I def have a few hundred hours of mods but most of that was ZotE and that one mod that let you use shipsets from halo

[@Ackalan]

@@derpidius6306 As far as I remember it doesn't change anything other than then spawns, so it shouldn't interfere.

[@elilla331]

Early game crisis: giant space amoeba crashes into your only world on year 5.

[@coolchrisable]

bubbles doing alittle trolling

[@purpleanon276]

Yeah I started playing stellaris for the first time in years again and I got an event that transformed my capital into a gaia world, the problem was that the event caused me to get like 70 percent devastation on my capital on year five so I got the bankrupt event, and ended up with two other worlds and was years behind the ai.

[@elilla331]

@@coolchrisable funny enough I got that event 3 years after.

[@elilla331]

@@purpleanon276 yeah same and it was tough to survive all the shortages. I also had negative food, consumer goods and unity. But the later rare research event really pays off. You can terraform toxic worlds into Gaia Worlds without the ascension perk. The precursor homeworld I got was toxic.

[@UnknownTuber450]

I remember when I had a system with an L-gate that lead to two systems, one on my end and the other to a rival ai empire. The rival empire decalred war on me before I was ready but right before they took the system I had finished researching to unlock the gate and then Gray Tempest appeared. The ai kept trying to take the system but instantly kept drying and thankfully the Gray Tempest wasn't heading towards me.

[@Hunterreaper4444]

Had a feeling the Grey Tempest would be high given the number of fleets they have and the fact that they essentially can appear in the middle of your empire causing some degree of chaos

[@qw3rty629]

in my most recent game i got "lucky" and had 3 gates within my borders and one of the ai opened it pretty early so im basically stuck fighting in my own borders, i have just enough fleet power for that until i can build an actual invasion fleet

[@FuelDropforthewin]

I have seen the Grey Tempest be a serious problem during a War in Heaven. Some genius opened the L Gates just as two awakened empires started going at each other. So all the major fleets were dealing with the War in Heaven, leaving the L gate systems and surrounds virtually undefended. Then the Scourge decided to crash the party at the same time, spawning inside my capital system while all my fleets were on the other side of the galaxy.

[@tuSunSonofShaggy]

​@@FuelDropforthewini thought Crisis can't be spawned during War in Heaven?

[@FuelDropforthewin]

@@tuSunSonofShaggy I thought so too, but apparently it can. Might have been a glitch.

[@SereneJoy42]

I swear, Knights of the Toxic God has to be one of the writer's favorite child or something in terms of empire origins, lol. They get one of the coolest stories, and then Cosmogenisis gives them an awesome ending, and then they also get a Doom Slayer/Dark Knight uprising unique only to them? I can't even be mad that some of the other origins don't get as much love as the Knights do; it's just so funny seeing what other thing the Devs add to this origin over time and it just makes the experience better and better. It's as if it's a really fun outlet for the writers to make things that are equal parts absurd, awesome, and hilarious to watch play out that they can't really easily write for the other origin types. Great video as always, though! Congrats on getting to make those collab videos with Paradox for The Machine Age, I hope they do that sort of thing with you and the other KZbinrs again for the Cosmic Storms and the other DLC later this year!

[@paluky1702]

Also worth to mention Knights of the Toxic God have pretty much guaranteed option to find End of the Cycle if you go Psionics (the only RNG is you must have Zro, sometimes you got unlucky and you will not find Zro in entire galaxy)

[@TheRedKing]

I'm pretty sure that is correct, it is someone's favourite. But it's a good thing, all these cool little addons to it are wonderful.

[@ObiwanNekody]

Knights of the Toxic God is a story based origin, so it makes sense it gets story for it's power creep.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

Its also one of the weakest though in terms of meta

[@TheTwinTornado304]

Best way to kill the gray tempest is get around 100 frigates with cloaking and you don’t have to use any armor then just place them next to the nanite factory and decloak before the nanite fleets can attack the torpedos destroy the station

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I was going to say this. As long as you've got cloaking and can hold the line against the Tempest they are really easy to deal with. No detection paired with torpedoes being custom made to nuke large targets and their singular point of failure being a large target, they are just doomed.

[@xzardas541]

Itsa me, the player. Gay tempest can be triggered as soon as 25 years into the game, as proven be me being banned from playing mp games.

[@comediccomrade5716]

Scoundrel gameplay lmao

[@Cat_With_A_Lamp]

Now that's a man of focus, commitment and sheer f*ckin' will. I honestly can't imagine how you got all the insights that fast :)

[@ryanstewart2289]

That's dirty. I like it.

[@redstonehero7944]

Gotta love the free insights from curators huh

[@xzardas541]

@@Cat_With_A_Lamp It was back when paradox decided that scientists should only cost energy to run and there was no cap, so i had over 20 of them guys rampaging across galaxy, insights are easy it was research project that took me so long. And funniest thing was that was my 3rd attempt, I got gray fricking twice!

[@gmradio2436]

Saw a Paradox game where the players had bottled the Khan into a handful of systems and called it good. Then someone opened an L-Gate, and the Khan launched a blitz krieg attack on all the players at once, through the L-Gates.

[@notkrisna]

I remember the first time I played Stellaris, I got Gray Tempest and AI Uprising I was so dumbfounded I did not come back to the game after a while

[@coolchrisable]

bruh got double whammied

[@makiiavely]

i remember i felt the same thing when i got the endgame crisis for the first time and a shit ton of prethoryn invaded me right in my home planet and i had no clue what was going on. felt super cheap and quit that game immediately tho i was a total newbie at that time, now late game crisis are one of my favourite things in the game

[@DanskerneFraDanmark]

Imagine if we could just like have all end game crisis we could also have all mid game crisis at the same time

[@Cat_With_A_Lamp]

Well, you can have 4 end game crisis' in one game, each 2 times stronger than the last, just not at the same time (unless you use a console). If the 1st crisis is x25, the 4rth will be x200. Should be pretty beatable if you know what you're doing, at least with the original 3. If you get Cetana as your 4th crisis it may be over, so far I only saw her as a 2nd (x50) crisis on admiral and her juggernaut was regenerating both hull and armor extremely fast, ~500000 each every single month for the whole fight. If you're going to try it you might wanna have several torpedoes based fleets, those work extremely well against her juggernaut because if it's size (something tells me it has even bigger size that a common juggernaut, but I can't say for sure). And you will still need A LOT of firepower to get through all that regen.

[@TheRedKing]

I think it's partly possible. Most of the events on this list could in theory fire at the same time frame

[@Archon3960]

"Fuck it, *END TIMES!! * See you in super hell!!"

[@glowinggreen2607]

​@@Archon3960(me making a pact with the cycle, opening the l-gates, creating the dark knight, opening the wormhole to the chosen, having a determined exterminator uprising, and every other bad thing that can happen the samr time as the khan is created after having a terrible run) END OF DAYS BITCHES

[@7he_last_5urvivor]

Don’t forget about the genocidal space lizards

[@gavinruneblade]

I didn't know the storms were an event, nor have I ever encountered the dark knight. Great video, thank you!

[@TheRedKing]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@jameshaws9986]

Literally my first attempt at that dlc, and that event fired at like year 10. I was all excited about a new option, then boom, 50k fleet next to my capitol system.

[@Aettaro]

The first time I triggered the L-gates, not knowing what would happen, the Tempest came for me. However there was an L-gate inside of a fallen empire. The Tempest of course attacked through all the gates, including the one inside the fallen empire, which promptly woke up and invaded the L-cluster, taking the system and blocking further Tempest attacks. It was a rather comedic error on their part and basically negated their threat for the remainder of the game.

[@UrbanImposter]

Had some marauders spawn next to a Xenophobe FE once, khan lasted 1 minute.

[@danielhavoc889]

I had the grey tempest spawn via the L-gate only 50 years in, with 97k fleets when I had the largest navy at 50k, and even sealing the gateway, I had to go through decades, casually 1v1 the Khan, and then face an awakened empire down, before I was finally strong enough to break into their home system. They are the single hardest midgame challenge in my experience, as they did more damage to the galaxy via the L-gates than I've ever seen any endgame crisis do, wiping out almost half of the galaxy. Its because of their access to the L-gates that means even if you defend yours, they have plenty of other options to ravage using their strangely overpowered for the time fleets.

[@MichZoll]

For the Formless, I would personally recommend auto cannons as they always appear in the center of the system.

[@peterk7428]

I don't think I've ever even seen a demonic incursion in a playthrough.

[@TehKang]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the Chosen. Otherwise great video. Didn't even know the demonic incursion could be a thing. I kind of want to see if I can play a demon horde now lol

[@TheRedKing]

Honestly I forgot about them... unsure if they count technically as a crisis. But would have certainly been fitting to include them nevertheless

[@richard1493]

The Chosen aren’t exactly a crisis but I do suppose they could be grouped up as one considering how unique they are. Then again, in every game I’ve encountered them they immediately declare war but never leave their home system. Since they aren’t a real threat, I just deal with them whenever I get around to it.

[@UnbidenONE]

The Great Khan close to the end game crisis power due to he have many space fleet from each system that they conquered.

[@laurynasl]

Now I want to play as demonic incursion... Thank you for informing me about this possibility!

[@ObiwanNekody]

Grey is usually harder for me to deal with than the Khan, although I think that has to do with approach vectors - the lgates are more spread out and you know where the marauders are.

[@Someone-lg6di]

My most hilarious ai rebellion was in my spiritualist empire I had 1 robot to keep materialist happy and event chain started. Realized a danger when robots didn't want me to go to a area,(second third chain). Checked it out which led to robot pop disappearing ending the chain due to no more robots in empire

[@ryan4p]

I didn't even realise the knights of the toxic god have even more interactions btu now I've got to test it, one of my favourite origins and I did a cosmogenesis run inspired by the video you did on the different endings. Awesome work, love these videos

[@TheRedKing]

It has so many little offshoots ! Great origin and thanks Ryan!!

[@Alister222222]

'The least dangerous is the space storm...' Tell that to my shield-hardened end-game empire fighting a 6x Contingency, that made the assumption that losing shields was going to be neutral vs. the Contingency ships (e.g. not advantage them or us). I was completely wrong. I was so blown away with how fast my fleets melted I had to check why, and once I saw they were using plasma cannons and neutron torpedoes, it was pretty obvious. My ships were dying in literally one hit, meaning the storm was killing millions (about 8 mil or so) of fleet power that wouldn't have otherwise died against the Contingency. Pretty sure the Khan can't kill 8 million fleet power, so in that niche case, the storm turned out to be the most dangerous crisis. More dangerous than the contingency, even, since without the storm my losses against it were minimal.

[@synthetic240]

The worst thing about space storms is if a fleet needs to cross a storm'd neutron star; it's just stuck there, crawling, unless you've got jump drives.

[@ryanstewart2289]

Space storms are my least favorite crisis and one reason why I still consider building a Sentry Array.

[@thesenate85]

It would be cool if you did an RP playthrough. Maybe as the Commonwealth of Man.

[@timothypeterson4781]

I don't think there's enough fluff in game for this, but I'd be curious who made the Ancient Mining Drones if that can be figured out.

[@thorshammer7883]

Here's a good question. Could the Katzenartig Imperium survive and defeat all the Mid-End Game Crisis events and factions if they have a big enough territory and fleets in a large galaxy? I haven't seen anybody put them up against the Contingency or the Prethoryn Scourge with 25x difficulty yet.

[@vidarDJ16starkill]

I wish there was a setting to choose the mid-crisis like there is for the end-crisis because I always seem to get the space storms and none of the other cooler options.

[@duelinglectrics]

Just in time for another lesson at the red king institute .Our species has learned much through the collection of the great reports here

[@Jo-Heike]

The Khan isn't a threat at all, subjugation is relatively painless, and as long as nobody else decides to invade you're pretty safe and will be free in ~30 years.

[@Vipersnake21]

I never get the Gray Tempest in 15+ Stellaris games. The most common outcome I get ist Grey, followed by the L-Drakes and the harmless Grey Tempest Empire

[@LaughableSynonyms]

I usually get Dessanu. Been a long time since ai got the tempest.

[@malaficus]

I got it once in a multiplayer game. We lost.

[@Vipersnake21]

@@LaughableSynonyms but you got it in the past, not like me. In my opinion most the outcomes of the L-Cluster beed a redone, because they are boring and are not really fun

[@l.a.3680]

I always get the tempest. Always.

[@der110]

It has something to do with the diffucility.

[@risingstar4196]

Interesting, on my 1st true playthrough i opened an L gate, met Gray Tempest, he was friendly and asked me to hire him i needed any help. Grays a Cool dude, you're slandering him!

[@TheRedKing]

I think I actually said Grey was cool? More or less

[@thorshammer7883]

I imagine all these Mid Game Crisis events of the DLCs especially when put together would be very devastating to some Sci Fi verses out there with all the Stellaris technology being more advance, powerful, and capable efficient when compared to any sci fi factions whose technology is underwhelming attack potency and firepower, or armor durability and thickness, attack ranges, not a big enough fielded manpower and industry to fall back on and deploy with a lack of production resources, or have crucial flaws in their defenses either in security being compromised or lack of point defense systems are going to get wounded pretty badly in direct interstellar naval engagements. Any factions below the Forerunners, Culture, Imperium of Man, or the Foundation Series of empires are going to have a lot of destroyed fleets and planets on their hands. The Mass Effect galaxy and factions wouldn't lack long against a Stelaris tech ai rebellion faction or the Khan hammering at them and picking away at them. The Khan maybe able to go blow for blow and pound to pound with the Covenant and UNSC pretty well and keep up the pressure. The Starcraft Koprulu Sector will struggle in space since naval battles were never their strong suit mostly contesting on interplanetary campaigns on the ground. New Eden of EVE Online with all their Capsuleers, empires, and guilds should have some trouble with a single organized Mid Game Crisis Faction though they are pretty good in population size and massive production and active manpower to organize some sort of good defense and offensive. All at once happening at the same time I think they could leave pretty significant staggering wound to the Galactic Empire in the Expanded Universe events of Star Wars. Especially the Ai rebellion which should be able to hack into their data bases and computers much easier then with the UNSC and probably their ships, shipyards, finances, and factories too. The Zann Consortium would have a field day of opportunities acquiring all those new ships, technology, and weapon systems while collaborating with the Khan.

[@ScienceAndDocumentation]

Someone need to make a video on this.

[@antoniopuente9270]

Interesting idea, but that´s only if they joined in one banner which obviously it wouldn´t but still interesting, also i wonder what level of power would the Endgame Crisis or even the Nemesis and Cosmogenesis would be in another alternate world if they were in one faction or empire, like a Crisis Empire, but of course that´s not cannon and its fanmade, but it i though of it curious.

[@vortukassingh999]

Man the AI rebellion would destroy the Galatic Empire, just the CIS would win against the Republic if Palpatine didn’t influence things, and I Know the Empire is a stronger “Nation/Empire” than the republic but still, they lost to the Galatic Viet Congs, a full blown AI rebellion would definitely destroy them, especially after the machines had they’re own factories to mass produce more war machines.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@vortukassingh999 And realistically the only thing the Ai rebellion needs to do too is colonize and produce more war machines on another reclusive solar system with resources. A Ai rebellion should have the comprehensive indepth strageies to create worlds, point defense systems, and orbital, atmospheric, and ground defense arrays so heavily and lethally fortified it would be a nightmare for even EU Thrawn to outpace and compete against especially when the machine start using espionage and infiltration tactics. Not to mention all their encrypted messages and databases being systematically code breaked by the Ai rebellion forces even if it is not a Hyper powerful Command Core leading them. Attrition would be a failing strategy as the machine keep on producing more warmachines and ships.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@antoniopuente9270 The Khan should be able to get some good hits on the Imperial Fleet and some systems in the beginning and getting some planetary vassals. But the Ai Rebellion realistically should be the ones who have greatest potential to turn the tide on the Empire especially with their Ai capabilities.

[@senatorarmstrong4936]

One of my favorite games had The Khan spawning on the other side of the map and wreaking all kinds of havoc. By his borders and mine met he got taken down, so I formed a Hegemony with the leftovers. Operation: Look At Me. I'm The Khan Now was a huge success.

[@elitesnipergenj3093]

The one time I got an AI uprising and I was actually concerned I was playing with giga and let's just say the AI uprising had about 16,000 ships in it. Get it everything from cruisers up the battleships in it and it has spawned in like three little areas and I was extremely annoyed since apparently it was off of fleet power and was able to calculate all the behemoths and that stuff I had lying around

[@TheRedKing]

Aha yes it can be rather troublesome!

[@tristainmyers458]

The khans spawned near me as the enclave i had already massacred 4 empires and wiped out their races. The only empire i tolerated was another human speics and another player so i attacked the Khan eith my ungodly fleet almost 100k while the secend strongest fleet was under 60k

[@ScienceAndDocumentation]

Couldn't a Player managing to become the Crisis by Mid-Game be counted?

[@meltyman3113]

in my latest galaxy the holy guardians attacked the marauders the second they unified lucky for me and my vassals they took long enough for us to throw our entire fleets at them

[@antontribelgorn3641]

I'm guessing the Prikki-Ti qualify as an early game crisis then.

[@FlameDarkfire]

And be careful the Khan doesn’t find an L Gate cuz hooooo buddy you’re in for a rough time

[@Flying1Kotte]

If you are going to include the storms I would include the Kaleidoscope. Everyones favorite energy parasite!

[@tvorogmoloko7969]

In every my game where the great khan spawns he dies to a random minor ai empire in like 5 years

[@TheRedKing]

He now spawns with crisis modifier, can be 500k at 2225 if you so desire it

[@tvorogmoloko7969]

@@TheRedKing in the newest patch?

[@tvorogmoloko7969]

@@TheRedKing or in the machine age dlc?

[@victorkruger80]

@@TheRedKing been there done that was pain xD, he camped my homesystem with 2mil fleet had to wait till he died :(

[@seanmcandrews9514]

Kinda wish the fallen empires did something with the tempest (eventually) or that there was a rival faction thay could spawn if the temptest rampaged for too long

[@SupCom78]

i agree the khan is the most dangerous and annoying of a crisis but if you are a prepaired empire (strong starbases counter tech for the kahns fleets and one or 2 strong fleets ready to launch at the kahn) then you can easy deal with him well until he spawns half a galaxy away and has time to vassalise other empires then its a different story.

[@NetMoverSitan]

0:40 - KHAN!!! (echoes)

[@celsetialarchives5909]

I remeber hearing that thw wraith also hunts the enclave stations

[@galomir833]

I love when space storm spawn on the unbidden

[@whatami8850]

I had the worst luck of having 4 L gates in my empire, and i decided not to open it. However the AI had other plans, and opened it to unleash the gray tempest onto me. I had to survive by fortifying my core worlds that held my economy, because my fleets couldn’t handle 4-24 in my borders

[@beentoazooonce9274]

Thank you Red King for helping me sleep despite my insomnia :D

[@TheRedKing]

You're very welcome! Wishing you a good nights sleep!

[@Jonathan-yu9ui]

Infinite Improbability Kaiser: 🥰

[@killer19183]

Im a new player to any game like this : D playing with my vet friends who left me alone. I got L gates so its time for a little trolling.

[@blacklight8786]

11:39 .. so basically the "morning war" from mass effect

[@adalbertojunior9836]

Speeed :)

[@pathfindersavant3988]

REMOVE DWAMAK! ~Post brought to you by the Great Khan's Internet Horde~

[@davidbarnett342]

Had the kahn pop in a play thru of mine and they were buying my pops off the slave market. Then my leader became an immortal psyonic god. Felt like right after that I got a pop up saying one of my pops killed the kahn while attending them. Blew my mind.

[@hoppy78]

I was once halfway through destroying Marauders, meaning that they spawned with 1/3 of the usual fleets making it so I could just encircle and destroy them.

[@user-wp5iy2dx4q]

Hmm, realm of suffering that makes people suicidal and gouge out their eyes, knight can become Doomslayer or can become the Chosen one and lead demonic incursion... So, basically you start at Event Horizon, do the Doom and end up with Warhammer 40K Abbadon the Despolier. Sooo, Toxic god crisis is actually a crisis of identity.

[@lonewarrior8217]

I got the AI rebellion and it was the worst possible occupation it started at 2490 my empire size was literally more than a quarter of the galaxy having colonized 74 planets and still increasing. AI took control of my core systems that are close to earth which were the backbone of my economy my energy goes into deficit by 9k luckily I had some reserves which lasted long enough for me to eliminate and reoccupy my planets with my war exhausted fleets. AI occupied systems also involved the ringworlds captured from fallen empire and citadels that had max amount of ion cannons and defense platforms this was my first major game as I hadnt made this far into the game before and I wad like wow my defense has been turned against me I had such hard time getting those heavily fortified systems back which the AI took for its own empire without a single casualty on their side. They also got one of my mega shipyard luckily I had another one captured from another nation.

[@arutka2000]

Ive only ever seen the Wraiths once.

[@zaukonig6265]

But could the Khan beat goku?

[@arian9468]

The great khan always occurs in my game.I didn't even face any of them(Al uprising didn't triggered in any of my playthrough in my own empire,thanks for being materialist/Fantic materialist.)

[@songworks17]

From what is the clip in the intro from? Also, good video. Cheers. Didn't knew the Demon invasion was a midgame crisis. Will have to try that sometime.

[@TheRedKing]

8th anniversary trailer for stellaris

[@zodrickzheioh7318]

Knowing that Storms are considered a Mid Game Crisis Event makes me very interested to know what they're planning for the Space Storm DLC

[@zodrickzheioh7318]

Also, I definitely only thought that the Khan, the Grey Tempest, and the Formless were the Mid Game Crisis's, it's cool to know that there are more things that are considered in the category. Though, I do hope that they add another potential trigger for the Demonic Incursion, I've never seen that one and it would be cool if there was just a chance that it would happen even if there was no toxic god faction.

[@lostbankai6521]

I absolutely love the specter appearing in the middle of my nation in 2225.

[@billylee3095]

Khan used to be a great event that truly changed the geopolitical space of the game and challenged players. Now all it does is annoy, causing countries to form federations that don't want to break up until the next game crisis. It practically turns the galaxy into stone. I've been waiting for a rework of the crisis mechanics for years.

[@TheRedKing]

Have you played since machine age? It scales with crisis modifier and certainly shakes things up now!

[@roboticintelligenceunit1a652]

shure khan is dangerous to you, player, but they die anyway, but the tempest? if caught unprepared, they can be allowed to grow massively powerful. and in many cases, end the galaxy.

[@kirbcake]

I don't really agree with the Khan being the most dangerous. As you said at the beginning, mid-games crises are meant to shake up the state of things and break borders as opposed to outright ending the game. However, the grey tempest *can and will* end the game while the Khan explicitly cannot. In fact, the Khan is almost a boon to the player; you can completely exempt yourself from all danger by just accepting satrapy terms to basically no downside. Sure, you have to donate some resources and naval cap, but if these penalties are actually killing you then you have already been doomed to lose the game a long time ago. And, well, naval cap is mostly a suggestion. So the khan goes on his rampage and you're perfectly protected in your own borders while your rivals around the galaxy get fucking flattened. Then, shortly after the khan has conquered everyone and erases your rivals from relevancy, he dies and all the space gets balkanized into warring factions ripe for you to swoop in and take for yourself while they're busy fighting each other. not to mention you've now become the strongest empire in the galaxy simply by reducing everyone else and lowering the bar of what is considered strongest. Accepting satrapy will make the Khan stronger too so it's even more likely he'll destroy everything. You can even follow the khan around and declare war on whoever he's attacking to steal territory while they're dealing with his fleets. Khan is a bro and I will never not help him out, lol. He also acts as a great filter for genocidals, as he will attack them relentlessly and never offer a single opportunity for surrender. It is impossible for genocidals to survive unless they're either so far away the khan never reaches them, or they can outright defeat him in head to head combat. on top of that, if the Khan dies with at least 2 satrapies, there's a chance that instead of balkanizing, the marauders turn into egalitarian xenophiles that immediately propose a federation with you. The ONLY time the Khan uprising is even a remotely bad thing is if you're a feudal empire or if you are, for some reason, entirely dependent on your allies for basic survival. marauders n mercs for life

[@tearsofdespair5833]

You forgot about the chosen

[@kastiloshepherd1892]

I once remember a recent game, where the Khan spawned because i was finally cleaning up the galaxy of Mauraders, I didn't pay mind because by now I have hundreds of hours in the game. Until he used an L-Gate i failed to secure to travel to my capital and attempt a seige, he failed miserably. That required a.... Response. Im playing with Gigastructures, so every planet colonized by them learned what "acceptable loss" is to the Empire with my hordes of Systemcraft death beams. Good times

[@yeeyee5057]

I honestly haven't heard about the formless, lol. Is there a unique interaction with the Aberrant when the Unbidden end game crisis spawn?

[@lahmouriakram6433]

And here i am in year 2450 with no mid game crisis spaning and no end game crisis either, researched all techs 550k fleet over 1k production and nothing to do other than watching my useless alies and vassals do absolute shit with their economies and ruin themselves 😢

[@xavierjuncewski]

I am him i am the chosen khan

[@florians9949]

Okay so with the demonic incursions, you will be either simulating Doom or Warhammer 40K. Nice.

[@cosmiccosmonaut820]

Its me Its always me Whenever it isnt me Its still me Kinda sucks that you cant become the khan tbh

[@TheRedKing]

Can steal his chair and pretend :)

[@xbane5109]

yeah thank you, you are so cool greetings from germany.

[@TheRedKing]

Thanks, appreciate it!

[@wewuzkangz2505]

Prikkiki-ti: Lol, lmao even.

[@ReganaldVonCluck]

Maybe some pre-FTL civilizations?

[@tssmith1701]

What are the numbers on how many times the AI actually open the L-gates? I think I’ve only ever seen it once in my many years of playing this game.

[@marsar1775]

one time the kham spawned rigjt next to me. i was already sus that would happen cause i have bad luck in the game, so i already had a bastion in that sector on the edge of the main hyperlane leading to my core territory and the capital(called it The Run because it was just a straight line hyperlane) took my entire navy and the bastion plus my allies. for 30 years the khan rampaged across the border, and for 30 years we fought him back. my hegemony took the brunt of the assault, and never once asked for aide. and they never breached The Run. the final battle occured when my first titan (named the Revenant of Zarauk IV, after one of the opening battles) obliterated the Khans final flagship with a perdition lance/neutron launcher 1-2 punch been a lomg while since, still the best midgame crisis in terms of fun ive ever had

[@doommetalvibes741]

The Gray Tempest: 👁👄👁

[@wicketxx]

what about the war in heaven if i am correct it's classified as a midgame crisis or it used to be

[@galomir833]

I agree whit everything out of the 1 and 2 place The khan is less dangerous in my opinion because he will die by himself The crisis self terminate itself The tempest WILL swarm the galaxie for all eternity , yes they have a major weak point if doom stack rushed, but we first need to get there

[@penat7402]

10:40 How is the wraith being controlled here is it a mod or can it be reanimated?

[@TheRedKing]

Console commands

[@slenderminion2229]

Couldn't the End of the Cycle's Reckoning also be classified as a Mid-game Crisis? Unless they tech-rush, most empires won't unlock psionics and thus access to the Shroud until the mid-game, at which point one could potentially encounter the End of the Cycle and take its bargain. If we do consider it a Mid-game Crisis, where would it rank in terms of threat level?

[@Titton]

Did anyone encounter space amoeba destroy asteroid heading towards pre-ftl planet?

[@TheRedKing]

Yeah, it happens on occasion

[@Cuki-zi5zs]

I though there was only two mid-game crisis

[@_motho_]

The strongest crisis is the player :3

[@Jkcjaneway]

Wait, the War in Heaven isn't a midgame crisis!?!?

[@TheRedKing]

They don't wake up until endgame

[@tristansuarez-perez2346]

I’m surprised the war in heaven isn’t a mid game crisis

[@TheRedKing]

FEs have to wake up for it to occur and they won't wake up till end game date as far as I'm aware

[@coolchrisable]

personally for me and my playstlye out of all the mid crisis the ai uprising screwed me the hardest being a turtle player im always huddled in my neck of space with starbases so decked out due to the expanded starbases mod . i get ai uprising i didnt know what to do ( it was my first time getting it) and saw my empire be devided in half im like the fuck ok time to lock in little did i know the ai had my strongest starbase ( it was 1.5 million than i saw that motherfucker jump to 3.5 million) i lost my strongest fleet that day. the ai fleets jsut than proceded to kick my shit in it doesnt help that i had a mod that simulates empire decay and at that time my main manufactoring word desided oh well time to go independant split my empire AGAIN I WAS LIKE YOOOO. i lost that game but i was like welp loosing was fun

[@troymcguffey8801]

Doom stack?? Is this where they put all their fleets into one and hit you at the same time?

[@TheRedKing]

Yes

[@h0lezee]

What about the War in Heaven?

[@kazorikumo9765]

Isn't the awakening of a Fallen Empire also a mid-game crisis?

[@TheRedKing]

End game not mid I believe

[@lordgong4980]

KHAN!!!!!!!

[@Nicitel94]

I hate the Grey Tempest. Mostly because for me it spawns like every single time! AFAIK it depends on the game difficulty, being normal or higher it spawns every time. I've had a game where I watched one of my colonies being consumed as the last inhabited planet in the whole galaxy. That was ... cool, but ever since seeing them pour out the L-Cluster every single time I started to consider turning the L-cluster off completely for my future games.

[@TheRedKing]

They're the most common of the possibilities but it's not difficulty related :) just rng

[@Nicitel94]

That's odd, I remember reading on wiki what I stated. Maybe it changed since then.

[@wolffrdu6463]

first time i beated the khan my self was some week ago, sadly moded, so didn't get any achivement

[@TheRedKing]

Always another galaxy to try again :)

[@wolffrdu6463]

@@TheRedKing yes