What Is The 'Unassigned' Exploit?

[@Iceman-hb3uk]

Honestly the reason why I don't care much is that the only situation in which I can see this making a difference is in eSports, and every single eSports driver is aware of all weaknesses of the game and all of its exploits, just like the 60 FPS cap making you ride kerbs. So for eSports they will probably rule it out if it becomes an actual meta, and for the rest (average players) it's not worth it so why even worry about it.

[@AlexGillon]

Hard to disagree with this!

[@thinkandrepent3175]

Amen. The ends NEVER justify the means.

[@MikeAsano]

I feel like if you had found the difference was more than 1 second per lap (essentially much greater hypothetically) you wouldn't have dismissed it as not rule breaking so easily. Essentially tricking the software into thinking you are using a controller you are not using, to gain an assist that was not meant for you to have, however you achieved this - is fundamentally cheating. It's not the same as finding tarmac no one knows about, or creating more flexible wings, it's gaining an advantage that was not meant for you. I love your content Alex, but on this I fundamentally disagree with your logic and reasoning. The fact that it's minor is great, the fact that such an exploit exists and anybody is fine with it, is not.

[@apophisstr6719]

Exactly, doesn’t matter if it’s 1 sec or 0.0001 sec faster, if you gain an advantage by exploiting something completely unintended by design of the platform, it’s cheating

[@AlexGillon]

It's a good way of looking at it and I don't disagree with the points you made. I think, for me, as long as it's not taking advantage of a bug, it's fine. What if it was found that no FFB was faster? Should we force people to run FFB? It is a hard line to draw and even harder to police and imo it's an unwinnable war on a game that is not dedicated entirely to esports Our ideals simply can't be met, as long as the playing field is level, that is all that matters. You could actually argue that there are bigger financial misjustices in esports than whatever advantage this might give. But, as I said in the video, the rulebook is a different matter. This probably should be outlawed in esports competitions. But beyond that, it's just part of playing a mainstream game

[@MikeAsano]

@@AlexGillon (*me excited to get a reply yelp*) Once again I respectfully disagree. FFB can be turned on or off, and is a choice. If it did auto-magically give you traction/steering assist, then yes - it should be enforced in fair competition. Otherwise it wouldn't be fair and any competition therefore pointless. If tomorrow Red Bull were found that their steering wheel was tricking the breaks into doing things they shouldnt to give the driver a breaking/steering advantage it would be wrong and banned. So is the case here. I guess I just don't understand the Formula 1/E-sports logic of 'loop holes are great and fair' coming from an olympic sport that despised such ways of gaining advantage over other competitors. But you are right, it's just a game and there's only so much you can do lol.

[@HH-lj7vm]

The rules do not outlaw this 'exploit', so it's not cheating. It's a bit sad (unless you are top 0.01% driver) more than anything. It's about having fun, which is why I follow AG's content more closely than other F1 creators.

[@martabot2k24]

​@@MikeAsano i think the biggest difference between F1/Esports and for example olympics, is that F1 is a technical sport and it is punishing people to make new ways to win and at the same point olympics is about who is better in THIS thing, no cheating, just skill. Meanwhile as i said F1 and as it comes to us Esports is about to not only practice in an old things, but alsp find new hundreds of a second in a different ways.

[@jordyyfps]

ppl call this a cheat while they been abusing the 60 FPS bug for years 🤣

[@iSantosVinicius]

It's not a bug, and it's only fair since most of the community don't even have the hardware to play at more than 60 fps (old gen consoles)

[@jordyyfps]

@@iSantosVinicius It's a bug, physics are tied to the FPS so they update less the less FPS you get not unsettling the car on kerbs as it updates less. Big advantage running lower FPS. As you don't even notice the kerbs.

[@iSantosVinicius]

@@jordyyfps you literally explained exactly how it works, it's just how every game works. Its frame by frame, and the physics are updated frame by frame. It's just poor designing, and if you don't want to be in disadvantage you must limit your fps.

[@jordyyfps]

@@iSantosVinicius yeah let me run 60 fps on a high hz monitor, gives a proper headache or eyebleed, game's a joke let alone eSports, no wonder its in a heavy decline

[@grenkahigus8660]

​@@iSantosVinicius it's not how EVERY game works

[@wobblejaygaming1991]

Makes a lot more sense to me now, watched the making and was so confused, well described and shown 👍

[@petouser]

I cannot imagine Codemasters wasn't aware that these exploits existed. I think they just do not care. For instance, they can integrate an esports mode that disables any assists that can be exploited.

[@Aaronies]

What sucks is that despite there probably being more controller assists compared to 23, i feel so much more off the pace on 24 compared to wheel users.

[@CombinedYT15]

5:55-6:48 - This is an interesting point. Seems like it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be. Social media is known for overreacting a lot and this is no different.

[@Lucas-lj8co]

they have literally been doing this in esports since 2020/21

[@drewsephjoe6849]

Gotta be the first time I’ve heard “This video is sponsored by ME”, Caught me so off guard.

[@shzkevin5305]

Try it around china Drive for like 4 hours at least constantly without the controller filter and then enable it and see the magic Costed 1.5 tenths per lap especially in sector 2 I did discovered this back in f1 2019 Didnt work on 2018 tho You dont need any tools to trigger it ingame Just as you said You need to plug in the pedals via usb

[@torstenklein3889]

i wanted to test it to feel it myself what the esportler are using there. but what are the next steps when i plug in the pedals via usb? how do i say the game that my pedals are "handled" as a controller

[@dubby_ow]

some people like Jarno have Overtake UNASSIGNED, because they switch ERS Modes with MFD shortcut keybinds

[@levifowler9284]

Yeah but Lucas Blakeys flashes

[@Phantom-mg5cg]

This problem could easily be fixed if either EA made a setting option "wheel grip for all devices" or if the E-Sports-Series had a rule that said that every player has to use a wheel that is assigned as a wheel.

[@stevenwalker100]

But that wouldnt change anything because it’s not the wheel that’s the problem it’s the pedals there programming. There pedals as the controller bumper eg r2 and l2

[@Phantom-mg5cg]

@@stevenwalker100 In my comment I consider pedals as wheel or part of a wheel.

[@RemagUK]

How do you explain the unassigned only appearing at 50% throttle? You can even see the driver (you know who) deliberately tipping the throttle over 50% just before the race start to activate whatever it is when they are pulling off the line. It might be something else at play. Perhaps a grip hack that activates for a few seconds to help accelerate out of corners when the throttle reaches 50% and the software that does the change makes the bindings change. It's too soon to just fully dismiss this.

[@Ferzzyz29]

It only apears above 50% because thats when the controller takes over, on for example 25% you dont have any advantage on controller

[@corkey159]

I don't understand the mentality of people who say "this glitch/bug is in the game so it shouldn't be considered cheating." It is obviously unintended, hence having to fool the game into thinking an input is something that it isn't. This is a competetive esport, with hundreds of thousands of dollars on the line. Of course this is cheating. It's cheating in the normal game. In every sense, this is cheating. It is not the way the game was designed to be played, it is against the spirit of the game. If you have to use an external program to trick the game - it is cheating.

[@Dont14-r4k]

Nope, by definition this isn't cheating, it's taken advantage of in game mechanics. Otherwise almost every single farm in Minecraft for example would be considered "cheating". Wheels are technically outside software that gives a player a big advantage. Should we ban those too for cheating? Clearly not. Then using other devices also shouldn't count as cheating. It's unintentional but that's literally the spirit of the sport as a whole, bend the rules (or in this case mechanics) to be in your favor.

[@DaveGething]

​@@Dont14-r4k Minecraft is irrilvent to the conversatuon unless thats a comoetsive sport? It's against the spirit of the sport. Is the point of F1 Esport to find the fastest driver or who has the best exploits? Once you start to split hairs on if it's cheating or against the spirit of the regulation it just needs to be banned or maybe every team should have a computer program to maximize performance via the best exploits. Once you're setting your wheel and pedals up in a dodgy way to gain an advantage that was unintended by the game designers you should be under no illusions your cheating especially when prize money is involved.

[@Dont14-r4k]

@@DaveGething yes Minecraft is a competitive sport, ever heard of speed running? Also there is no rules that may imply that this is against the spirit of the sport, and even then that doesn't mean anything, in real life you can have anything that is legal, even if it's against the spirit of the regulations, it will just be patched next season. Part of F1 Esports, in fact a very big part, is strategy and setup, both in game and at home. Drivers with better wheels have an advantage over those who have a worse wheel. Is that cheating?

[@Boo-jk3ii]

​@@Dont14-r4kTell us you're stupid without telling us

[@antonkirilenko3116]

F1 games shouldn't be used for eSports to begin with. Their main audience are casuals, which is why those controller assists exist in the first place.

[@pasztorferenc6741]

I don't think it's how meant to be used. Assist for those who use controller or keyboard, using with a wheel is exploiting a bug A different example: in a DHL time trial competitions rule book said contacting with a wall invalidate your lap time, but the game already does it, most of the time. I succesfully hitted the wall and finished a valid lap - if this count as cheating(?), because I clearly hit the wall, which the game should detect, but according to the game I didn't hit the "wall"

[@EagleGhost8]

You are completely wrong. This is cheating! As people on console can't have this advantage as it can improve your driving it's unfair. Also you can't be comparing the normal and cheating handling so easily and quickly. To master a handling model, it takes a lot of time and effort. When you use the cheating method for a long time, the advantage difference you notice will be probably a lot bigger and DEFINITELY for Esports drivers.

[@dmurphy1578]

Great idea with the setups. Ill look. Thanks.

[@ShankerJN]

It’s pretty common in other esports that abusing something clearly unintentional that gives a big advantage is cheating. But that would also mean the 60 fps bug is cheating.

[@RonniePeterson]

What about tyre wear?

[@AlexGillon]

There will probably be a small tyre wear advantage because you can likely be a little smoother and slide less

[@BrockMak]

I tried to map my controller the same way as I did on F1 23. The problem is that It left manual pit button unassigned. I lost so much time that I had to put the layout back to default.

[@CASH_ces7899]

Over a course of a race, it’ll be a larger gap. No one is using it for just one lap.

[@KrypticTMG]

Any 3rd party app you are using to gain an advantage specially in Esports where you are fight for prize money is dead wrong imo. If it was some type of car setup exploit then i would agree with you but trying to trick the game with 3rd party apps is absolutely cheating.

[@AlexGillon]

Yea 3rd party apps are clearly banned in the esports rules, so it's really whether or not someone has figured out how to do it purely in game, which is entirely possible given the mainstream nature of the game But yea, I see it like a car setup exploit like you mentioned

[@Dxnny.100]

Can you make a video of how it works with joytokey?

[@lucadanyvesstoelman9025]

I used to use JoyToKey for certain menu controls that weren't working properly last game, a couple of weeks ago my game wouldn't launch anymore whilst using JoyToKey due to anticheat, luckily the menu buttons now work on my wheel, but I suppose this is (part of) why they've done this?

[@AlexGillon]

@@lucadanyvesstoelman9025 I'm surprised JoyToKey triggered the anti cheat!! Didn't realise it went as far as policing input devices.

[@mickjfawcett]

yep same for me. used joy to key for years to help with all my custom build mmos dd system and button box's. have had a bit a time off the game, loaded up today and bam anti cheat wont even start the game with joy to key loaded. love how a very small minority can destroy everything for others...

[@slaphead90]

That's a pretty shit move, as I can see JoyToKey being used as accessibility assistance for those who are disabled and cannot utilise game input devices fully.

[@MrMarbles]

bro is making side by side but he is cutting Ascari chicane

[@BoozySZN]

seen this live. thanks for the better explanation :D

[@nickroitman6743]

Is it really wrong? Yes, is taking advantage of something not intended. Taking advantage of certain graphic settings would be intended by developers, the opción is there. The thing is, really almost nobody cares about F1 eSports, so let then do whatever they want

[@fliepp1801]

Is it possible to only get 23 setups with VSE or do you need to make a 24 purchase to get them? I’m still racing full time on 23 and have no real intention to move over to 24 any time soon, so some better 23 setups than I already found online would be very useful

[@MarcoFD]

haha the gold old override input device.

[@AlexGillon]

Yea it literally used to just be an option in the game didn't it 😂

[@monokiller100]

what is the telemetry program called you use?

[@philipking7559]

The so called controller assist doesn't work on all controllers. I didn't even know it existed until I bought a modern controller and found when I turned into the corner there was a delay... it was awful. I sold the controller and returned to my old mid 2000's game controller when I had full control.

[@slaphead90]

It's not just F1 with this particular "exploit", it's been widely suspected that it's being actively used on ACC and other sims that filter controller/keyboard inputs - it may even be more effective in those other sims as well.

[@GameKanaal37]

Like the FIA would say. "It is against the SPIRIT of the regulations" but NOT cheating or illigal.

[@kingsaka5042]

where do you get that telemetry from? is it in game or 3rd party?

[@m.r.8903]

I have usb separated pedals but I don't have any unassigned buttons, also in recent F1 24 videos of Jarno Opmeer you see the overtake button unassigned...is there another reason to not assign a button that could be useful?

[@AlexGillon]

Apparently Jarno chooses to change the ERS modes manually from None to Overtake, so he's toggling through them instead of pressing a button

[@m.r.8903]

​@@AlexGillon weird choice, because instant activation is an useful "add-on" and also manual modes are always available

[@shivamvaid601]

Jarno literally uploads league races with that exploit.😂

[@whosthismarioguy]

Jarno literally explained & showed he doesn't have the overtake button assigned:)))

[@shivamvaid601]

@@whosthismarioguy wierd how his videos from 6 months before have it assigned then. Isn't it?

[@VEXXOR_EDITZ-c8x]

His doesn’t flash tho

[@jarnoopmeer]

​@@shivamvaid601 the ers modes changed from F1 23 to F1 24.

[@mohito9155]

@@jarnoopmeer 😭the lord had to appear himself

[@sh00termacg]

Bit of a shit take really. When there's money involved, any apps that give an advantage cannot be used.

[@EagleGhost8]

I know setups are important, definitely in this game, but I think it's brutal to pay almost the same price to setups as people payed for the game itself.

[@rhéacevert]

Especially as it’s an _ex-handling designer_ making them too, it’s basically just insider trading. This whole video is a very unfortunate display of this guy’s ethics, or lack thereof

[@Sirnic32]

W explanation

[@Nox_Desiree]

You claim it's simply just "smart" while entirely ignoring that a large portion of the player base play on consoles and cannot take advantage of this exploit whatsoever and thus in crossplay leagues will be at a slight disadvantage. Are we just cooked? 😭

[@michaeljoefox]

Save your time, it’s an ad.

[@ThroughJermainesLens]

Smart???? No that is genuinely cheating if it gives advantage.

[@omerosman1280]

honestly it's on EA and codemasters for putting such money on the line on a casual game with most players on controllers...I see this button thing as a 100% fair game, maybe slightly unfair to controller players but it just doesn't matter since the wheel is faster anyway.

[@ruipinto7399]

Blakeley Fanboy 😂!