The Katas of Karate Kid & Cobra Kai | ART OF ONE DOJO

[@mykaratejournal2120]

The Karate Kid movie just never stops giving... So much to revel in and learn from after so many years 😃

[@ArtofOneDojo]

There is SOOOO much more I could talk about too.....and plan to in future videos! :D

[@mykaratejournal2120]

Art of One Dojo can't wait 😬😃

[@NinnikuDojo]

You could just ask Fumio Demura, who provided the Karate for Miyagi, and was also his stunt double. Then there is no need for the guesswork and assumptions.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

@@NinnikuDojo Fumio Demura was the stunt double yes, and provided SOME Karate for the movies. He wasn't Miyagi's stunt in part 2, and Pat Johnson provided the majority of the choreography, with Fumio Demura, Darryl Vidal, and even Ron Thomson providing some help as well. The Writer, Robert Mark Kamen, is a Goju Ryu practitioner and provided a lot of the Okinawan Karate insights. What "Guess work and assumptions" are you referring to? All the fun is analyzing and picking up all the clues on our own.

[@brog534]

I recently found out the meaning of wax on wax off paint the fence etc.

[@senseispud2197]

I remember watching the training montage for Sam and Robby in Season 2, and my mum was like the Leonardo DiCaprio meme where he's pointing at the tv, saying "that's kankudai!"

[@sliderx1897]

Yea kankudai

[@senseispud2197]

@@sliderx1897 did I misspell it? I'm really bad with that sort of thing so I'm sorry if I did

[@sliderx1897]

@@senseispud2197 no no i was agreeing with you lol as a shotokan practitioner myself i nerd out about that stuff lol

[@KennyValdivia95]

@@senseispud2197 check out my interview I recently did with Sean Kanan: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2rFXqFmq5ill7s

[@danberry4647]

Thats exactly what I said pretty much lmao

[@donalmacthomais7584]

Goju Ryu practitioner here... we have many styles of Goju Ryu. I am under both the IOGKF and Meibukan goju ryu styles. I had to learn 5 additional ones when I started doing Meibukan goju ryu and I got to say I love the way my sensei teaches us katas. Now, like Terry silver I have been doing taekwondo since the 80s as a kid. I love both styles cos they both taught me some valuable experiences and lessons. Keep up the great work, my man! Also, this part 2 when you talked about Steve McQueen I didn't know that was his son. I love his dad's films.

[@efe_aydal]

In KK3 tournament, It would make more sense if Daniel started the kata before they started the fight. So he would be ready as soon as they start.

[@chembleton]

well yeah but that would kinda of ruin the whole plot climax

[@jacobnestle3805]

It's amazing how much more authentic (while retaining its fantastical elements for the sake of story) the Karate Kid is compared to many similar movies

[@fourscorpio]

I actually learned Seiunchin for an Okinawan cultural festival -- our style was Okinawa Kenpo, but a lot of karateka from all styles in Hawaii participated, so we all learned this kata. When I saw it in KK3, I immediately recognized it!

[@chadwassemiller3360]

In Shudokan we have a variation of Seiunchin. I've also seen in local tournaments variations of some of the same katas were done differently. What I realized is that even different Martial Arts have vairing styles of the same Martial Arts.

[@shozinryu4]

That's AWESOME! Thanks for sharing that with us!

[@luigidragonborn]

@@chadwassemiller3360 is it possible for you to perform this kata? oss

[@chadwassemiller3360]

No I can't, to be honest, I've trained with a Sensei. But to the full extent of having gone through by myself, I have to say no.

[@chadwassemiller3360]

@@luigidragonborn I would like to learn it. It's a beautiful kata. Right now I'm training for my Black Belt test. I know I could learn it. Like life we need to keep learning and working on all things. I've seen it well done in the Dojo, it's fast then slow, it's one of the longest Kata in Shudokan Karatedo.

[@arthurwolak8785]

Interesting video. I agree with the Korean influences, especially in the fighting sequences in Karate Kid 1, which was primarily Tang Soo Do. I think that what is missing in the analysis is Shito Ryu. Goju Ryu katas are also seen in Shito Ryu but they didn’t come from Goju. The founder of Goju (Chōjun Miyagi) and the founder of Shito Ryu (Kenwa Mabuni) had both studied with Higaonna Kanryō, who practiced Naha-Te. Kenwa Mabuni also studied with others and incorporated their katas as well and he also developed his own. Shito Ryu has the most Kata of any of the karate styles. And while the writer of the Karate Kid (Robert Kamen) did indeed study Goju Ryu, the stunt double for Pat Morita in the film was Fumio Demura, who brought Shito Ryu to the US in the early 1960s and based himself in Santa Ana, California. I think what you’re seeing are Seunchin, Tensho and Kasunkan Dai as done in Shito Ryu rather than Goju Ryu, which performs these katas more robustly and with a heavier hand than in Shito Ryu. Demura would have taken a different approach when teaching some moves from these Kata to Morita and Ralph Macchio.

[@barrettokarate]

While Demura (along with Kamen) may have helped influence Pat Johnson with the kata found in the movies, he had nothing to with Kusanku. That comes from Hiro Koda (Yoshukai Karate) the choreographer for the show. Neither Johnson, Demura or Kamen (except with creation of some of the characters) are affiliated with the show. Any new kata that we see in the show will be of his influence and choosing.

[@dondaly7050]

Very insightful and educational critique.

[@JoshIsles]

Light contact, but you can hit hard.. yep pretty much what happens here in japan

[@Kyle-vb3fz]

I was taught a hybrid of shotokan and kenpo so I appreciate Katas that are older but have been modified and even combined with others. Keep this up please. Your videos are always informative, educational, and entertaining.

[@NYKgjl10]

As a karate practitioner (Kyokushin), I enjoy seeing katas in the Karate Kid series and seiyunchin is one of the katas used and I've been practicing for over a decade. There's so much to learn behind the techniques within the kata. Also, koryo was at the time when I took TKD years ago a prerequisite for brown belts with stripe to go for 1st degree black belt as I was part of the WTF affiliated dojang, but that was long ago before I took Karate. Each katas regardless of art that you may practice have its use and must be revised to no end!! Excellent video.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

As soon as I saw this video with the katas, I definitely agree with your assessment. Seyunchin kata in KK3, Tensho movements and mr miyagi doing Shisochin

[@doogerdoes5112]

Pat Johnson was the fight choreographer on the set of the first Karate Kid movie and he appears as the referee in the final scenes of the movie. His background is in Tang Soo Do and it likely you see his influence on some of the techniques used in the movie. Pat Morita struck up a friendship with Fumio Demura on the set of the first Karate Kid. Demura was Pat Morita's stunt double in the movie. He was also Morita's stunt double in the 3rd and 4th movie in the series. Its likely that the karate techniques and forms Miyagi teaches Russo may come from Shito Ryu Karate as a result of Morita and Demura working together on the film. Demura holds a 9th Degree in Shito Ryu and Morita has always held is friendship with Demura in high esteem and has even said he based his portrayal of Miyagi on Demura.

[@spicypinecone112]

As a former TKD practitioner its kind of nice to see the art that i love get some love from the martial arts community ☺ thanks for the vid.

[@barrettokarate]

One thing I do want to add regarding the version of Koryo that was in KK3 is that it was also in "Best of the Best 2". Not the part Terry Silver is shown doing, but the first half of the form. The Rhee brothers are students of Jun Chong.

[@OGJamMasterW]

I am a 4th Dan in Hayashi-Ha Shito Ryu and despite some differences in the way every kata is done these are the very kata I recognized when rewatching these films, so I agree. Also, I feel you left out a kata. In the Cobra Kai series season 2, I believe Robby and Samantha are also practicing a version of Kosokun Dai in addition to Seinchin. I know the kata Tensho, but I never made that connection so I thought that was an “Oh yeah huh” moment for me lol

[@barrettokarate]

Kong Sang Koon (Kusanku/Kanku-dai) has already been brought up to him. He just forgot to mention it. In the fourth movie Hilary Swank performs Nianchi Sahm Dan (Naihanchi/Tekki Sandan).

[@DevilslettuceNY]

I study Issinryu Karate since I was 14 years old at the ( crane kick ) comes from the katas Chinto, and Kusanku and sanchin is also a breathing kata as well and if you remember in the first karate kid he speaks about breathing. I would have to say you were spot on with this video.

[@eduardoherrera4151]

Good video. The Tensho Kata was created by Chojun Miyagi influenced by a White Crane Kata name Ryokushu. Miyagi took this kata and made a kind of a shorter version of it. Also he changed the Sanshin Kata by make it a little shorter, and using close fists as oppose to open Hands.

[@dakentaijutsu2010]

The kata Miyagi and Daniel was doing was based on real Goju ryu kata, Seiyuuchin!

[@KenpoKid77]

I always wondered what kata that was, it wasn't until years later when I learned it. Awesome yet tough kata.

[@XXXSakuchihaXXX]

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[@dakentaijutsu2010]

@@barrettokarate yeah! I already seen it

[@darrelmorgan1509]

Also found in Isshinryu

[@darrelmorgan1509]

Some are same kata you find in Isshinryu karate ...could you please do a video on Isshinryu

[@nicolast.davinci1561]

Good call on all the katas. I have been practicing Shotokan and Gojo Ryu for over 20 years. I knew those katas you mentioned, but had to really look closely to see the resemblance. I agree on Seiunchin, Tensho and Shisochin. I like how they incorporated some real karate into the movies. But I love the comparison of the blueprint to the vehicle. That is why bunkai is important.

[@Soldier-of-God.]

Excellent detective work, on deciphering the katas or forms, performed across the span of the Karate Kid films. I do agree that Sensei Terry Silver, was indeed performing a taekwondo or Tang Soo Do type of poomsae (kata/form), in the third Karate Kid film, when Daniel Larusso walks in and finally takes him up on his offer, to allegedly train him in preparation for the tournament, specifically against Mike Barnes. Those movements do look, too continuous and cohesively well organised in sequential order, like those of a regimented form/kata/poomsae, as opposed to random, shadow boxing, sparring techniques! I myself have wondered about the irony and seemingly hypocrisy of Sensei Terry Silver, when he scolded Daniel Larusso, for seeing him practice kata, before their training session at the Cobra Kai dojo. Dismissing it as a total waste of time, yet he himself was practicing his katas, when Daniel Larusso first went to see him at the Cobra Kai dojo. Even as a kid I always laughed at that scene as he wanted Daniel Larusso to do the complete opposite 😁. However your theory makes sense, he himself did not believe that forms or katas were useless, but perhaps instead Sensei Terry Silver wanted to disrup, as well as upset the established foundations of Mr. Miyagi's teachings, as a way to ensure that Mike Barnes would get the upper hand. Now reverting back to the first kata of Seienchin, we ourselves in Kyokushin Karate have this Goju-Ryu Karate kata, however for us it means (The Calm Before the Storm)! Regardless of that I myself once I came across it in Kyokushin Karate, fully recognised its movements in the Karate Kid 3 film, and indeed it was highly stylised and somewhat modified, to suit the film's cinematic, visual purposes. You did a phenomenal job in identifying all of the katas, plus breaking down and explaining its actual, possible, practical applications. The other kata that I recognise from the film, based on the movements, that Mr. Miyagi taught Daniel Larusso in the first film of wax on wax off, polishing the cars, painting the fence up and down, sanding the floors, painting the house and so forth, is the Goju-Ryu Karate kata of Tensho (Flowing Hands or Rolling Hands) in terms of its meaning for us in Kyokushin Karate. Overall I am also of the opinion that katas are the blue print of combat techniques, or an encyclopedia of techniques, where it is up to the individual to put it together, into practical and effective usage, when it comes to actual combat, through logical, as well as strategic, trial and error. Thank you once again for such an awesome Cobra Kai and Karate Kid films related, analogy video. These are some of my absolute favourites. Greetings as always to you and your team, at the Art of One Dojo, may you all keep safe and healthy, Osu!🇲🇽🇦🇺🥋🤟✌👍😊

[@Speculativedude]

An additional thought about Terry's poomsae from my angle is that he was practicing it much more quickly than most people do, so perhaps he thought that Daniel would not realize that it was a kata and think that he was freestyling, as usually they are performed much slower. Just a simple thought.

[@barrettokarate]

3:50 Aside from neither Macchio or Morita actually being martial artists, it should be noted that Seiyunchin or Seienchin is not a kata that the films' choreographer Pat Johnson practices. So he likely asked either the films' creator Robert Mark Kamen (Goju-ryu & Isshin-ryu) or Morita's stunt double Fumio Demura (Shito-ryu) to demonstrate it for him and he created the modified version we see. In season two of the show, there is a scene and it might be this same one 12:08 where Daniel's daughter and Johnny's son are performing the opening movements from the Kushanku/Kanku-Dai/Kong Sang Koon kata. Though, not a goju-ryu form, it is found in the show's head choreographer Hiro Koda's style as well as original movie choreography Pat Johnson's style. So there's one more kata or at least movements from one.

[@1punchkill]

Agreed

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Excellent eye, going back I do see a few movements. I will agree with you that it comes from the new choreographer's background, after all most viewers would never pick it up. But to be fair, as far as story wise goes it's not crazy to think that Miyagi may have picked up other influences to teach Daniel in the time between Karate Kid 3 and the time he died in Cobra Kai.

[@barrettokarate]

@@ArtofOneDojo That is a fair assumption regarding Miyagi, but I feel if one were to do even more of a backstory on him, I feel that he was old school and only did what was passed down in his family. I don't think he would have learned that capoiera style kick like we saw Robbie do in one of his matches and added it to his system and teach it to Daniel. With that being said, even though Goju-ryu is the inspiration for the art I think its also fair to say that Miyagi-do isn't 100% Goju-ryu. In the second movie we learn that Miyagi was also trained in Kobudo, which although some Goju-ryu schools do teach it I don't believe its a standard practice. The movies only gave us a basic glimpse into Miyagi-do since the timeline in all three was only one year. So I wouldn't consider it a stretch if we see Daniel teach his students portions of more non Naha-te kata like Kusanku. Someone else on here pointed this out regarding the Hilary Swank movie. In a scene referred to as "Dancing monks", Swank is performing a different kata. She starts off by doing some weird crane kicking movements, but then goes into the two opening movements of American Tang Soo Do's version of Chin Te (or Chinte), from there she goes into Nianchi Sahm Dan (which is our version of Shito-ryu's Naihanchi Sandan. Korean Tang Soo Do's version is basically the Shotokan version, Tekki Sandan). If Koda adds more movements from his system's kata I see nothing wrong, but if he starts adding more capoiera or tricking that's when he's jumped the shark on the choreography in my opinion.

[@itubeutubewealltube1]

@@ArtofOneDojo You are MISSING the most IMPORTANT kata in the movie! Darryl Vidal (who basically created the Crane Kick) performed a kata at the beginning of the crane kick, he just stated this in his interview with Cobra Kai Theory last week. What type of kata was that from? I guess you could just ask him!

[@MrParkerman6]

Ralph Macchio IS an actual karate Student, dumbass. Him and Zapka became black belts after they starred in The Karate Kid, fucking idiot.

[@Oakley2256]

I'm currently training in Goju Ryu and have been doing so now for 3.5 years, I came to the tentative conclusion of your 4th Kata to be Shisochin moments before you mentioned the name, so perhaps this is a good start to confirming your findings.

[@ShaunCKennedyAuthor]

I learned Northern Praying Mantis Kung Fu, and one of teachers I had took what I later learned were the 12 keywords and created 6 "hand forms." I incorporated that into my teaching. The first hand form was Gou Lou Cai, and it was basically Wax-On Wax-Off. I loved The Karate Kid because when students would ask "What's this for?" I could just tell them to get the movie and it was Wax-On Wax-Off. Students never questioned me again after that.

[@glennbroadley6683]

This was a very good video and well researched and thought out. I have been a martial artist since 1977 and have not practiced Goju but do have a lot of respect for the system and I agree with you completely on the Goju origins of Miyagi's karate. Most of my training has been in the Chinese disciplines, but I have spent some time with Kempo and Shito-ryu. I never thought that the "Wax on" exercises could be based on a kata, and more understood them as an interesting way to practice the basics. Thank you for the work you did on this. it was interesting.

[@boriquafeet]

Awesome 😎 My core styles are TaeKwonDo, Tangsoodo and Hapkido. It’s funny because all my instructors were ex military. Maybe you can do a video on what styles former military members most often teach.

[@praetorian3959]

Terry silver just dit some renraku-waza, which also was a part of tkd kata. Seeing it, you feel that what he does, flows really well! Can understand why they used it.

[@timmorgan9224]

I have no doubt that your analysis of the three Goju-Ryu katas are indeed - Seinchin (also called Seiyunchin), Tensho, and Shishochin. In my style Goju-Kai, the kata's are required for 1st kyu Brown Belt, not required but usually introduced at Brown Belt level, and 2nd Dan Black Belt. Well done on figuring this out.

[@JuliannaHolmes]

I was always so curious what kata that was!!! And I want to learn that version of Koryo.... Thanks for posting.

[@okamifang4059]

The "wax on" technique definitely exists in other arts too. We have it as wol gwan kwun (sun and moon switching techniques) and there are many ways to do it. Also can incorporate weights and stance work to get the hips and legs involved

[@thomaswhite2802]

Very respectful description of Kata, I study USAGoju and practice kata extensively in my training; kata is the books of martial arts

[@sempaiSteve1]

GoJu ryu guy here, I think you got it right! Well done going through all that effort on such a small portion of the movements to reach a very logical conclusion.

[@chrisc5499]

Does anyone else think that at least the beginning of "the wheel technique" from S2 of Cobra Kai looks ALOT like the beginning of Kanku dai?

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Yes, this seems to be a common observation, one I admit I missed.

[@opinionantropologica7639]

I have performed some variations of the katas your mentioned as part of my Shotokan curriculum, and I agree with the video.

[@KurtAngle89]

Interesting your Shotokan master made you practice some Goju Kata. Kudos!

[@yoshiharu2329]

@@KurtAngle89 😂👍

[@espartaco34]

Is sensei Santiago teaching online? I want to join you my friend

[@luisguzman9614]

I can definitely see some similarities between the third kata you mentioned and Tensho. However, I have learn two versions of this kata one from Okinawan meibukan goju ryu and another from Kenpo Karate. It is definitely more similar to the Kenpo Tensho. The Goju Ryu version is more aggressive and involves eye gouging. All the other forms I agree with you on. As far as the self defense technique shown to Jessica, that looks like the ten point blocking form which is practiced in both Kenpo Karate and Goju Ryu Karate.

[@davidacobb1]

Definitely Shisochin, so you passed! Badly done, but Shisochin, none the less. 😀

[@erikpuckett7052]

Thanks so much for figuring out the kata Silver was doing!

[@rick00770]

Watched the movie so many times. Loved the moves in it. I like the circular Chinese styles.

[@claudioantoniostinchi2875]

To answer your question, IMHO, no doubts Master Miyagi is performing the ending part of Shisochin in KK2. But the best discovery you did is definitely the korean kata performed by Terry Silver in KK3! That was truly unexpected 😱 BTW, nice video! Glad to see that Cobra Kai is putting Karate under the spotlight just like the original movie did back in the 80s.

[@danielle_r.k]

I've never seen this version of Koryo in my life, and I've been doing Taekwondo for 17 years. But Tang Soo Do is an old school of Korean martial arts, so they probably have different and older versions of the forms. FYI, we call our forms "Poomsae," in Korean, as opposed to the Japanese "Kata." This is what the world standard Koryo looks like today: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKLdlKSIoJeLgZI&ab_channel=MATTaekwondo

[@CILO132]

FYI, Robert's wise instructor was Kayo Ong. And yes, certain aspects of the character of Miagi were loosely based off of him.

[@karatekidluke6351]

Amazing video keep up the great work( Seriously I and many people would be lost without you.)

[@TheHartsook69]

You did a good job breaking them down

[@jayve4433]

You should do one on Sidekicks(staring Chuck Norris, Joe Piscopo, Jonathan Brandis, Mako, Beau Bridges, Julia Nickson)

[@sliderx1897]

I love that movie

[@dondaly7050]

In season one of Cobra Kai there is an obvious reference to the movie Sidekicks when Miguel uses his inhaler and his Sensei throws it against the wall.

[@rudy-dx3vx]

I studied tae kwon do for 7 yrs and instantly recognized when terry silver was throwing double round houses and spin kicks, of course this movie came out when i was about 8 or 9. But yes i recognized the kata terry was performing amd i believe it also came out in tekken 3. I agree with you on the katas as far as it not winning any comps or street fights but does building a base on how and when you can perform certain moves against attacking opponents as you have seen the difference in street fights and martial arts fights. Your opponents punches are not going to just go straight as you dodge so gota keep that in consideration as i learned that the hard way. 6th grade fight.... A kid out of nowhere jumps up from behind me. Now i was a striped orange belt at that time. So he yells as he forms this air attack like maneuver i quickly reacted by quick switching stance and round house to the knee while he was airborne. Then landed on face he got up i punched him in the stomach and he brings his hand up to punch at a diagonal angle i tried to duck thinking he would miss but he didnt instead i ducked in the direction he came down busting my nose . so instead i should of blocked or moved sideways. Lesson learned

[@jacobnestle3805]

The style of karate I practice, Isshin-ryu, has Seiunchin kata as well. A dojo friend and I were binging the films and neither had seen the third since we were little kids. Our jaws hit the floor when we recognized Seiunchin.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Ha! That's awesome!

[@jerosa07]

Though it has to be pointed out that the TKD that Terry Silver does is WTF (Olympic style), it's not traditional TKD (ITF), which was founded first!

[@matthewthompson2844]

Wow yeah I NEVER would have thought that was Koryo. Just goes to show you that even the things we know and love have major variations out there.

[@stevewilson6723]

More important to muscle memory I believe the purpose of the manual labor was for the side benefit of muscle condition. Having spared against different martial artists of different styles. I have come to some conclusions on hand to hand combat. Conditioning is almost as important as skill in the martial arts. There has to be the power behind the hit for it to not only be effective but to have the core to take a hit. With a limited amount of time, Miyagi had to train Danial everything had to multi-purpose. Techniques and muscle conditioning were trained all at once in a quick and dirty method.

[@shingobb6]

I love the fact that the movie showcased Seienchin even if it was done incorrectly. It makes sense that they would practice this as Goju Ryu was founded by Chojun Miyagi and I believe they had already insinuated ancestral ties to Chojun.

[@mypath2greatnesskevinperei787]

The self-defense drill is the ending of seiyuchin funny enough. They also do a shitty kanku sho in the cobra kai series which isn't even a Goju kata lol

[@honigdachs.]

You're right with all the Goju Kata - Seiyunchin, Tensho, Shisochin.

[@daniel-san836]

Seinchin! Calm in the storm. My favorite kata :)

[@jsimmonshms]

I do believe the kata is based on Goju-ryu, but have some serious elements of Uechi-ryu concepts --They show the focus and breathing and linear movement of Goju-ryu, but more of a not as strong forced movements during basic kata, more similar to Uechi-ryus -Soft hard circular movement, But either way very similar systems over all and all very good in the directions they went.---Hey its Hollywood-they try to make everyone happy

[@johanjonsson6504]

I am a brown belt in Goju-Ryu and I immediately recognized my style! :D

[@stephenroyalphillips]

Nice analysis of the Kata.

[@kyoshidarelchase6524]

There is also a connection to Hakutsuru Kempo. The crane kick Daniel uses is from that system. Also, the posture is found in the Okinawa kata Rohai and the Shotokan kata Mekiyo.

[@Brainwashed101]

Some of Tekki/Naihanchi shows up in the much-reviled Next Karate Kid with Hilary Swank, too.

[@barrettokarate]

Nianchi Sahm Dan. Its one of the forms found in the choreographer Pat Johnson's system.

[@anthonysimpson1115]

I enjoy the episodes well put together

[@chadwassemiller3360]

Art Of One Dojo I enjoy your videos. Keep them coming, what I love most, is I learn things about the Martial Arts world! I love when you do classic video games and Martial Arts movies! Thanks for all you do!

[@wushunoob3970]

The one karate seminar i went to taught us Seiyunchin, funny, I had no idea. Unfortunately I don't remember it but I'll have to relearn it!

[@SenseiAllanFranklin]

And the Heron technique is in the Nipaipo kata by Shito Ryu and in the Kata Nijuhachi by SKIF's Shotokan.

[@JoesAutoElectric]

Biggest issue with the third movie was what you stated. Any black belt would have to know Kata to attain the rank, so him being confused was honestly stupid on the writer's part. If they approached it differently, perhaps as a time out is called and then he is shown performing the kata to regain focus, it would have made more sense. But, it is a movie after all. If we want to be picky, the "crane" kick is another technique that never would catch a black belt by surprise either. I remember the Seiuchin kata from IssinRyu karate also. In the end, the movies were done well, with a great cast. But tmy opinion is the first and second are better over all than the third and fourth.

[@everythingbodyweight7012]

Great video as always, absolutely love it.

[@conc3010]

I study Goju Ryu and agree that the first two kata are definitely Seinchun and Tensho. As for the last done by Miyagi, I believe we can’t really say for sure. Its a poor imitation and, Don’t forget, it may have been edited and be out of order. I did think ‘Shisochin’, but it also reminds me of the ending to ‘Saifa’ (which comes before Seinchun) since he is turning and reaching forward. After this step, some schools position their palms facing together at to the left at waist level while in mine we hold them at armpit level, elbows pointing front and back. It finishes with a circular block which could have easily been left out in the switch in camera angle. His waving arms might also point to a rare advanced kata, although I doubt that it is. Another interesting point to include is that in the second movie, Sato’s student has a Goju Ryu emblem on his gi when he comes in from the storm

[@Eiche2k]

Season 2 of Cobra Kai. They also made the beginning of Kanku Dai (japanese version of Kushanku) mixed with Seiyunchin.

[@1491MX]

I'm late to the Cobra Kai series train but after seeing it on Netflix I can't get enough. I can't wait for Season 3. I was a fan of the original trilogy when I was a kid. I've loved seeing your videos on the type of Karate. I have always wondered where the name Cobra Kai came from? As far as I know there aren't any cobras in Japan or Korea. Could there be a clue in the name Cobra Kai? Per google search I found Kai in Korean means Victory, which seems to fit but no Cobras there. Just curious. Keep up the great content!

[@fernandoantunes151]

Really nice and accurate video. In Cobra Kai S2 unfortunatly martial arts trainers didn't stay true to the Goju-Ryu-MiyagiDo style and Daniel Larusso performs and teachs Kusanku kata from other Okinawan styles and Shotokan japanese karate style, styles completly different from Goju-Ryu.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Very likely the influence of a new choreographer who inserted some of his own training. After all, it still looked good on screen.

[@Maniac536]

Without spoiling anything about season 3, we get a flashback that shows the foundation scenes how John Kresse learned his art.. The name is spoken...and I believe so was the master....

[@pandorasbox66]

I really liked this video explaining the different Kata's that are either used or based on. Have a question does anyone know where I could get pictures showing a step by step for the Kata moves that Daniel uses in Karate Kid 3. If someone could let me know please.

[@uncl3sensei440]

In the Next Karate Kid, Julie (Hilary Swank) starts performing a variation of the kata Naihanchi Sandan while listening to a song by the Cranberries (this musical band is referenced in Cobra Kai season 3). Segments of Naihanchi Sandan can be seen from 1:35 and 1:40 in the following link:kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4PPqqmEoruKgZI

[@uncl3sensei440]

I don't know which specific real-life style of martial art Hillary Swank is using when performing Naihanchi Sandan. However, I see elements of the below performances of Naihanchi Sandan in Hillary Swank's on-screen execution in the Next Karate Kid: Shito Ryu Performance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqqzZ2CHha-lndk Tang Soo Do Performance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipfQnIenaJuqb68

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Agreed! I actually did a follow up to this, I missed that on my first time through.

[@progressivedefensetactics5104]

I think you did an excellent job researching and trying to match up the different katas! Did you happen to ever reach out to the writer of the story to see if he actually knows the katas ? That would be interesting to get his take on them as well. Great job!! I'm sure it took a lot of time to do.

[@mightymite3958]

Hey good job with the research!!, after seing the movements side by side id have to say yes you found tue corrects forms they were based from. As a kid these movies also imspired me to persue martial Arts

[@jeffreyc2074]

Regarding Silver being against Kata and it seeming inconsistant, remember Silver never intended to train Daniel to win or even been good. His intent he stated was to make Daniel feel like he was invincible as a setup to humiliate him in the tournament. I believe it is far more fitting Silver knew very well how useful Kata is for training, and that is why he was so opposed to Daniel doing it as he did not want Daniel to have a strong foundation.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Right, and the kryptonite to Mike Barnes. :D

[@dondaly7050]

Great analysis. My only disagreement is that in Cobra Kai Season 2, Sam and Robbie are learning Kushanku kata, also called Kanku Dai in Shotokan, and Kong Sang Koon in Tang Soo Do. This kata is not taught in Goju Ryu, but is taught in Shito Ryu. Arthur Wolak's comments are very insightful on this. I agree that Goju Ryu is the intended style of Miyagi Do, but Shito Ryu slipped in on film. A simplified, and morally perverted, version of Tang Soo Do is the intended style of Cobra Kai, but through Terry Silver an ITF Tae Kwon Do "kata" slipped in on the film. True Tang Soo Do is kata based and includes the Shorin Ryu katas.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

It's also Seiyunchin...it seems to be a blend of both.

[@dondaly7050]

seiyunchin is seen also, but the kata that Sam and Robbie are doing on the floating disk in the koi pond is the first quarter of kushanku.

[@nesshingumi]

G’day. I think you’re guess of Shisōchin as the third kata is a good one based on the two videos shown. I performed the kata for my 4th Dan grading and recognise the sequence from it. Kind regards, Shihan Glen Archer (5th Dan Black Belt, Anderson Bushi Kai Karate)

[@haroldmiller6853]

COBRA Kai is actually a really good show can't wait for #3 to come out

[@thepepperdojo8757]

I love the analysis of the All Valley Tournament! "With minors" .... I lost it. 😂😂😂

[@omegahusky]

The "wheel technique" kata that Sam and robbie did in the second episode of season 2 actually looks influenced by the shotokan kata KWANKU, it looks seriously chopped up, but I when I was watching it, I seriously thought it was pieces of KWANKU.

[@1R9A6G5]

In the 60's, 70's, and early 80's prior to John Rhee's popularization of sparing equipment usage in tournaments; what you see in the All Valley is how tournaments used to go.

[@onealflynn2414]

I enjoyed watching these movies a lot as a kid. As an adult I end up doing Wing Chun instead of Karate. Maybe Karate will be next on the list.

[@ruiseartalcorn]

Great stuff! I think you nailed it! :)

[@albertoinostrosa3225]

I agree with you! Good job!

[@Speculativedude]

I agree that the Kata performed by Pat and Ralph in TKK3 was done poorly, however I kind of look at it as akin to when you see old people doing Taichi in the park. It just reminds me of that because to be honest Pat and Ralph look more like they would be doing it for health and exercise, not "training". But that is just my opinion because I am still living in China and see people doing Taichi in the park every day.

[@MrParkerman6]

Incorrect. It was 100 percent correct.

[@biggfish11211]

Uechiryu Karate do is another Okinawan style. Im a 2nd degree black belt in Uechiryu I started my training when Karate kid started. When use wax on wax off. And paint the fence. They are basis of circle blocks. Look up Kanchin or Seinseiryu.

[@jplopez47]

Nice!!! The last movement of self defense from the third movement comes from Saifa!

[@furrybproductions]

OSU. I just learned Shisoshin. Yup. It's Shisoshin 🤣

[@kianisaac215]

Just finished watching Karate Kid Part III and this was in my recommended😂

[@matthewkeith1180]

What about looking at some of the military hand/hand styles WW2 soldier used to do

[@areitomusic]

4th Dan Okinawan Goju Ryu here.. the last one is from Shisochin. At first, it appears to be from Saifa, but looking closer, I noticed the rear grab that appears to be an elbow. Also, the kata Daniel has his Daughter and Robbie practicing on the round raft, is from Shorin Ryu and it's called Kusanku.

[@dominictollan7774]

Great video! Can you do a similar one explaining the 'drum technique ' used at the end of Karate Kid II? I still can't quite figure it out!

[@ArtofOneDojo]

I think it's more of a concept they were driving home rather than a "technique". They filmed the end sequence too close and you can't really see what's happening, but if you look REALLY closely you can. Basically, it's all about dodging and counter punching. Like Miyagi told Daniel at the fishery, "Best block, not be there". When Daniel said he didn't understand, Miyagi told him to "ask drum". Basically, at the end of the film if the camera was zoomed out wider you would have seen Daniel with his hands clasped together, and when Chozen punched, Daniel rotated to avoid it, and then rotated back with a powerful counter strike. He kept doing this, dodge/counter punch, dodge/counter punch. I don't know why they filmed it so close up, I didn't know for the longest time exactly what he was doing until I watched it enough to pick up on the clues.

[@MrParkerman6]

@Art of One Incorrect. The drum technique simply means to get good hip rotation in your strikes.

[@ShantaNathwani]

You bring up a great point about the "wax on, wax off" (and by this, I'm referring to all the moves he teaches him) techniques coming from the Tensho kata. And yes, this isn't the exact way I learned it and there are a few versions, I can definitely see its roots. Has you considered that some of the "wax on, wax off" come from the kata Urban Han? I couldn't find a good video representation of how I learned it. The one I know opens to a bensoku dachi with "crane hands" to the sides. In the next move forward, there are six kakeye strikes that very closely resemble those that Miyagi Sensei teaches to Daniel.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

That is interesting, and I'm definitely open to that possibility.

[@ShantaNathwani]

@@ArtofOneDojo And now that I think about it, the closest I can come to with the infamous "Crane Kick" is Hakutsura. In the slow version (Chu if memory serves) the opening is like the move from the movie, however, the movement or application is from the hands, not the leg. It looks the same in a still shot, but different application or movement.

[@DanielSanKarate]

Very cool video. Uechi Ryu karate has warm-ups similar to the techniques taught by Miyagi. Circle blocks like wax-on wax-off, fish tail blocks/strikes, and a down block like sand the floor. When I started studying Uechi Ryu, the correlation between The Karate Kid movie and these exercises made it easier to learn. Check it out.

[@pabloeduardocohaluna4001]

The patch on Chozen's karategi is from Goju kai, is a mainland Japan Goju ryu style, the okinawan Goju ryu came first obviosly.

[@guillermoletsworkitout3522]

We also learn this one time in blocking in shorin ryu

[@fredinandethebull2266]

Good work!

[@jleno66]

Saw the original Karate Kid 17 times in the theaters!

[@aquaquad7]

You are definitely right. The turn and cover with the long hand before you nukitie jogi uke is definitely Shisochin.

[@ArtofOneDojo]

Awesome!

[@iwabuchikun1]

Goju "Roo": a training system that can be traced back to Kanga "Roo" from Australia, famous for its kata San "chin" which is complimented by the basic Smooth "Chin" and the more advanced Hairy "Chin".

[@TrespasserAli]

I would love to see you guys going through the original Power Rangers cos there's definitely some real karate in there (and katas) but it would take a lot of digging to find each scene where it's used

[@MrParkerman6]

Of Course there is real karate in There. The original Red and Green and yellow Rangers Jason and Tommy and Triny were and are real martial artists in real life, except she is dead.

[@torbjrnamundsen7052]

I guess most has been said already; Seienchin and Tensho it is. The founder of Kyokushin, Sosai Oyama Masutatsu, repeatedly said that the two katas that should be practiced relentlessly and every day, was Tensho for self defense, and Sanchin for strength. To those who see kata as useless, and a waste of time at best, I suggest they check out some of the early MMA fighters like Bas Rutten. Se the open hand and palm-strikes,- and then check out the katas Tensho and Yantsu..

[@Sstofregen]

And where do you think mma guys learned from traditional karate. Like Sosai Oyama. Da