What Makes Lights Bad In THE FINALS???

[@kywhy734]

The player ... The player makes the light bad

[@XLORDPROPL]

True...

[@einsamerkeks5977]

Jep. Pretty much this. Light is GOOD. But most Ligh Players are too focussed on kills. If the whole game is focussed on plugs and kills then it's alright but usually the rest of your team will want to play for cashouts. Also most new players play light. Also Light is the most played class. It is only natural that there are the most bad players I started out as a light main too in Season one and now I am Medium>Heavy>Light

[@normalhuman4951]

Even in ranked above plat you barely see any lights

[@SlasherSeven]

Light has potential, but the community largely is ignorant of how to play it and it kinda ruins the class. Content creators help bridge the gap by sharing knowledge and strats, but they still have a lot of new players to reach. When I get a light that actually flanks the actual targets that the rest of the team are going for, I'm genuinely surprised and happy. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing light, but med and heavy are inherently better for teamwork without much skill needed. A skilled teamplaying light will always have their place. However, there is something to be said about noobs playing light - it is a baptism by fire for learning positioning, since you get punished so severely for each mistake. If you're masochistic or like rough training, light is great and the positioning skills transfer directly over to the other classes (just slower). Once you have good map knowledge, you can be incredibly efficient with movement on heavy, where you might be beating the noob light to the first vault. In this way I feel light can be good - but I would prefer them to stay in quick cash and power shift while building those skills. I like how embark gatekeeps ranked until you have at least 50 matches in, but I'd like them to make it 100, and have 50 to unlock World Tour. Digression, I know, but it just came to mind.

[@_VinSi]

The only thing light can do is cheese, the dmg isn't good enough, and they are too squishy they just look at you and you go kaboom

[@user-7x6zcpfs]

I play Light because I'm bad, you play light because you're good. We're not the same.

[@noahradford9218]

Idk how lights bad when half the teams i run in to are light stacks running the lobby

[@Kraber_57]

As a person who is over 6 feet tall, I can confirm lights are secretly overpowered bc being tall makes you slow and gives you tons of back pains!!!

[@Shiruvan]

not to mention how cheap they can get clothes!!!

[@ForTheSuperEarth]

Facts

[@notacoder3471]

Flucas Glazy alt?

[@pain3134]

I disagree about buffing light more than it's right now So many times we face team of good lights and they actually destroys the server. The problem with light players that they are playing solo without giving informations and seaking only kills and when the team loses they blame others for not doing good job...

[@SlasherSeven]

Yep. Agreed. The potential of light is huge, but most people fall way too short. Selfish lights are the worst part of The Finals, imo.

[@_VinSi]

"We should not buff light because if they are better than me then I lose" ahh statement

[@StinkyMick99]

Most lights NEVER move out the way of bullets, like bro you have the least amount of health you don’t need to take fights like this 😭

[@XLORDPROPL]

True...

[@XLORDPROPL]

You should definitely read the light class description. The light class is designed as light infantry, meaning you need to rely on surprise attacks. If you can master surprise attacks, know when to reposition, and understand light infantry tactics, you will find nothing but success.

[@contentwithkira8720]

Bro you made us not to play light while showing ranked light gameplay 😂

[@connorwood9320]

Everyone in the comments is missing the point of the video - anything light can do, med and heavy can do better. He’s not saying lights can’t contribute in a meaningful way, but if the light was playing medium or heavy they would see better results for less work

[@Arkensauce]

light can be a good asset to the team. I think a big issue is the type of person that gravitates to a light is not very team oriented. Which results in the stats we see; high pick rate, low win rate. I really dont think there needs to be much buffs to the light. for what it is. maybe some changes some how. like the health you mentioned was a good change. something thats not just making the weapons do more damage because the ttk on a light is already crazy.

[@thywhiskey725]

PREACH BROTHER. Light has some of the best solo frag potential, but its gadgets pair SO WELL for teamplay people nerf themselves by not playing off their team and expecting to win every 1v2.

[@gurenmk5047]

Also depends on skill level but on high ranked games where people have really good accuracy; this makes the light really bad just because most will either be using the famas and two tap head shot or shotgun which for the most part almost doesn’t matter because it’s normally a 1 shot and heavies with their body slams are hard to get away from sometimes

[@aizen5842]

No, the player is problem. I have had games with myself as a Light with another random light and a medium and getting to the finals in ranked no problem because we all knew what we were doing. This game requires huge iq plays and if you just W key instead of trying to capitalize on helping your teammate as a light wether it’s through Flanks or going all the way around them while your team has their attention. There is much more a light can do whether it’s to stun a heavy with a hammer or a flamethrower, using portals to make plays. Being able to revive the whole team as a light simply because you can run away fast and be sneaky.

[@matte_bar]

light has to be strategic, and have solid mechanics, even just annoying the nemies, take a kill to set up a 3v2, take a starting damage on the enemy team to ease the fight for your team is a very good play; i just won 3 consecutive mathces using light and trowing knives in solo quequing and i hade at least 18 kills avery round, so, yeah...

[@normalhuman4951]

What rank are you

[@aizen5842]

@ I’m closing in on platinum and I have been playin since launch just started to play less as the seasons went on though

[@SlasherSeven]

Yes. Because you're a glass cannon, you have to make intelligent plays. Brain vs Brawn. A heavy can get away with a boneheaded strat, but a light needs to be smart. Unfortunately many who play light only think of what's immediately on their screen and nothing else.

[@sparrowcf]

I actually really like the lifesteal idea. Tho it'd be kinda weird to give a class passive to just the light so I'd prefer they give one to every class, but worse ones for med & heavy of course.

[@JigokuSenshi]

What was the point of this video...

[@HasturBeta]

A personal idea for buffs to light would be to give their specialization usage i-frames. Cause getting killed by a turrent even after vanishing or dying to stray shotgun fire right as you grapple is kinda bs

[@Atom1cAtom]

so like when they're invis the first shot does no damage but still takes them out of invis? dash makes sense, I don't know about grapple though maybe grapple gets s if you're going fast enough with it.

[@HasturBeta]

@@Atom1cAtom Not like the first shot per say but more like the previous version of SOmbra's translocator kinda worked. Jus literally 0.1 - 0.2 seconds to avoid the ability going to complete waste. This would also allow lights to use a portion of their valuable resource for survivability like if they're super good with it's timing, avoiding being one shot by slam. Can even lock out the reload or w/e during those frames

[@JDavid-e9x]

You can get melted 3v1 whatever class but you can’t flee to fight another battle like a light

[@OrinTank]

thank you for helping my comp

[@DNYLNY]

I agree but Lights are really good at couriering the cash out with their quick speed and teleport. I think it would be awesome I wish if lights had a health regen over time stim gadget. It can be hard to heal a light if they're wandering around the map and I think it would also take some ppl off of medium and onto light class.

[@rH0und]

Lights do NOT need a buff. The description of the light: “Executes hit-and-run tactics” You are not made for direct confrontations. You are not made for soloing. The light is to act as a mosquito of sorts. Get in, harass the enemy to either drain a quick chunk of health, finish someone off, or divert attention. To allow your team the advantage.

[@skom555]

I think the one buff light needs is better support gadgets. Making them kill better is just gonna be very annoying in casual play, and neither will it really make the game more fun at higher levels of play. But giving them better team utility will make that tradeoff of just having 150 hp all the more appealing. I think gateway is the benchmark when it comes to impact it makes while being thematically very much 'light'.

[@unLokii-]

They should be able to kill fast to make up for their shitty health. Wdym? Only reason why their damage/ weapons always nerfed is cuz of the sped, casuals who can’t aim

[@thywhiskey725]

Light has plenty of support gadgets my friend.

[@XLORDPROPL]

@@thywhiskey725 He probably meant something like another taser...

[@skom555]

Yeah they have plenty support gadgets. But are they worth it to pick on a class that has 150 hp compared to medium for example at high level play? Id say give light better gadgets that make teams consider picking them for the utility they bring. Currently in higher level lobbies they just aren't worth the risk. I think lights current damage / kill potential is fine btw, doesnt need to be nerfed or buffed.

[@skom555]

@@XLORDPROPL I gave the example of gateway being the benchmark. Taser is only used for selfish play in casual games. Taser is the exact example of what NOT to do..

[@exeldiumXbox]

I play light main in ranked, either M11 or SH1900. I play perfectly fine in diamond rank and do agree that lights need a buff. But the biggest problem is that not many people know how to play it right. New players want the OP weapons, but also want health which is just not possible.

[@unLokii-]

I agree. I think they need to do a revert on most of light weapon nerfs and maybe give them utility to help teamplay. I think they should also add sum to light that’s similar to RPG that can do burst damage like a revolver with one bullet that does high damage or a blunderbuss that does high damage but also can project you like how the blunderbuss was in Fortnite

[@thywhiskey725]

@@unLokii- Light has plenty of utility, it has just as much support as medium class(minus defib). Tazer is an insta kill for your team, gateway is maybe the most mobility in the game, glitch can almost win a team fight on its own, vanish can let your team get the first shot in the engage, and it provides the best recon of any other class.

[@XLORDPROPL]

@@unLokii- I personally think that nerfing m11 and sh1900 is less work than buffing all other weapons...

[@khalilfarah901]

I think the light is fine and don't need a buff. people playing the class wrong people are running in to a full Team without a plan or game sens and dying on repeat but thats my experience

[@unLokii-]

Just stop giving opinions, u don’t know what ur talkin about then

[@thywhiskey725]

@@unLokii- light is fine buddy, it just requires the most teamwork of any class. The people who gravitate towards it are selfish fraggers. While it's one shots are definitely a vital piece of its utility, most of its strongest gadgets will not receive full value unless you are coordinating with your team. it's limiting factor is it's HP which you can play around by not being the frontliner of your team.

[@khalilfarah901]

@@thywhiskey725 I 100% agree with you if you play around your teammates and objective and stop the cash-out steals the light is strong but must people run light with a selfish play style or try to frag out and get slammed and called the class ass or give crazy ideas like give the light a life steal buddy we not playing a Moba like this guy in the video 😭

[@mixmaster6827]

I think the big thing is that light's don't contribute much to their team other than kills. The gateway is a great start at giving them some teamplay, but I think they should lean more into the recon/intelligence/team traversal aspect of them rather than more into DPS/fragging potential (Which is just unfun to go against if one class blatantly wins every 1v1 undisputed). They honestly could swap the jump pad/zipline from medium with the thermal bore/breaching charge on light and I think both would be more balanced.

[@jagga-jagga]

then how is medium going to get around or "support" their team with any movement? only support you can be then is a healer. I dont want to be forced into having to play 1 specialization or else.

[@mixmaster6827]

@@jagga-jagga That's the thing, medium would become A support role instead of THE support role. Heavy can support the team by tanking with barricades, goo, and barriers, Medium can support via healing and reviving, and light can support with movement/info. It slices it in a way that every team member contributes something to the others instead of one role contributing the majority one another contributes a third and the last only contributes possible kills.

[@mixmaster6827]

Also then medium would have a form of destruction they could use without the dematerializer, so they could support by opening sight lines or entries/exits along with their healing/reviving.

[@thywhiskey725]

Ur just wrong about light not contributing to their team bro sonar nade is VERY strong, glitch nade can win fights for you, tazer sets up insta kills for your team, and light can insta execute people that ur team mates are fighting as an auto fight win.

[@pleewis]

Every once in a while I watch a video from you. Then I'm quickly reminded why I shouldn't.

[@unLokii-]

I mean if you think he’s wrong then you’re either slow or just don’t play

[@junicon9183]

@@unLokii-I think everyone should just play what they want to play 👍 tired of creators telling us what to use like man im finna fuck you up with any light gun idc

[@unLokii-]

@@junicon9183 that’s probably cuz u don’t try to play ranked and play against horrible ppl. Like im really good with light but there’s damn near impossible situations to handle with them especially after they get nerfed like 50 times. Like u sayin what u just said was sped in itself, u can’t say that when a bunch of casuals come in and say light is overpowered, when it’s the weakest class, and then gets light nerfed for almost everything they had that made them viable in any sense. Ppl can play what they want and the creator isn’t actually telling u not to play light, he just giving the reasons on why they’re the weakest class and making a statement on how they need to be buffed alot cuz the other 2 options are leagues better

[@Arkensauce]

dudes that only play light are just mad, cant separate themselves from the class in the game lul

[@junicon9183]

@ well dawg there is only 3 classes, one of them is bound to be the weakest, and I’ve seen some very high level comp lights in top 500 and diamond. Imma keep it a str8 buck, I’m fucking ass I play console but I’m still plat using only light build and I can easily use medium build and go ape shit yea sure but at the end of the day you just aren’t gonna tell ME what build I SHOULD BE using

[@matte_bar]

what a simplification... light is just much more difficult to play and yes, in ranked at higher elos, light is obviously worse, but is much more fun to play and as you said, if you're good, have good game sens etc, you can do very very well; this said, you're right about the fact light should have some (very slight) buffs, a good thing would be a slightly faster health regen or a couple more hp, or they could buff very slightly what they nerfed for light class (almost everything) with nonsense choices, given that light is has never been the meta and if there is a class you should't weaken, well, it the one that is the hardest and weakest to begin with

[@XLORDPROPL]

I think that the light class should regen like 15 hp every second when they run unless someone is shoting at them, it will make repositioning visibly rewarding so they will naturally play a light class correctly.

[@nickr3526]

Light is fun to play but doesn't win games. The utility it provides pale compared to heavy and medium

[@SlasherSeven]

Soloqueueing with mute selfish lights is the worst part of The Finals. Partying with a light with voice comms, team coordination, and a little skill is awesome.

[@SlasherSeven]

Just went to play a round and sure enough first game is with two selfish lights, right after posting that previous comment. Made me not want to queue up for another.

[@CazDad]

Pretty much everyone is mute even when people have a mic they don’t call out shit and just stay silent the entire match the worst part about this game is the players they’re absolutely dog shit might be one of the most unskilled gaming communities of all time

[@thywhiskey725]

There's more nuance to it than ur letting on dawg. Glitch Grenade is one of the most powerful gadgets in the game. Light has 1 shot capability instantly making any fight a 2v3. It arguably has just as good support as Medium with its recon, tazers, glitch, gateway. There's more to it than just "glass cannon", it's asymmetry and it's more of an x factor than any other class. Light has the flexibility to be an initiator, executioner, disruptor, and a scout.

[@CazDad]

I get what you’re saying but not one weapon on light one shots anything but another light?

[@thywhiskey725]

@@CazDad double barrel one shots everything bro. I mean technically speaking its 2 I guess, but the TTK for bodyshots is pretty much instant bro.

[@CazDad]

@ no it’s not that’s a two shot get mad about it use it yourself you’ll see it’s not that easy you have to have pin point accuracy and shoot them directly in the middle of the body to two tap and if you are one meter past it’s two shot range it takes like 4 at that point you have to be super close might be the highest reward weapon but also highest risk the reload is terrible too the weapon is balanced you have to literally be like 5 feet away at most to two shot it’s still two shots has a slow fire rate and has a long reload

[@Yunbeomsok]

Sometimes you don't even notice a bad medium or bad heavy, but a bad light is nothing more than a burden on the team. If you have a bad light it may as well just be 2 people on a team.

[@maxrosefoxanime7225]

Lights aren't bad it just most people that use them are bad because i had games where they go 12 and 4 like yea Lights might not be the best but there are time where i want one of these classes at times

[@doctorevil444]

It doesn't matter what class you play, having competent teammates is what's really important.

[@dondon8792]

Light ain't bad. They really balanced very well.

[@dondon8792]

Let me explain, most people complain about light because they want to run solo in a team game. Light is made to scout, then once team mates catch up they buzz around. Alot of lights like to attack head on, then die leaving they team at a disadvantage of 2 v 3. Think of light as the running back of the team. You can't do anything if you got no blocking.

[@sparrowcf]

but i like dropping double digit kills & losing anyways :(

[@Moshikufu]

Someone's been queuing solo a bit too much haha

[@BeamiFyeTV]

I got Ruby with light... Idk

[@GeGeza]

hml mml team comps rip💀

[@cxnvn4043]

I mean if the meta continues as this dogshit medium and heavy game, light is designed to be a stick and move character. The game requires you to sit in one room together with two suck beams on one heavy. I have 35k kills on light with a 3.8kd and since day one it’s been hard to deal with experience players on medium and heavy that know what they’re doing. Because unless you sneak up on a team and third party. You get glitch mined and hit with a rpg and sledgehammer and then get to spectate for 45 seconds.

[@literallynobody5459]

L take, every class is good and bad in certain situations thats what it comes down too

[@CazDad]

I can see why you don’t like light man you play like 99 percent of them

[@TheBlackGarnet]

light definitely needs a buff or more utility or something.

[@thywhiskey725]

it's gadget utility is pretty good if you think about what it has, it's just easy to get carried away and only play for yourself.

[@XLORDPROPL]

Why?

[@vins1769]

The finals rage bait channel lol

[@sifon5495]

maybe a buff like they start to regen right after a kill?

[@Jutles]

Guys play whatever class you wanna play 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@WoggleEnthusiast]

They tend to take the nuclear option with light and balancing. Something feels oppressive to the casuals well shit can't have that here have a double nerf. I feel the game would be in a better spot if they fixed it to LMH and balanced accordingly.