What possibly happened to the missing climbers on K2? Analysis of Sajid Sadpara's recent interview

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3 жыл бұрын

Pakistan Explorers' Naveed Bari cross examine the Information provided by Sajid Sadpara of what possibly happened to the missing climbers on K2.
This explainer is a hypothesis of Pakistan Explorer and is based entirely on probability derived from the information provided by Sajid Sadpara in his recent interview.
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@iltafkhalid5146
@iltafkhalid5146 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis without any sensationalism. very logical.
@soupyr9936
@soupyr9936 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine them having the energy to jump the crevasse on their way back. So incredibly sad.
@asadali-oe4zy
@asadali-oe4zy 3 жыл бұрын
This channel deserves more subscribers, very informative and authentic.
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
Agree!!
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491 2 жыл бұрын
I am Chilean and a expedition of rescuers sent by the 3 families just found out the 3 bodies last week... I dont know exactly the place that were but, there was a video on social media showing all the efforts that were making to bringing down.. May rest in peace
@mikeskidoo3991
@mikeskidoo3991 3 жыл бұрын
Over 8 foot jump with limited oxygen and heavy gear and being tired.... man I can’t even imagine
@verrelle66
@verrelle66 3 жыл бұрын
They summited or were around very late, if the phone call or glitch was recorded at 19h. Descending at night while more winds were forecast....did they get lost in death zone? were they reached by a serac or an avalanche? did they fall in a crevasse? The fact all track was lost of the whole team suggests a freak event happened.
@shahzadaf79
@shahzadaf79 3 жыл бұрын
another logical summerized reporting and anlysis, great work, I think now only time will reveal if they aren't burried under snow
@murtazaalam8326
@murtazaalam8326 3 жыл бұрын
There's no greater testament to how challenging climbing K2 is than the fact that it takes 5 hours to get from the Bottleneck to the Summit, when the distance between to two is only 400 metres. May they RIP.
@nealteitelbaum8660
@nealteitelbaum8660 3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that it is not 400 meters in length or distance. It is 400 meters in height, or altitude, which is significantly harder.
@langdonowen161
@langdonowen161 2 жыл бұрын
Well that's vertical meters
@Fitheach81
@Fitheach81 2 жыл бұрын
@@langdonowen161 while being over 8000m up and well into the death zone.
@fernandog.aguirre2791
@fernandog.aguirre2791 3 жыл бұрын
Extremely hard to believe that 3 climbers can jump across 2.5 mts cravasse in climbing gear!
@thatoneguy4412
@thatoneguy4412 3 жыл бұрын
At 8,000 meters at that!
@joelw5996
@joelw5996 3 жыл бұрын
Jumping down a level on the way back. They could of taken a risk to jump a wider gap to save time walking sideways (to find narrower crevice). Maybe the high side edge caved in while all 3 were looking at it
@prhanson
@prhanson 3 жыл бұрын
you mean unbelievable.
@jermainerace4156
@jermainerace4156 2 жыл бұрын
@Eric Rerrud11 According to the video, this crevass was new. This happens sometimes that glaciers crack open as they flow down a mountain.
@johy2007
@johy2007 3 жыл бұрын
Having followed the attempt on K2 on social media, I was saddened by the loss of these mountain heroes. I listened to your wonderful narration with great interest. May they rest in peace. Greetings from India.
@zaryabajmal9583
@zaryabajmal9583 3 жыл бұрын
At that altitude with all the gear jumping across 2.5 m wide crevasse is impossible.
@prhanson
@prhanson 3 жыл бұрын
No way they jumped across a 2.5m crevasse at that altitude, they must have found a spot where the opening was more narrow. A 1m jump with gear at latitude would be almost impossible in my mind.
@MayurUPatel
@MayurUPatel 3 жыл бұрын
I mean they could have thrown the gear over and then jumped lmao. Still hard but not impossible
@GangdamStyle20
@GangdamStyle20 3 жыл бұрын
@@prhanson Ohh common, don't over do it. 1m is just like a regular wide step. And they also had the "stepness" helping them. I but there must have been an accident. It's very unlikely that all of the three fall into the crack in the process of trying to jump over it... I agree though to do a 2.5m jump with climping equipment and high altitude geting difficult.
@vitanus
@vitanus 3 жыл бұрын
@@prhanson Okay so, 1 m is a big step ... 2.5 is ... very difficult but 1m is doable. Risky like everything up there, but not the same as jumping 2.5 m ...
@MayurUPatel
@MayurUPatel 2 жыл бұрын
@joal incontrol fair enough
@adriancoronel4956
@adriancoronel4956 3 жыл бұрын
So sad,3 climbers dead,RIP,thanks, greetings from México City 🇲🇽👍🌈
@javiervalcan6824
@javiervalcan6824 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks x your analysis. I guess now we will have to wait that someone could reach the area asap. Otherwise, we pray that summer time will open a gap to rescuers-recoverers could find the bodies and come to find out what really happened that tragic 5th of february. We all wait and hope for good news. Greetings and thanks again.
@hammadhassan1455
@hammadhassan1455 3 жыл бұрын
Best analysis so far..so logical.....deserve many views
@saimoooo
@saimoooo 3 жыл бұрын
Information dounds so authentic. Thank you for sharing.
@reyhanazeem9462
@reyhanazeem9462 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much .after missing the team very first time customize information .
@sarahmuneer3666
@sarahmuneer3666 3 жыл бұрын
Very Logical Great 👍 Suggestion 👍
@ISNFSPK
@ISNFSPK 3 жыл бұрын
At 15:48. There was a fixed rope but not any sort of bridge. They put their safety D rings on this rope, secured anchor on their side, doubled ensured and jumped across. After first person jumped across they double secured the anchor (ice Screw) on other side.
@jeffthekillersimp472
@jeffthekillersimp472 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't the fixed rope run from the base of the Bottleneck to the Summit? There was no fixed rope in the area near the crevasse.
@sarahmaula9134
@sarahmaula9134 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you your explanation was very welcoming ....very very sad😪😪😪😪😪love from South Africa
@paddyanglais91
@paddyanglais91 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your insight - greetings from the UK 🇬🇧
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for a very good analysis. Can someone clarify: you’re saying the crevasse was near C3, but the photos that mark the approx location of the crevasse appear to be of C4? Also, another unanswered question is: did they make it to the summit? Apparently, it was agreed they would make a call from the summit to confirm their achievement, but they did not call. If we assume that their phone was working (based on the call that was made from John Snorri’s phone at 7:17 pm), one hypothesis arises that they, for some reason, were unable to make the summit and had turned back - and ultimately met an accident near the crevasse which is when they used the phone to try to call for help. Would be glad if someone could share their thoughts.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
The Crevasse is reported to be somewhere between C3 (7600) and C4 (8000). Exact loc can only be pointed by the ones who saw it themselves however we think it must be right at the beginning of the shoulder i.e. when the altitude flattens and the long snow field gets visible. As for the Sat phone we think that all their gadgets including Sat Phone and Tracker (which can send sms) were dead long before they reached the summit (i.e. if they reached the summit) but during the accident they tried to turn on the phone (sometimes warming up batteries can give enough strength to make call or send an sms) which resulted in the system glitch. Again, these are all assumptions.
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM thank you so much. Sensible analysis. Nobody is giving this kind of insight on other channels. May Allah bless the souls of the departed climbers, specially our brother Ali Sadpara.
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM Did they ever mention if there was an agreed upon cut-off time?
@majakoren1746
@majakoren1746 Жыл бұрын
Great and extensive video.
@brendareed8412
@brendareed8412 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this very clear analysis.
@judymotto236
@judymotto236 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing with us ..just subbed 💙
@nomad4795
@nomad4795 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed information
@evaschwartz8490
@evaschwartz8490 3 жыл бұрын
Rest and peace to this a maising hero. God bless your family 🇺🇸
@anaranjadisimo
@anaranjadisimo 3 жыл бұрын
a hero for what? trying to go where youre not supposed to , just to prove a pointless intention?
@vagot
@vagot 2 жыл бұрын
Thank u for ur words.
@1MyNameisGladiator
@1MyNameisGladiator 3 жыл бұрын
They were probably too tired and out of time after reaching the summit in their way back, and didn`t consider going around the crevasse, so they tied themselves in case one of them failed to jump it in the attempt, and the other two could hold, and there, something might have gone wrongly.
@MasterFeidn
@MasterFeidn 3 жыл бұрын
it is not even clear if they summited at all. And jump 2.5m exhausted, in the death zone, with backpack....sure....
@1MyNameisGladiator
@1MyNameisGladiator 3 жыл бұрын
​@@MasterFeidn If by summer they can't be found under there, then you were right
@markmnorcal
@markmnorcal 3 жыл бұрын
They should make a law that requires each climber to keep a journal of their expedition.
@ImranAli-hg4fm
@ImranAli-hg4fm 3 жыл бұрын
Now I know why K2 is called the savage and the king of all mountains 🏔 by the international experience mountaineers. More people have been to space then the Summit of K2 😮.
@user-fk5ui6eu2w
@user-fk5ui6eu2w 3 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis,so many ropes wasfixed in the route and just desappeared in some hours????
@oti603
@oti603 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@nishatkhurram6964
@nishatkhurram6964 3 жыл бұрын
V informative video
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
What were the winds like? I recall hearing a theory that Alison Hargreaves team got blown right off the traverse by strong winds.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
the winds were around 30kmph but reached 60kmph by 1800hrs
@peterjohnson617
@peterjohnson617 3 жыл бұрын
thank you......the one thing that would be good is to give us a date,so we might have a timeline of when this happen.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
we will mention the date as soon as we have a confirmation.
@iltafkhalid5146
@iltafkhalid5146 3 жыл бұрын
If possible, plz interview or at least share the main mountaineers of Pakistan with their so far achievements and also the retired ones.
@3vimages471
@3vimages471 2 жыл бұрын
Do you mean Nanga Parbat?
@miriammoriarty8588
@miriammoriarty8588 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting.
@Never_nameU
@Never_nameU 3 жыл бұрын
After seeing some other reviews on this accident , your analysis and info is quite relatable. Alas we lost our Hero, that's the loss.
@VT_Hokies
@VT_Hokies 3 жыл бұрын
@katlekho umphela You assumed wrong. Sadpara was one of the most famous climbers in Pakistan.
@ilsaashfaque1250
@ilsaashfaque1250 3 жыл бұрын
I also think before that they may be in a crevice but no one actually searched for them in the crevice..
@murtazaalam8326
@murtazaalam8326 3 жыл бұрын
The subject matter is kind of sad, but the analysis is brilliant
@abusyed5588
@abusyed5588 3 жыл бұрын
Wow. Soo..very...nice. bhai...... But. Miss. You.. Ali. Sir... So. Sad.. 🏁🏁💚😓😓
@haroonjaved6262
@haroonjaved6262 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for analysis but all three climbers were fell in crevasse also doesn't make any sense. Secondly, when nepalis told there was a crevasse and they take another route towards cessen then why all other teams didn't follow. But there is one thing that make sense that something happened to them simultaneously that is why no one come back.
@danbrown4772
@danbrown4772 3 жыл бұрын
maybe the crevasse wasn't there on the way up?
@haroonjaved6262
@haroonjaved6262 3 жыл бұрын
@@danbrown4772 dan cravasse there and ali sadpara son told they jump from it. According to him, something may have happened during descend. He reported after evening, the winds were quite strong and may be they trapped under strong wind conditions. Gods knows the best.
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
Climbing this mountain without supplemental oxygen in winter with a super tight weather window. Then getting in trouble and wasting a precious spare bottle meant for someone else? Jumping over crevasses? If this is the case then I ask, should we really be supporting this guy's quest to climb anymore mountains? He's going to get himself or others killed with those kinds of actions/decisions.
@shazadkhan121
@shazadkhan121 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you very very strongly as he’s the second head command and most responsible for the safety of the whole team
@stupot7281
@stupot7281 3 жыл бұрын
Man , That is so crazy for all three , to jump.........
@fsrodeo81
@fsrodeo81 3 жыл бұрын
nice analysis. do you reckon that if this is what happened, so that the accident was on the crevasse they did summit k2 or not? would they had time to go all the way up and almost down to c3?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
without any evidence it is hard to ascertain a summit success
@davesnothere.5528
@davesnothere.5528 2 жыл бұрын
Turns out, while down- climbing the traverse 'sherpa style' on the way back , in the dark and in freezing weather, one of the climber's safety line, attached by carabiner to the fixed rope, got stuck on a broken anchor. The climber was unable to climb back up to free the carabiner, and he and his mates froze to death.
@davesnothere.5528
@davesnothere.5528 2 жыл бұрын
I learned that from your other video, well done.
@nishaa575
@nishaa575 3 жыл бұрын
There needs to be improved communication on the most dangerous mountain in the world..rip all three.
@decaf8126
@decaf8126 3 жыл бұрын
Like what? Install communication towers? Most hickers use satellite phones. And that is the only possible way to communicate.. for your info, Thuraya is a sattellite phone company..
@donniebunkerboi9975
@donniebunkerboi9975 3 жыл бұрын
Yes so that iphone toting tourists can go there make a selfies. TF
@nasreenbasrai7010
@nasreenbasrai7010 3 жыл бұрын
Very good points but one q how did the naplaese climbers cross over the cravess ?Did they all jump & all of them survived which they did or they had the ropes or the steel ledge if yes then why wasn't it left there to help other climbers?
@BillSikes.
@BillSikes. 3 жыл бұрын
Being as none of them returned it's my guess they were swept to their deaths at the treverse, huge blocks of ice regularly break off from the overhanging cerac, Sadly it's unlikely their remains will ever be found RIP 🙏
@FRDOMFGTHR
@FRDOMFGTHR 3 жыл бұрын
@ 8:48 that’s the house chimney not bottleneck, thanks for the info tho!
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
You are correct
@annamichaelsdottir5834
@annamichaelsdottir5834 3 жыл бұрын
How sad to here. ❤❤❤
@Trish.Norman
@Trish.Norman 3 жыл бұрын
I have some confusion that I hope someone can shed some light on. If the Nepalis shared info with the Sadpara/Snorri team at base camp about the crevasse would they not have also shared info at the time about using the Cesen route to go around it? If info was shared then why would Snorri team then try to jump across the crevasse. This makes no sense to me. If someone told me there is a giant crevasse and we could not cross it then I think the 1st question you would ask is how did you get around it. So my question is did they also share info regarding the Cesen work around?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
John Snorri and his team came to know of the Nepali summit push only when Sajid went up to deposit gear in Camp-2. with this level of communication or absence of it shows they did not have the complete info even after the Nepali summit success. There is also a strong possibility that John and his team knew about the crevasse and possible detour to cross it but they were in a rush as the weather window was very small and they were already late
@Trish.Norman
@Trish.Norman 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM Thank you for replying. Do you have any information on whom is planning to search for them once K2 summer season begins? Thank you again.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
@@Trish.Norman Sajid along with his fellow climbers have already announced the search for the missing climbers along with the cleanup campaign to remove old ropes from the mountain. We are not sure but a few climbers from winter expedition have already signed up to participate
@annamichaelsdottir5834
@annamichaelsdottir5834 3 жыл бұрын
How come was 0/2 missing and tents?
@khauff-hindihorror9190
@khauff-hindihorror9190 3 жыл бұрын
I think they were more tired while descending which made them weaker while jumping crevice.
@tazsub
@tazsub 3 жыл бұрын
So how did the Nepal team who summited pass the crevasse?
@arrowblue3909
@arrowblue3909 3 жыл бұрын
they took the long route.
@johndurrer7869
@johndurrer7869 Жыл бұрын
They have a built in cheat code. The difference bigger than man bs woman in sport
@ismailhaider1844
@ismailhaider1844 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any way!toknow did they 3 summit K2?we should also think about it.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
This could only be ascertained if the bodies of the climbers are ever found.
@nadiarehman4478
@nadiarehman4478 3 жыл бұрын
Btw Sajid waited for the team at the shoulder/C4 area that night so that they would climb down togather so whatever happened must have happened above C4 most probably around the traverse as Sajid was already camped at shoulder/C4 .Why would they bypass Sajids camp on C4 which had the light on and whom they could communicate with as well and go jumping on the crevasse in the dead of night???
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
They did not establish Camp-4. They attacked the summit from Camp-3 where Sajid waited for them in the night.
@N-a-T12
@N-a-T12 3 жыл бұрын
If they fell into the crevasse , do you think they were roped together? If so is that something what standard procedure on K2? Thank you 🙏
@dougdavis8986
@dougdavis8986 3 жыл бұрын
Generally not roped in that area
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
its quite possible they were roped in together while crossing the crevasse
@dougdavis8986
@dougdavis8986 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM : possibly but still extremely unlikely all 3 would get pulled in. If they were roped and came to cross the crevasse they would go one at a time. When one jumps the other two are belaying and prepared to catch a fall if necessary. Seems almost impossible that they would all go in. I don't think they ever got off the upper part of the mountain. We probably will never know.
@hummingbird2270
@hummingbird2270 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to fell in cravess and still their bodies can be found after 5 months? Don't know whether iam wrong, but seems like they were swept away by avalanche, bcoz their bodies were found far from each other. As per my knowledge team members always move in a queue and connected by ropes.
@asokedas2977
@asokedas2977 3 жыл бұрын
Jumping over a 8 ft wide crevasse at 7800mtrs after a summit attempt indicate they were not thinking properly which happens due to oxygen lack. They had run out of oxygen.when the tragedy struck.
@donbrashsux
@donbrashsux 3 жыл бұрын
I’m looking up at my ceiling in the house as I listen to this story it is 3 metres from floor to ceiling.. it would be impossible to jump 2.5 metres ..unless you had a good run up ..even then it’s a huge gap.. Is the 2.5 metre gap accurate or is it guessed ?
@prhanson
@prhanson 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously not accurate, no way they did that. They must have found a spot that was more narrow. Impossible for them to do that at altitude on one of the most dangerous mountains in the world.
@donbrashsux
@donbrashsux 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbiter of Truth ..in those conditions up k2 ...not at school
@donbrashsux
@donbrashsux 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbiter of Truth yes yr right .. we weren’t there.. easy to comment from comforts of home
@prhanson
@prhanson 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbiter of Truth you're fucking kidding right...I can only assume you are being sarcastic in this statement.
@prhanson
@prhanson 3 жыл бұрын
@Arbiter of Truth Yes he is a liar or he was mistaken about the distance. 2.5m is way more than 5ft for one, it is more like 8ft, that is a big difference. These super athletes can barely walk at 8000m let alone run and jump a crevasse. They wouldn't be able to do it with no gear on let alone with all gear on. If they did do that then it seems they got exactly what you would expect, death. Get off the crack pipe dude.
@grzegorzmordas9134
@grzegorzmordas9134 3 жыл бұрын
I can't find information, if Juan Pablo spent the night with John, Ali and Sajid and then set off for the summit with them, or perhaps joined them later on, to the summit. The reporter speaks only about Snorri, Ali and Sajid. Did I miss something?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
Juan was surely with Ali and John when they started climbing the bottleneck.
@GangdamStyle20
@GangdamStyle20 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, sad accident. But I am a little confused, shouldn't it be easier to jump over the crack if you go down? They went over the crack on their way up, didn't they? Maybe they overjumped the crack on their way down? Still not plausible, that all three of them didn't make it like that... Anyway rest in peace brave men!!
@EndOfIt
@EndOfIt 3 жыл бұрын
when ppl halucinate on these mts they often do weird things due to sickness such as taking off gear, attacking rescuers etc... if sajid was halucinating, is it possible he attacked and pushed them into the crevesse... watch lincoln hall documentry to get the jist of what i am saying....
@EndOfIt
@EndOfIt 3 жыл бұрын
@Mikael Funch its a possibility, if they were tied together and one failed the jump (and its been said John Snori was fatigued and emotional to go the course despite all cautions as he had failed once before and then on this trip they had already had one abrupted attempt)... a fall into the crevasse is the only plausible scenario as his satellite phone was also detected for last location to be at ~7800 m which is a touch below where they should have been (meaning crevasse fall)
@jb-ws1fi
@jb-ws1fi 3 жыл бұрын
The Nepali team didn’t mention any crevasse at camp3 only said theres a crevasse before bottleneck they went around it so i don’t know what crevasse he’s taking about.
@janegilmore102
@janegilmore102 2 жыл бұрын
Looking at pictures of K2 it’s the Serac that would scare me. I honestly believe they should work out a new track to the summit. If they had a 8/9scale earthquake it would all come tumbling down. They killer climbers often. One climber from the storm at Mt Everest in 95 I think it was. He said “ if I knew I was going to lose my hands, feet, nose and have problems I would have NEVER climbed it.” Maybe they need to see a clip from him and others before they start the climb. It’s a traffic hazard now.. RIP to all that succumbed to these mountains 🙏🏻🙏🏻 love from Australia. We have lost many too.
@annamichaelsdottir5834
@annamichaelsdottir5834 3 жыл бұрын
Something went really wrong.
@pelerinonline2191
@pelerinonline2191 3 жыл бұрын
Min 11 : 30 ... why cant they go on the rocks on the left side , in order to avoid the serac. They should create a new route
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
if you are referring to the formidable 'Weisser Variante' i.e. the rock structures on the left of the bottleneck, it is 1500m of steep rock climbing involving dangerous seracs and overhangs and is purely technical climb. This is almost 80-90 degree climb which is physically excruciating at this altitude if not impossible. A single footstep at this altitude weighs like a ton. Bottleneck is comparatively easier and maneuverable.
@pelerinonline2191
@pelerinonline2191 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM Wow... i didnt knew its 1500 m and 90 degrees. thanks for the info.
@ISNFSPK
@ISNFSPK 3 жыл бұрын
Crevasse was 2-2.5 approximate
@ismailhaider1844
@ismailhaider1844 3 жыл бұрын
According to sajid they3 were going to summit k2 'yet they didnt reach on k2 and accident happened.i think.
@Hojiii
@Hojiii 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, jumping 2.5 meters across a crevasse? NO. Who were the fixed ropes at the Bottleneck set by?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
ropes above bottleneck were fixed by the Nepalese team
@Hojiii
@Hojiii 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM Were those the only ropes or could they have found and used older ropes?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hojiii there must be old ropes scattered all over but its easy to distinguish new rope from the old ones
@Hojiii
@Hojiii 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM Maybe, maybe not. There have been other climbing accidents due to this mistake. Hence a climbers unwritten rule to use only ropes set by oneself of their team.
@dougdavis8986
@dougdavis8986 3 жыл бұрын
Unlikely all 3 went into the crevasse. That close to camp 3 someone would have made it back. I doubt they ever got back to the bottleneck or they would have been found.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
you can very well be right. However, the only problem is the Thuraya glitch that remains unexplained. Also by the time they might have reached the crevasse they must be extremely tired and exhausted to make it across
@mirhamzakhan4901
@mirhamzakhan4901 3 жыл бұрын
Sir. How can you be so sure about that . well. just asking
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
We are not.
@N-a-T12
@N-a-T12 3 жыл бұрын
He just said and I quote : " the POSSIBLE explanation" what has happened.
@jb-ws1fi
@jb-ws1fi 3 жыл бұрын
he was hallucinating how can he even know what crevasses they were jumping off,I don’t think this scenario is right they prob fell off descending winds were picking up rapidly that day and it could be ice fall happened and they fell just like 2008 k2 disaster ice falls of serac And hits the climbers.
@sandra-ko5op
@sandra-ko5op 3 жыл бұрын
Algun resumen en español porfavor? 🙏
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 2 жыл бұрын
no hablo Español lo siento mucho!
@mahnaz186
@mahnaz186 3 жыл бұрын
How did the Nepalese team cross the crevasse?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
as per records they went far down towards the Cessen route (maybe 100m) to cross it and John Snorri and team thought of jumping across it than wasting time looking for a narrow gap. The weather window was very small as we know
@reyhanazeem9462
@reyhanazeem9462 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM why they didnt fix ropes when jumped , means all four jumped wow and sajid jump again with bad health amazing...as you said 2.5meters means 8.20 foot with wearing dress and crampon and run on ice and jump . sir g hazam nahi ho raha.
@dennissoignier4706
@dennissoignier4706 2 жыл бұрын
VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND....HOW ABOUT SUBTITLES
@vitanus
@vitanus 3 жыл бұрын
2.5 m would be too far ... there is no way they jump 2.5 m in the snow, in high altitude with climbing gear. One in five would make that jump, at best
@hinnyQ
@hinnyQ 3 жыл бұрын
How did all 3 fall into the crevice
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
It is an assumption that they fell in the crevasse and may very well be wrong. As one of the climbers pointed out, sometimes it happens that one of the member gets in trouble and the others risk their lives in saving him only to find out that they are too late to save themselves or even worse the weather worsens (which can be a possibility as it was a white out after 7pm as mentioned by sajid)
@reyhanazeem9462
@reyhanazeem9462 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM sir if going with this theory " that one member gets in trouble and the others risk their live to saving them . its mean its might be happend when they first try to jump and failed and may be two more person get down to save them . only sajid remain safe to fall and realize he cannot pull them alone and he return.
@Bella.216
@Bella.216 3 жыл бұрын
@@reyhanazeem9462 Why don't you just stop it, he said it may be they fell so just shut it down until the search team finds them
@leomayor82
@leomayor82 3 жыл бұрын
What a tough job explaning something unknown. Reality difucult what a Challenge represents K2 . Upthere the worst can always happen, part of the sport.
@kath2934
@kath2934 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they will ever be found
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491 2 жыл бұрын
They just found them the 3 of them this past week.. I am from Chile and it was on national Tv, also I saw a video on social media . Rest in peace
@nonmihiseddeo4181
@nonmihiseddeo4181 3 жыл бұрын
If they were in the crevasse, there would be footprints leading to the point where they disappeared into it. No? You could see where they ran and jumped, at least.
@VT_Hokies
@VT_Hokies 3 жыл бұрын
No, the winds are so strong at that altitude in the winter that their footprints would vanish in a matter of hours.
@jb-ws1fi
@jb-ws1fi 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously don’t think they jumped crevasse his analysis is not right no body knows possibly fell off near bottle neck area north side notorious for ice falls hitting climbers and taking them down.
@christopherreinsmith1401
@christopherreinsmith1401 2 жыл бұрын
What happened was, on the descent, without oxygen, basically, exhaustion and no o2 was the nail in the coffin!
@tahirriaz6277
@tahirriaz6277 3 жыл бұрын
When and where did the Nepalis pass on information to JS team about the crevasse?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
Probably at the Base Camp. As per Sajid Sadpara they had the info about this crevasse
@tahirriaz6277
@tahirriaz6277 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM probably is not the word you used in your video. There was no rope fixing at this location and JS Team didn't know about this in advance. Thus your assumption is wrong.
@neonskuller
@neonskuller 3 жыл бұрын
@@tahirriaz6277 The rope fixing is a lie and exactly how Atanas Skatov died the same day when they disappeared, but the climbing company denies a mistake on their part and blames him instead.
@tahirriaz6277
@tahirriaz6277 3 жыл бұрын
@@neonskuller rope fix has been exposed by the contradictions within in the Nepali explanations.
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
@@tahirriaz6277 Hey. Can you share with us what these contradictions are? Thanks
@gulsazam7583
@gulsazam7583 2 жыл бұрын
it is very sure that they all three have submit the K2 and coming back that they have received this accident.
@ismailhaider1844
@ismailhaider1844 3 жыл бұрын
They summit k2?y snorri didnt call from k2?no proof.crevess was on the way back.and they jumped the crevess once they can jump again too.
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
Crevasse was more likely still there on their return but it may be possible that they were too exhausted to make the jump again or maybe one of the climbers met the accident while crossing it.
@javiervalcan6824
@javiervalcan6824 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM maybe they thought finding the end of the crevasse was outof possibility, due to the running time. And one of them was too exhausted to dare, or if daring, to make it. If they were corded for security, the one failed pushed the others into the void. Hope not, but that's a possibility. If only one is accidented, one can descend to camp 3 in order to activate the search and rescue, while the other can see what can be done at place. But this did not happen. If they decided to go around to search the end of crevasse and were not able to reach such point, maybe they were forced to vivac somewhere, which it could be a death sentence at that altitude. I don't know. Anything after the info you provided could happened... Thanks!
@MasterFeidn
@MasterFeidn 3 жыл бұрын
@@PakistanexplorerTM you just speculating man. You do not even know if they summit. "On their way back" sure... And a 2.5m jump is not easy on 100 % condition let alone exhausted, with backpack and in the death zone...
@greengarden298
@greengarden298 3 жыл бұрын
Why does climber doesn't carry gps tracker with them while climbing ?
@EndOfIt
@EndOfIt 3 жыл бұрын
should be a standard procedure to mtn climbing, u go up, u must be tagged with a tracker...
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
They were carrying GPS tracker both John and JP but their batteries died from the start of the summit push
@haroonjaved6262
@haroonjaved6262 3 жыл бұрын
one more thing that john snori team got wrong news about weather and in the same time nepali team got the right news and they went up towards camp3 while other teams were stayed at camp2, hence wasting their summit window.
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
This happens because there are multiple service providers one can choose from in order to get weather window predictions. And The reports of these different services don’t always match as there is an element of probability involved. Some are more accurate than others. The Nepali team and JS team were not using the same service and were simply following the weather reports as given to them by their respective service.
@jamiebarry1974
@jamiebarry1974 3 жыл бұрын
Someone will find the 3 climbers, a hundred years from now
@paddyanglais91
@paddyanglais91 3 жыл бұрын
Morbid thought but likely true
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491
@margaritaisabelcabrera6491 2 жыл бұрын
They just found the 3 of them this past week.. I saw a video that was on the news.. The family of Juan Pablo never gave up to try to find his body.. May rest in peace the 3 of rhem
@kandychapman5578
@kandychapman5578 2 жыл бұрын
Pause video and take care of nasal
@krazykillar4794
@krazykillar4794 3 жыл бұрын
With the kind of tech available today, I don't understand why people climb these mountains with caveman equipment. Atleast buy a heated fleece jacket to help fight hypothermia in emergency. Also why why don't climbers take a GPS device or any other type of tracking device. Here in UK people put GPS colors on theirs pet cats and dogs. These are humans in a very remote place. Doesn't make sense!
@gilou275
@gilou275 3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing it's more of a battery survivability issue. It is said to be negative 40C to negative 60C when the wind blows up there, I think batteries run out pretty quickly at those temperatures. Nothing survives for long up there.
@andrewrivera4029
@andrewrivera4029 3 жыл бұрын
Crevice kills.
@n.heroep2786
@n.heroep2786 3 жыл бұрын
2.5m crevasse and they jumped it with that altitude and gearing? That seems impossible. Did I just hear that Sajib was in the bottleneck and he got issued? Told to come down. But then he still could jump the 2.5m crevasse to reach camp 3? How did a struggling climber in altitude can still ump a 2.5m crevasse while halucinating?
@PakistanexplorerTM
@PakistanexplorerTM 3 жыл бұрын
That was the only sensible risk that could have been taken at that time. If sajid was not stopped at the bottom of bottleneck he must have risked his life more seriously. Now we know that Ali made the right decision to send sajid back as he is the only one to survive
@dougdavis8986
@dougdavis8986 3 жыл бұрын
Good report. In the future try to quit touching your face and nose when on camera.
@emu9520
@emu9520 3 жыл бұрын
Quit annoying commentary...
@dougdavis8986
@dougdavis8986 3 жыл бұрын
@@emu9520 learn to read
@fjneela82
@fjneela82 3 жыл бұрын
I'm the one who has reached K2 summit on Ytube. Moral of story don't go with the furious type guy like Snorri.
@afarensis79
@afarensis79 3 жыл бұрын
I did it first! 😉
@lolapeters9812
@lolapeters9812 3 жыл бұрын
Please stop picking your nose it’s so distracting otherwise good video
@kennekarch
@kennekarch 3 жыл бұрын
Fairy tale
@maggiecoffey4352
@maggiecoffey4352 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating info...but distracting watching him stick his thumb in his nose every other minute. Maybe handle that, THEN make the video?!?
@butchblakesley6239
@butchblakesley6239 2 жыл бұрын
the question is who cares !
@habanmighaban1609
@habanmighaban1609 2 жыл бұрын
What's up with ur nose man?
@bigtittybear6705
@bigtittybear6705 3 жыл бұрын
They died lmao thats what happened
@mandar.deodhar
@mandar.deodhar 3 жыл бұрын
looks like crap talk
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