What MSF Doesn't teach - The best way to get up and rolling for the first time and avoid stalling

[@Yamaha_Alpaca]

This is the main reason I failed the MSF on my first try. The way they taught it made it sound like you had to get going using only the clutch, and once you got going for awhile using only the friction zone could you then apply the throttle. Once I realized you could use clutch and throttle at the same time it was smooth sailing. Hopefully this vid helps people before they take the class, definitely would’ve helped me. Also, sweet gloves!

[@povo844]

THIS!!! I was doing the same thing, using only the clutch to get going. But you gotta give it JUST a little throttle while getting the clutch to friction zone, and slowly increasing the throttle and releasing the clutch. 😊

[@RideLikeAChamp]

MSF also failed many riders after allowing them to ride on the road by not teaching front braking and throttle control skills

[@slipknnnot]

@@RideLikeAChampthe MSF literally tells you to practice first before going on the road. The endorsement is not a license to go on the road that’s your responsibility to get your skills up enough to ride. The first time in my life I was on a motorcycle was in my MSF course and I passed it with a perfect score.

[@slaytanic921]

@@slipknnnotI took the MSF basic course in 2012 and didn’t have my first real ride til last July on the 60 mile ride home from buying my bike. Awesome course, but after that long I of course looked up some refresher material.

[@MarissaTheMuse]

@@povo844msf courses turn up their isles so that for the purposes of the lessons you literally don’t need to use the throttle as it has such a high idle.

[@lludan23]

dude this makes so much more sense than what I was taught at MSF. They kept getting pissed at me for stalling the bike and then for getting the bike moving too slowly. I only ever did what they taught me and for me I was not confident in easing out the clutch then also rolling on the throttle at the same time, It just felt awkward. I really just needed them for the cert but I'm so glad I found your channel because you really talk about what was going on through my mind and yeah even though it was 125cc kawasaki, I felt like it was bad to rev the bike like you did to get started because I thought you had to use their technique. Those coaches really made the learning experience unnecessary, one dude kept calling me distracted and that I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and the other dude just kept throwing cold water whenever I was trying to get feedback I was doing it right. Thanks for confirming what I suspected was more important for beginners and just getting that mind connection with controls and that its okay to just rev that bike and it wont hurt it just sitting there, nor will just take off on you. Cheers!

[@PawsomePranksParade]

The confidence I got from this video is immense. Thank you for your wisdom

[@jacksontyler5264]

I did pass MSF but this video makes me feel more confidant about getting my bike. Like you said as a new rider the throttle, vibration, and engine noise was scary for me. Practicing the 'friction zone' on idle didn't give me a good sense for what it's like with power either. I'll definitely be practicing more like this when I get my bike, thanks!

[@domitai0191]

When I took the msf, I felt that if I put too much throttle, the bike would lunge forward, and I would fall

[@avarria587]

This is great advice. I struggled for the longest time with stalling when I went from a scooter to a motorcycle. I figured out that adding enough throttle that I felt the vibrations and then slowly letting off the clutch was a thousand times better than what they showed us in the MSF course. I can accelerate much faster now and I don't stall the bike.

[@Saylavi3]

Hey man, just so you know I stumbled upon this video somehow a couple weeks before I took my MSF course (feb. 19-21). Must have been like a day after you uploaded. Anyway, I genuinely believe watching this was crucial in helping me pass since I'd never ridden a bike before then. Thanks so much!

[@skyoom1]

🙂

[@cozyracer]

I remember on my first BRC (that I coached myself out of lol) the coaches kept telling us all we needed to use was the clutch to get going. But what I found out was that on the older bikes we were using that just wasn't possible-you HAD to add throttle to keep the bikes from the dying as you let the clutch out. On my current bike, I *can* get going with clutch only, but it's a completely different bike, it has more power, etc. Frankly, after taking the BRC twice, and then the ARC, I think the MSF really really needs to update its curriculum. Too many completely new riders in the US leave the BRC just barely knowing how to control a motorcycle, yet can go and buy a 1000cc bike and fly into traffic on a wing and a prayer. What you're talking about right here should be considered ultra basic, required beginner rider knowledge. It's not enough to know to let out the clutch slowly. A rider should understand how the two controls work together, and be able to smoothly get rolling and smoothly stop with complete confidence by the end of the course.

[@shaspaz]

Think I have watched all the beginner stuff out there this is most helpful thank you and good luck as you move forward through this rough time Peace ☮️

[@beaglemit]

I think a lot of us felt this way during the msf. We didn’t know what it was but to put around in 2nd like you were is a great idea and get the feel without clouding students with too much information. Feel and input are so important. Confidence builder too.

[@easye1311]

For the longest i was so scared to rev my bike to 4k or 5k rpm so i can get fast starts...i thought i was gonna wheelie or crash..it was the sound for me ..(i have a cf moto 300nk, very tourqy in the low end)..after many slow starts i finally did it and i realized how controlled and safe it was..i didnt crash and now i have fast and stable starts at red lights and stops..thanks dude

[@xZkhalx3665]

Glad i know i can do it this way, i take my MSF course this upcoming Saturday 03-16-24, really good tips before taking the in person cousre, thanks

[@TheINFP_Diary]

wish i saw this when i learned, showing my mom this way because after seeing me (her daughter) ride she's been wanting to, hopefully i can teach her better this way to get her confident

[@islerenner]

This was super helpful, cheers. I'm starting out on my first bike now and have ridden a few couple times. I picked up a 2023 MT07, and as an added bonus my driveway is extremely steep so taking it up for the first time has proven to be terrifying. I simply don't want to hurt the bike obviously. So far so good.

[@powerguard2988]

so glad i stumbled upon this video before sitting my license, really gives a good alternate perspective, thank you

[@Kevin-mm6xm]

I took the MSF on a 500 lb harley and the first thing we did was the "duck walk" while slowly letting out the clutch at idle. I get why they do this because it makes you feel where the friction zone begins and teaches to release the clutch slowly in a controlled fashion instead of dumping the clutch. Later we were taught to increase throttle as we released the clutch. Baby steps. Anybody learning to ride should watch motorcycle videos and you will hear the engine rpm's increase via throttle while slowly releasing the clutch when starting from a standstill. That's basic motorcycling 101.

[@burntxtoastt]

Those gloves are sick, what brand and model is it?

[@S1LVERGUITAR]

Wish they taught me this in my msf course cause I could not get moving on some exercises or I’d just stall the bike. I failed my skills test and have to retake it but after watching this video I have a much better idea of how the clutch and throttle work together.

[@fixedG]

This is an interesting approach I would have found valuable. I passed the MSF yesterday but I'm a 265 pound man who took the course in a Yamaha Trail 200 and then a XT250 on day two. Clutch/throttle control was a high revving challenge just to start moving without stalling and almost impossible for controlling speed with the friction zone. I desperately need more practice but technically, I'm good to go.

[@alpasca753]

This is exactly how my instructor told me to do it, clutch walk brake repeat, then only one leg, then ride turns and figure 8's. Given I rode motocross as a kid, but she is a good instructor.

[@mannyechaluce3814]

Same here, I am not sure which Country he is talking about, all the MSF course in the US, teaches the friction zone, clutch slowly out, once it starts moving pull it in and progressive brake pressure, repeat that like for 1/2 a block :D some KZbinr's have to make a story, otherwise who would watch them :D

[@diogopereira1475]

This is exactly my issue and why ive fallen many times with the bike for stalling it alot and is exactly what i needed, i got my license but im still very nervous with taking off because ive stalled and fell ovee with it like 7-8 times and each time it made me even more nervous about it, ive searched everywhere for advices and couldnt find it and started to even think it was just me not meant to ride bikes Wish you were my instructor, earned a like and a sub

[@skyoom1]

Keep me posted with the progress you'll get it down as long as you don't let the anxiety discourage you. Good luck out there man and stay safe!

[@ARCNA442]

I wish the MSF taught this way. Coming from a manual car, I naturally added throttle before the clutch only for my MSF instructor to tell me not to do that - cue a day of stalling out the bike from not enough throttle.

[@mikenewton4549]

Great video! I would only offer one very minor critique; I wouldn't use the word "grab"when talking about the brake. Only because it carries the idea of suddenness. Maybe use "apply" or "squeeze." As a relatively new rider myself, word choice can have a big impact on the perception of the action at hand.

[@attheveryend]

He wants the forks to dive tho so grab is correct.

[@mannyechaluce3814]

They taught Friction zone, and had us practice that in our MSF course, the pull and slow release of the clutch were part of the Curriculum, at least here in the US, they do. Maybe in India they don't, but in the US, they drilled that in our head in our MSF course.

[@Rafa-fl9fq]

I had to figure this out on my own. A lot of videos kinda show to use mostly of only clutch let out then use throttle. I’m a new rider and stalled my bike multiple times at a red light then I got nervous at every red light. Taking the class next month

[@Hoodkuv]

Took this video and applied it to real life and it really helped me out, definitely need to practice some more tho. Thanks!

[@RideLikeAChamp]

That's why they say learn to ride on dirt on a dirt bike , without mastering clutch control you cant ride dirt with confidence. It teaches us how to use the clutch and throttle in tandem. Throttle control is really important on the road , total throttle control is the recipe of success to ride on the road confidently and only go as fast based on your ability to stop using front brake , first 30 percent then keep on squeezing to master front brake, try that until the rear wheel just lifts up , threhold braking. Lay two fingers on brake lever to avoid snapping or grabbing front brake.

[@migael92]

Only letting out the clutch with little to, no throttle is a perfectly adequate exercise to develop clutch ''feel''. Afterwards you need play with combination throttle gas and eventual brake for slow speed maneuvers, though. Would be really interested to see how much the MSF differs from the license exam in my country. Might even sign up one day for shits and giggles if they allow me.

[@Alixo_Gamerr]

Looks good but don't forget we are novice and will make %50 wrong movement while doing this thing for a first time. If the engine is at idle revs and we release the cluch too fast the engine will stal but if we made this mistake when the engine is at 5-6k revolutions the bike will jump up to our head.

[@vmsc199]

This. Mistakes can be dangerous. Learning one control at a time seems best and some cases to only use a clutch. I can also see how much damage the clutch disk is going to take at higher rpm while still in the friction zone by a beginner who doesn’t do it properly.

[@SPBTooL]

This is how the great teachers for the MSF course at High Desert HD in Meridian ID did it.

[@whenyoudownrng]

i had to figure this out on my own on the street, because the msf course also failed to teach me this properly, and i figured "if it wasn't on the course, it's not something a beginner should know", so i didn't look into it online. 5 months ago, my 2nd week of riding, i stalled 6 times in a fucking row at the front of a red light before i tried using the throttle as i took off, and that 6th time was the last time i've stalled

[@sonnymolina8748]

Super video so helpful thank you so much for sharing 👏🏽

[@tompGA]

Would be interesting to see how this works with a dozen new riders in the parking lot. Also, how does your liability insurance feel about your students redlining the throttle as they let out the clutch. I'm sure that never goes sideways.

[@gotthatdawg-lh8yb]

the sensei of motorcycle education 🙌

[@gfxartist]

I agree with your theory, but in practice way too many beginners can't feather a clutch to keep the bike from launching forward at 4K RPM. You tell them not to "dump" the clutch. Depending on their background, they may not even know what that word means. Why do so many beginners stall their bikes? Because they dump or release the clutch way too quickly. Putting around in idle does suck but it's manageable for the many first-time riders and gives them some confidence to work up to more throttle. Again I do think your method is superior, but only for those who exhibit good clutch control and/or won't panic if they get it wrong.

[@rapcreeperproductions3269]

I'm gonna be looking at getting my first bike today and if I get it I'll practice this or just dump the clutch into a tree, we'll see.

[@GryphonIndustrial]

Started on a dirt bike that would die just with letting the clutch out. Clutch + throttle was the only way to get going.

[@Treeclimbingexpert]

At the msf I gave it no throttle until clutch was all the way. I dont know how I passed but I did first try.

[@Falconguygaming]

Coming from driving a manual truck, i should be at an advantage making the jump to a bike compared to as if i couldnt drive manual? Its all the same concepts right?

[@locker07]

but wouldn't having higher rpm when releasing the clutch slowly make the clutch plate burn faster?

[@IamProvocateur]

I really appreciate this. I haven’t done the MSF yet (next month) but holy hell does the thought of giving my bike (650) that much throttle and letting out ANY clutch is scary af. My clutch is touchy. Tight. Friction zone is a bee’s dick of play. Don’t dump the clutch I get but my “dump” is soooo fast. Eek.

[@skyoom1]

Try to not think too hard about the "size/width" of the friction zone, all clutches have a lot more wiggle room between 0% and 100% engaged than you think when that adrenaline is pumping while you're new haha. No shame in any amount of practicing either so don't be afraid to spend good chunks of time slowly letting that clutch engage and start to pull and pulling it back in. Good luck on the msf next month, you're already ahead of 50% of that class by taking time to research, you'll get it all down np

[@krisswolf2011]

I don’t ride like he does though He first throttles up first, freeze it there, THEN slowly release the friction zone. After stalling several times in my MSF, I realized I need to “trade” clutch for throttle. Simultaneously slowly turn the throttle on as I slowly let off the clutch. Most people I asked ride the same way, where they trade one with the other

[@diogopereira1475]

No, for new riders thats exactly how you stall the bike alot more often i think, he explained it perfectly for new riders

[@krisswolf2011]

@@diogopereira1475 on the other hand, my friend rides like the way this video suggests (hold high throttle, then slowly release clutch), and back when we were taking the MSF, he kept accidentally wheelieing his bike

[@mhoeij]

1:53 This is what we did at the MSF. Perhaps they're not all the same?

[@kvernesdotten]

The more I hear about this fabled MSF course in the US, the more curious I get. Does it not have driving lessons in actual traffic?

[@12_inch_spinnerz]

I am taking my MSF course this july 20 and 21, since MSF discourages this method, any tips on how to do this so i can pass?

[@rolx1842]

Which bike is that ?it looks nice

[@gabrielpaparotti]

sving my own money to take my bike licesnse soon. THis content helping so much. I think I will do great due to nerdy cycling but I will be confused with front brankes on right hands for a while, I guess kakakak

[@miah3087]

Did you get these steps from wikihow?

[@Dr.BenjiBuddy]

This is not how I was taught how to ride at all. Give it a little gas and then slowly release the clutch. Giving it a little gas will make the "friction zone" much wider, which means you can play with the clutch lever a lot more without the bike stalling. Using only the clutch is not how you'll want to ride in traffic anyway, so why learn it the wrong way.

[@slaytanic921]

He covers that

[@XxkitxX10]

Hahahhaha i remember learning to ride and accidentally revving the 125 cc bike super high with the clutch in and my thought was basically "yep i am going to die." Hahaha exactly as you said

[@alitoroganan2442]

Are you not burning the clutch with these method?

[@skyoom1]

Not to any degree worth worrying about

[@diamondflaw]

It’s worth noting that motorcycles use wet clutches which are way way harder to burn out than the dry clutches typically on cars.

[@F3udF1st]

To be fair, the slow speed IS the exercise - it makes the bike less stable. Anyone can go fast.

[@Motolife84]

Thats how team oregon teaches

[@leviking9625]

Did mine with them in Jan an it was clutch only then after a bit instructors started telling people to apply throttle while taking off to keep from stalling the bike

[@Wrestlingbreakdowns]

instructions unclear did a wheelie

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

I know it feels bad but its better then them using way too much throttle and tossing the bike under them. Its about learning the friction zone more than riding like that though.

[@chesterpophamproductions2879]

My bike will not even go at idle. It will stall EVERY.SINGLE.TIME! Im not a beginner either just hadn't ridden in years before I bought my bike last year.

[@XRS794]

you forgot to say this method only apply to tall people,this is terrible advice for short people who aren't able to flat foot with both feet.

[@skyoom1]

I'm 5'7 on a good day, on a taller than avg bike

[@yurionabike99]

MSF is a scam. Get a dual sport and some dirt. Thats all you need to learn

[@Aluminata]

Throttle is your power. Clutch is your control of that power. Feather it. 🪶