'What Killed Michael Brown?' | Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, Eli Steele, and Shelby Steele

[@Psychopolitica]

We just spent some of the Patreon money to add closed captions for this video. To turn them on, click on the CC button in the bottom-right corner.

[@stevenjm12]

Was helpful to use. Thanks

[@sakuraando24153]

Thank you!

[@tteot1wph]

I appreciate it, but maybe someone familiar with the topic should review the captions. They seemed off in a lot of places

[@heatherduncan4945]

My dad is deaf and I thank you for making CC available

[@Psychopolitica]

@@tteot1wph Just re-did and updated the captions, they seem to be much better now. Thanks for the feedback.

[@st89]

We need a roundtable between Glen Loury, John McWhorter, Shelby Steele, Walter Williams, and Thomas Sowell. Most of these guys will not be with us 10 - 15 years from now so we need to squeeze out every drop of wisdom out of them. Let Coleman Hughes moderate.

[@m-2914]

Seriously! This needs to happen!!,

[@stevenjm12]

YES

[@olmossylvia]

YAAS!

[@timjansen7694]

Most people go to websites, news cable channels, etc., that they will agree with. It feels good for a person to have his beliefs and opinions supported. That said, I tend to agree with all of these guys in this video but I wouldn't mind having an opposing view challenge, and be challenged, by these guys.

[@larrycahoone2771]

Yes, but don't put it that way to McWhorter! (he plans on being around) Maybe he could moderate for his elders.

[@mspoints4fre123]

Gotta respect Glenn for always playing devil's advocate even if he doesn't agree with the position.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

I honestly wondered if the public at large might find it an annoying approach in a discussion ( based on how I've annoyed my friends by playing that role in dialogs over the years...haha ), but good to see there are folks on social media who enjoy this conversational tool.

[@jimmylemessurier332]

There's no one better for immaculately and eloquently 'steel-manning' an opinion which he doesn't share. It's a rare gift.

[@nkees]

I think it's more a skill than a gift, but Glenn's the uncontested best at it.

[@nateriver4951]

@@machtnichtsseimann It depends. You could argue that WW2 was great for civilization as a whole. While an intellectually honest approach, I'd assume most people don't want to hear any argument that starts with "I mean, the holocaust was bad BUT..." I'd say these conversations are necessary, but they're probably more effective when held away from the public.

[@machtnichtsseimann]

@@nateriver4951 Maybe I'm slow to your point. WWII was surely a just war if there ever was one. EX: to smash world domination efforts and stop the Holocaust, for starters. What would the Devil's Advocate tact be? "Yes, but did as many nations need to intervene in other countries' affairs? Why not leave them to deal with invasions and power grabs." That would be my attempt, at least. Not: "The Holocaust was bad, but..." Would you re-clarify your point? As well, why keep these conversations from the public? Fear of cancel culture? IMO there is at least a fraction of the population that yearns for these conversations. Witness: Jordan Peterson's attempts for over a year to tackle some of these topics head-on. ( Or do you think that the masses aren't capable of these exchanges? Confused. ) Thanks.

[@buybuydandavis]

Steele made an interesting point: Trump has a certain charisma in the Black community because he has no White Guilt.

[@subliteral1380]

Some people recognize empty apologies for what they are.

[@partygrove5321]

@@subliteral1380 they might hate you, but if you tell them that their behavior and attitudes suck and we despise you for them, they might at least reflect after their CAT 5 riot.

[@mkultra70]

Honestly. In my experience…and this is only my personal experience…most black ppl hate white guilt. I also find that even the most militant black ppl do not trust white sell out types. And honestly why would anyone trust a sellout?

[@pdumpsterful]

Not white guilt but white Democrats guilt

[@mspoints4fre123]

This new show is a long time coming. People been begging for more Glenn\John content for a while now.

[@starkscinema5031]

Yes!

[@sdmatso]

Why isn't it said "Why is it so hard to see the truth here"? Any white person is excoriated if we say things like that. When you do, you ejected from the conversation as a racist, hated, and evil. You guys seem to be the only people who can bring this up and discuss these things openly. Very good conversation. Thank you.

[@jennylowrey6783]

I love listening to Glenn and John’s conversations, have read some of Shelby’s books and bought Shelby and Eli’s documentary on Amazon Prime. These men are true scholars and teachers. Thank you for being such brave voices in a very difficult national conversation.

[@ccmusic2249]

This is such a refreshing discussion in a world turned upside down.

[@earlyrisersteph]

Or Dr. Steele's turning this crazy world upside down may be right side up.

[@asaasare220]

“I only fear idiots”, said my grandpa once, I asked him why? He said “because they are too many, one day they might elect a president” - Facundo Cabral

[@nopenoway9875]

This is definitely the most realistic, truthful , and refreshingly intelligent videos I’ve seen in quite a while. I’m looking forward to watching more . Thank you for sharing

[@davidgustafson7491]

I listen to as many podcasts from these men as I can.

[@MrZeroTerrorRide]

Omg, Glenn was so serious with that intro that I thought something horrible had happened instead of the wonderful news he shared.

[@loveone8073]

Trump had lost😂😂

[@MrZeroTerrorRide]

@@loveone8073 oh yeah, Glenn's still dealing with that.😆

[@Saddamuel]

@@MrZeroTerrorRide I don't understand people who are so happy about the supercharged continuation of the failed policies and ideas that Glenn Loury and John McWhorter talk about. This is what the US is about to get and it's going to filter down to my country and further destroy it. Thanks.

[@runreilly]

@@Saddamuel You mean black reliance on gov't?

[@Saddamuel]

@@runreilly Sure. And everyone. In the UK, the NHS is a religion. Our Conservative Health Secretary walks around with an LGBT flag NHS logo everywhere he goes. It's this identity nonsense. We look to government to give to us and forget that government is taking from us. Mr Loury was recounting something about how the projects were built to "help" black people but they actually tore down communities that may have been a bit run down, but they were self organised and functional social systems... destroyed by the government coming in to "help".

[@Jethroh37]

Glen's retelling of the transformation among the black community from rhe end of slavery to the early 1900s nearly brought tears to my eyes. I felt he was beaming with pride at their perseverance. I've been having an ongoing conversation with friends from college and school days about this subject. This video discussion is an excellent reference to share with them. One of our conclusions is also the need to engage and mentor the fatherless youth in our own communities.

[@lisamontez9401]

Making fatherhood honorable again would certainly help. I remember someone, talking about black families right after the civil war, speaking about men who would cross whole states, on foot, to find their families. That is a powerful image.

[@sivacrom]

Professrors Loury and McWhorter... I'll never be able to repay you both for all you've done for me this year. When I start watching you two talk, I already feel like I'm listening to old friends. You're brilliant, kind, clear, funny, friendly, curious and absolutely essential. Cheers.

[@sarahd2607]

I whole heartedly agree.

[@ninadaly7639]

Hear! Hear!

[@vegaobscurax23]

Well damn. I refresh my feed and see this gem. Mr Loury, thank you.

[@davidberndt6275]

Shelby talking about working with his son was absolutely touching. You could see the the heart felt pride in his smile and beaming eyes.

[@timffoster]

I resonate with the comments around the 30:00 mark. My father, born in 1925 Alabama, had a completely different worldview and work ethic than what we see popularized/normalized in today's black community. He was cut from a completely different cloth. A far nobler cloth. I fully believe he would not have achieved as much in life if he had been born 40 years later. (Dr. Andrew Foster, if anyone wants to google him)

[@lisalph8922]

I Google your dad. What an inspiration. It amazes me how people like him had so much gumption to overcome all the roadblocks that were in front of him. He made such a difference for so many. Kudos to your father. You must have been one if the kids raised in Ghana? Would love to hear some stories some time. You must have had a lot of incredible experiences.

[@timffoster]

@@lisalph8922 I was born in Nigeria, but only lived there for a few years. By the time I was 8, we moved back to the states while my dad continued to travel back and forth till his death in 87. I now continue the mission work he started. But I can promise you my work pales in comparison to his. I had no idea how accomplished he was till after I graduated from college and struck out on my own. I had taken much of his life for granted, thinking it was normal. After college, I was able to compare his life work with other people's.... In fairness, he almost never talked about the hard time he was given racially, so there's a lot of unknowns there. He was too busy doing God's work, and didn't have time to play the victim game. He would have no use for the likes of AL Sharpton, Jessica Jackson, Maine W, etc. He'd be in Shelby Steele's camp.

[@donk73]

Tim, you father's biography is most impressive.

[@lisalph8922]

@timffoster , those who do the work to help others and not to glorify themselves don't seem to be the kind to toot their own horn. I've known or read of a few people like this who donate anonymously or shy away from awards and accolades. I'm guessing you are like this too as you are very humble about your own efforts. Thank you for carrying on your dad's work. 🙏 Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure your dad felt overwhelmed at times too. P.S. I was shocked to learn on Wikipedia that Alabama didn't allow black children to be educated beyond the age of 12! To think that your dad managed to not only get out from under this but also to get higher education as a deaf person is a testament to how much a person can achieve when they are self-motivated. It breaks my heart to see so many people today viewing themselves as victims who are oppressed by "the system." It's so limiting and disempowering. I wish there were a lot more movies made about people like your dad to show what a person can accomplish even under the harshest circumstances.

[@jeda35]

Thank you, gentlemen - every one of you - for sharing your powerful insights and wisdom.

[@Malignus68]

The belief that laws and societal expectations should not apply to him: that's what killed Michael Brown.

[@rorschach162]

There's a lot of that going around.

[@markmorris539]

Such great intellectual leadership on key issues. It’s been my pleasure to read books by all of you but Shelby you have such a way of conveying complex ideas it’s just amazing.

[@birtaudabraham5943]

Great Episode!!! I didn't think they'd come so soon with this episode featuring the Steele Father and Son. This was great. Where would our sanity go if not for Glenn and John???

[@lew7907]

Shelby Steele has the clearest, most complete, accurate position on racism in our nation today.

[@astillman2]

@Glen: I'd recommend adding closed captions for Eli's segments, if possible, so we can fully appreciate his brilliance!

[@astillman2]

Just realized Google does CC's automatically, and in this case it helps some to have them on, even if they aren't totally accurate.

[@thepiccards2105]

I have no idea what he said... I was legit trying to hard to listen

[@thepiccards2105]

That’s why they never responded to him... they had no idea either

[@astillman2]

@@thepiccards2105 I caught most of it, but I've also lived abroad and am pretty good at understanding folks with non-standard English pronunciations. In the parts I understood, I found his takes to be really nuanced and careful - in some ways less ideological and predictable than those of his elders.

[@bambi7154]

I’m a non English speaker, I always turn the English subtitles on :)

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

Subscribed to the Patreon immediately. What an episode to launch it on!

[@AkilanNarayanaswamy]

@Historia Antiqua my parents have told me that my first name means ruler of the world and my last name is the Hindu deity Narayana

[@marlonblade007]

So is there an episode already on Patreon?

[@elijahwilliameby2030]

Glenn show 2.0 deserves millions of views

[@ninadaly7639]

I love listening to this show so much because it reminds me I am not completely insane.

[@libertywilly7519]

"Somebody somewhere asked something of us" truths stated simply are so poweful.

[@atiyadwyer4281]

I love this conversation. We need much more of this..

[@julianfischer1485]

Just watched this film on the weekend on vimeo. Great film! I would not have heard of it if not for Glenn Loury and John Mcwhorter.

[@jamesbarton1969]

I am a big fan of Shelby Steele's book, White Guilt and sorry John but the backlash is already happening. It may not be happening in academia but it is happening.

[@bohdanmaks]

Aahhh!!! You guys pulled it offfff!! Can't wait to watch

[@danak1600]

I can’t wait. Y’all have my support.

[@EnlightenmentExponent]

I love all of you guys so so much. Thank you, thank you for this tremendous edification.

[@wowomah6194]

I DEFINITELY will support you all.

[@codex3048]

Great to have Shelby Steele on the show!

[@parableproductionsvideo]

Watching this, I can't help but think how helpful it would be if this conversation took place as a town hall style discussion on one of the major networks. Sadly, it won't happen because the gatekeepers fear the perspective of these brilliant, thoughtful men.

[@karenfornwalt9929]

"The tragedy of black America is we gave up our responsibility for our fate in the name of justice." ~ Shelby Steele. Best argument for the primacy of the individual. We have to do the hard work ourselves to gain the experience needed to move forward.

[@alinar8936]

Weekly Glenn videos? I’m excited!

[@SagiNahor]

Hi Glenn. Thanks for the podcast. I would be happy to be a patreon member if the audio and video quality of the podcast is improved. Thanks again

[@Brian-gw5hg]

They delivered!

[@MrAhuraMazda]

Congratulations on making this episode happen. I know you talked about it in a previous episode

[@sabinesfamily]

Here's the book Dr. Loury mentioned about 30 minutes in. The World of Patience Gromes: Making and Unmaking a Black Community by Scott Davis

[@karenfornwalt9929]

This podcast should be heard far and wide. There is so much truth here that needs to be shared. You men have hit the nail on the head with this conversation, imho.

[@2truthmatters277]

"The World of Patience Gromes: Making and Unmaking a Black Community" was mentioned by Glenn right at about 32:50. I just got it on Kindle for a few bucks.

[@eric2768]

A couple of well deserved mutual accolades and appreciations thrown around there. Again, well deserved all around.

[@georgeromey4971]

This is probably the most honest discussion about Black America ever had.

[@eljefe8149]

There's a lot more out there.

[@reginapontes5672]

Congrats on the show!!! So exciting Glenn! I'd love to have you on my podcast to feature the new show! Best of luck!

[@unitedstatesofpostamerica7559]

Feel like Shelby Steele puts everything into words I’m thinking but can’t articulate.

[@RiseReligion]

We need to make the Joe Rogan appearance happen

[@TheTrainManBeComin]

No, they are doing just fine without Joe Rogan. Not sure what, if anything, he would add to their already insightful and eloquent discussions.

[@Teetee-kp3ph]

Yes! I want to see them both on Joe Rohan’s show.

[@Wo1fLarsen]

This is excellent. Thank you gentlemen for all you do.

[@pinkisforpimps]

No way, they actually did it ☺️

[@billthecat3688]

What can I do about my black community? "MOVE OUT!" - Shelby Steele

[@rorschach162]

Not the answer that I expected. You can't save communities that don't want to be saved.

[@nickforte]

Glenn, John and Bloggingheads, everything you've offered is a blessing and duly important for this moment. Best of luck moving forward and you have my support.

[@AlanNewland]

Utterly inspiring to listen to people who can be so direct, frank an analytical. Brilliant.

[@dommerdom]

Patreon has a bit of a rocky history with woke censorship. Is there any other way to support your content? I'd prefer not to support Patreon financially.

[@carriersailor2474]

Email him and ask him to add the one that many "persecuted" KZbin creators use, called "SubscribeStar" - this is the site: www.SubscribeStar.com/ If you look at it, slide down the screen and see thumbnails of some creators who fled there. Happily, Glenn wouldn't be fleeing, but rather expanding the options for his patrons who abhor Patreon. You're probably not alone!

[@kkampy4052]

Parler is another one.

[@jjuniper274]

Thank you Eli and Shelby.

[@ooainaught]

Guys. You have such beautiful minds and voices that are distractingly being distorted by your use of those terrible little laptop microphones.

[@TheCruxy]

Yes, the first Patreon check or two has got to go towards non-integrated microphones

[@donk73]

@@TheCruxy I agree. The Patreon technicians should also provide advice on the other aspects of podcast production like lighting and the problems inherent in using half duplex connections

[@tinamariejohnson7520]

Thank you guys so much for this WE NEED YOUR VOICES MORE THAN YOU KNOW!

[@lemonmousse9672]

Really, really pleased that you and John are organising more content & I shall be proud amd pleased to support you both on Patreon.

[@QuinnieMae]

Heading to Patreon now! Looking forward to this discussion back here in a few moments, and looking forward to the new content over on Patreon. Thank you Glenn!

[@thrillofbattle3801]

Thanks for being awesome !

[@mathman2170]

The press/media plays a big role in perpetrating the lie.

[@timjansen7694]

Two different cultures means there is going to be different interests, different values, different priorities. So, I'm not sure how there can be economic equality when there are two different cultures. Two different cultures also factors into the interaction between people which can directly effect employment.

[@mikewalters3048]

And then there is what I will call "cultural animosity".

[@michellemiramontes8631]

ℂ𝕙𝕣𝕚𝕤𝕥𝕞𝕒𝕤 𝕔𝕒𝕞𝕖 𝕖𝕒𝕣𝕝𝕪! These men inspire me so much!

[@anyakirby2014]

Just finished ‘White Guilt’ by Shelby Steele. A mind opener! Now reading ‘Losing the race’ by John McWhorter. Amazing. I see lots of cultural parallels between Russians( I am Russian and British)and Black Americans. Both have huge potentials geographically and intellectually, as their geniuses proved to the world many times. Both feel underachieved and tend to blame it on their unfortunate histories. The Russians are constantly referring to being enslaved by The Golden Horde of Mongols and Tatars (12-14c), that allegedly still have its repercussions on their ‘slave mentally’. We never asked the Mongols for the reparations though. But gave them Communism instead. Which excluded any chance of them paying much to anyone. Both have unbalanced male-female ratio for remarkably similar reasons (prisons, alcohol, drugs), which is not helping motivating men to achieve better and makes women chose less deserving partners.

[@SGbackup-t1n]

I have recommended this film. Truly a soul searching endeavor

[@honestjohn6418]

Glenn’s hypothetical gives both barrels again 😂😂😂😂

[@BeldnerFilms]

Amazing interview. Thanks.

[@jimbo77lol]

The USA needs to remember. It needs to remember the incredibly beautiful and freeing virtue of individual agency. It needs to remember that a predisposition of circumstances is only that, and that your ultimate fate is never a foregone conclusion. The people need to remember that we are born of the earth, dwelling physically upon its surface and that adversity will always exist in some form. Thus it is possible to spend your entire life’s energy fighting to sever every tie that binds you but I believe such an approach will only leave you utterly spent, leaving a corpse full of regrets, still held fast by some chafing bond or another. I submit that it’s far more psychologically fulfilling to instead devote our energies to building our inner strengths, so that the countless holds the world has on us do not chafe so badly. From such a fortification, we may ultimately exert such a will upon the earth, that those once terrible bonds cease to hold us.

[@tmcgee8489]

Well said. Excellent

[@BuddhishMusic]

Yeah man

[@justleaveit1557]

I hope you keep writing.

[@BuddhishMusic]

@Salty Eels do you have a blog?

[@academyofchampions1]

I thank God for men like you all. True courage. Thank you

[@victorbrown3570]

Dr. Loury mentioned a few videos ago that there would be some changes coming to his Bloggingheads show. I'd like to recommend 3 guests, Dr. Claude Anderson, Yvette Carnell and Thomas Sowell.

[@valencia4215]

Well done. Glenn, please consider having your own website that supporters could financially support rather than Patreon. If I were a Web Developer I'd offer to create it for you and John. I will support you nonetheless. This is great news! Thank you.

[@mathman2170]

"Agency over your own fate" -- exactly, wise observation.

[@intrograted792]

Yay! Fortnightly Glenn & John.

[@Chukwu1848]

This is a very important discussion that the black community needs so very badly. Shelby Steeles and Glenn Lourys ideas are spot on, and need a bigger platform.

[@m-2914]

I will sign up on Patreon for sure. Thanks for continuously sharing your wisdom and thoughtful insight.

[@r_e_panzer4960]

I'm not sure who would benefit more from this video; young black men or young white liberals, but both would benefit dearly. Thank you for this, utterly enjoying this podcast.

[@cook4287]

got chills around 1:00:15 listening to Eli describe the courage and tenacity of his ancestors after slavery. Such inspiring stuff and sad that those kinds of triumphs get drowned out by the systemic racism narrative

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Style and Grace. Thank you all.

[@user-yf3eq4lu4v]

You guys are the best

[@Madrrrrrrrrrrr]

This is what i call black enlightenment. Huge fan of the 3 of you. John was the first i saw step up stating his case of anti racism will hurt the black community. Thank you for that John!

[@daniellee4751]

Loved the video! Keep up the great work !

[@hanachelache66]

This was a great episode. Fascinating discussion. I have read "White Guilt" and watched "Who Killed Michael Brown" - both excellent.

[@gc0video]

PSA: if you have trouble understanding some sections, the CC (closed caption) button actually does automatic speech to text generation well throughout the video.

[@classiqueliberal8576]

Some of us don't use Patreon on principle. Any chance you will have a Subscribestar account?

[@Danoftheconda]

This is fucking brilliant!!!! I'm so glad that they agreed to come on and talk to you both

[@rosepower4265]

Awesome interview!!!

[@directivefour8103]

That was a joy. Thank you

[@amya.5852]

Subscribed! I feel these gentlemen's voices are so important now more than ever. I also bought the What Killed Michael Brown movie and thought it was excellent. Made sure to buy it on Vimeo and not Amazon! "There is power in the lie. When you put that much power out there, particularly to those who have none then the truth is going to be the enemy. They will kill off the truth" Shelby Steele. Wow! Wise words.

[@winston1014]

Thanks for the Vimeo information.

[@kathleankeesler1639]

Thank you Glenn Loury for addressing “What Killed Michael Brown?”

[@elbenfrau333]

This is excellent - but Patreon cancells people and your show may be cancelled at some point, so Locals would be better

[@bohdanmaks]

No joke

[@MahatMagandi93]

John, I love your wall colour. That warm shade of blue looks conducive to clear-thinking (you're the empirical evidence). Nice choice!

[@user-ru6pm4ri5s]

So much brain power - wasted. We should've been on Mars already. Instead, Michael Brown's name is better known than that of the second man on the moon. The hoax of Mr. Brown's saga should've been charged against the privileged couple in the White House at that time.

[@posieglom3215]

FYI: "The World of Patience Gromes" is available as an Amazon Kindle e-book for only $2.51.

[@tedmom3029]

I really appreciated hearing this discussion. The deep human issues of what to do when people do not want to participate in a society thru work/contribution is daunting whether it is the drug addicted homeless people or those who are intellectually incapable of participating in our increasingly complex society, or those who expect the bar to be lowered do they can step over it easily. TY for expanding my thoughts on it all.

[@Apriluser]

What honesty! Thank you!

[@mentalmachete2273]

Wow! I would have never expected this!

[@kham9578]

Signed up ! Thank you G !

[@humanoid9787]

Glenn did it! The absolute mad man

[@Leah-mf7ye]

I love this group!!! Great thinkers all.