WHAT! Medieval armor worse than wearing nothing?! REPLY to Weird History

A reply and rebuttal of the video, Ways Medieval Armor Was More Dangerous than Wearing Nothing, by the KZbin Channel Weird History.
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[@CruelDwarf]

"Wearing helmet can increase chances of getting a concussion'. They are kinda correct here. It is literally why people in WW1 didn't want to adopt metal helmets. They discovered that units that had metal helmets suffered a lot more head wounds than units that used traditional caps and other headwear. Of course it was soon discovered that the difference was caused by helmet-less units suffering a lot more fatal casualties. So yeah; helmet increases your chances of getting a concussion by reducing the chances of dying on the spot.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

Classic example of statistics abuse.

[@ninjagold9244]

Yup, survivorship bias. Same with planes coming back with bullet holes.

[@Apple_Apporu]

Hmm yes soldier dead means no concussion.

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Brilliantly said

[@a.N.....]

Yea the bombers in ww2 suffered the same type of thinking.

[@Party_Almsivi]

The origins of the word “Cringe” are believed to be from Middle English, around 1175-1225 AD, one example being Crinchen, and originally meant “to fall (in battle)” So to not wear your armor was literally cringe.

[@tiggle5485]

literally dying from cringe

[@mudageki]

You actually won the entire internet. Here. Take it. And go as far as you can, m'Lord.

[@celeridad6972]

Oof this is why i love the net

[@puddingu120]

no armor? cringe

[@Arthurschkil]

Someone please fact check this, if that's true than I have to congratulate your genius

[@hz.kemalpasa2997]

"A helmet could impair your vision." Well, getting stabbed in the face would impair my vision even worse so I think I'll stick with the helmet.

[@TheDennys21]

Hahahahahahahaha yeah and it "restricts head movement, i think i could move my head in a helmet a lot better than if it was detached from my body.

[@drisbain]

@@TheDennys21 I disagree, once detached for the body i think the head has a greatly increased freedom of movement (just it is uncontrollable movement at that point)

[@SirDankington]

"A helmet interferes with my psychic abilities" "Think a bullet might interfere with them more"

[@abelbraulioritenour2300]

Weird history be like: -nobody has the strength to carry a 25 kg armor (5 minutes later) -everybody has the strength and precision to just obliterate a chestplate with a warhammer

[@pwnmeisterage]

I work in a door and window factory. Custom doors and windows can be very heavy. After a few months, everybody there can lift and carry far more than their own bodyweight without great effort, without being fatigued, without even slowing down. And many are "normal guys", not huge and hefty bodybuilders. Functional strength develops naturally when you keep using it.

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

With a Warhammer 40k (Please laugh)

[@abelbraulioritenour2300]

@@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar a Warhammer total war. Duh. In my field a warhammer deals 1d8 + mods not 40k though

[@thewingedone1172]

​@@pwnmeisteragecarrying bodyweight is easy task for anyone active and not obese. "Functional strength" any bodybuilder can do that without breaking a sweat for hours

[@maxvandoorn3799]

My Dive gear weights up to 40-60 kg, depending on what tanks and wether I take stages with me. Now, some of the dive sites I dive at, involve some really long distances walking with your gear on. We sometimes have to even "climb" some really step, bad and old stairs (you know thoses stairs which were carved into a cliff) with the gear. So I could just really laugh at what he said there. Mind you that the things just said are also done by untrained women with a body weight the same as their gear. But a trained Knight isn´t able to carry a 25kg armor which deposes over the whole body and not just on 2 straps on the shoulders??!!

[@NoPantsJohnson]

They say that all European Warfare was based around plate armor, but not a minute later they say that our perception of them wearing armor was really only because of jousting. Switched sides faster than a politician there. Amazing

[@enduringbird]

Yes! I was thinking the same thing

[@davidbock6276]

The Plate Armor used in jousting is much heavier and less flexible than combat plate armor. Combat armor allows for very agile movements. Jousting armor allows almost no movements. The early perceptions of combat armor was fooled by this difference.

[@Chaosmech]

Not to mention they then go on to say that an unarmored opponent would not be tired as quickly. But I thought you just said that all European armies were based on full-plated soldiers! So which is it?

[@Llortnerof]

@@davidbock6276 I bet nobody would ever have tried to actually fight in jousting armour, either if they had a choice. That was protective gear for jousting, not for fighting. People wouldn't go into a fight to the death with boxing gloves, either.

[@TheAnimeAtheist]

@@Chaosmech That's the one I noticed. If everyone is wearing plate, who are these less tired less armored opponenets?

[@onyx3646]

"Knights realized that covering up their armor with cloth prevented it from heating up as much. But now they were wearing armor and cloth, which obviously made it heat up more. So they suffered less heat, but at the cost of suffering more heat." How does this guy manage to contradict himself that often?

[@gabepeterson6414]

It's like saying "You have to cover up in the Sahara to not die from the heat. But as a consequence, you're still hot." Guess it's pointless then lmao.

[@onyx3646]

@@gabepeterson6414 And it's not even as hot as NOT wearing cloth over your armor, so the consequence of the cloth is, in total, still a reduction of heat

[@nathanjora7627]

Being generous he may have meant that covering up that much whilst it reduced the heat was still far from an ideal solution... But that's giving them a lot more credit than they deserve >

[@gabepeterson6414]

@@nathanjora7627 That's indeed what I was talking about. Should've worded it better. That's my bad. Thanks for your generosity!

[@nathanjora7627]

@@gabepeterson6414 Rereading, what you said was quite clear, not sure how I missed it, sorry for the double post ^^"

[@diggoryx]

As an Englishmen, I am offended by your implication that the English Longbow is not the best weapon of all time. In response, I have launched an arrow in the rough direction of Australia. Your doom will be with you shortly.

[@tiestofalljays]

can someone confirm if it has landed yet?

[@thefarter6462]

@@tiestofalljays it hit my dogs ass, i truly hate the english.

[@Just_a_Piano_]

@@tiestofalljays if shad stops uploading we will know

[@m0-m0597]

@@tiestofalljays nah still on its way

[@shinyplatinummetal9614]

I'll wait

[@texmechs5757]

As a retired wound care nurse I can PROMISE you that the one thing that makes wounds worse is not having your head attached to your body anymore

[@gi0nbecell]

I doubt that. While it is utterly correct that your chances of survival decrease significantly with a severed head (that sort of injury tends to be rather lethal, I‘m told), the other wounds themselves don‘t get worse because of a lack of said body part. In fact, they may be less dangerous, as it‘s unlikely for wounds to cause inflammation to a headless. That doesn‘t really help the beheaded, of course. I‘m just clarifying the use of language.

[@keyman245]

@@gi0nbecell yeah, I doubt someone witouth a Head would die from any cranial concussion or brain tumors

[@rc5452]

@@gi0nbecell It seems you are conflating limbs lost in battle to limb ambutation through medical intervention. A limb lost in battle has all the same risks as a wound that doesnt result in amputation, in addition to the fact that person is pretty much guaranteed to bleed out before the wound could be staunched(every appendage has critical arteries that leads to death in minutes if the blood flow isnt stopped immediately). On top of that, if the limb is already severed, its far less likely you could amputate in more controlled circumstances to remove infected tissue, as the infection has less distance to spread before its beyond the point where the remaining limb can be removed.

[@gi0nbecell]

@@rc5452 I would think that with the head severed, there is no risk of infection of other wounds at all, due to a significant lack of life. That‘s the whole point. Other limbs you‘re correct, but the head being a rather vital part, I doubt that any treatment, in the field or somewhere more secure, could possibly save you.

[@bossy1496]

We'll need a source on that

[@kazorikumo9765]

"You could roast alive in the heat" Yeah, that was a common problem back in the day. Fighting a Dragon is tough business, or the mean medieval flame thrower.

[@otakon17]

I mean they DID have stuff like Greek Fire and crude cannons but you'd still be better off with that hitting a SHELL around you than BARE FLESH.

[@irontuzi3453]

Perhaps the writers at Weird History only prepare microwaved meals? This would explain why they feel a person "bakes" so quickly they have no time to react?

[@lyamschuss8786]

@@otakon17 Only problem being that it was too expensive to use agains infantry on a regular basis, which is why it was mainly used in naval battles

[@Exile1a]

Ye 'olde Dreagon's Breathe. The bane of the common Knight.

[@olivermorin3303]

I mean, that is a valid concern if you have to fight in, say, Africa.

[@Giddog40]

The English longbow was actually so powerful that it could pierce through and split atoms mid flight, thus causing destruction only previously possible by dropping pommels

[@sparking023]

Alright, that's some nice concept right there. Is there a name for a mix between cyberpunk and fantasy?

[@andrewshepherd1537]

@ArauJo Jhonatan I think what you are referring to would be called Sci-Fi/Fantasy or Science Fantasy

[@schwarzerritter5724]

The english longbow could destroy anything, except for the japanese katana.

[@imalwaysconfused868]

@@schwarzerritter5724 the new unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, English longbow vs Japanese katana

[@mohammadtausifrafi8277]

The most powerful bows even split quantum strings, the archers tied up rich enemies with string bits.

[@garmrbanalras2579]

I know one indisputable, very specific reason why wearing armour, even modern armour, is worse than just running around naked. Because if your wearing armour, you are more likely to be in combat, which is inherently less safe than running around naked.

[@majungasaurusaaaa]

That's what Blackadder should have done instead of sticking things into his nose to avoid combat.

[@toiletvirusandcoronapaper271]

Unless you're in a briar patch in snake country..... Nature's counter to the naked man

[@aliensasquatch7485]

Genius

[@amafuji]

It's safer to wear a fake armor costume, because you're less likely to die in battle and more likely to get Halloween candy

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Brilliant. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🧠🧠

[@NarasG]

It's crazy how much Weird History discounts the training of a knight. Training generally began around the age of 7 as a page. When you weren't performing tasks for your knight you were learning to fight. These weren't people who decided to start wearing armor in adulthood, they trained most of their life to be the best killing machine they could be.

[@Fleetches]

Exactly, and a lot of people think full plated knights were just slow turtles because of the weight of the armor which is also extremely incorrect, they've been conditioned and trained for years and could hold a full sprint while fully kitted up.

[@wufongtanwufong5579]

@@Fleetches Yes there is an old video somewhere on youtube. Showing some guy dressed in full plated suit of armour running and doing rolls on the ground. It showed him laying on his back and getting to his feet with as much as effort as if he was wearing none.

[@youraveragescotsman7119]

@@Fleetches Being some rando Levy and getting face-to-face with a Knight is probably the most terrifying thing that could possibly occur. Unless you and 10 others dogpile him with daggers, he's gonna have fun absolutely curb-stomping you.

[@mage1439]

@@FleetchesYeah, and as I understand it a full suit of plate armor weighs not a whole lot. I don't know for sure, but it seems like it would be way lighter than mail.

[@TossMySalad69]

@@mage1439 well think of it this way with modern day standard infantry. The body armor plus ammunition and supplies are roughly 25 kg in weight. They're able to function days on end, wether it's training or during operation, with limited sleep and are able to carry another injured soldier. If the modern soldier, with their current equipment, can achieve what they do now, then it's no question what trained soldiers could achieve in medieval periods.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Anyone who could afford armour, wore one in battle. That alone means the benefits far outweight the drawbacks

[@PROVOCATEURSK]

Avoiding heaven and killing god´s children is a drawback for sure ;)

[@executeorder6613]

@@PROVOCATEURSK ???

[@shycoco7808]

@@executeorder6613 I think it's just weird bait.

[@georgethompson1460]

@@PROVOCATEURSK The armour prevents that, swords and spears do that easily though.

[@boredgunner]

Once you wear a good set of armor you'll really understand why (granted common sense gives you enough of an idea). They feel so protective. Especially when you think about how vulnerable you'd be without it.

[@codyeckhardt7274]

You'd think the fact that medieval people designed multiple different weapons, and techniques to specifically try and deal with armor would be a testament to how effective it is.

[@GuitarsRockForever]

You'd think anyone who isn't total idiot would work out if armor didn't work, it wouldn't be used for very long time in the past. When it comes for life and death, people in the past were not stupid.

[@aSipOfHemlocktea]

You think the fact that we can recreate and test this scientifically with relative ease that people wouldn't still be arguing about this

[@lightningpenguin8937]

You'd think that getting hit in the head would hurt a whole lot less with something in the way to block, or soften the blow.

[@Adam_okaay]

@@aSipOfHemlocktea there have been a lot of false and dishonest tests. Guys cleaving through aluminum breastplate with axe or sword.

[@chocoman45]

@@lightningpenguin8937 You'd think that they would have done the minimum amount of thinking and research when doing their video.

[@andrewwalker6204]

I love the idea that "There were weak points in the armor, so you may as well not wear it". As though those weak points didn't exist if you weren't wearing armor. Like, if you're not wearing armor, you can still get stabbed in your joints and eyes, but now you can also get stabbed in your arms, legs, and torso, which are much easier targets to hit and your opponent doesn't have to try to grapple you to the ground to have a chance to hit you there.

[@DanAndHoe]

It's like saying modern armies shouldn't use armored vehicles because the enemy might have rocket launchers. Planes are obsolete because of anti aircraft missiles. Modern infantrymen wear armour that can weigh up to 15kg, yet only protects parts of their torso and head, and it slows them down. Wearing no armour makes it easier for soldiers to dodge bullets. God, it's been a long time since I've seen something as dumb as that Weird History video.

[@alexandrep4913]

There is no weak point if you're an entire weak point.

[@enumaelish8247]

I like how knights were strong enough to cave in armor no problem, but not strong enough to wear it without dying instantly from exhaustion.

[@brunoxd151]

One misconception that always triggers me is when people act like medieval people were stupid. They had brains, guys, they could think and have common sense, they wouldn't insist on doing something that doesn't work, they would look for alternatives if that was the case. They. Had. Brains

[@MrSamulai]

Yeah, people tend to equate education with intelligence. You generally don't make that mistake if you have either.

[@sperottiassociation2714]

This is just fake news invented by the Renaissance men and spreaded by illuminism. MAKE MEDIEVAL PEOPLE SMART AGAIN! THEY HAD FUNCTIONING BRAINS!

[@redandblue1013]

There is a term for this Chronological Snobbery

[@fnors2]

Right. Humans haven't really changed that much in the past few thousand years. People in the medieval period were probably as intelligent on average as anyone in the world right now. The only difference would be education and access to information. Their individual knowledge base was just smaller than ours. I think the issue is that today people tend to equate intelligence with knowledge

[@PeterJavi]

@@fnors2 You can bet that in 300 years, people will look at us and say the same thing that's said about medieval folk.

[@mivapusa]

Shad has managed to make wearing gambeson and brigandine look completely mundane and no more unusual than a hoodie. Honestly I wish they sold gambesons in the mall.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Considering what seem to happen in the world with violent crimes on the raise maybe the will.

[@ntpgmr]

I use mine as a winter coat on top of a lighter jacket. Does wonders.

[@chesterbonaparte6787]

Reminds me of the meme what women think men want, and its a picture of a hot women, then what men really want, and it's a suit of plate mail. I'll take the plate any day XD

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

@@chesterbonaparte6787 What women think men want them to wear: chainmail bikini. What men actually want them to wear: well-tailored, form-complimenting plate armor.

[@ChaoticNeutralMatt]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight you aren't wrong

[@joshuabiehl4792]

I'm actually kinda devistated to learn that armor was only 45-50 lbs. I used to think knights were just hulks that ran and jumped and climbed everywhere in 150 lb. armor.

[@JoeAmerimuttGomez]

Well they were probably pretty fit and muscular. Well fed, too.

[@Griede26]

well another point of consideration is that some armor is fited by size. a small man likely wouldn't wear the exact same size mail shirt as a larger man. and full plate armor had to be fitted to the individual, so a smaller persons armor would weigh a little less by comparison to a larger persons. so an excessively tall man, with broad shoulders and a big chest would have much heavier armor than the average person. not sure if it would get up to 100 pounds though.

[@bazzfromthebackground3696]

if you've ever played football in America honestly armor isn't that hard to move around in. Just a few steps up.

[@DOMDZ90911]

That's roughly the same weight as an olympic bar. Which beginners use to practice squatting.

[@nikmenn2751]

@@Griede26 and then came time of Italian wars, when regular armies trained together fitting soldiers to pre-made cuirasses by the way.

[@neonclear8500]

Todd over at Todd's workshop did a video on shooting through armor. He got someone strong enough to shoot a legitimate Longbow, and then had them shoot at a properly constructed breastplate. Zero penetration. Also, if armor made it easier to die, especially during the hundred years war, all of one side would have realized "wait a minute, the more armor they are wearing, the easier they are to kill. Maybe we should stop wearing it ourselves?' Instead, there was a race to see who could strap the most armor on themselves. This doesn't even pass the common sense test

[@DaCostaRica48]

breast plate?

[@DuckyOctopy]

"Plated armor made a soldier close to invincible" "But wearing nothing was better" We have the receipt, no armor=invincibility

[@Party_Almsivi]

(Excited Sundowner noises)

[@lastfirst5863]

Somebody tell Mando, the dude really needs to know.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

The logic checks out: - Nothing is better than being near-invincible. - Wearing armor is equivalent to being near-invincible. - Therefore, wearing armor is worse than nothing.

[@harbl99]

* vindicated Conan noises * All you need is oiled muscles, then sword and axe blows just slide off you.

[@elbolainas4174]

There's no armor like plot armor

[@martijnvanweele6204]

"While wearing armour, you can only get stabbed in a few very painful places. Therefore it is better to wear no armour at all, so you can get stabbed in all the places, including the less painful ones." Flawless logic.

[@krankarvolund7771]

And of course, you should not wear anything under your armor to prevent these stabings like mail or gambeson :p

[@tbotalpha8133]

Real Men fight bollock naked, slathered in war-paint, after killing a goat in holy ritual to earn the blessings of the gods. You pansies with your "armour" and "sensible tactics" need to get on my level.

[@garethvila5108]

@@tbotalpha8133 Yeah mate, that's what manly men do. Especially the goat part.

[@MrDibara]

@@tbotalpha8133 *_Top 5 reasons why the ancient Celts got their asses beat,_* and even then they used LARGE SHIELDS! XD Even without armor, they still acknowledge *_some_* importance of protection.

[@secularnevrosis]

Why would you want internal bleeding when you can have external bleeding? Or look for your leg in the bushes?

[@zangeh]

As someone who plays a lot of games... someone needs to tell these weird history guys that life isn't a video game. They're suffering from some serious "video game logic" syndrome.

[@florians9949]

That reminded me a few years back when a guy made a video on viking and portraid them as walmart’s raiders that are complelty inept on the battle field with weapons made of scrap. His main source of info was For Honnor.

[@Frendlu]

You don't imagine how many times I told the people about that (also, ancient life wans't a film. They had lives and problems!) I like playing videogames, but I can differenciate about real life and fiction. I read people that still thinking to recover Byzantium (of course, I suppose that most of them, never fought a war, and they didn't suffer about everything that happens in war), or that Romans were a very respectfull society without religions and fanatism, except that the ruins that was left, they were Lares (places in home to pray the gods) and the Emperor was the Pontifus Maximus, the religious leader (and that until the roman Paganism fall). Yep, sure, for the same "thinking", the Vatican City, it's not a Religious State and the Pope it's not Christian😅😅

[@itsawoodchuck4330]

You do realize that they’re referring to Constantinople which was founded by Constantine the great, the first Christian Roman emperor. If your going to insult other for supposedly not knowing history, first you may want to learn history…

[@kecukraftwork1988]

"Longbows were more powerful and had greater range" - Okay, guys, who let the RuneScape player in?

[@ic3olate]

I'd argue this was even worse than video game logic. I can't think of a single game featuring a mechanic that makes you take MORE damage from blunt attacks while wearing armor. That and the "it could LITERALLY cook you alive!" parts are truly baffling.

[@JoTheVeteran]

Meteors can still pierce the ceiling and kill me. My home is useless. I'll sleep in the dirt from now on. At least that way I can move when I see the meteors hurling down at me.

[@DeathBringer769]

Apparently Weird History thinks real life is somehow like Dark Souls where it's better to run around naked to maximize how easy it is to dodge and abuse invincibility frames, lol.

[@maj.peppers3332]

I'm always doing dodge rolls when practicing longsword, I phase right through the blades

[@vivecthepoet36]

which is itself an irrelevant technique on new game+

[@tobsw3802]

Absolutely correct. They seem to be unaware or outright ignoring the fact that in reality fighting naked only provides half as many i-frames as in Dark Souls and thus was not a viable build.

[@Merilirem]

Dark Souls armour was better than nothing thanks primarily to poise. It was only in the following games that it lost its edge. Still they did slowly bring it back around to having its uses. Still this video was really silly.

[@alexanderfaust4192]

The ancient, sacred technique IS extremely powerful though kzbin.info/www/bejne/apikqZZ9oKaMaKs

[@douglasyoung927]

"Helmets make it more likely to get concussion and internal bleeding" this statement is absolutely correct! Without the helmet you're not going to worry about getting concussed and you're definitely not going to be bleeding anymore. Never again will you be subject to these sorts of injuries.

[@RedSky-vf8bf]

Yes, you get it Douglas! Being struck in the head while wearing a helmet is far more likely to result in a concussion and internal bleeding. On the other hand, being struck in the head without a helmet is far more likely to result in EXTERNAL bleeding, a broken neck, or a caved in skull. Nobody understands Weird History. They're correct.... from a certain point of view! Hahaha!

[@brysonoakley1028]

There's a statistics story told about the allies issuing better helmets in WW1. They were surprised at first to see the number of head injuries increase instead of decrease. But then realized that was because people getting shot in the head with the helmets were being injured instead of killed.

[@AlteraLin]

@@brysonoakley1028 The same thing happened for World War 2 US bombers. They found planes constantly returned with damage to certain parts, and realized they should reenforce the parts that were never damaged because planes with damage in those areas don't come back.

[@capnplaidbeard]

Survivorship bias at it’s finest…

[@ronvantende8658]

@@brysonoakley1028 Somewhat true but it had more to do with the helmets of ww1 protecting against debris from artillery fire, gunshots to those helmets were still deadly.

[@nathanredder7325]

Weird History is the perfect politician: Contradicts themselves every sentence? ✅ Takes info out of context? ✅ Flashy exterior, rotten interior? ✅ Easily debunked claims? ✅ Wrong about everything they claim to know? ✅

[@austinchurch8055]

"Wearing armor could make a wound worse." Its the excuse a shocking number of people give to explain why they don't wear steel or composite toe boots. If it hits hard enough to fold the steel into you it would've annihilated your toes anyways!

[@daanwilmer]

Also: "You could get stabbed between the plates" - how is that WORSE than being unarmoured? If I'm not wearing armour, I could get stabbed everywhere I could get stabbed if I were wearing armour, plus all the places where the plate would be in the way!

[@Nobert594]

Wasn't there stuff between the plates too?

[@salmon3669minecraft]

@@Nobert594 yeah, if you were wearing gambeso or chainmail under it. That said it still possible to stab through that if you use something like a stiletto.

[@stc3145]

Like using a car seatbelt is somehow more dangerous than crashing without using it

[@skypaladin9878]

I also like: "lances and arrow can pierce armor" as if being unarmored would somehow improve the match up

[@kelvinferreira3767]

Because without "hundreds of pounds" of armor you could easily dodge, silly! I truly have no idea where these people get their information to get to conclussions like that.

[@PopeCocksmoker]

I'm always a bit tickled at people saying "you can just stab the vulnerable spots!" Well, yes, but I'd rather have a handful of vulnerable spots than a long and varied list, given the option.

[@stoyanb.1668]

Idiots dont have any idea how hard it is to target small areas on a moving person. Especially if he has a shield, good lord, i did some hema spars for fun and everyone hated the dude who got a shield. Virtuality nothing you can do to him one on one.

[@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76]

@@stoyanb.1668 Stick doesn't care. BONK

[@oz_jones]

Also, consider the following: Parry this, you fucking casual

[@AnotherDuck]

It's like saying, "vampires will die if you stake them in the heart," and paint that up as some kind of crippling vulnerability. Yes, but normal people will die if you stake them in the heart or many other places.

[@robertdevito5001]

@@stoyanb.1668 not only are they moving, but consciously protecting the vulnerable spots they have because they know their own vulnerable spots better than you do.

[@Emberheart_]

I can't wait for Weird History's next video: Guns can jam! Throwing shit is easy, so rocks are better than guns! Seriously though, Shad must be getting tired of having to reply to videos such as this one.

[@tobyjohn4682]

Fr💀💀💀

[@Cityfounder]

Metatron is having an equally hard time reacting to these

[@blainehebert7508]

"Expending twice as much energy": The History Channels Deadliest Warrior series covered this on their Jeanne D'Arc (Joan of Arc) episode. A well fitted suit of armor hindered the warrior wearing, it very little, which most knights had their armor tailor made to fit them or when inherited, would have it tailored to fit them. The problem from this came when wearing a suit of armor not made from the wearer. To demonstrate it, they took a World Class gymnast, put her in a suit of full plate made to fit here, and she went through her usual gymnastic routines with very little hinderance. It not only did not bind on here, but when the armor pieces fit annd are attached properly, it was virtually weightless as compared to trying to carry the armor around in your arms. I am a medieval reenactor, who used to fight in heavy armor (Although I made mine out of cuir bouilli [boiled Leather], which works great against the blunted weapons we used). A lot of the newer fighters would immedietly strip out of their armor when the fighting was done, but I quickly learned it was a lot easier to wear my armor back to my camp site and strip there, than stip it at the field, and have to carry it back to my camp site.

[@wampuscat1831]

After being away from medieval reenacting and fighting for some 25 yrs I'm restarting. Taking off armor on the battlefield sounds horrible to do. If it fits well and in decent heath a person should be able to make it back to camp unless there is health concerns. At first I joked about exercising In armor but then found they actually did . I guess I'm going to wear some of it around to get used to weight and make it fit well . I remember army training about every week or so they would load us with another thing to carry. I'm working at getting it all together..

[@Baconenjoyer-zq8yy]

“You could get stabbed in between the plates” that’s like looking at a modern day plate carrier and saying “well they can still shoot you in the arms and legs, so it’s completely pointless.”

[@Gebunator]

Well.. it's easy to stick a blade between plates.. IF the target is immobile, but rarily your foes in a battlefield were immobile and just standing still. It's like having bigger goalkeepers.

[@angbandsbane]

And even if they *are* standing still, if there's chain mail protecting those gaps, I imagine* piercing it would require one to generate quite a bit of force while still maintaining precision. *Admittedly, my only experience with anything even remotely like that is splitting wood with an axe. Not quite the same thing, but I can tell you it is freaking hard to balance power and accuracy.

[@razzamatronic9882]

"You could get stabbed in between the plates." As opposed to getting stabbed literally anywhere if you dont have the plates.

[@judechauhan6715]

"This shield is only useful from the front" or "This tank has gaps to look out of which you can shoot in"

[@ToxicBastard]

Reminds me of the anti-border wall argument of "but they can get around the wall so it's pointless!"

[@petersmythe6462]

"Helmets can cause a concussion" Yes. The difference is that without a helmet, getting hit in the face with a crossbow bolt or an axe does a lot more than give you a concussion.

[@overlorddante]

Concussions are obviously worse than death

[@gamerman782]

A splitting headache

[@chocoman45]

@@overlorddante See you'd only suffer death in very brief period of time, whereas a concussion can last a long while so its worse.

[@davidmunro2077]

@@chocoman45 but death is for ever whereas you will get better from concussion

[@ToxicBastard]

You won't have a concussion, just a cool little air vent for your pineal gland

[@SteelChains]

Some scenarios where wearing armour may be worse than wearing nothing at all; 1. Going for a swim 2. Dancing ballet 3. Doing surgery 4. Receiving surgery 5. Going to court (Not the medieval one)

[@KanaiIle]

Disagree on the last one. What if you were challenged to judicial combat?

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

Working as an electrical lineman...

[@reaperreaper5098]

@@samarnadra Knives are involved in surgery, so obviously both the doctor and patient wear plate armor to protect themselves from the knives.

[@Armored_Muskrat]

Going for a walk in a thunderstorm.

[@kvproductions2581]

As a tank nerd You could make this EXACT same video about tanks, bring up the exact same points, and then go to the same stupid conclusion that "In a war, you'd actually be better off outside a tank than inside"

[@MajesticOak]

Funny though there was a point in time (1950s) where some countries (mainly France and West Germany) thought that armor past defending against autocannon caliber was pointless which led to the Leopard I and AMX-30 tanks. I mean, that phase went away pretty quickly though once armor tech caught up against munitions tech.

[@birdjericho]

@@MajesticOak Yup! It's the reason the development went from leather to chain to plate! All arms development is connected in the same ways, same lessons at different time periods for different contexts. If your enemy can hit you, make armor that makes it hurt less. If you can't defend, find a way to move faster. If you can't move fast enough to dodge in time, make your attacks from farther away than your enemy can. From the longbow to the Patriot missile, it's all the same theory. :D

[@sagqe]

"Wearing a helmet can increase your chances of getting a concussion" This is like when in ww1 people started to get more head injuries after introducing metal helmets to troops. For those that don't get it, the people getting injured used to die.

[@lscibor]

Did someone really say this, lol. Because that's completely insane. Helmets've been protecting from concussion for a long time now, sometimes more, sometimes less efficiently. Someone needs to show him Battle of Nations, or any other heavy contact fighting. No matter what do you think about it's accuracy or whatever, it's certain that without those helmets, dudes' brains would be a pulp after getting hit with a halberd.

[@erickpoorbaugh6728]

Likewise, armor could probably increase your chances of getting a concussion by making you less likely to be killed by stabbing or slashing weapons, and the longer you’re alive and fighting, the more chances you have to be hit with concussive force.

[@strefs7939]

Pretty sure that's a form of Survivorship bias

[@sagqe]

@@strefs7939 Deaths from head injuries went down, head injuries went up.

[@dash4800]

I saw a logic video of a teacher explaining something similar but with planes in ww2. They would analyze the planes to see where they got hit and every plane that came back had like 90% of the damage to the wings. So does that mean the wings are all that get hit? No, obviously, it means that the planes that got hit in the body didn't make it back to base.

[@gustavogarcia8783]

50:30 It is statisticaly true! In the army, head injuries became much more common after the use of helmets Because without a helmet, it wouldn't be an injury, you'd just die!

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

There's the history of the British soldiers in WW1, when they got their caps switched out for steel helmets. And the military leaders first thought, "do our men become reckless because of these helmets?" But NO, it was exactly as you say!

[@FREECIVVIE]

its called survivor's Bias. WW1 Helmets and WW2 Bomber damage are good and well known examples of this effect.

[@brittakriep2938]

In Germany there is an old joke, that for motorcycle riders a knitted winter cap (?)/ Pudelmütze is safer than a motorcycle helmet! A scientist took two warermelons , fiitted one with a motorcycle helmet, the other with a knitted winter cap and threw both melons down from a tower. The helmet broke, but not the melon inside. The knitted cap didn' t break, but the melon inside. So a knitted cap is much more difficult to destroy and must be clearly safer.

[@tarantulathree-one8013]

It's the age old Sherman Tank shit talking. Why were there so many complaints about it? Because you can only shit talk the vehicle if you make it out of the burning wreck, which a lot of Russian and German Tank crews unfortunately did not, hence why the false bias that Shermans are inferior because there are more complaints about it. Source: The Chieftain on M4 Shermans.

[@Llortnerof]

The real mistake is not counting injuries that lead to death.

[@SeiichiroAoki]

Weird History- the physical exertion from wearing armor was too much for anyone at the time Also Weird History- the strength required to cave in armor wasn't all that unusual So... Which is it then??? Where they so weak that the weight of armor alone would tire them out? Or were they so strong armor was like cardboard to them?

[@dominiconeil4693]

In fairness, the two aren't mutually exclusive; gold armor would be extremely heavy, but most people could get through that with a heavy object and enough effort. How heavy a material is and how strong it is aren't necessarily related.

[@SeiichiroAoki]

@@dominiconeil4693 show me a single set of all gold armor worn into combat

[@10THPROPHET]

Also denting any of the plates requires you to input a lot of force behind say a Warhammer, and repeatedly doing that is probably VERY tiring and inefficient as you need to have enough stamina to last through an entire armed conflict

[@dominiconeil4693]

@@SeiichiroAoki It wasn't, because it's heavy and weak (also, would have been difficult to source and outrageously expensive)... which was literally the point I was making; the strength required to lift something and the strength required to break something are not directly proportional.

[@SeiichiroAoki]

@@dominiconeil4693 then your point was not only pedantic but pointless as well as it pretty much had nothing to do with the argument at hand.

[@ginnyjollykidd]

One dies of heat stroke-Shad had it right. Heat exhaustion is when you are dehydrated but the body is still able to cool off by sweating. When you can't cool off because you have nothing left to sweat, your temperature goes up and especially your brain gets hot (and that's dangerous) and you have heat stroke. The white surcoat not only reflects a great deal of sunlight by day, but at night it provides a bit of insulation if you wore it at night in the desert. Besides, if a white garment worn in the desert wasn't effective, then nobody would wear them in the desert.

[@ModernKnight]

I agree with everything you said above Shad, the WH video was, well, being polite, just 'over simplified' at best and plain wrong in places.

[@jeffjeffersonjunior3679]

"Every european army was built around plate armor" and "Plate armor couldn't be used in the battlefield", yeah that's very "over simplified"

[@jackwriter1908]

@@jeffjeffersonjunior3679 and apparantly nearly all fights in europe were in deserts... You know, I live in europe and I wasn't even aware we have so much dessert here. I always thought I would have to go to Egypt and finally see the dessert, but no. I just have to time travel. The fact they would all build their armies around heavy armor. And that the armor is supposed to be more dangerous then wearing nothing at all... The wording is kind of... Stupid.

[@johngojcevic8731]

It’s scary to see corporations start their own history channels. These guys are part of a clickbait corporation

[@crustybomb115]

@@jackwriter1908 as a person who actually lives in the middle east, i can see why saying plate would be problematic... but its not exactly deadly either... could range from minor inconvenience to mildly annoying depending on the amount of relevant travel resources...

[@franzbauer1367]

@@crustybomb115 i've worn plate in the blistering heat before, it's not that bad. The armor is sizzling hot on the surface, but underneath the helmet it was absolutely fine. It's the Gambeson that kill's ya. Like wearing a winter jacket. You sweat like crazy from that. Without decent hydration thst gets dangerous quick.

[@slimetank394]

I love how their video is so illogical you literally can counter it all with "why the hell were they still wearing armor then???". This is life and death situation we're talking about here, if our ancestors were so stupid they literally spent their own money to make themselves die easier on a bloody battlefield, humanity would have already extincted

[@lightningpenguin8937]

It's even in the base principle of nature. If it doesn't work then it's not really used. You don't see sharks in the desert sand for a reason.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

@@lightningpenguin8937 and also why sharks are older than trees

[@josepablobonillajimenez6297]

As we've seen many times, when some historical weapon/artifact doesnt work its appearances are hard to find in records/art/legends, like the "Gunsword" for example, yet medieval art is full of fully armored soldiers, we have historical records of fights while wearing armor, to say that it didnt work or that it was "more dangerous than its worth" its just nonsensical

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

Have....Have you ever actually been on the internet before? I am pretty sure if you gave weird history metal armor, told them to march across the desert they would put it on, and never take it off as they, and I quote (from themselves) "literally baked in it". Just saying. Humanity is kinda an oddity to have survived itself.

[@xenowreborn]

Shad losing his patience throughout this video is...Fun? I've never seen him so mad before...and I understand it this guy is ACTUALLY enraging to watch Seeing people OUTRIGHT ignore even SIMPLE google searches is infuriating

[@loicbosman4739]

Absolutely. There are some EFAP's I can't sit through cause the arguments being critiqued are just too baffling

[@0Dunedain0]

"11 reasons why infantryman is better than a tank"... Same vibe

[@Arch_Twisted]

Unless it's a Bradly. Push up behind it and it randomly explodes.

[@LightningNC]

Actual list of ways that medieval armor was more dangerous than wearing nothing: 1. If you're trying to swim and not drown. 2. If you're trying to be sneaky and not make noise and get caught. 3. Maybe if it's a hot day when you don't actually need the protection and so you're just getting heatstroke. That's pretty much it.

[@erikjohnson5549]

So... Armor can be bad under... Hyper specifically certain situations... I'm never using armor again!!!!!!!

[@shadowraven137]

If the armor is designed for the user, chances are they may have added leather and cloth into the joints to heavily dampen the sounds. So 2 isnt 'always' and issue

[@dryaddyad7757]

The iron also interferes with fairy magic and whatnot.

[@edwinball985]

4. Battles during thunderstorms😎

[@MrStn]

I would like to see the first claim here tested. I think I would be able to swim with 20-25 kilos extra, especially if the weight was evenly distributed.

[@davidminnaar1234]

So if I’m to understand this logic: a welding mask is hard to see through, restricts head movement, can potentially break from use… and therefore is worse than just welding with the naked eye

[@thanoseid2883]

That’s what he’s saying.

[@JonatasAdoM]

Do what the pros do. Remove the mask and weld holding the glass/lenses of the mask instead (wish it was a joke)

[@chreg89]

@@JonatasAdoM oh oh oooooh. The pros use the glas like a monocel.

[@fennecfreind]

@@chreg89 it can help to get tough spots. Preferred using a mirror myself

[@SStarry_Days]

Ah the Freddy Krueger approach

[@WaddleQwacker]

it's funny because that weird history video is a perfect illustration of how a few misplaced details and data here and there can cause a massive failure of History. These little imprecisions can be arguably considered small and minor when looked at individually, but when you cumulate all of them, you end up with incredible conclusions such as "armor is actually more dangerous than having nothing". Personally, whenever someone makes a statement about a historical matter that basically boils down to assuming people are utterly stupid, that's a big red flag.

[@freakdogsflare8638]

I will point out that guns didn’t cause armor to phase out. Armor simply adapted to use different materials. The US infantry wear body armor and a few have been shot at by rifles and survived. They had bruises but if they didn’t wear armor they would be dead. You make great videos, and I look forward to more.

[@eldritchgod4308]

"You could get stabbed between the plates." so, instead of just stabbing me in the chest, my enemy has to take a moment to find a weakspot, the armpit for example, then maneuver himself into a position where he could strike that spot, possible exposing himself, and even when he strikes the armpit, he might simple glance off of the mail there? Absolutely terrible, I don't see any advantage over a simple gambeson.

[@spugelo359]

My prediction for next video: Shields were useless

[@vonathenbrod8498]

@@spugelo359 40 minute video on “why horses were a disadvantage on the battlefield”

[@crimsoncutz8430]

If every spot is equally weak, you have no weak spots. Checkmate armortheists!

[@dragontear1638]

... All the while dealing with the many variables of combat, like trying not to get shanked by a spear from the enemy, or the enemy's many comrades all of whom would be happy to simplify the situation for you. To wit, the humble tree-based cudgel was apparently a sufficient crushing weapon if used properly - and then comes the knife-point conclusion.

[@johnharrison7449]

And then of course, theres the fact that no armor makes it extremely easy to get wounded, even if you survive. Wounds on a battlefield in that era are definitely not a good thing.

[@CiaranFhearghail]

Shad, love you, but you actually did make a mistake. Wearing armor actually did increase the chance of internal bleeding, because any such hit without the armor would simply rip the body open, and therefore the bleeding wouldn't be internal anymore. 😁

[@logiii6854]

All my bleeding is internal. That's where the blood is supposed to be

[@AlvoriaGPM]

You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

[@diamondninja7615]

I said the same thing without reading the comments first, sry

[@MrDibara]

*You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.*

[@ulrichhammerla6838]

Nonsense! A bruise doesn't match the term "internal bleeding". And plate body armor protects you even in the case being run over by a horse. Only sharp weapons make massive external bleeding, armor protects you from severe blunt trauma, too.

[@Thor-Orion]

"Could punch a hole through robocop." I immediately said "citation needed" right before you said "we'd have to test that against robocop." Love you, Shad!

[@sarahtaylor4264]

I recently saw a video from The Welsh Viking about how re-enactment differs from real battle. The injuries people inflicted in war were absolutely brutal, especially if you weren't worth ransom. If your goal is to kill others and hopefully survive yourself there is little room for mercy or finesse. You have a shot you take it. Anything unprotected is a target. Not wearing armor would have been a death wish. Also, people of the past weren't stupid. They understood how to make it functional and tolerable to wear. Not something to do casually, but if it means coming home a little inconvenience is acceptable.

[@DimIsHigh]

Also loving the implication that medieval battles were mostly fought in scorching hot deserts. Ah, yes, the famous desert region of central Europe, land of sands.

[@DimIsHigh]

And yeah, as a motorcyclist I will carefully avoid wearing my helmet or my leathers next time I'm on the road, as they might increase the chance of concussion and internal bleeding

[@thomasvleminckx]

the south of France and Spain do get pretty balmy in the summer

[@Shenaldrac]

England, well known for its lack of rain and cool fog.

[@DJWeapon8]

Ah yes. Scotland is well known for having vast dunes and scorching sand as far as the eye can see.

[@tarrker]

LoL right? I hear this all the time from table top enthusiasts. Like... yeah. If I were to wear everything that I wear when I'm fighting but, in 90 degree weather for several hours, it definitely wouldn't end well for me. So it's a good thing that I don't live in Florida. Also, in sunny, arid climates covering up is how you avoid heat stroke. Not the other way around. Tons of ancient, desert based armies dressed their soldiers in full armor and they did just fine. :)

[@MrDibara]

I love how Shad is not alone in the shock and criticisms, because even the "cameraman" _(or the person speaking off-screen)_ is so *shocked* at what he hears from Weird History's video that he actually joins on the conversation with our guy! AND HE'S GOT GREAT POINTS TOO! XD

[@piotreljasiak5824]

Yes, Oz (person off-screen) is also great guy. There is much more of him on Shad's second channel Knights Watch.

[@SonofIiberty]

Oz is the best

[@miqvPL]

he's name is Oz. And he is fat. Very cool dude though. He would be featured more on main channel if he could fit the frame more often

[@celticperspective5183]

@@miqvPL lol

[@SonofIiberty]

@@miqvPL lmao

[@Andrewbert109]

Oh also I'm sure you guys have already but if not check out Arrows vs Armor (and the even more amazing sequel) on Tod's Workshop. It does an excellent job of showing how a breast plate or full suit of armor would have stood up to English longbows. Turns out the shape of the helmet and breastplates were crucial because they couldn't get a single arrow through them, in fact in both videos, only a single arrow managed to land a penetrating shot and it was on the arm.

[@vs_v0ld092]

This is somehow the funniest thing I've seen in YEARS. Here I was thinking comedy was dead. Consider me a brand new subscriber. There needs to be more people like you on the platform that don't regale history as some "Strange thing". The fellows you are speaking of are obviously making some of this absolute shite up off of the top of their heads. I think asking a group of age 10 children would have yielded similar results if not better.

[@Frendlu]

I think that part of the problem it's watching their lives as a spectacle, not as a guy how lives there, how needs to find any solutions to his problems, or trying to find an answer that wasn't possible that time (like explain why rain to a citizen from Medieval era). Thats a problem that I see a lot with people how are beggining with history (childs or adults), and is not trying to put himself in their boots. Most of the problems, are easily explain if you use your brain. But of course, it's easier to eat the junk food from Hollywood and people how lived centurys later....

[@SakuragiSayo]

If you haven't already, watch Shad's Skyrim Weapons Exposed video.

[@CroveauxdelaFeatherette]

The whole "wearing armor could increase your chances of a concussion" is actually something the british noticed during WW1: after equipping the soldiers with helmets, they noticed a significant rise in the amount of soldiers that were hospitalized. This wasn't because the helmets were bad - instead, the people who were now getting only hospitalized would have instead ended up *dead*.

[@18947ful]

Survivor's Bias. Same for airplane damage profiles .. i think that was the British as well.

[@CroveauxdelaFeatherette]

@@18947ful If I remember correctly it might have been americans.

[@18947ful]

@@CroveauxdelaFeatherette could be. I am not sure :)

[@julietfischer5056]

The same thing's happening even now. Combine that with advances in medicine and surgery, and people survive who would otherwise have died. That's why traumatic brain injuries are so common.

[@thepuffin4050]

As soon as I saw Weird History's video, I thought: "Shad is for sure going to have a field day with this." Lol

[@circuitbreaker7765]

Same XD

[@AceDan-gc9po]

Has wired history heard of turbans? Pondered why people in the desert cover as much up as possible

[@supremeduckissupremetheduc9896]

Same! I saw the thumbnail and was like, "oh, oh no" lol

[@pempotfoy6206]

That channel is cringe for history enjoyers

[@fallonfireblade4404]

Same here, I'm subbed to them and I was thinking to myself "PLEASE let Shad destroy them for this video"

[@presofcamelot]

I havent even watched the video yet, and right off the bat I'm saying: "I trust a layer of steel or iron to stop a sword far more than I trust my flesh to stop a sword."

[@EquilibriumX220]

Just found your channel, so glad I did. Love the content that I've seen in this video and the other one I just watched, can't wait to watch more! Thanks for the amazing content!

[@MarschelArts]

Another thing to add to " just hit the weakspot in the armor ": Theres still the dude inside the armor, who's actively trying to kill you, that you'll have to get around first. I'ts not like he's gonna wait for you to stab him

[@Quandry1]

The whole movie just needs a great big "lacking context" warning across the whole thing. Because they've removed all context to make their claims on just about everything.

[@Likexner]

Wait, Assassins Creed is not real?

[@georgeprchal3924]

Also a gambeson.

[@pretzelbomb6105]

“All modern armies are built around the armored vehicle, but being inside of these metal boxes is more dangerous than fighting on the outside. While they do provide increased protection from the front, the enemy needs only to shoot you from behind to nullify that protection.”

[@Quandry1]

@@pretzelbomb6105 Shooting from Behind is not true for all armored Vehicles. Though it was a notable weakspot in many tanks. Your also using the same incorrect fallacy that Shad was debunking. Your stripping away context and critical thinking to say it was more deadly to ride in such a vehicle. But the reality is that it is far safer most of the time and actually takes particular kinds of threats to penetrate many of them. Which means your far less likely to suffer injury than you are outside of the vehicle.

[@panqueque445]

"A hammer strike could bend the plate enough to break bones" Yeah, and imagine what that hammer strike would've done WITHOUT the plate. Getting shot while wearing body armor hurts. It can send you to the ground and leave bruising. Guess what happens if you don't wear it?

[@Kav82a]

The plate can also glance the blow reducing the force of impact which is better than taking direct hit

[@zterrans]

The bullet bounces off harmlessly, right?

[@timsellers4946]

@@zterrans depends on the angle of the shot vs the armor, the range and which the firearm is discharged, the size of the firearm itself (pistol vs musket), etc. It could, but I wouldn’t want to bet my life on it

[@panqueque445]

@@zterrans Yeah obviously. It's common knowledge that armor is worse than no armor, after all.

[@jacobitewiseman3696]

It's not like power rangers were they make regular weapons not work.

[@laser8389]

23:53 it also depends on the weight distribution and fattening methods. It’s a lot easier to carry 100 lb distributed between your shoulders and waist than held out in front of you. Edit: I picked 100 lb as a general and exaggerated weight, then they said it, then Shad also talks about distribution.

[@taliafrost4657]

"I love the longbow, but I want to understand the things I love..." Words of wisdom!

[@Riflery]

These response videos are definitely necessary to avoid further misinformation in the medieval community, and I appreciate them greatly. 👍

[@SonsOfLorgar]

I often wish there was a fact check algorithm that prevented upload of videos with P.R.A.T.T. (point refuted a thousand times) desinformation unless they were provided with a disclaimer watermark all over the vid...

[@Broockle]

Medieval community? 🙃

[@fallencrusader2975]

@@SonsOfLorgar NOPE! Its a good idea but such a system would be biased and can be abused as a system for censorship. The fact check would be a tool to censor any video that does not support YT's political motives...

[@MrDibara]

@@fallencrusader2975 Agreed. As much as we sometimes feel like it, implementing something like that in practice would be a very bad idea.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@SonsOfLorgar We used to be able to see the thumbs-down vote count...

[@peterbarlow5709]

Now to be fair Shad, the half helmet seen in the last duel was actually invented to address a very specific issue with traditional helmets - in a traditional helmet it’s much harder to see that Matt Damon is wearing it, and so by simply removing a large portion of the face guard it’s much easier for everyone to see that it is, indeed, Matt Damon.

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

Maaaaatt DaEmOn ! *Gets stabbed in the eye*

[@michaelsandy2869]

Wouldn't that also likely result in removing a large portion of the face? The bloody remains wouldn't be recognizably Matt Damon. ;)

[@johanmetreus1268]

The infamous Judge "Sly" Dredd syndrome...

[@stillwellstillhere1374]

You had me in the first half 🤣

[@Svoorhout85]

Same with clinches in sword fights. Its an easy way to put Matt Damon and his adversaries faces in frame and have them exchange a few words for extra drama.

[@JuilySlay]

This makes me realize how many people post videos/social media posts without spending 2 seconds to think about it first

[@donc7664]

I think the point they meant to actually make is that, sometimes your DEX bonus is so high, you are in fact better off, without armor.

[@andreas_rr]

Fun fact: armour increases the pain caused by many blows, because dead people wouldn't feel the pain anymore

[@austincummins7712]

It also increases the chances of exhaustion on the battlefield... because you will live long enough to _get_ exhausted 😁

[@andreas_rr]

@@austincummins7712 dont forget that you are more likely to die in close combat in armour, as you'd get taken out by arrows more easily when not wearing any

[@arthurpendragon8192]

always remember you are more likely to see a meme of yourself if you wear armor as you are more likely to survive to see the meme.

[@andreas_rr]

@@arthurpendragon8192 although it's more likely to become a meme if you dont survive something 😂😂

[@cellulanus]

I'm reminded of that episode of Mythbusters where there was a myth that steel toed shoes could cut off your toes and be worse then not wearing them. If I remember right they found that not only did it not work, any blow strong enough to cave in the steel will destroy your foot anyways.

[@emberfist8347]

Yep Mythbusters tends with some myths the level of force needed to make that possible would at the minimum be lethal. Like knocking your socks off. The level of force they used to actually do that was enough to send shockwaves that damaged a nearby town.

[@na3044]

What, the device designed for protecting feet actually protects feet?

[@9308323]

​@@na3044 Right? Like they're saying that steel, of all things, is a stronger material than mostly skin and fragmented bones! What a load of bull.

[@yocapo32]

Hell, I actually thought of that as a kid, but then I said to myself "But wait, if it's heavy enough to flatten the steel, then it would crush your foot anyhow", which probably says a lot when a 9 year old could figure that out.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@yocapo32 many of the people who perpetuated the myth aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the shed(I have even run into a couple of people who still do)

[@ThatDarnTurtle]

thank you for the information, very entertaining and I learned alot!

[@theguywhosnothere]

shad i would absolutely love to tell you that you were right, while i didnt see that original video, seeing this response taught me about some misconceptions that i already had anyway, i genuinely always thought spldiers marched in their full kit becuase honestly i thought it would have been a big job to get it on, its always depicted in movies as taking multiple men and a whole big scene for someone to don their battlefield armour and i guess i just never questioned it! i love your content and thank you for teaching us :)

[@brunozeigerts6379]

Re: the heat problem. Tanks fighting in the desert were like ovens. You could actually fry eggs on the fenders. Funny... none of the tankers seem to have been inclined to abandon them(while still operational) to fight on foot.

[@curtisshaw1370]

Heat can be a problem. Look at the Battle of Sempach. Despite the legend of Arnold von Winkelried, many modern historians believe the turning point in the battle came from the exhaustion of the knights after fighting all day in the heat in heavy armor against their relatively unarmored Swiss opponents. The take away, though, isn't that armor is bad. It is that equipment that has evolved to be used in one circumstance-fighting on horseback-doesn't always make the best transition when used in another. The knights also cut the tips off their poulaines because they weren't suited for walking.

[@emberfist8347]

Because most tanks were actually designed to deal with that issue and if not the military always finds a good compromise similar to the surcoats mentioned in the video. The US M1128 MGS for example didn't have air conditioning when first built and was sent to Afganistan so they issued cooling vests to the crew until they could fit A/C to the vehicles.

[@als3022]

Why access to a water source was so important in those regions. battle of Hattin wonderful example when you lack that.

[@senditu3073]

funny thing, i was a navy navigator in the speed armada (? i think thats the word) from germany, i had a tour in djibouti. that is 20 years ago and we fried eggs on top of the ship down there. yeah not the same thing like a tank in ww2, because we actualy have an ac, but just to confirm this. that stuff gets realy hot in the sun, but even without the ac, you would sweat some more, but its not like you would die inside the ship. or how do they think medieval sailors worked in the ship in this heat?

[@emberfist8347]

@@senditu3073 Well those ships were made of wood so the issue was the wood sweltering.

[@onyx3646]

"All armies were based around knights in full plate armor by the 15th century" "We associate knights with armor because of specialized jousting armor used in the 16th century" ..... wha.... what? So all armies consisted almost entirely of fully armored knights in the 15th century, but also fully armored knights weren't all that common, and only to be found in 16th century jousting?

[@kubaGR8]

15th century is around the time where armies began shifting away from relying on knights so much and towards professional commoner soldiers, mostly paid mercenaries.

[@roadent217]

To be fair, "based around" is a separate concept from "consisted almost entirely of". WW2 Nazi Blitzkrieg tactics were "based around" armoured spearheads, led by mobile tanks and half-tracks - but the majority of the Wehrmacht were still infantry, artillery, unarmored trucks and horse-drawn carriages.

[@kubaGR8]

@@roadent217 That wasn't a nitpick at you, btw, you are entirely correct. Especially as we head towards the 15th century, we see an increasing prevalence of the so-called "men-at-arms"; soldiers who fought mounted, in armor and with weapons befitting a knight, yet who weren't nobles, as the economic growth allowed non-nobles to amass enough wealth to properly outfit themselves for war.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

There is one spot where armor is worse than no armor, which is why professional Light Infantry existed. Armor can hinder certain combat styles, it can also leave you at a massive disadvantage in certain terrains. An example: the Irish rarely used any armor at all, with their heaviest troops using mail. Why? You try fighting in a boggy Forrest wearing full plate. Or try fighting your way up a large hill in the highlands. Or try fighting in a desert wearing steel plate. So there are a select few places where no armor has enough advantages that it may be better off.

[@alcole-holic8779]

That’s a valid point, but on that note they’re saying specifically the medieval period and that no armor was better in *all* circumstances

[@huntclanhunt9697]

@@alcole-holic8779 True. I'm just pointing out the grain of truth buried inside the lie is all. There are a select few scenarios where armor is detrimental. Or at least, some types of armor.

[@sorryifoldcomment8596]

This has become one of my comfort videos, lost count of how many times I've already watched it. It's hilarious! 😆

[@Silungar]

I love how Shad is just taking periodic psychic damage during every single sentence they say

[@Passolargo_Junior]

And I was suffering with the splash damage. Man, the Weird History channel made a big "ooff" this time...

[@azeemsyed8550]

Is the video possibly to troll or something?

[@Altom941]

In other words the original video causes Shad EMOTIONAL DAMAGE! :-)

[@matohibiki]

@@Passolargo_Junior This is why you need to remember to cast Mind Blank before you watch Shad's debunking videos, so you're protected from mind-affecting effects. Poor Shad forgot that step.

[@Passolargo_Junior]

@@matohibiki Indeed.

[@themorebeer3072]

"Heavy armor caused more problems than it solved on the battlefield." It's heavy, expensive, restricts your vision and movement, makes you sweat more, makes you tired faster. At least 6 problems. You don't die. Only 1 problem solved. Yep, causes more problems than it solved. Logic checks out.

[@theblackbaron4119]

If you're dead you cannot sweat so problem solved indeed :P Therefore not wearing armour is better than any deodorant.

[@Likexner]

Eh, quantifying pros and cons is always wonky. It depends on how you formulate things. You can say "you dont die" and thats one pro. You can also say "you wont get stabbed, you wont get slashed, you wont get bludgeoned, you wont get shot" and you can count that as four pros.

[@brunoactis1104]

It doesn't really restrict you that much, and it's not actually that heavy, so even then i would count out 2 of those.

[@pymarathon]

So THAT's why the US military stopped issuing tac vests and helmets to its soldiers seeing as those things weigh almost the same and are for the most part less effective against contemporary weapons than plate was in its day...

[@lassesipila6418]

@@theblackbaron4119 Although, as the name deODORant shows, the winner would be the less smelly option, in which case the sweaty guy in armor has one over the fellow who's putrefying free in the wind, not to mention if the armored guy also wears deodorant.

[@SakuragiSayo]

By that statement for their title video, the following will be true. So, since they use lots of "could happen" then that means, "since any living thing could die at any moment by any sort of means, it is better for there to be no living things". If nothing is alive, nothing can die. That is basically what Weird History is saying. "Because X COULD happen, Y is better" hence my comparison. Edit: Never seen Shad that upset before.

[@raijuko]

Thank you, papa Shad, for being the one place us curious folk can come to for actual facts, knowledge, and corrections on anything and everything. Please, keep correcting these people, the masses need to know this important history

[@SonofSethoitae]

I like that he thinks knights being cooked alive in their armour was so prevalent that it invalidates the wearing of plate, but doesn't stop to think that if that were true the crusades would have been a week long.

[@dash4800]

That can really apply to lots of things people in the past did. Modern people look at everything and go, thats so dumb why would they do something that will get them killed, as if everyone in history was just a moron who would blindly walk off a cliff with no regard for their lives. They literally put 0 seconds of critical thought into it. Their first and last reaction is " they're so dumb", and they never spend a single thought on the subject again.

[@dylanschmeichel2008]

@@dash4800 right, not to mention any of these people teleported to back then would probably die in minutes due to the conditions of which they’d be subjected.

[@aragorn1780]

In any case, the Europeans weren't the only ones wearing metal armor in the crusades... the Turks they were fighting also wore metal armor They likely stayed cool by having cloth layers underneath that they'd sweat in and that sweat drenched clothing kept them cool under the armor (it's actually a legitimate way Arab Bedouins stay cool when they're traveling the open desert, wearing extra clothing and letting their own sweat keep them cooled 😉)

[@zanbarlee6190]

Ya know, this reminds me about Abraham Wald's discovery involving airplane design back in WWII. See, when airplanes returned from battle, they were, of course, examined. Engineers and mathematicians noticed an increased percentage of bullet holes in certain parts of the planes, particularly in the fuselage, and had the brilliant idea that concentrating armor on those spots would allow for greater efficiency in airplane design while simultaneously providing more protection. Of course, you would want to protect from the most damage possible with the smallest amount of expended material, but Wald realized what Weird History seemed to miss: the bullet holes on the returning planes were indicative of survivable damage, not the kind of damage they should be devoting their material to preventing. A plane sporting a fatal injury would obviously not be coming back, so the armor should go where the surviving planes WEREN'T hit, not where the bullets could make contact while still resulting in an operable aircraft. Yes, of course, people in armor probably suffered far more head injuries than the unarmored solider, and they suffered far more wounds caused by the caving of armor too, but that is because the ones who didn't have the armor didn't live to complain about it. What seemingly looks like a largely negative thing on the surface is revealed to be highly advantageous by considering the bigger picture.

[@NixPanicus]

When soldiers were issued metal helmets in WW1 reports of head injuries skyrocketed. Not because the helmets made injuries worse, but because soldiers were surviving otherwise fatal head injuries. Deaths were being converted to injuries.

[@Jonathan-hd3hg]

Also why there were a massive number of amputees out of Vietnam. Before, they would have all just been dead.

[@kakarotandbrolly]

I was thinking the exact same thing and was about to comment this myself, especially that last bit.

[@dopedfurry2010]

Intelligently explaining a moronic argument. We need more people like you in this world my friend.

[@Lechuga1815]

for those curious, the phenomenon is called "Survivorship Bias".

[@KubeSquared]

This is like that anecdote about the planes during WW2 that came back riddled with holes, but the engineers, being COMPETENT, chose to reinforce the places with no bullet holes, since it meant that the planes who got hit there were far more likely to not be able to return.

[@thatguyoverthere2288]

This is one of those things I never heard or thought of, but now that I hear it I hear the pure genius of it!

[@MeanBeanComedy]

"I crashed my motorcycle and got a headache and bruises. My helmet didn't do shit!!"

[@voganimperium9975]

Shad's not mad, he's just disappointed.

[@harriettedaisy2233]

Oh he’s mad….. as hatter.

[@ericv00]

Dadiversity

[@fusionspace175]

It's a well known fact that the average medieval knight had an intellect near that of a sheep. Not only would they commonly bake in their armor, but if it rained, many would drown simply by the act of looking up, and not knowing to put their heads back down.

[@nickryan3417]

This is proven by just looking around you. How many medieval knights can you see? None? There, proof.

[@fusionspace175]

@@nickryan3417 I just saw a video that said the Battle of Agincourt actually ended when all the knights just ran off a cliff together. It was witnessed and recorded by the only survivor, Sir Walter Lemming.

[@arcadeinvader8086]

And if a knight ever fell over, the armor would be too heavy for them to get back up so they'd just starve

[@nickryan3417]

@@arcadeinvader8086 Don't be silly, that's why knights had squires. These proto-knight squires would bring their knight food and drink whilst diligently waiting for their knight's armour to rust and fall off and then their knight could escape their armour based prison. A fool proof contingency plan ruined by armourers' move towards steel and rust proofing. It was a conspiracy I tell ya, and that's another reason why there are almost no knights in armour left these days. Which is total and utter proof of this theory.

[@arcadeinvader8086]

@@nickryan3417 In theory, maybe, in practice the knights would accidentally ingest almost as much flaked rust as food and end up poisoning themselves, which is why you rarely see them wearing their armor while eating. So while using squires to keep them alive did work sometimes falling over still did usually lead to the death of the knight. The rust proofing was actually just a by-product of trying to make the armor taste terrible so the idiot knights would stop swallowing pieces by accident. It was unsuccessful, but did lead to better metallurgy practices.

[@bleachissweet1]

I work in drywall delivery. We work from usually 7 to 5 , but I have worked from 5 : 30 to 9 more than once. On a regular day we move about 60,000 lbs and hand move every piece at least once maybe more. We usually have carts to roll the sheets on, and a boom on the truck to get it to the door. However, there are days where we carry the whole house off the truck, upstairs and downstairs included. What we carry can weigh anywhere between 50 lbs to 250 lbs. Im pretty sure the knights could handle 40 lbs of armor and whatever else they had attached to it. It usually takes a month for a normal out of shape individual to get used to my job. If I had been doing it since I was 7 I wouldn't even question if it was possible.

[@surrealengineering7884]

Imagine thinking medieval people were so stupid they would do things that were detremental to them, but would still do it because they were just *thaat* stupid. Incredible xD Thanks for the video Shad, i know this cooks your blood but i'm glad you go through this so we may learn to know better :D

[@Arch_Twisted]

People are going to be saying that about us in 100 years. Only they'll be right.

[@timkang811]

As a (modern) soldier, I can confirm that those who don't believe that a person could wear a 50lb suit of armor and still be effective in combat grossly underestimate the physical capabilities of the average human body. There were many times we received new soldiers who did no athletic activities at all before joining the Army, were below average in all areas of physical fitness, and somehow just barely scraped through basic training. In most of those cases, within about a year or so of regular physical fitness training, those same soldiers were able to run around in full combat equipment, sometimes weighing up to 100lb/45kg (body armor, rucksack, ammunition, food/water, etc.), like the rest of us. This makes me very certain that a medieval European knight, trained from childhood to be physically fit for combat, would be perfectly capable of fighting in armor. Also, I can't tell you how many times we would have LOVED to have all that weight evenly distributed across our bodies like a suit of armor.

[@chago4202000]

I weighed myself before going on patrol one time. I was about 240. Then I put on all my armor, weapons, and equipment. I was about 310. You get so used to it though, the weight feels normal, almost comforting.

[@koreancowboy42]

The thing is back in those days the armor is made to be distributed as your not carrying the supplies you need it's the horse or caravan transport

[@kevinmurphy65]

Yep, Im not a big guy, but when I joined the Army, I was amazed that many of the smaller guys (5"7' ish) and 150lbs on average had more endurance and could carry just as much weight as the bigger guys. I also always pointed out...I was a smaller target.

[@michaelmatthiesen8300]

People with that belief have also never had a well engineered pack. Their experience is solely with floppy, loose school bags. Pulling weight closer to ones center of gravity makes things much easier to carry.

[@kekekeke2200]

I've seen clips of a probably 120-130 pound tall but super skinny and half starved Syrian soldier wearing maybe 60 pounds of gear and carrying a rifle, if a person can carry half their bodyweight while being malnourished then anyone saying a well exercising soldier can't possibly carry all that all the time they don't understand anything about anything

[@GreyWolfMartin]

I was working as a volunteer at a small zoo once, along with a zookeeper student. At one point we had some logs that needed cutting, so he went and got a chainsaw while I looked for safety equipment for him. There was no helmet and visor to be found, but I found a pair of earmuffs and safety glasses. When I brought it to him he refused the glasses, stating it was inadequate protection. But surely lesser protection was better than none right? Nope, he brought up the argument that if something hit those glasse hard enough to penetrate, then it would actually accelerate upon impact and cause even more damage. And of course he knew better because he'd had a 2 day chainsaw crash course. Back when I then became a professional lumberjack, I really wished I would have saved his number so I could call him and tell him how full of shite he was.

[@patrickkenyon2326]

Yeah, because when ANY projectile hits an obstacle, it accelerates...

[@zappodude7591]

Regular glasses can shatter with a strong impact, which isn't fun, but safety glasses are entirely designed to not do that.

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

@@patrickkenyon2326 Some people are destined for Darwin Awards.

[@Nerobyrne]

Yes I'm sure the designers of SAFETY glasses didn't think of that ^^

[@jonservo]

Accelerate upon impact? Someone needs to tell those wood chips to stop defying the laws of physics lol

[@Brianroadtofaith]

Love your videos Shad. I started HEMA because your content. Have you ever done a video on the knights Templar. Thank you again.

[@sanyihegedu]

Wearing nothing only ALWAYS BETTER then a full suit of plate armour when: ■Swimming a moat ■Swimming a river ■Lost in the Sahara Desert on a summer's day ■Fighting at the equator

[@mauricesteel4995]

""Using Armor increases the risk of concussions" that reminds me of a scene in a parody movie where the villain pulls throwing blades and states: "These blades are made of Titanium, they could cut through diamonds!" to the hero response: "I am not carrying any diamond!"

[@Predator20357]

Actually the quote was "Titanium Blades! They cut through diamonds!" Hero gasps before acting smug "I'm not wearing any diamonds! Villain looks at him like he wonders how smart he is before throwing the blades which stabs into the dude instantly.

[@starhammer5247]

Dragonfly with Stephen Hawking.

[@businessproyects2615]

Titanium doesn't cut diamond, breaks it.

[@Predator20357]

@@businessproyects2615 it's based on a movie quote

[@lowkeyarki7091]

@@Predator20357 which was a superhero parody of spiderman, had a good laugh with that one but some of the jokes did feel a bit force

[@warvillage2946]

It's amazing that they decided that the solution to "armor has weak spots to aim for" is to wear no armor so every spot is a weak spot

[@dragonfire72]

If your entire body is a weak spot, your opponent can’t choose one weak spot to target Modern problems require modern solutions

[@briansmith303]

@@dragonfire72 and modern solutions obviously require modern "intelligence" to come up with them. You can tell that medieval people were too stupid to come up with such clever ideas because they're all dead now.

[@farbsworth526]

@@briansmith303 exactly I mean it's obvious that the armor shortened their lifespan by a serious amount. I knew this one guy that was 200 years old, and I saw him put an iron chest plate and he turned to *ash* instantly man.

[@MyNameIsNotPa]

Hilariously the full statement (which Shad skipped over) was that because you would get stabbed in those weak spots, you would “suffer a more painful death” by being stabbed in the eye, groin(?) etc than just being sliced up with no armor. What? I feel like in a combat scenario you’re more concerned about not dying than how painful your death would hypothetically be.

[@ozoahameg3582]

you have to understand the point if every part is equally weak then there is no weakspot LOL

[@TheDported]

What I learned from this video was that medieval knights were basically vampires because the sun was their greatest enemy and they couldn't be bothered to drink water when it got hot out. Thank you Weird History.

[@Wastelessplague]

watching this video for the second time and just noticed the Patrick ruthfuss books in the background love them still holding out hope for the third book

[@RobMWarren]

got flashbacks of people telling me, they refused to wear steel-toed boots because if they were crushed, they would lose their toes. not taking in mind, the weight needed to crush the boots, would cut thru normal boots as well as the person's foot.

[@frantisekvrana3902]

I'd rather have 1/1000 chance of my toes being cut off, than a 1/100 chance of my foot being crushed.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

I dropped stuff on my toes often enough with and without protection to know the difference.

[@rigrmortis3393]

I had a several hundred pound pallet lowered onto my foot by a forklift driver. This would have, at the very least, broken a couple of toes. I didn't even notice until I tried to walk away and couldn't lift my foot. Needless to say I love my steel toes and wear them a lot for just about any type of work. So even before I watched the Mythbusters obliterate this myth I was already sold on steel toes.

[@gabrielellis3334]

The way Shad is calling them out on their bs is absolutely hilarious to watch

[@edelbrock443]

From my experience, wearing no armor gives more invincibility frames.

[@Bluuders]

Statement at 36:35 Against plate armor, yes arrow rains did not penetrate the armors as well as arrows shot straight at them from closer distance. But if the soldiers wore nothing.... Yeah, they'd get turned into swiss cheese.