What makes Telegram attractive for illegal activities? | DW News

Authorities in France have released the boss of the Telegram messaging app, Pavel Durov. The tech entrepreneur was granted conditional release against a bail of five million euros. He must also remain in France.
Russian-born Durov was arrested in Paris on Sunday. Earlier, he was charged with violations related to the messaging app. Prosecutors say Durov is complicit in crimes committed by others on his platform.
For more on this, we talk to Eva Galperin. She is the director of Cybersecurity of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a digital rights group based in San Francisco.
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#France #PavelDurov #Telegram

[@rafaelroma1657]

I couldn't care less for any billionaire but I find it funny that weapon manufacturers are never asked for info on who purchased their weapons and used in crimes.

[@symoon5430]

What makes you sure they are NEVER asked ?

[@nvmtt]

@@symoon5430 because no one is in jail and multiple genocides are ongoing.

[@symoon5430]

@@nvmtt did you understand the question was about "being asked for info" and not "being sent to jail".

[@FireIra]

I don't know about other nations, but in Germany, weapon manufacturers need explicit consent from the government to sell their weapon to anyone. Its usually nation who resell them illegally.

[@nvmtt]

@@symoon5430 did you understand that people who want to exterminate an entire population will NEITHER ask nor jail those used to achieve its aims?

[@disorganizedorg]

"Refusing a request" -- if you can be arrested for it, it's a demand not a request.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

It's an offer you can't refuse.

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

yea its almost like u cant break the law, and when law enforcement closes in on u and ask u where are the criminals and pedos that you are helping/hinding and you refuse to help, you go to jail ?? mega surprised pikachu face -_-

[@Zoe-dp5qt]

There is a very fine line between the need for regulation, censorship, and control of public opinion.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

I'm sorry but openly picking a side and an agenda in a conflict Mark knows bubkes about is not " regulation " or " moderation ".

[@Zoe-dp5qt]

@@tatianalyulkin410 mainstream western media and politics pick openly a side and they have clearly an agenda. There are different opinions out there and as far as I remember everyone has the right to express them. This is the core of free speech. The only exception I can accept is the prohibition of hate speech

[@HeadOfHorror]

We thought whatsapp and the rest are encrypted 😂, nobody's arresting their CEO😅

[@colin8696908]

whatapp uses closed source encryption protocol though, so no one really knows if there is a back door or not.

[@vranigavrani]

@@colin8696908 Govts obviously have a way of snooping on its traffic since they are not arresting them...

[@aritrabhattacharyya3379]

@@colin8696908 Of course there is a backdoor, that's why Zuck is not in jail while Durov is.

[@robertmukuka8565]

@@colin8696908 WhatsApp and Facebook have back doors on the end to end encryption, telegram does not and CEO refused to give Western Governments any back doors... this is the main issue, they want the back door so as to curve free speech, this is not about terrorist and criminals, Western Goverments are desperate to get hold of narrative regarding their crimes around the wrld, espcailly in Ukraine and Gaza, so i cant be suprised if Mosad is involved in this...

[@artiartibald9431]

Here it is, Western "democracy and freedom of speech"

[@rowredround7206]

Oh well, we should all just abandon the whole idea should we?

[@MirceaKitsune]

US / EU and their colonies are well on their way to becoming more authoritarian that Russia. Yet they still have the lack of basic self awareness to tell us how Putin will be the one that takes our freedoms away if not stopped, and how if we defeat the Russians the "liberal" world order will survive... LIBERAL world order 🤣

[@DSan-kl2yc]

Its one country. What's your preference, eastern Dictatorship? Would that solve something.

[@Mabuhay-qk4yj]

In short: privacy is not allowed.

[@TheIndianTechie007]

Privacy is the thing what he was violating and got arrested.

[@solar0wind]

Yes, the EU will soon have a vote about a law that would force every messenger to break encryption. They claim that it is for the protection of children, but every children's rights group says that this measure won't help, so it's clear that the true purpose is something different. Almost all EU countries will vote for this law. So far, only Germany and Poland are against it.

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

yea its almost like u cant break the law, and when law enforcement closes in on u and ask u where are the criminals and pedos that you are helping/hinding and you refuse to help, you go to jail ?? mega surprised pikachu face -_-

[@labandonaldhock80]

Is the car dealer responsible if a car he sold is used to rob a bank.

[@sergeybebenin]

No, but he's responsible if he's hiding this car from authorities to search

[@mensrea1251]

The correct analogy is if a car manufacturer built cars that have been designed with bank robbery in mind (stealth tech, armored, bullet proof, large storage designed to hold weapons and loot, built in gps specifically programmed for faster getaway route, etc.) and the manufacturer advertises such features and directs marketing efforts to known bank robbers, and in fact a significant percentage of its customer base purchases those cars to actually commit bank robberies - does the car manufacturer bear any legal responsibility?

[@user-nu8uc8wq8v]

An inaccurate poorly constructed analogy.

[@Northcountry1926]

@@John-jd8vxThis 🎯🎯🎯

[@Risran]

​@@user-nu8uc8wq8v ok bot

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

In another video, we learned that 100% democracy is impossible.

[@JohnQPublic11]

How do we catch politicians committing illegal activities?

[@zdravkobelinski4627]

by stop voting for them obviously

[@aceyage]

By replacing them with open source AI.

[@viktoremilov3202]

They have immunity of the law, so they can do illegal activities with no consequences.

[@caspar9794]

Journalism, it's the role journalists play in a democratic society.

[@arizvisa]

catch.. or charge? you catch things by having accurate information and developing it into something actionable. your community's journalists are supposed to report on their community which includes the leadership that your community/state puts into power. if they're restricted from getting direct or related information, though, then there's no easy way to discover unscrupulous activities made by said politician w/o an information leak of some kind. there's been a number of things that have driven up the cost of information by creating opacities. we're in the information age, it's relevant to identify these opacities and complain loud enough till others hear about and propagate it. perhaps eventually, people will want change, and the it'll become indoctrinated into the society of the next generation. charge, simply requires judicial and prosecutorial leadership to be honest and transparent so that they can be held accountable. unfortunately, we only learn from our failures...and even then it's not a given.

[@ANTheWhizkid]

Encryption is necessary to protect personal rights. Europe tries to get more and more control and supervision over communication. That begins to make me as normal citizen feel uncomfortable.

[@mrazizi583]

He did nothing but arrested for not being a blind to what they are doing in Gaza and the rest of the world and that's West democracy is!! 😂😂😂😂

[@freedombro6502]

Oh no civilians can have private conversations? 😢

[@MirceaKitsune]

Can't you people stop being so irresponsible and think of the children already, so we can install those CCTV cameras that livestream your home 24/7 to law enforcement?

[@SergioBallestrero]

Thanks DW for interviewing a knowledgeable person from EFF that didn't just randomly rant for one side or the other. As she said, the detail of the accusations, and what they want from Telegram, is crucial to be able to judge. If I should guess now, they are mostly after the metadata (IP addresses etc, not content) of specific E2EE conversations. This is something that French justice is routinely asking and in some cases obtaining from other E2EE platforms. What I also still wonder about is where does the UAE judicial stand in this, since Telegram is based there? Did they allow the requests and Telegram refused, or is France trying to bypass them and directly pressure Telegram? PS AFAIK the French investigators and judicial are not yet required by law to publicly divulge the details, at this stage, contrary to what it may be in the USA. So nothing too sketchy yet, but it would be quite helpful if they did.

[@franciscouderq1100]

EXACTLY

[@ToeKneeOooo]

This is why Signal is better.

[@colin8696908]

"(IP addresses etc, not content) of specific E2EE conversations." That would show who they were communicating with but not the message itself. There is a lot of data on Telegram that isn't encrypted to though such as group chat's.

[@Cheffhood]

No it's because UAE frozed the deal to buy rafale jets don't lie y'all

[@colin8696908]

Tech company's should stay out of France. This is the same as saying that any type of messaging encryption is illegal. By that standard Tim Cook CEO of apple could be arrested the next time he visits.

[@ToeKneeOooo]

It is much worse. All the social media CEOs are technically complicit by France's definition of complicit.

[@solar0wind]

Soon, encryption will be illegal in the EU, and I don't know of any way to stop it. And that scares me. The only countries who are against this possible law for now are Germany amd Poland, but the EU countries will vote about this soon. This scares me.

[@vervetech9395]

Apple is cooperating with NSA and CIA now

[@nosionose6894]

That's the price of freedom.

[@Lucas_pr028]

Exactly, users can not be unknow

[@geothon]

If you fond your freedom in child pornography, then- yes.

[@franciscouderq1100]

It s called RESPONSIBILITY

[@ernstschwaig4667]

No, that's the price of being an FSB agent.

[@ToeKneeOooo]

The price of freedom is not less freedom, it is responsibility. You can't be responsible for someone else's irresponsibility unless there is proof that they were involved.

[@fingerprint8479]

Julian Assange and Eduard Snowden all over again...

[@user-ho7me9dd5y]

They are "highly likely" Putin's agents and enemies of freedom. Nothing to see here.

[@mute9914]

Jup

[@geothon]

Very different situation. Hardly any similarities at all. If anything- this is more like the Silk Road whose operator Ulbricht got two life terms.

[@america1754]

Assange is evil. Snowden was reckless. This guy is innocent.

[@franciscouderq1100]

Not at all the same situation , you are mistaking.

[@babahanuman83]

money money. he was released few hours after UAE put 10 billion dollar deal for rafale fighterjets on ice. money money.

[@yudodis]

He's probably just going to escape to a country that won't extradite him and give France the finger.

[@branimirsalevic5092]

@@yudodis and make himself a criminal, fugitive from justice? Why would he do that?

[@mute9914]

What justice?​@@branimirsalevic5092

[@GolDRoger-fx2fp]

​​@@branimirsalevic5092 i don't get it, why they targeted him when other platform also doing that?.

[@alexm566]

​@@branimirsalevic5092What justice are you speaking of? This is tyranny.

[@branimirsalevic5092]

@@alexm566 Decent man, which mr.Durov definitely is, doesn't run from tyranny; He confronts it. P.S. If he runs, what hope the rest of us have in the face of tyranny?

[@pelaoinfo]

"democracy"

[@PhillipBell]

Died a long time ago.

[@athenakoios]

Joke that’s pure joke. Shame on France

[@TabletMini]

Will they also arrest the developer of the Signal application that has been recommended by Edward Snowden for most secure than WhatsApp and Telegram

[@throughput6674]

signal is not secure. or whatsApp or telegram. they all require either an email or telephone number or both. which gives these companies KYC

[@tazoman26]

​@@throughput6674you can use a burner number on signal

[@meteorknight999]

​@@throughput6674they have end to end inscription

[@alexview3971]

​@@throughput6674getting illegal phone number is not a problem. It's just against bots

[@ToeKneeOooo]

​​​@@throughput6674But Signal only collects phone numbers while the other apps collect a lot more meta data that is saved on their servers and can be turned over to authorities that have a warrant.

[@mycats4677]

So West can't control telegram.

[@michaelagbayani4961]

So netanyahu is not getting arrested for killing civilians and now durov is been arested for the crimes on his platform😂😂

[@solar0wind]

How do you want to arrest him in his own country?

[@avrilprinzip1092]

He visited the USA and was applauded at the congress instead.

[@viktoremilov3202]

It's the biggest shambal of this year.

[@TabletMini]

No more French wine for me

[@sergeybebenin]

I'm sure your business will be missed, 7mo old account 😂 You can switch to Rostov wine

[@darkhorseman8263]

​@@sergeybebeninSaudi Arabia just cancelled 16 billion in warplanes from France over this.

[@sergeybebenin]

@@darkhorseman8263 sure they did

[@franciscouderq1100]

Stay sober, good for you

[@franciscouderq1100]

@@darkhorseman8263 yr link(s) sourse , please

[@PhillipBell]

"Strict conditions" means "give the government some of your billions".

[@PeterRudesindus]

Completely wrong. They want the encryption codes and for backdoors to be installed in the app so that the french government can control and see everything anyone ever says online.

[@franciscouderq1100]

🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤮type of comment

[@PeterRudesindus]

Another envious poor person.

[@JSwift-jq3wn]

Since the mafia boss, Netanyahu, is too big for you, you go after a traffic violation.

[@franciscouderq1100]

Net is having more and more trouble with international courts

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Please do not compare that man and say John Gotti. Goddaddy was not in the business of killing children!

[@oriusnex]

Glad to see you interviewing EFF.

[@disorganizedorg]

I can list about a dozen large news organizations that would benefit greatly from a 5 minute chat with her. These things are not difficult to understand.

[@sbrown314]

If you own a coffee shop and two terrorists come and have a private conversation in your shop, are you culpable for facilitating that private conversation?

[@vranigavrani]

Yep, its call freedom and democracy.

[@PeterRudesindus]

They arrested him even though his business isn't even in France and their laws don't apply to him. But they did it anyways and now their laws apply just because they want to.

[@geothon]

He is a French citizen. Arrested in France. Charged by a French Court.

[@PeterRudesindus]

@@geothon He is also a Saudi Arab citizen and one other that I don't remember. Citizen ship doesn't mean laws of that country suddenly apply to a business that is stationed in -the USA- another country. lol

[@geothon]

@@PeterRudesindus Telegram's headquarters are not in the USA. Please do your research before posting. His other citizenship is Russian by the way.

[@mensrea1251]

@@PeterRudesindus That’s a minus one trillion IQ take right there. If your business commits a crime in France then the laws of France applies, it doesn’t matter whether the business is Martian.

[@franciscouderq1100]

@@geothonand even otherwise this previous. Commentator is making a fool of himself by posting such idiotic stuff . The Justice system country can arrest who they want if they see it fit during an investigation.

[@sanytee7087]

So what about Facebook, Bingo, Snapchat etc...

[@PADIWON]

Have a look into it.

[@nappybiscuit]

This woman is spot on. You can not just break an to end inscription. Even if you did the encryption would take forever to crack.

[@A3Kr0n]

How long are they going to keep him hostage? That's against the law.

[@jameshealwriter]

The world is turning into the series 'Start up'

[@chriscarrol9373]

This is like let's arrest the head of the phone company for terrorism because someone used a phone to call in a bomb threat. Better yet you sold that pen and paper to a bad person.. your under arrest.

[@raylopez99]

Incomplete analysis. Apparently Telegram does have a backdoor encryption key, something not reported in this soundbite interview.

[@radjalomas8854]

source plz?

[@tibsyy895]

Created right now! 😂 To all alphabet agencies! 😂🤗

[@ehawolczecki8759]

That would make sense .

[@vervetech9395]

Telegram is not like WhatsApp or Meta that allows governments to create a backdoor into apps and read people's private messages.

[@raylopez99]

@@radjalomas8854 Saw it in a reputable YT video recently. I think it was Fireship (a programming channel)

[@vooteimer1234]

I'm personally never going to France

[@ryanthompson1981]

I'm sure all of France is fine with this.

[@sergeybebenin]

Oh no, please!!! Please rethink your decision! France really needs you

[@jdgoesham5381]

Bro it's barely France anymore. 100s of no go zones now. I was there in 2018 and it was unreal. Half the country is like Londonistan. More N and S Africans than French in the cities out walking around and half the cops carry long guns. You don't see that even in the US. They at least have them locked in their cruisers. In France they have them on them always and if not a long gun a sub machine gun. The door man at our hotel gave us a printout of a map of the area in English and it had areas circled in red where not to go. There were over 100 of them just in the area we stayed in. They call them Rouge Zus zones and it has to be really bad for the cops to go in one of them.

[@mariohilaire5595]

and countries in Europe. The same in England and other countries.

[@fredrikbergquist5734]

France is where the rest of EU is headed.

[@georgekung2003utube]

at the outset, the capture is double standard (not dare to X and facebook)

[@ЕвгенийСмирнов-ц5ш]

To enforce security, you need to prohibit communication. And then, letters

[@leavesinautumn5959]

"Refusing to share information with investigators .. for example to combat terrorism" is listed last, but it's obviously the most important to French authorities. Sacrificing privacy for "security" didn't work out well in America (not for ordinary people at least), I doubt it will turn out any better for France.

[@ssir5927]

This has really nothing to do with France, they are just doing the bidding of Empire.

[@web3wizard381]

you can tell its an afterthought. we want you to give the encryption keys.....for erm terrorism cp etc. totally legit reasons!

[@franciscouderq1100]

@@web3wizard381this is what is often not discussed in such interviews while focusing on others uninteresting bits and pieces.

[@user-yr4vp1jk7j]

"security" is just to take away the privacy.....

[@user-ns7xr5fq1i]

America doesn't have any social media platforms that respect privacy. Big brother is always watching

[@faar2faar]

As a non European that travelled around Europe for 2 years without a visa, how will they stop him? In a lot of place there are not even border checks when you leave the EU, and most tourists know about these loop holes.

[@Driziationz]

The question you should ask is why does France want to capture this man eventhough they dont have a valid reason?

[@mute9914]

They want a backdoor into the app​@@Driziationz

[@jacksonhamilton6302]

My guess is they likely have him in an ankle monitor, an app that tracks his phone, and are monitoring his electronic transactions like credit and debit cards and ATM withdrawals. They didn't mention an ankle monitor or a phone tracker but those would seem to be implicit. Furthermore, if he got those off of his ankle and his phone, he would need enough cash to survive indefinitely without access to a bank account.

[@zdravkobelinski4627]

​@@jacksonhamilton6302he cannot run away for sure, france is not some noob country to let him escape. Also they can cooperate with USA to block his accounts very quickly if they needed to

[@branimirsalevic5092]

Anything is possible in totalitarian regimes.

[@vincentschulz9355]

France is a democracy. And they literally let him go. Why make stuff up?

[@branimirsalevic5092]

@@vincentschulz9355 France had no business arresting him in the first place. What is his crime, not wanting to facilitate spying on people? Not censoring speech? Refusing to become a snitch? France let him go, but not as a free man; he is not allowed to leave the country and is under police supervision. Btw, if they can do this kind of chicanery to a man like this, what can they do to you? Who will stand with you when they come for you?

[@ssir5927]

@@vincentschulz9355 lol democracy... the president of France is literally saying he don't give a damn about election results and any of that democracy nonsense

[@deepdiver849]

@@vincentschulz9355you truly believe in the joke of western democracy 😂...

[@ernstschwaig4667]

To set an FSB agent free is insane. This guy should never see light again.

[@Desyo-wn7ib]

I know a very similar story somewhere :) Frédéric Pierucci (born 14 January 1968) is a French business manager and a former senior executive for Alstom, who was accused of willful blindness to corporate corruption by the United States Department of Justice[1] and was arrested and detained in the United States from 2013 to 2014. He is the author of the book The American Trap: My Battle to Expose America’s Secret Economic War Against the Rest of the World, an autobiography that chronicles his experience throughout the legal ordeal.

[@Hoppahoppa1]

If i buy d r u g 's on my Apple smartphone. Cook will also arrested? And the mobile internet provider, the d r u g dealer scooter manufacturer ceo?

[@AA-kj4ic]

how can he possible moderate chats on the app? who will be the judge for that? what chat should be deleted and what should not?

[@aidanclarke6106]

The same as all the other platforms

[@kontobiol3020]

Very good question

[@kisaragi-hiu]

The description of what EFF is is really selling them short. Their stated goal is "defending digital privacy, free speech, and innovation", and is a big part of the reason why the vast majority of websites are encrypted now (they were a big driving force behind Let's Encrypt). This is why they're making the distinction between the encrypted and unencrypted parts of Telegram. Since Telegram decided to make group chats unencrypted, asking them to do responsible moderation wouldn't require breaking encryption and thus can be reasonable.

[@franciscouderq1100]

Why? Then banned the damned thing.

[@franciscouderq1100]

What do you mean you don’t know why he was detained , young lady? Surely more info is needed but still…

[@disorganizedorg]

So far only vague allegations have been made without any suggestion that they even have specific cases in mind, as in "we have identified more than a dozen parties who communicated planning information concerning future terrorist acts". That needn't compromise any investigation and if it later develops there were no such cases, prosecute the liars.

[@rob6052]

If you offer a service that enables the unfettered trade of say, narcotics, copyrighted material, etc..., you are generally liable. Not the actual connected carriers, but the service operator. I don't know that the operators that enable you to call 911 or 999 in an emergency can be weighed on the same scale as encrypted app providers. That said, a company with the footprint they have, ought to have many times more than 30 employees to be comparatively or realistically, responsible. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean that it should. Being of the digital domain does not provide any immunity, however postured.

[@dayronreyes2473]

The problem is that in order to see who is a drug dealer or a perpetrator of any kind, the French government needs to spy on everyone who uses Telegram, and who guarantees that they will not spy on political opponents or pressure Telegram to censor certain news, as the FBI did with Facebook (it asked them to censor negative news about Biden)

[@darshanaiyengar]

France should get to the bottom of the problem and arrest those mathematicians who laid theoretical foundation for encryption /s

[@mikecohen2400]

If the French really have a case why are they not rushing to bring it to trial, they have no case and they know it, this is a case of guilt by no association as there is no association between the CEO of a tech company, and one of the Billion users of the platform, to say that this is government overreach in the extreme would be an understatement.

[@Ms.Merotica]

Durov is detained for not cooperating with French authorities to provide data on criminal activity.

[@user-ns7xr5fq1i]

Oh don't be naive

[@chriscarrol9373]

This is basically like arresting someone in the old days ran a newspaper and had personals or help wanted pages. Most are to Young to realize this was done even in WWII .

[@disguisedgirl]

He can not be jailed by France. He needs to be released like the way American Senator accused TikTok Singaporean CEO as Chinese and bla bla. The accusition is vague.

[@sergiyrospysdiyenko6224]

He can, he is citizen of France and obligated to comply with the law!

[@sergeybebenin]

😂 he's a French citizen.

[@disguisedgirl]

French citizenship does not qualify anything to put vague accusations. Many accusations are not up to the mark of tech platforms

[@ryanthompson1981]

He's literally French, and violating French law.

[@salman_babar]

Yes Macaron should be criminally prosecuted for crimes that happens in his country that he is not aware of.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

If this is an investigation I'm Frida Kahlo! This is pure insanity.

[@80-80.]

I’m agree with all the criticisms but keep in mind, the reason Russia is furious is because they are heavily dependent on this app for communication and use to share sensitive information about Russian military and the regime.

[@Jole30]

That's why Durov fled Russia..Because they like his app..

[@henri372]

​@@Jole30their offices are still there. Seems the "escaping" is just a story.

[@vranigavrani]

That is huge straw man... Ukrainian military uses telegram if not reven more than Russian military. And in both cases they are not using encrypted messages but public unencrypted channels. And that is good, you do not like the content than do not consume it... This site has become so slow and censored to the point its become unusable...

[@Jole30]

@@henri372 But main office is in Dubau not in Russia..Putin even rejected a meeting with Durov in Baku they say..

[@Jole30]

And Durov is in exile from Russia to add..I mean they must love the guy to the extent that they want to jail him..

[@HobbesRochester]

"the site that used to be twitter" love her

[@PhillipBell]

The fartist formerly known as Wince.

[@XKS99]

Tim Cook better never visit France again.

[@sandywang1452]

Same as founder of facebook.

[@sanisidrocr]

Tim has likely given a backdoor to various governments already ... he will be fine

[@OnlyThe1Son]

charging someone for what happens on their platforms.. is like charging presidents of countries for crimes committed in their country!!!

[@sergeybebenin]

No. Just no. It's no different than me owning an apartment block with anonymous rooms and not allowing authorities with a search warrant to enter a certain apartment.

[@hypnokitten6450]

.. or park rangers for crimes committed in the park ... or car manufacturers for drunk drivers .. or the postal office for not reading the letters to discover something bad was in the letters ..

[@prakashbam2329]

If some medicine compy medical product is comparmize who will responsible either ceo or other

[@aliboul]

No, it’s like charging the owners of KZbin for allowing child abuse content on its platform.

[@hafizuddinmohdlowhim8426]

@@sergeybebeninstill you can’t arrest the owner of the apartment. You need to get a warrant from prosecutor to do the search. That’s it.

[@fraginz]

Governments: we want our people to have security. Also government: End-to-end encryption is too much security! It's dangerous!

[@bengaleuiv4036]

So he agree to give data to mosad

[@Hypocritial]

Democracy and rule of law in a "French style"

[@Seromontis]

Privacy is a right.

[@fine2502]

This proves : Telegram is the only true encrypted messaging platform . 😂😂😂😂 nobody is talking about whatsapp as encrypted.

[@fandyllic1975]

Without speaking specifically about French law, much of the analysis about legality is BS and should not be trusted.

[@samanthaw4955]

A bit like your comment 🙄

[@Farmer-kinzang]

Free pavel durov 🙏

[@jessicadubois9945]

Total BS.

[@radasfck]

Smells like pirate bay case #2 😂

[@nebeska_medja]

Complicity in crimes comited by others on his platform :D FREEEDOM OF SPEECH HAHAHHA

[@vincentschulz9355]

Freedom of speech doesn't protect crimes. If someone organizes an assassination, that is not protected speech. Obviously...

[@PeterRudesindus]

Js are mad that they can't censor and control critic about them. That is what this is really about.

[@MushramboMu]

Apparently he wrote this in the past " I always stood up for LGBT-community back in my days in Russia/VK. "

[@cwpv2477]

such a shame for freedom of speech, hope he can leave france soon. Would you sue street makers for making a street people cause accidents on? such a false approach. its a neutral tech. she tried explaining it well, it would just take more then a few minutes.

[@sergeybebenin]

Explain how exactly is "free speech" impacted. Patiently waiting..

[@mariabengtssonviking]

So a billionaire businessman and his company has no oversight of what happens in his company?? Ok, i wonder if he like that when it comes to his economic situation and control 😊😅😅😅

[@vranigavrani]

It really is not his business what i write, he builds a road, and if it happens that some criminals are using it it has nothing to do with him...

[@endianAphones]

"the site that used to be twitter" lol

[@shortstaggered]

Is Telegram a bit like putting a gun on a table between two people who hate each other and closing the eyes so that you are not responsible for what happens next ?

[@vranigavrani]

It is not but nice try, it is more like giving you a toilet so you do not poop in the middle of the street in front of everyone and their grandma.

[@dubsar]

A precedent for another billionaire.

[@ernstschwaig4667]

We had one down and two to go. Why the release?

[@live_free_or_perish]

Time to switch to Signal or WhatsApp. Until they arrest the owners of those apps too...

[@throughput6674]

signal is not secure. or whatsApp or telegram. they all require either an email or telephone number or both. which gives these companies KYC

[@ssir5927]

WhatApp is the most compromised... its owned by the Zuck. If anything this arrest is proof that Telegram is the best

[@GolDRoger-fx2fp]

What about X(Tweeter), Facebook, KZbin, Tiktok and other platform?.

[@chatpapdi]

Don’t see why not….. if he can profit from what happens on his app

[@samanthaw4955]

So by your reckoning a car salesman is responsible for a person who decides to drive drunk and crash head on into oncoming traffic then ha?

[@RamiJarrah-jt1de]

I am someone who appreciates privacy, but we must be realistic. If the government is trying to crack down on terrorist activity that could potentially lead up to a terrorist attack, then any social network have a responsibility to collaborate with authorities to access their communications. To reject such is simply insanity. The matter of authorities abusing this line of cooperation is one that can be prepared with guidelines and rules, but under no circumstances does it make sense that a social network can just ignore requests and leave terrorists to communicate in secret, that is absurd. Telegram's owner should be held accountable for these matters, and any crimes committed on his platform due to his refusal to cooperate become his crimes, its as simple as that.

[@disorganizedorg]

You may appreciate privacy, although from the remainder of your comment apparently in a very different way than I appreciate it. What you don't seen to appreciate is that "a little bit insecure" (which is what would be required to enable the companies to comply) is on par with being "a little bit pregnant". My healthcare information was compromised by a government agency and leaked -- data they were required to treat with great care. I'm supposed to trust them not to leak the backdoor or tools used to exploit it? And now I'm supposed to trust that EVERY national government isn't going to abuse the capability? I'm not that gullible. Even if the tools are held at the company, their mere existence is a security risk. Do we trust that no rogue employee might wreak havoc? Or that a local government won't raid their offices?

[@The0Yapster]

The app is made in a way that makes it impossible to decrypt it even if he wants to

[@RamiJarrah-jt1de]

@@The0Yapster i know what I’m saying is controversial and it should be to enable a sensible thoughtout outcome, but if it is truly the case that under no circumstances can someone access the messages of terrorists, then this service should be either scrapped, or approval for someone to use the service must be diligently investigated , with their data being shared with the authorities. Again i am all about privacy, I really am, I am not happy with the idea of my data being shared, but we are in extraordinary times. So maybe we need to re approach how we perceive the online world, and whether or not it deserves the same amount of privacy as the physical world. If it is is collectively agreed upon that the online world has its privacy limitations, then globally users must be made to understand this, and treat such platforms with caution. It is not ideal, but someone blowing up a building block is certainly not ideal.

[@TommyV8898]

If your government can access your communications, so can every other government on the world. Europe is currently in a cyber war with basically every superpower on the planet. The only solution is total encryption that no one can access.

[@vranigavrani]

@@RamiJarrah-jt1de None can know what terrorist are talking about in their homes too, so shell we crackdown on home construction companies? The heck you can be terrorist as far as we know, you must have had conversation with some in your life behind closed doors.

[@minfhan7972]

Freedom is joke 😂

[@ernstschwaig4667]

If he supports the FSB, as everybody assumes today, this guy should never see light again.

[@mikeStinson-gg2wl]

Who is everybody ?🙄

[@user-ns7xr5fq1i]

He left Russia because Russia wanted the key and went to the democratic world where they put him in prison for not giving them the key 😂

[@user-od1pe2ip2n]

🇫🇷France is a joke😂😂😂

[@grisall]

Can't stand Putin, 110% pro Ukraine. But this sounds bogus to me -

[@riverv2069]

Shouldn't

[@GwynBleys]

What does Putin have to do with any of this? The guy doesnt even live in Russia

[@Incorruptus1]

I am fine with taking social networks down, specially during these frictional intervals among nations today. I never use them to begin with. At least France is taking this responsibility. And yeah sure, people will be mad, going wild and deprived of using it. I don't think keeping them on their addiction is healthy anyway.

[@dayronreyes2473]

Yes, of course, everything you don't use is better to ban it,right?. I don't know if you realize that KZbin is a social network, and you're here commenting.😂😂😂

[@vranigavrani]

You do realize anything can be put in that "social network" box, even youtube...

[@user-ns7xr5fq1i]

French regime at its finest. Bravo! So much for democracy and freedom of speech 🤣

[@sandywang1452]

Ok, we got the point, for some social media application founders, do not leave usa, you are much safer as long as you keep stay in, that's a right location you belonging～ ; )

[@JeroenGeldhof1]

same questions, same responses and same comments by the same people here....

[@Jahzwolf1955]

All the engineers need is the private key for the secure communication it isn't hard they are issuing the key they know it

[@louistan7560]

How widespread is the use of Telegram in the EU? Start the answer with France. Are the EU Commission and EU governments serving EU citizens well? If not, why fear its use?

[@Alex_the_Great_86]

what a weird position, the only responsible officials for any crimes are goverments! we pay our taxes for what?? to lay all the blame on Durov while officials failed to address any sorts of crimes. Such a cringe for France and its impotent and incompetent self-complacent state burocracy

[@aureliusyuan]

Pretentious Face & Deliberate Interruption, this is DW.

[@gregrogers3203]

There are worse places than to be “stuck” in France.

[@dasdadadfdd]

to see if someone is a criminal you need to check everyone or people who are not criminals, that is the problem, no more privacy

[@vranigavrani]

You really do not, you arrest someone when they break the law, and thats about it. Providing service so others can communicated privately is not against the law...

[@dasdadadfdd]

@@vranigavrani how do you expect them to prevent crimes?

[@vranigavrani]

​@@dasdadadfdd Not by perving on my private life. Communicating privately is not a crime. Terrorist activity exist outside of internet too, actually terrorists can use anything so we should forbid everything. So lets idk forbid house building because they might serve as secret hideouts for terrorists. This terrorist excuse has been used all this time to crackdown on peoples privacy and easily control/spy them, it has had nothing to do with security nor prevention of terrorism.

[@jackbolder5734]

Cool that you talked to EFF. Kudos

[@prodijaigaming9871]

Well said

[@The_Shortcast]

5:33 (correction : please read the list from bottom to top )

[@ghostpeper2a165]

Why does Eva so jumpy when she speaks. Like a stresssed out type of jumpy. Don't get me wrong it's adorable. Just wondering if that a norm for her.

[@maxpayne7312]

She could’ve went off script when they (the producers or writers) told her exactly what to say before the segment began or maybe they told her “just say you don’t know why he was arrested, just beat around the bush instead of giving a definite answer”

[@yamabiru4553]

Oh he’s not gonna run…

[@TheBHAitken]

The big question is was Pavel Durov arrested, or did he surrender?