What Kind of Karate is in Cobra Kai? PART 3 | ART OF ONE DOJO

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We spent the first two videos discussion what kind of Karate was in Cobra Kai, first by analyzing Miyagi Do and then Cobra Kai. We had a great response and in this video we thought it would be fun to analyze some of the actors and what their martial arts background may be.
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[@darrylvidal3399]

I'm watching....Thanks for the shout!

[@songoku9348]

Darryl Vidal I can’t believe Tommy beat you in the semis......

[@ArtofOneDojo]

@@songoku9348 I laughed at that part, there is no way. Daniel beat Tommy but Daniel would have never beaten Mr. Vidal. Unless he did the crane kick....but Mr. Vidal knows the crane kick. But "if do right, no can defense". Hmmm this raises some questions. But Tommy still should have lost :D

[@BaiLong45]

Sensei Vidal, you were amazing in the first film! Definitely noticed that you were a notch above the other competitors during the tournament scene. Question becomes, are we going to see you in season 3 of Cobra Kai? Fingers crossed and Crane Kicks ready!

[@darrylvidal3399]

@@ArtofOneDojo definitive analysis of Kk and Ck styles...

[@darrylvidal3399]

@@BaiLong45 nothing on the horizon....

[@emmanuelmontperous3537]

Fun Fact William Zabka actually has a Black Belt in Tang soo Do started training after filming Karate Kid

[@JohnathanSuperMachine92Mcbride]

Nice video But the saddest part about the Cobra Kai series that we have to wait one more year for a third season

[@GuruAuggie]

I rather wait a year for it to be good, then a few months for it to be bad.

[@herewego5679]

1 year later and no release date

[@boxingfan2796]

@@herewego5679 1 year and 2 months later and still no release date, trailer....or anything

[@karlcarlson5665]

@@boxingfan2796 it will come out in 2021

[@stormlord4719]

If only it had been just 1 year! But I think it will move into bigger and better things now that it's been picked up by Netflix!

[@JJ-in2jm]

The red symbol on the back of the mystery guy is Manji. It's official symbol used by Shorinji Kempo..

[@TheShrike616]

That doesn't look like the shorinji kempo logo. The Manji (Swastika) is completely different and incorporated into a crest. Maybe it was modified so as not to atract attention as something "Aryan" related? This is pure speculation.

[@Darkmattersfrank]

You are correct. I used to practice Shudo-kan and compete in Karate Tournaments in the late 1980'searly 1990's in California. I have seen that logo before. It stood out to me because of the movie. Specifically a tournament in San Bernandino CA. If you go to Orange Countys Shorinji Kempo page www.sk-oc.org/ you can see video of their modern students using stances similar to the one in the movie. All of Shorinji Kempo schools changed their logos to the modern one not too long ago. California Schools back then used to customize their school logos borrowing from the traditional arts because the instructors would put their modern commercial touch to appeal to attract students in the competitive California market back in those days. Kinda like Chuck Norris creating his own art based off of Tang Soo Do.

[@ninpo23tj]

@@TheShrike616 I am thinking the same it is Shorinji Kempo.

[@jamielondon6436]

I'm a Shorinji Kempo yudansha (black belt). The logo is very different from the one we use (or used), and neither the weird stance nor the techniques look all that much like SK. The manji is very common all throughout Asia, including Japan, where it is used, among other things, to denote Buddhist temples. I'm not familiar with any other martial arts that use it, though.

[@adambraun1990]

As a Shotokan practitioner who has also studied some Goju Ryu (before my Goju Sensei had passed), i had always thought Miyagi-Do was Goju, so thank you for this analysis of the films.

[@kennethcook8857]

Cobra Kai is now available on Netflix... Yay!

[@Mbq-sh6bj]

Interesting fun fact: The tournament competitor who fought Darryl Vidal (at 5:23 of your video) is played by Elisabeth Shue's brother, Andrew Shue (of "Melrose Place" fame). He's also seen silently sitting in the background when Kreese tells Bobby to put Daniel out of commission. ("But I'll be disqualified!") He was an avid soccer player (just like Elisabeth Shue, who had to downplay her soccer skills for "The Karate Kid") so it stands that he probably was an athlete in martial arts too, at least enough so to be in this film.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

I didn't know that, very interesting trivia thank you!

[@puravida4557]

We need a Kyokushin styled villain for the next season.

[@TheKentuckyPatriot]

Alley with an ey! That was awesome!! :-)

[@WImob420]

Wow. Didn't think i would run into you on this part of youtube 😁

[@214warzone]

"Mystery Guy" has the same weird Upward Guard stance that Daniel had in the Beginning of the movie. So possibly it was some sort of YMCA Karate that is always ready to block Axe Kicks?

[@barrettokarate]

In the movies Miyagi-do is based on Goju-ryu Karate. The writer of the movies Robert Mark Kamen is a Goju-ryu and Isshin-ryu practitioner. The choreographer for the films, Pat Johnson is a ninth degree black belt under Chuck Norris in American Tang Soo Do (mixture of Tang Soo Do-Moo Duk Kwan, Shotokan, Shito-ryu, Shudokan and Judo). By the way, the National Tang Soo Do Congress is all but gone now. There's only one school left and they seem to be transitioning towards Chuck Norris' UFAF. However, the choreographer for the show is a Yoshukai Karate stylist and although I'm sure he's trying to preserve as much of the original "styles" from the movies you can see him adding elements from his art. In one scene where two of Daniel's students are training they are clearly performing movements from the opening of the form Kusanku (Kanku-Dai/Kong Sang Koon) which is not found in Goju-ryu, but is in Yoshukai. The school Sean Kanan trained at in his youth was originally a Shotokan school, but switched over to Shito-ryu under Fumio Demura just prior to the making of the third movie, which he confirmed in the current issue of Black Belt Magazine. You left out someone very important from the Karate Kid films...Chozen (Yuji Okumoto). Okumoto prior to the his role also had an extensive martial arts background. At 13 years old he began in Chito-ryu Karate, then progressed to Shotokan and Judo (under Hayward Nishioka) in college. Then later on he studied Kajukenbo and Yau Kung Moon Kung Fu. As for the blurry photo above the mirrors, Jun Chong is still teaching in Los Angeles County. He has a website, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter and KZbin channel so it would be pretty easy to just contact him and ask.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

I mentioned Chozen in the previous video in terms of his character, which would be the same or extremely similar to Miyagi Do. I did not go into his background as an actor though so that's very interesting information, thank you.

[@KICKBOXER27]

Don't forget that Shaolin Kung Fu, Subak, and Taekyeon is a part of Tang Soo Do.

[@Knight2682]

This is definitely my favorite series on this channel. And I just gained a lot of respect for the actor that played Mike Barnes after learning how dedicated he was to the role

[@ArtofOneDojo]

His chemistry adds so much to the role and the movie!

[@danielwalshe3354]

The assessment on Cobra Kai is spot on, I studied taekwondo for 8 years and a lot of the kicks are very reminiscent of Korean martial arts. I love the show, it’s completely reignited my fascination with the arts and I’m looking into starting up something again.

[@jerrudbennett4308]

The show said in the third season that it is tang so do.

[@LThanhHao232]

After they confirm it Tang So Do, I rewatched your series of clip again

[@kennethcook8857]

Seeing Pat Morita's thumb sticking up when performing that downward knife-hand strike in the first film is a dead giveaway that he wasn't an actual martial arts practitioner.

[@TheAutonomousrex]

And that's Alley, with an e y. Ahaha ahaha.

[@Maniac536]

Watching season 3 right now I totally think everything you said is confirmed about miyagi-do.

[@silvertigeronthewall]

You know how you mentioned that there was inspiration from a sensei who encouraged dirty fighting? Well I used to be a student instructor at a kempo dojo called the Phoenix House of Karate. There was talk at our school about how one of Sensei Barry Bernsten's (R.I.P.) claims to fame was that he was the inspiration for Kreese based on an interview where he encouraged biting, eye gouging, etc... in a self-defense context (this advice particular aimed at women in that interview). Now I have not verified the accuracy of that claim but there was a newspaper article about the interview. What I can verify is that the PHOK school name does hold some fame and some infamy in the local martial arts community. There was definitely a Cobra Kai-esque aesthetic.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

That's really interesting! Could be some roots there!

[@ScorpWriter]

Hey, nice video. There's some things that we could see in season 2 that made me think about Daniel Larusso's true style. While in fact he's seen in KK3 doing a butchered version of Seiunchin, which is one of the 13 classical Goju Ryu katas taught my Sensei Miyagi Chojun, in Cobra Kai season 2 you see the students doing a chopped, butchered version of a Shuri te kata named Kushanku. I'll venture to say that Daniel San learned a lot more from Mr. Miyagi than just Goju ryu, and that he learned the basics of both Shuri Te and Naha te, or in today's style schools, Shorin Ryu and Goju Ryu. It was pretty common that karate masters in Okinawa cross trained and were exposed to several styles of karate at one time, as they gathered to share ideas and techniques. Proof of this is the style that Demura practices and teaches, Shito Ryu, which is a 50/50 mix of the Naha Te of Higaonna Sensei and the Shuri te of Itosu and Matsumura Senseis. I dunno, just saying.

[@RedKnight231]

It is my own film theory that the martial art the Cobra Kai was based on , however loosely , and subtly , is Issinryu Karate . As mentioned in this video John Creese was based in part on a former Marine whom the screenwriter had trained under . I happen to know that the martial art the U.S. Marines have used has been largely based upon Issinryu . { en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Martial_Arts_Program#Techniques ,en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatsuo_Shimabuku#Teaching_years } Also , from a personal anecdotal standpoint , I myself had at one time briefly trained in an Issinryu dojo , and I am sorry to say that it was the closest thing to a real life Cobra Kai that I know of . The senseis and senpais were the only ones allowed to wear black gi , like in the web series , and also my sensei once told us that in a street fight we should " Hit first , hit fast , hit hard " , which is almost verbatim the Cobra Kai motto . And the logo for Isshinryu is of a lady , who has the hindquarters of a sea serpent . This might be a bit of a stretch , but I would possit that this might have been the inspiration for the imagery of the Cobra Kai ; only with the lady removed , in order to symbloize the lack of graciousness , with only the ferociousness remaining. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isshin-ry%C5%AB#Megami Lastly , with all due respect , if Cobra Kai is entirely Korean based , then why would they use Japanese jargon ; from the word sensei , to dojo , and even the word kai , which is part of their name ? I would think for example that if it were Tang Soo Do their training hall would have been called a dojang , instead of a dojo . But I suppose that this could also be chalked up to continuity error , plus maybe the script writer wanting to try and hide any connection between Isshinryu and the fictional Cobra Kai , lest he possibly get sued for defamation , or something . But yeah , I feel that Isshinryu is quite fierce , just like Cobra Kai , in my experience anyway .

[@taekwondomaster4609]

Cobra Kai is Tang Soo Do because Pat Johnson was training the cobras. Pat Johnson is a grandmaster of Tang Soo Do; it’s obvious.

[@msericapayton]

It’s official too. They said it in an episode

[@taekwondomaster4609]

E Payton which episode?

[@Shadowrulzalways]

If you watch Goju-Ryu in full contact matches, it looks exactly like Kyokushin. I mean Kyokushin is a hybrid of Goju-Ryu and Shotokan.

[@chadwassemiller2985]

Keep up the good work with ART OF ONE DOJO! You share a lot of great things from the Martial Arts world! I really appreciate and enjoy your KZbin channel!

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Thank you so much!

[@sarabeeinKC]

These videos are sooooo awesome! top quality, super informative, fun! Glad to see mad respect for Sensei Vidal. One critique is the pronunciation of Sean Kanan's name! ( Kaye-nan, not Kah-nan). I did love the Alley joke lol

[@sarabeeinKC]

Although I would add that although "Dennis" was a minor character, it would have been cool to mention William Christopher Ford!

[@amacfoster2955]

Based on Season 3, Episode 5, looks like you were spot on!

[@christophergraham3160]

I thought I recognized the Kapoeira, but I'm no expert. My martial arts background is limited to 3 months when I was a kid (got to expensive for mom to keep me in), an introductory class in Krav Maga, and US Army hand-to-hand combat training. Which is to say that I know enough to get my ass handed to me, but live to tell about it. Would love to get back into it, though.

[@eliqk3qt2rg5v]

Great video! Learned some really great stuff I previously wasn't aware of but is really awesome to know about :)

[@williamw1332]

Awesome job Dan! Keep up the great work! 😊👍

[@domhnaillomuiri5497]

I think it’s cool that Johnny acc does tang so do

[@adamkee97]

Daniel LaRusso inspired me too! I'm already in my 20s and I regret for not joining the karate team in my primary & secondary school. They even have Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo, which are very common in schools in my country. Some even has Wu Shu. I need to stop giving excuses and work on that. 😀

[@ArtofOneDojo]

It's never too late!

[@setokaiba200x]

Awesome as always. i learn more and more when i hear talk of the Karate Kid series :)

[@gatorcroc7212]

This needs an update, with pt 4. Since we've all seen S3 and S4. And the answer is now definitive

[@ArtofOneDojo]

We're working on something similar :)

[@Kristofferan]

Very educative series!

[@songoku9348]

In season 2 when Daniel made his TV ad for Miyagi Okinawan Karate, Johnny made his own in retaliation he said and I quote ‘Good old face smashing, bone crunching American Karate’. So there’s that, also we learn that John Kreese founded Cobra Kai so it’s more evidence.

[@sliderx1897]

Sting cobra kai is more of an Organization not really a style

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Ah, but there is also "American Tang Soo Do". You also have to take Johnny's education and character into account, he doesn't have the greatest education and he's definitely "America is better", which he no doubt picked up from John Kreese. Tang Soo Do is often called Karate (or Korean Karate) and there are a bunch of schools around that operate under that. Also, in Season 1 when he tells Miguel he did "old school Karate"...I don't think he realized that Karate isn't as "old school" as he thinks, it's just something that was around before HIS time (Karate is a LOT newer compared to other martial arts). But William Zabka himself said it was Tang Soo Do, although I will absolutely entertain the idea of it being a hybrid.

[@songoku9348]

Art of One Dojo Very interesting. Forgive me I am admittedly not familiar with Tang Soo Do.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

@@songoku9348 No forgiveness needed, you brought up a great argument :)

[@aldenhaverfield655]

That one symbol on the gi you mentioned is typical of Shitō-ryu students!

[@natva89]

Great video!

[@user-kr1jh1wi4w]

Cool work sir 👍👏

[@grumpyvet7990]

One thing I noticed about the fighting stance of the mystery fella, maybe I’m off but worth taking a second look at, is that Daniel takes the same stance during his initial fight scene with Johnny at the beach party. Check it out, let me know if I’m seeing things.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

I never noticed that before, good catch! Does that mean the guy at the tournament also trained at the YMCA?

[@grumpyvet7990]

Art of One Dojo 😆who’s to say, except for the fight choreographers, lol. I know at my YMCA I took Shaolin Kung Fu before I switched to a non-YMCA Tae Kwon Do school. I definitely didn’t look like a Shaolin stance though. 🤣

[@mategov]

I still think Cobra-Kai is inspired in Taekwondo, as Terry Silver states that his master was Kim Sum-Yung, that might be inspired in a real life Taekwondo master. *for those who missed the previous videos, less known martial arts like Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do were called Karate in the US during the 80's, for marketing reasons.

[@chadwassemiller2985]

Thanks for sharing that fact! I didn't know that about Taekwando and Tang Soo Do being called Karate in the 1980s, especially for marketing purposes!

[@mategov]

@@chadwassemiller2985 Glad I helped! For example, Chuck Norris is said to be a Karate master, but he was actually a Tang Soo Do and Taekwondo student. He's a perfect example of a guy who went to war and learned to fight in Korea, later getting back to America to teach "Karate" - a real life John Creese, but reeeally nicer!

[@chadwassemiller2985]

@@mategov yes I heard that Chuck Norris learned about Martial Arts during his military service! A person that I trained with (who is Black Belt) met Chuck Norris. He said he was the nicest, most humble person you could meet!

[@ArtofOneDojo]

A lot of Tang Soo Do schools still call themselves Karate to this day. It's not incorrect, Tang Soo Do shares a lot of the same origin and is half based on Shotokan anyway. Most Tang Soo Do schools I've seen in person have the word "Karate" in the school's name.

[@BigBuck3ts]

Art of One Dojo I can attest to that. The place where I learned Tang Soo Do has Karate right in the name. I have fond memories of that place. The pictures of the founders on the wall as well as pictures of them and Chuck Norris, learning the Korean terminology, running laps around the block during testing, the friends made, spraining my shoulder after doing two classes a day for two weeks. Good times. Unfortunately I’m two years out of practice.

[@tonygallagher6989]

I know I'm late on this one, but they messed up in portraying Miyagi-Do as Goju-ryu. In some episodes we see Sam and Robbie practising Kusanku, which isn't present in Miyagi-Do. A possible get out clause there is that karateka on Okinawa were historically more likely to cross-train. Miyagi's father may have had a Goju-ryu base, but might also have learned some things from a Shorin-ryu instructor.

[@Soldier-of-God.]

Simply awesome Sensei Dan, glad to finally see part three, to this amazing Cobra Kai films and series coverage. Darryl Vidal would have indeed owned anyone and everyone at the Karate Kid, All Valley tournament in real life. Nevertheless it is great to see that in true honourable and humble, real martial arts practitioner fashion, that he stepped back without any ego or insolence. Thus allowing both William Zabka and Ralph Macchio, as the stars of the film, to shine brightly in the spotlight. As for the people you might have missed, I was wondering what little to no martial arts experience that Cobra Kai 🐍member who was the first one to loose of them to Daniel Larusso is in real life. I am referring to the one you know, who has that hyena sort of speak giggle or laugh, when he says: "Get him a body bag". I am wondering if he had done some sort of martial arts training himself, prior to the film, or just taught something for the film. Chad McQueen no doubt had been training in martial arts, at least at some point, given that his father Steve McQueen, including James Coburn to name just a few of the Hollywood stars of that time, had been students of the legendary Bruce Lee in his art of Jeet Kune Do. To me Chad McQueen clearly had trained in martial arts prior to the film, because he did one of those fake, fancy kicks, where it started low, Daniel Larusso (Ralph Macchio), lowered one of his hands to try and block the low kick. Only to have Dutch (Chad McQueen), swiftly, maliciously and sneakily, switch it into a head kick, that caught Daniel Larusso (Ralph Macchio) in the head. One of his eyes to be precise, given that Daniel Larusso was trying to clear his vision soon after. As for the new Cobra Kai 🐍season one, Talin Chat as one of the other martial arts schools rivals, with his taekwondo and capoeira type of acrobatic moves, he is the son of former USA karate forms and weapons, national and international world champion, Michael Chaturantabut, or simply known as Mike Chat. His father was in the popular 1990s martial arts themed TV show (WMAC Masters) or World Martial Arts Council Masters), where he portrayed the role of a Shaolin Kung Fu monk, known as Wizard. He showcased both Shorei-ryu Karate and Chinese Wushu (Kung Fu) forms, given that he is a former student of master John Sharsky Jr. He has also trained in taekwondo. He then created his own brand and school called XMA (Extreme Martial Arts), where he combines traditional martial arts routines, with the flair and acrobatics of gymnastics. Sensei Mike Chat is also the former Blue Power Ranger, Chad Lee in Power Rangers Light Speed Rescue. Ever since he has continued to work behind the scenes as an action choreographer, stunt double, stunt coordinator and action trainer for actors and actresses. He in fact was the one who trained and prepared Jayden Smith, the son of Will Smith, for their so called Karate Kid film. These days Sensei Mike Chat, runs an action and film choreography school in Los Angeles, California, where he usually streams the sessions live on Facebook, on a page called Martial Tribes, usually every Monday and Wednesday mornings, there in the USA. Unless he is away travelling either for film or television, stunt, action, doubling, choreographing commitments. He also runs his own martial arts XMA school. His own son Talin Chat has auditioned for Power Rangers, however missed out on a role, to one of the two main male actors, on the current Power Rangers Beast Morphers. Let's hope in the future he will nail that Power Rangers audition, hopefully catapulting him, to bigger and better things. I am also wondering who is that chap in the first Karate Kid film, as Daniel Larusso's very first tournament opponent, in the white Karate gi 🥋, with the red Buddhist swatzika, on the back of his uniform. How interesting and fascinating to know, that Noriyuki 'Pat' Morita, aka: 'Mr. Miyagi, had designed that bonzai tree logo patch, which represents Miyagi-Do Karate and it is emblazoned at the back of Daniel Larusso's white Karate gi 🥋. Thank you for researching, chronicling and clarifying, all of these wonderful facts, about the Karate Kid film. As always you have outdone yourself Sensei Dan. I hope that all is going well with your training. Also that you are having a great week so far, Osu!👍😊✌👊🥋

[@complexblackness]

Do one on Kajukenbo.

[@msericapayton]

It’s official. It’s the style I studied. TSD.

[@danielreid3476]

Cobra Kai is Tang Soo Do. Miyagi Do according to canon is Goju_Ryu, but it's actually Shito-Ryu. Fumio Demura was Pat Morita's stand in for the fight scenes.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Yes but the screenwriter was also a student of Goju Ryu. There are a lot of similarities between the styles, but yes I agree with you I am sure there is some Shito Ryu influence in there but Fumio Demura is really good and can keep to the essence of the character. We don't really see Miyagi do any movements that pinpoint Shito Ryu over Goju Ryu. Also, the "wax on, wax off scene"...you can find many of those blocking movements in the Kata "Tensho". :)

[@peterg1049]

“That’s an alley with an -ey.” 😂

[@cornellwaters9089]

🥋 Thank You!

[@bensigl3766]

While I know it isn't stylistically inspired by, I personally believe that the Cobra Kai "concept" is atleast partially based on a stereotypical example of over-the-top 70s-80s Dojos and, especially, American Kenpo Karate. The black uniforms, tough contact training, emphasis on "opponents" and real application, tough veteran founder, the idea that it is AMERICAN rather than anything else. I suppose those could be coincidental, but I really think they knowingly used public perceptions/misconceptions about American Kenpo Karate to shape a LOT of Cobra Kai's identity

[@quinlancarter737]

Can I just say we find out in the movie and lore that John kreese trained from some Korean guy (forgot his name) in South korea

[@cjsher90]

So your coverage actually made me finally go and watch the Cobra Kai series. Been meaning to for a while now, but seeing how legitimate the martial arts really was made me that much more curious. Thanks for these vids. Wondering if you'll be covering any other martial arts related shows or movies... hmmm

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Awesome! I would love to hear your opinion on the show. We are considering other films/shows as well.

[@cjsher90]

@@ArtofOneDojo i cant believe i didnt mention how much i loved it. Went through the two seasons in week (which with my schedule, is very fast). Seeing Daniel and his daughter doing Karate together was really cool since i started my daughter in a (Kenpo) Karate program.

[@davidburns8310]

Another great episode Mr Dan. Fun story I was wearing my Art Of One Dojo shirt to Karate class last week and another student recognized the shirt. It was cool to find that there was another at my school who knew about the channel. Also id still love to see you do a review of Jeff Speakmans movie The Perfect Weapon and talk about the different Kempo moves he does in it. Ive always wonderred how much of the Kempo was real and how much was changed to fit the film.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Ok so that is awesome! It's great to know the word is spreading :) I thank you especially for being one of our first followers and still sticking with the show :) The Perfect Weapon could be an interesting review. There is a pretty good mix of reality/fiction in there. There are a LOT of Kenpo techniques that are taught, but in many scenes they are done in a way to be exciting and cinematic, so it's a pretty good blend. A lot of the moves in the film are not realistic, but they look good. And then there are others that are totally legit and some of them I've seen Mr. Speakman do in person (and it looked and sounded as nasty as it does in the film lol).

[@cjsher90]

I was telling my daughter's Sensei (5th Dan Kenpo) about your coverage of Kenpo and though he didn't recognize the chanel (because he just doesn't really watch KZbin) one of the assistant Sensei knew exactly what i was talking about.

[@Scorch1028]

According to Karate Kid's backstories, John Kreese was trained by the Korean master Kim Sung-Yung. The word "kai" means a gathering (such as a gathering of people) in Japanese, but it has no martial arts application in the Korean language. Given that Kreese had a Korean instructor, you'd think that he would be called "Seonsaeng", John Kreese not Sensei, and that he would give his "dojang" (not dojo) a Korean name, but I guess that "Cobra Moim" doesn't sound as hip as Cobra Kai, and it's possible that Kreese thought that "karate" was more marketable than the Korean art that he had learned while serving in the U.S. Army. I absolutely "hate" when Korean martial arts get conflated and confused with Japanese arts. Karate is not Korean. The AAU (American Athletic Union) separates its Taekwondo tournaments from its karate tournaments -- and this helps to accentuate the true differences between the Korean arts and the Japanese arts.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

A mix is definitely possible, and very likely, though I still feel the root of his training is Tang Soo Do. There is American Tang Soo Do, and I do know a few schools locally that call themselves Dojos and Sensei. It was also the 1980's and the public didn't know words other than that so it made sense for the filmmakers to use it. As far as the Karate designation goes, Tang Soo Do is often called "Korean Karate". Some agree and some don't, but there is an argument for both sides. You can say it's not Karate because it didn't originate in Okinawa. But then again, Tang Soo Do has very similar roots to most Japanese Karate, it's half Shotokan anyway with some Chinese and Japanese art influences. Just like Okinawan arts have a lot of Fujian White Crane roots. It all overlaps. Tang Soo Do is dynamically similar and functional to other Karate styles. I don't mind the distinction of Okinawan, Japanese, and Korean Karate styles. Many parts are interchangeable and they are very similar in origin.

[@ryanmurphy2632]

Brilliant video I actually at first thought Johnny was trained In Kyokushin because he was very kick heavy .

[@adamschannel8685]

Hey in the fourth season (I think) you see a flash back of John kreese in the Vietnam war. In the scene his CO explains to him that he’ll teach him his martial art. I think, only think the CO said tang soo do

[@garycleveland6410]

Mr Dan. Thank you for the painstaking research that you have done on the characters and the arts that some of them trained in. I always look forward to your videos. As a Tae Kwon Do practitioner and instructor, I find it all very informative.

[@geocyclist]

The "mystery symbol" reminds me of the shito ryu symbol. circle with basic lines. not the same, but similar idea.

[@overthetopmartialartsschoo6111]

Tanner is Mike Chat’s son in which you see a lot of kids wearing the XMA Martial Arts school logo in series 1 tournament of Cobra Kai. Mike trains a lot of stunt actors in Los Angeles.

[@hmoniemiller1691]

I want to take up tang soo do now, seriously it looks awesome and has manny benefits

[@agnikaineverdies7646]

Same

[@LouKiss]

At Wondercon William Zabka said Cobra Kai is Tang Soo Do which Pat Johnson taught and choreographed. He modified it for film obviously because TSD isn’t super flashy

[@dcooper8886]

regarding the questions you asked at the end...I have never seen the emblem...but I have seen style and stance in tournament fighting....there was a point fighting karate champ in the 70's that did that...his nickname was the "fox"...and old master posted his pic and talked about him in my Martial Arts FB group...I'll try to find more

[@dcooper8886]

Glenn "The Fox" Keeney fights with his hands that way (one across the chest and one chambered in the armpit)

[@dattaprasadgodbole]

Anybody else felt that that the red circle on the gi of the first guy Ralph Macchio fights, looked like a circular swastika?

[@ArtofOneDojo]

It is, the swatiska emblem goes back well before it was used for nefarious symbology. It's a big symbol in spirituality. Unfortunately others used it and perverted it to represent something else entirely.

[@Ashigeru47]

KyokushinKai, was my guess, which is a combination of Goju-ryu, and Shotokan, since Cobra Kai seems to use similar teaching components, and a focus on pragmatic applications of Karate, including full contact, which most styles don't use...

[@puravida4557]

I wish it was Kyokushin but it's not =/

[@Darkmattersfrank]

I used to practice Shudo-kan and compete in Karate Tournaments in the late 1980'searly 1990's in California. I have seen that logo before. It stood out to me because of the movie. Specifically a tournament in San Bernandino CA. If you go to Orange Countys Shorinji Kempo page www.sk-oc.org/ you can see video of their modern students using stances similar to the one in the movie. All of Shorinji Kempo schools changed their logos to the modern one not too long ago. California Schools back then used to customize their school logos borrowing from the traditional arts because the instructors would put their modern commercial touch to appeal to attract students in the competitive California market back in those days. Kinda like Chuck Norris creating his own art based off of Tang Soo Do.

[@crimsonhawk4912]

This is cool.

[@bobbydc33]

The character bert is also a REAL blackbelt in jujitsu i think

[@thomashoban2430]

Robert Mark Kamen, the writer and creator of the movies, learned Goju-Ryu in the 1960s. So, that one is definite.

[@timothyeasley7615]

Hell yeah

[@lizb9148]

I dont really know the kata That terry silvers is doing, but I recognise a few moved from Wado-ryu karate (the style I practice) I may be wrong but I believe I saw a few moved from our katas Kushanku, Sashan and Bassai, where he turned around, holds his hand out and appears to kick his own hand, a move that in few Wado-Ryu advanced katas. Again, I may be wrong. This kata could be inspired by Wado-Ryu and not 100% pure Wado-Ryu

[@kungfusansootsoilihofuthun8895]

😃 pat johnson is a beast. Best channel anywhere

[@gregtaylor3535]

in season 3 the captain tells john in vietnam its tang soo do by name

[@mikewalker3554]

that was bad ass.

[@frankesposito2182]

Fun Fact : Ralph Macchio actually studied Ninjutsu at a Dojo in China! He became invisible to his wife and kids ... so he quit ...true lie .. (and yes China had the Ninja )

[@BL0HARD]

Your right that it’s Tang Soo Do in my opinion, Chuck Norris learnt Tang So Do when in the U.S Air Force on deployment in Korea just as I imagine John Kreese did in the Karate Kid universe. Can’t Kyokushin be dismissed since that style doesn’t punch the face and Cobra Kai does punch the face?

[@CB-ul2np]

It is clearly stated in S3 E6 time mark 2:50 minute, in the Vietnam scene that the Captain says Tang Soo Do. It is not a mystery anymore it is a stated fact.

[@pain_i_bring1371]

Just for anyone who wants to check out The Real Miyagi, it is available on Netflix

[@rougarou1559]

The left turned orange swastika at 12:49 is a Shorin karate

[@joseh.749]

Who's here after episode 6 of Cobra Kai season 3?

[@jamesmartinez1553]

Excellent video. You really did your research.

[@creed7349]

"That's an alley with an e y" 😂🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dshafransky]

Red circle reminds me of a Shotokan stance

[@solomondudley9530]

Cobra kai karate is mix with tang soo do because of the kicks but cobra kai art has a little bit of combat because John Crease was a Green baret and Terry silver

[@domhnaillomuiri5497]

Bobby is a fucking world class wtfffff that’s amazing

[@natalieshannon7659]

you know what would be great? analyze the Sensei instructor styles of John Kreese, Johnny Lawrence and Daniel LaRusso. Who is the better instructor/Sensei. I would love to hear your take on John Kreese's rules of "Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy." I know this is a fictional show and Kreese is a "fictional" character, but I still think that message is harmful. What does Kreese mean by "No Mercy" Does he mean fight anybody who gets in your way? What if one of his students is robbed? (Any karate instructor who is knowledgeable always tell their students to give the robber anything they want, whether it be money or car keys anything. Also if your dojo went up against Cobra Kai and John Kreese, how would you react. Would you want your students in a tournament with Kreese's Cobra Kai, or would be worried they would be injured. Would you want Kreese and Cobra Kai banned from a tournament?

[@ArtofOneDojo]

There is a lot to analyze here and that may be something to circle back to but Cobra Kai's behavior in the tournament in Season 1 actually justifies why Daniel fought so hard to retain the ban. They fought with the same dirty tactics that got them banned to begin with.

[@karatekidluke6351]

The one person at the end there logo style kind of looks like itosu-kai karate-do

[@ninjakidsbymarcel2495]

Fumio Demura taught Pat Morita Karate and was his stunt double. He's a master of Shito Ryu. They showed a photo of Chojun Miyagi (the founder of Goku Ryu) because he already used the name Mr Miyagi. Had to consistent. However the kata and training methods are mostly from Shito Ryu. Understandable of course since Shito Ryu is actually Goju Ryu + other techniques from white Crane Kung Fu + Kenwa Mabuni's own training methods.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Check out our Karate Kid Kata video... There is more Goju Ryu in there. Plus Chozen wears a Goju Ryu patch in Karate Kid 2, and he's also Miyagi do. Within the universe of the story it is Goju Ryu.

[@Phil-0-Suffer]

The variation on Tang Soo Do that they practice could likely be a “dark side” version of that from the Chuck Norris lineage since Laurence calls it, “American Karate” in Season 2. The black Gi, as others have pointed out, is reminiscent of American Kenpo Karate. This is a stretch, but it does crack the door ajar for the possibility of some kind of Kenpo influence. However, since Chuck Norris et al. are purported to have broken ties with Korea at some point in the 70’s and black Gi have been prevalent since before then, it seems more likely that Cobra Kai is, as you’ve said, some variant of Tang Soo Do. More specifically, some misguided variant from the Chuck Norris break from Korea.

[@edwinserrano1070]

Remember...Good Guys Wear Black...Chuck Norris movie

[@kanyec7591]

What about season 2

[@williamreed3759]

Silva's kata was probably a mashed up version of different katas some parts are vary similar to goshi jutsu.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Actually it was identified! It's the Jun Chong Version of Koryo. Check out an episode we did a few weeks ago "The Katas of Karate Kid and Cobra Kai", it goes into more detail and points out other Kata present in the films.

[@tonyforte3351]

Okay it looks like a version of shornji kempo out of the UK. That symbol is similar to the the great Britain sk federation

[@SgtSplatter782]

Yeah and there were a couple of schools here in Hawaii that used similar symbols back in the day that were Shorin-ryu.

[@pausetapemedia7942]

Shorinji Kempo that what that is realtalk

[@BigBWolf90]

I knew when it got to the tournament that capoeira was used

[@douglaskurtz8357]

I hear about all these acolades of these super martial artists and I'm over here like "I got a black belt...." next to all those sounds like "I got a rock"...."I got a jar of dirt!"

[@dimisy6400]

even the philosophy is kyokushin

[@dirgniflesuoh7950]

I think you missed ... Samantha, Aisha, Tory and Dimitri. Does Sam look like real Goju Ryu? What training did Nicholle Brown have? And does Tory's previous kickboxing show? Any previous MA training? That goes for a lot of the background ones, spotted anyone good there?

[@MarioUcomics]

What about the villains from karate Kid 2?

[@ArtofOneDojo]

They would be Goju Ryu just like Miyagi. Miyagi and Sato both learned Karate from Miyagi's Father, and Sato taught Chozen. While their particular styles would be slightly different both Daniel and Chozen have a very similar lineage in Goju Ryu. Chozen even wears the Goju Kai patch on his uniform in the movie.

[@obhadyahstafford5483]

MIYAGI-DO Is A GOJU-RYU Inspired Art, But It's Actually More SHITO-RYU, Both Founders Were Students Of Kanryo Higaonna-The Father Of Naha-te, Also Sensei Fumio Demura Who Served As MR.MIYAGI'S Martial Arts Double And Technical Consultant On The Original Karate Kid, Is An Exponent of SHITO-RYU, Which Confirms The Shuri-Te, Tomari-Te And Naha-te Influences On MIYAGI-DO

[@frausnt]

Can you PLEASE make a video about shotokan

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Yes, A Shotokan episode is coming but we have a few others in front of it first :)

[@aakashsundarramanmctm4368]

I do goju ryu karate and I knew it wasn’t karate as it was very kick heavy

[@maskedfishing7168]

Hahaha alley with a ey. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Speculativedude]

I agree that Terry Silver was most likely doing just an improvised workout. I enjoy doing those too because while of course practicing forms and Kata are important, you don't want to get stuck into a rut and you want to be able to freely move and change as needed. In a real fight (yes we want to first avoid, but sometimes it is not possible) we all know that nobody is going to attack you like they will in a dojo, so being able to change how you would strike is very important. That is one of the difficulties facing "traditional" Martial Arts here in China. So many teacher are so strict about students only learning the traditional ways an do not allow them to improvise at all. But of course that means that they are much easier to defeat in competition because the students then don't know how to adjust themselves to a new situation. That is why so many people do not believe that Kung-Fu is good for combat now because so many teachers are inflexible. (Also many do not allow sparring.) I just finished the latest semester in the Taekwondo Dojang where I practice and every class we try and practice something different. Last night we practiced grappling for the entire class time (an hour and a half) which most people don't associate with Taekwondo, but the coach encourages us so that we can be better and more rounded, that is one reason that I really enjoy practicing here.

[@TheInfantry98]

Speculative Dude Reviews Tell me you train how to use Guns and a knife

[@Speculativedude]

@@TheInfantry98 Not in a Dojang. Learned that in the army.

[@dakentaijutsu2010]

ok I knew William Zabka, Sean Konan, and Thomas Ian Griffith were real martial artists, but I had no idea Martin Kove knew some martial arts for real as well, no wonder it looked he was doing some fighting in Cobra Kai season 2