What Really Happened Easter Morning? A Look at our Best Historical Evidence

[@dna1435]

Dr Tabor, eye opening, excellent analysis, real historical facts like a Sherlock Holmes, please keep it up, we need people like you to save us from conmen, thank you.

[@ginaheaton2203]

If joseph of arimathea took so much care of Jesus after his death then Jesus had to be someone very special especially considering how the other priests felt about Jesus. And if joseph of arimathea moved Jesus’s body then why did he leave the linen behind that Jesus was wrapped in? Did Joseph rewrap Jesus’s body?

[@joseph-jg2ie]

Please write a book on this subject, the world needs it

[@geraldmeehan8942]

Thank you Dr Tabor for the analysis. Keep up the good work!

[@Bjl1976]

The explanation of the temporary tomb makes total sense, although I never heard anyone preach this in my 40 yrs of Christianity. What I can't explain away is if that is the case, you would think that once the ladies arrive to an empty tomb, they would have had prior knowledge of the plan for his finally burial location and would have just assumed he had already been taken there in which they coukd have arranged to go see him for the final time. So how does this account of a missing body even get disseminated in the first place.

[@WickedFelina]

Of course the women would know. Unless the emphasis is on hysterical women? Is this the reason why women were worth 50% of a man therefore, could never be called as a witness? Jesus raises them up, intellectuals of today pull them down. Sounds like an explanation for the empty tomb, while saying that the middle part is totally made up up until the Galilee sighting. How did the church spread? The Gnostic gospels totally contradict Matthew, Mark, Luke & John. Plus the Gnostic requirement for a Gospel to be considered a Gospel is that it doesn't need to be historical, just spiritual inspiration. So the Gospel of Peter in the 4th century tomb of the Egyptian Monk Gnostic? Likely so.

[@terryhunt2659]

They were all in hiding from the Roman (and High Priesthood) authorities, who would have wanted to arrest and possibly execute some of this (to them) gang of seditionists who were in cahoots with the terrorist 'bandits' (two of whom were the "thieves" crucified alongside Jesus), so they were likely scattered and not all in direct contact with each other. Mary of Magdala and the other women may not have had knowledge of the Tapriot tomb, and indeed it may not yet have been purchased, as all bar Jesus of the eventual 10 finally interred there were likely still alive, except possibly Jesus' father Joseph (whether biological or adoptive) who _may_ have died earlier, and whose ossuary could have been relocated to it, if it is one of the three without an inscription, and the child 'Yehuda bar Yeshua' whose ossuary was also in the tomb. Of course this has never been 'preached', as it is in direct contradiction to the later-invented doctrines of sacrifice, bodily resurrection, salvation, etc., etc., of the pro-Roman "Christian" movement that sprang from the 50s CE 'vision' and preaching of Saul/Paul. Prof Tabor, however, is dealing with credible historical facts and plausibilities, rather than supernatural woo-woo.

[@Brad4083]

The truth may have become separated from the questions, rumors, and stories that followed. Some followers heard that the body was missing. They didn't (or couldn't) follow up to determine if it had been found. They devised stories to answer their questions...and the legend continued to build.

[@lieslceleste3395]

The woman never came to the tomb at all. It is not a custom to anoint bodies after burial and, even if there were, women would not have attended the body of a dead man.

[@WickedFelina]

@@lieslceleste3395 You were there I gather? To have it written, in the 1st and oldest Gospel, and it be a tradition is that makes the account of the resurrection either ridiculous or TRUE. There is no reason to write such a thing because it is impossible for it to be believed unless, the idea of treating women in a subhuman way was so abhorrent to Jesus and his followers, that they threw the rules of the day, and priests away to do what is RIGHT, good and just. As you would believe anyone who was connected to and following a pure, and just Divine Being as we believe the Creator should be.

[@davidcavanaugh5382]

Great topic and coverage. Thanks for sharing your expertise and experience of many years!

[@McadMcad]

He's on the Rise

[@douglasparise3986]

Luke 24:36 a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones as you see i have.,- Jesus

[@ALEX-KYLE-g9]

Thanks a lot, Dr. Tabor, for presenting what is actually written down and explaining that so exquisitely. 26:34 was completely unexpected "now was the last day of unleavened bread" in the Gospel of Peter!!!

[@26beegee]

Facts? How can a story told decades after the event contain any facts? Even days after the event any verbal recounting would be questionable but, being written decades after the fact? No way could there be any accuracy at all! Paul never met Jesus at all and was not present at the time of the crucifixion. This is an amazing fairy tale. All religions are mythology. Not worth wasting our time thinking about.

[@TorianTammas]

This is roman-greek literature, highly artificial product written by greek authors, in greek, for a greek audience.

[@gsr4535]

Love Dr Tabor 👍

[@jerryn.j.vondeling]

But what about the tomb being sealed and guarded by Roman soldiers preventing the body to be taken? Matt. 27:64

[@Brad4083]

Remember that Joseph of Arimathea had an agreement with Pilate. Joseph was an important man, and the two may have known each other. When Joseph came back to the tomb that night after the Sabbath, the guards (if there were any) may have been instructed to let him remove the body. However, Matthew is the only gospel to mention guards, and that part of Matthew's account may be a bit of fiction. Also, Joseph may have told the women that the body would be removed from the tomb on the morning after the Sabbath. That was the original plan. However, after thinking about it, the Jewish leaders did not want to risk the scenario of Jesus' body being paraded through the streets of Jerusalem, so they asked Pilate to direct Joseph to move the body secretly during the night. That is why the women were taken by surprise that morning. (This is just my personal attempt to explain the miscommunication between Joseph and the women.)

[@seektruth8333]

​​@@Brad4083For the story teller, it was important to mention Joe burying Jesus, but why no mention of Joe regarding the missing body of Jesus which was under his responsibility? This looks like a gaping black hole in this story telling.

[@TheBarelyBearableAtheist]

When people object to your thesis by asking how the religion could have started when there were people who knew what really happened, they're making the assumption that if a rumor is spreading, you can stop it by simply saying, "No, that's not what happened." When have we ever seen that? If anything, contradicting a rumor only makes people double down on spreading the rumor!

[@georgenorris2657]

Some very interesting ideas Dr Tabor! Thank you very much. I personally stopped trying to make the resurrection an historical event many times but could never square the actual story in my own mind. Stuff by Karen Armstrong and Dominic Crossan helped me see that the actual historical event is not essential to being a Christian. His theory was that the introduction of Joseph of Arimathea may have been an attempt to make the actual disposal of Jesus´ body in a communal pit then covered with quicklime by the Romans less degrading but I can see how your reading is plausible. My present approach rests mostly on the psalms and the writings of Isaiah and some of the other prophets where I find all that I ever need to know about how the faith of the Jewish disciples became enkindled once they finally piece together the death of Jesus with the Old Testament scriptures. In my view the whole Christian story (including the Trinity) lies in the Old Testament in astonishing ways. There has always been so much in the gospels that has troubled me my entire life and I am sure that this must be very common amongst even the most convinced Christians! And as to Paul . . . . .!!!

[@spicyroads]

Who was the guy in the tomb ? The ladies didn’t know him , but he sure knows a lot about Jesus sayings and friends

[@neclark08]

...perhaps "the young man" was an employee of Joseph of Aramethia, tasked with removing all evidence of J.A. having 'appropriated' the close-by tomb to stash J.H.C.'s corpse -- I can imagine his having a lamp of some sort -- the light from which made his clothing seem to 'shine' against the darkness. As for what he told the women, it isn't hard to imagine them understanding parts of his statement -- and misunderstanding others: The former: "You seek Jesus -- he is not here..." but only part of the latter "...he has been taken up..." -- not registering "...to My Master's family tomb, at, ___".

[@TorianTammas]

@spicyroads - The person is that invention of the author who was not sure that his audience understand the common greek trouoe of the emoty tomb. Everz greek of the time knew that an empty tomb meant one became a god. We have a lot of stories were this trope appears.

[@thomasdeeley1963]

Prophesies state: the/ my Servant "...will not suffer corruption". ? !

[@cynthiawones8174]

@@thomasdeeley1963Can you share the “prophesies” to which you refer? I know I’ve heard of that repeatedly in my life, but please be specific.

[@sarahsmileseriously]

Thank you, Dr. Tabor

[@mynorgonzalez2625]

I always asked myself, if Jesus rose from the tomb physically why didnt he showed himself to the Jewish authorities? That would be the answer to everything and we wouldn't have all this mess right now.

[@pl574]

It wouldn't have mattered. They'd have just tried to kill Him again. They'd started planning to kill Him the first time right after He'd raised Lazarus from the dead, so they wouldn't have been impressed with another resurrection.

[@catholiccharismaticrenewal7879]

They even wanted to kill Lazarus after Jesus raised him from the dead 😢

[@mynorgonzalez2625]

@@pl574 If Jesus claimed to be the awaited messiah and rose from the dead glorified, who wouldn't believe him??? It just doesn't make sense.

[@mynorgonzalez2625]

@catholiccharismaticrenewal7879 according the gospels Lazarus was resuscitated again in his human nature, but Jesus rose from the dead with a glorified body and nature. What greater sign that that to proov the religious authorities wrong?

[@catholiccharismaticrenewal7879]

@@mynorgonzalez2625 To those who believe, everything is possible. To those who do not believe, nothing is possible. Jesus predicted that this would happen in the story of Lazarus the poor man who died and went to heaven. The rich man, who ignored Lazarus throughout his life, also dies, and being in flames begs Abraham to send Lazarus to his brothers so that they don't end up like him. ... Jesus ends this story with, "even if someone should rise from the dead, they still won't believe." Luke 16:19-31

[@Veegan4theanimals]

Great videos. Thanks Dr. James.

[@brucefielder9312]

Given your explanation of what Jesus' resurrection was and how it is not a resuscitation of a corpse, what do think about the resurrection of Lazarus at Jesus' command?

[@mynorgonzalez2625]

He was revived not resurrected. Though biblically it's exposed both as resurrection

[@brucefielder9312]

I don't agree. Lazarus had been dead long enough for his decaying body to start to smell. That would be more like a bodily resurrection than a revived body. I hope Dr. Tabor weighs in on my question. @@mynorgonzalez2625

[@thomasdeeley1963]

Thanks for reply👍Yet,Your reply ignores your videos stating 'Re-bury' & Yeshua' "Family Crip" includes Yeshua 'Box' does it not ?

[@CJAndrew-n7w]

Lazarus was never raised from death. It's a tall tale myth...like most of the "gospels"

[@ChristopherWentling]

So Joseph never told the mother of Jesus or any of his family, “I put him in a tomb right over there.” I think your friend is correct.

[@thomasdeeley1963]

Isn't there prophecy that this/My Servant would suffer No Corruption ? ! Corruption !

[@PC-vg8vn]

@@thomasdeeley1963 His body would not decompose. It didnt.

[@BillyYonaire]

Amazing critical and scholarly synopsis

[@sandradkennedy]

Tunnels are easily forgotten, out of sight out of mind. That's how to move anything in secret 🎉

[@michaelsmith9453]

"Returned to their home" doesn't necessarily have to mean their permanent residence in the Galilee, as many would be residing in or near Jerusalem for the Passover (Nisan 14) and Unleavened Bread/Firstfruits (Nisan 15-21). "Their home" could most likely be referring to their temporary residence during the Moedim/Feasts.

[@vishyswa]

When are you going to explain for all of us the Shroud of Turin?

[@fgcbrooklyn]

Just one question, or maybe a request for clarification: how did Mary know where Jesus's tomb was? She went there when it was still dark, which means she must have been with Joseph and the burial party the day before. Is there any indication anywhere that this was the case? Absence of proof is not proof of absence, of course.

[@Steve-u9k4p]

Still think Mary Magdalene saw the risen Jesus in Jerusalem (multiple attestation) and the disciples didn't believe her until they experienced him in the Galilee later (the male disciples were mourning for a week as in the Gospel of Peter's ending). Mary's vision seems visionary (ex. she doesn't know it was him until she hears a voice). Why would the male disciple believe her until their own experiences in Galilee?

[@jamiefaucett7216]

Amen ....and Saul of Tarsus did not turn his entire life around and then suffer and die for Christ after persecuting Christians because he had some kind of hallucination.

[@anthonypanneton923]

@@jamiefaucett7216 I have a friend who in 1970 took too much LSD and had a vision of Jesus. To this day, he swears that he saw and had a conversation (out in the middle of the street in the middle of January at 3am in his bare feet and a tee shirt) with Jesus, and that it was the most real thing he ever experienced. Was that real, or a hallucination?

[@stechriswillgil3686]

It seems that way on the face of it. But he realises something : that in order to propagate a large following he has to claim that the ' resurected' Jesus has spoken specially to him. This is highly significant because that Jesus and what he says can speak to non Jews or gentiles. That would surely be the point of the resurrection? Up until Paul, there was only a small group of Apostles hiding around talking about the Jesus they knew. Paul could be an opportunist who repurposed the story to gain a following and donations and board / lodging everywhere. In any case, it's not until Constantine 300 AD that it really takes off and then the King James Bible 1500 AD !! Both men had ulterior motives.

[@Steve-u9k4p]

Ty for comments. I believe the earliest version of Easter goes from Jn20; 1-18 rather than Dr. Tabor's thru only verse 10. Would also add Jn 21; 1-8 for later appearance to Peter in Galilee over a week later.

[@erinaltstadt4234]

Thank you

[@ferrantepallas]

I find this analysis -- and I am an agnostic -- woefully wanting.

[@davidgould9431]

Josephus was not a "contemporary Jewish historian" (0:50): he was born in 37AD and was writing 40 years later.

[@koltoncrane3099]

Well you’re right he lived later. But I’d say he’s a contemporary historian cause isn’t he the only Jewish historian around that time with records that still exist? If you’re the only historian with works surviving it sounds okay to say contemporary. But didn’t Jesus apostles also allegedly write years or decades after the events? So while the apostles were there were they actually contemporary writers if they wrote decades after Jesus death?

[@koltoncrane3099]

You’re basically saying the apostles aren’t contemporary Jewish historians either if they actually wrote down their book decades after Christs death even if they were alive with Christ.

[@smokydogy]

Josepheus also doesnt consider Daniel a divine text, he is doubtful of much of the bible which is worth considering when people cite him as a source they hope you dont know this.

[@terryhunt2659]

@@koltoncrane3099 The canonical Gospels (and 'Acts') were not written by anyone who had known Jesus - their texts are anonymous and the titles "Gospel according to . . ." were (a) alluding to traditions _thought_ to have been handed down within congregations ('churches') they had founded, and (b) only applied to them around 180 CE by Irenaeus, who was guessing. The Gospels were written between at the earliest 70 CE ('Mark') and as late as 110 ('John'). References to them in the 120s CE do not attribute those names to them, while at the same time referring to different works attributed to the four that have not survived (the description and quotations from all the works in question make this obvious).

[@ApPersonaNonGrata]

Earliest followers and writers "the empty tomb did nothing to make us think Jesus had came back from death. Such a thought process would be so irrational that none of us even considered it." Later apologists "Even the earliest followers and writers realized that someone discovering an empty tome is tantamount to watching him ascend from death. Only fools would question this logic".

[@realDonaldMcElvy]

INB4 Every Apologist!!! Jesus is Lord

[@EvilXtianity]

Jesus is fictional.

[@DetVen]

​@twitherspoon8954 Nobody with a brain disputes Jesus's existence. You can argue if Jesus was the Son of God or not, but not his existence.😅

[@EvilXtianity]

@@DetVen _"Nobody with a brain disputes Jesus's existence."_ Oh. So provide the single-best evidence you have that Jesus existed.

[@StorytimeJesus]

@@DetVen "What really happened" should at least take into account where the gospels get their 'crucifixion of the king" storyline from. The Book of Jesus (Joshua) chapter 10

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@EvilXtianity So are the images on his burial shroud. But, strangely, anyone can see them.

[@georgehart8179]

I think John only recorded what he personally saw or heard, except he accepted the testimony of cousin of Malcus (whose ear Peter cut off) who accused Peter of being one of those in the garden of Gethsemane, and John also heard the testimony of Mary Magdalene that the tomb was empty and ran to see if tomb was empty.

[@georgegrubbs2966]

I wonder why the women weren’t told where Jesus’ body was taken for permanent burial. It seems to me that Joseph would have known that they needed to know.

[@PC-vg8vn]

because his body wasnt moved to a 2nd tomb so there was nothing to tell. Tabor is wrong.

[@markjessop8094]

One thing I've never understood about the transfiguration..... How do the disciples know it was Moses and Elijah? They surely had never seen them.... There cannot have been photographs.... Sorry to bring this up but I've not heard this point mentioned before.

[@nubtube7313]

In truth, scholars don’t actually know the original source of the gospels, who wrote them, or exactly when. In his own words Dr. Tabor admits that dates assigned to the gospels are arbitrary. Were the events surrounding Jesus being recorded, and then later compiled into what would become the gospels? No one knows, but if human psychology and behavioural science are any guide then it is likely that 12 people witnessing miraculous events that were attracting larger and larger masses of people over an extended period of time would have wanted to documented them in some way. That being said, no one knows for certain. I respect Dr. Tabor’s opinions and enjoy listening to him speak, but find a lot of his theories to be completely without merit and even nonsensical. I suspect what makes his theories believable to some is the way he weaves factual elements into the stories he tells. The well understood trick is to blur the line between what is factual, and what is not so that the viewer/reader doesn’t notice the transition from one to the other. For example Dr. Tabor used archeological evidence on how crucifixion was performed to support his theory of the empty tomb in another video. HIs theory is largely unsupported, but the archeological evidence of how nails were used help give it the appearance of being credible. Here Dr. Tabor refers to Jewish customs regarding burial before sunset at the start of Passover to give his theory credibility. Tombs themselves were not constructed with the concept of emergency burial in mind, and the text from John 19 does nothing to suggest they were. John 19 simply gives the reasons Jesus was buried at that place. As for Joseph of Arimathea, he took the responsibility to see that Jewish customs were respected and according to the text that is what he did. There is nothing to suggest anything else happened other than Jesus was buried in a garden near the place of crucifixion. And further testing Dr. Tabor’s theory with more questions only reveals how weak it is. For example Dr. Tabor sees Joseph of Arimathea as respecting Jewish customs, but then believes he would deprive the family of performing the final burial rights by moving the body without telling them? I could continue with dozens of questions, but to take this to its final conclusion Dr. Tabor wants his followers to believe that none of the 12, or Jesus’ own family knew about the secret tomb while they were alive, but they would all somehow find it as a final resting place? I’m assuming this is his lead-in to the Talpiot tomb story. The word “THEY” does not have to mean the burial party! The word “THEY” can also be used if you don’t know who is responsible, which is how the text reads. The assumption the group of women are making is that because the tomb is empty someone must have taken the body. The word “THEY” could simply be a reference to whoever was responsible even though they don’t know who it is. So Dr. Tabor’s assertion that Mary was thinking of Joseph of Arimathea is completely unsupported. And a group of women assuming someone took a body because a tomb was empty proves nothing. In fact it makes Dr. Tabor’s story even less credible because if the group of women assumed it was Joseph of A. they would have simply asked him. And assuming something implies you don’t know the thing you are assuming. Not many people in the scientific world use assumptions to prove a theory, but in Dr. Tabor’s world it seems to be the method of choice. It’s worth noting that all of Dr. Tabor’s theories are based on his assumption that none of the spiritual components of the Jesus story are real. Dr. Tabor simply cherry-picks sentences from the texts to twist and turn them into his own version of the truth. For example, Dr. Tabor sees the last two paragraphs of the lost Peter text as providing a sobering and real account of what happened Easter Sunday morning, but sees everything else amounting to little more than an apologetic afterthought with supernatural embellishments. By stripping away large parts of a text, Dr. Tabor is able to transform the meaning of his hand-picked text into something more suited to his theory without the viewer/reader realizing it. By embellishing parts of the gospels the church itself is responsible for doing more harm to the story of Jesus than any other entity, but this shouldn’t mean it gives biblical scholars a license to add further insult to injury. Dr. Tabor’s characterization of Paul is the perfect example to his method. Instead of trying to understand Paul as a Pharisee living in 1st century Judea who underwent a dramatic conversion of his own beliefs, Dr. Tabor frames Paul as someone who simply thinks he saw God. It is of course an excellent and fair question, what exactly did Saul/Paul experience? Maybe another excellent and fair question would be what do Paul, Muhammad, Constantine, Bernadette Soubirous, Lucia dos Santos, Francisco and Jacinta Marto have in common? All of these people claim to have had some sort of supernatural experience that would dramatically shift the focus of their lives. The point here being biblical scholars aren’t able to provide more definitive answers to something that occurred in 1917 then they are to events in 30 CE. So Dr. Tabor, do you think you know what really happen on Easter Sunday?

[@davidm1149]

The names of the authors are encoded in the texts - the Pisos Flavius family. I saw a video by someone who showed the numerology involved. BTW, your comment is longer than ones I usually make.

[@nubtube7313]

@@davidm1149 sorry not a numerology guy, but thanks for the comment. And sorry for the long comment, but there really is so much to unpack in Dr. Tabor's videos. But I do appreciate the interesting space Dr. Tabor has created even if I don't share most of his views.

[@davidm1149]

@@nubtube7313 I understand about numerology, but it's "gematria" (the science of numbers). Those who wrote the books of the bible were very aware of it, it's throughout the scriptures - 144,000, 12, 7, 3, Enoch lived 365 yrs, 12 disciples/12 months, 12 "tribes", 24 elders, Tribe of Judah - 186,400 (Num 2), "speed of light"/"children of light", Nebuchadnezzar's figure 600 cubits tall, 60 wide (660 of 666), Solomon's yearly tally of 666 talents. All through the bible. There's far more than I described. Bible speaks in symbol + allegory, it's not literal. "Behold we speak these things in a mystery".

[@Nocturnalux]

They miss that it is irrelevant. An empty tomb does nor a resurrection make. In any other context, they would never jump to that conclusion or even float it as a possibility.

[@Harrydec]

Thank you Dr. Tabor. Since I read your books The Jesus Dynasty and Paul and Jesus, I haven't stopped reading and listening to you. I still have a lot of questions and still believe I'll meet with you someday and ask all of them.

[@longcastle4863]

This does make sense to me and could quite possibly be what happened. If only we could find the place where Joseph of Arimathea lived or had his family mausoleum and then look there for the bones of one who had been crucified.

[@RandyReneau]

The stories of the gospels if they were some forty years or later, the reason in time is reason that the gospels were stories heard by the authors of the four gospels.

[@of9490]

Would that law about taking him down apply to someone who "broke the law" with punishment by death?

[@andumenged]

Interesting but this raises some questions. First, why would Joseph of Arimathea would rush to move the body of jesus on saturday evening/night when even the closest relatives waited until suday morning? You also went extra mile to change what the two men said to the woman. They said he was resurrected but you changed it to “taken away” to fit your conviction. And we know jesus debated with the sadducies about resurrection. Resurrection means bodily resurrection not some vision. So how come the disciples were so convinced jesus was indeed raised from the dead? Your attempt is creative but I think it lacks evidence that Joseph took the body on saturday night and doesn’t explain the emergence of the christian movement without the disciples believing jesus was indeed raised from the dead. We in the modern world don’t believe in miracles and mostly read our biases back to the texts. That’s what’s obvious here.

[@dale1963.]

This ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. I have been saved and have had many miracles in my life and 3 times had the Holy Spirit baptism which was just like in the Pentecost of the book of Acts except I didn't speak in tongues but I had euphoria and a warm glow from head to toe and I staggered back to my seat and it was real and lasted until the service was closing two more times many years later power of God came onto my face and hands and have had many miracles including my son was overdosed on fentanyl and I was there by myself and didn't have a phone he was turning blue it took me a long time just to get him in the floor to do CPR which I was doing wrong and finally I did one thing right I said " Lord I need your help" anyway I finally realized I can call 911 without service and they sent EMT but he was dark blue or purple from head to chest and they arrived and began to work with him and gave him a shot of the antidote and nothing but they asked me to leave well I started talking with a gentleman on the front porch and I would not let doubt enter my mind and we just started it and a little while later he said well I looks like he's up and I can get his records to prove because he was dark blue or purple for about an hour at least 45 minutes and that is the truth.

[@smokydogy]

@@dale1963. Amen and praise god, our messiah

[@44hawk28]

The jews Had a practice of keeping holidays from occurring two in a row. Passover that week was on thursday. Allowing only friday for them to gather the spices needed to prep the body that they weren't able to do on wednesday. But there was not enough time before sundown friday which became the sabbath at sundown. That's why mary, Not the mother, Was doing her wifely duties by checking on the body and preparing to do the burial preparation. That was the entire purpose for her going. And finding the empty tomb

[@TheZashababy]

A short time before the resurrection, Jesus raised Lazurus from the dead. Was that something different than what Jesus did afterr his death? Why was everyone so sad and not believing that he rose ffrom the dead. It seems like it should have been expected after seeing what happenedd at Lazurus' death . Wasn't there a an accusation made that he raised someone from the dead on the Sabbath? I''m confused by hat the difference would be. Back to Lazurus, are there any texts that tell us about what he did after he was raised? I wonder why those three were not mentioned as being in at any of the events of the stations of the cross. Sorry this is so long. I've had these questions spinning in my head for a long time. I hope there is an answer to these questions

[@longcastle4863]

You raise excellent questions, imo.

[@SirTristan50]

It does say “a” rock hewn tomb. Not “..in his rock hewn tomb” I always wondered that. Unless both the crucifixion and burial was done on private property. Maybe at a cemetery?

[@brentkrohn3786]

👍👍👍

[@Nogill0]

A sticking point for me is the "anointing". Plenty of scholars claim that the practice was NOT customary, was NOT done after burial, and when it was done, women would NOT have done it. In this case it seems to be nothing but a plot device to get someone to the tomb in order to discover that it was empty. And the author of Mark might not have been all that familiar with Jewish customs or laws-- a Greek speaking outsider passing along stories he'd heard, with embellishments, which would describe all of the gospel authors. And all heavily influenced by Paul. Even including the non-canonical gospels, what we have is probably only a small surviving sample of all the more or less fanciful written accounts in circulation in that time period.

[@UpAndRunning-xz6er]

The professor is crossing the line from historian to apologist.

[@thomasdeeley1963]

Psalm 16:10 & Psalm 9:17 Cynthia

[@davidbradberry7637]

No resurrection no "gospel".Then Paul, according to Paul received special revelation that only he was privy to. Secret wisom that only he possessed. What a con man!

[@nottwo]

That really denigrates the actual message. If some guy didn’t magically rise from the dead, then the good news about radical love doesn’t matter? That all men and women are sons and daughters of God doesn’t matter? That Jesus chose to willingly be tortured and executed to prevent all the negative karma that would come from choosing his own life? The literal resurrection doesn’t matter and the second coming is always happening. The saints and those who act as Christ are the actual second coming. If you don’t understand that then you’re just an idol worshiper.

[@Aksm91ManNavar]

This seems interesting. Got any reading I can do, or videos touching on this?@@nottwo

[@jorgeluizdebritojunior7755]

It sounds ironic to me you mentioning idol worshiping. Christianity does no less than idolozing Jesus. If you read the new testament progressively, earlier texts first, you see clearly the mythical expansion, Jesus gets ever more divine the later the texts are. He is supposed to be a perfect person. But if one reads closely,he was far from being perfect. A lot of his sayings and attitudes now sound dated, or even morally questionable. Like threatening people with the fire of hell, saying one must hate their parents, asking people to leave their families to serve him. His opinions about marriage and divorce. His forecasts of returning during the life span of some of the disciples. Assuming that he actually said or did those things, because we may actually never be able to differentiate between the historical person and the myth. Jesus is only perfect to the believer. Thats why he becomes an idol, because the believer considerer whatever he says as the ultimate expression of truth, but he is only a person that lived 2.000 years ago. His views are clearly not enough to cope with the moral challenges in the complex and diversity society we live in current times. For me, he is a person from history. Some of his opinions are interesting, others ate wierd and even imoral. I conceive as G’d an ideal of perfection we will never reallly achieve, although we should be always seeking, like the horizon. If you cristalize the truth in a person that lived 2000 years ago you are doing no less than creating an idol.

[@iwilldi]

Actually Paul is going too far... The resurection is not a statement, but rather it is a set of statements and whether some speculation created on top of a statement holds first needs to have that statement to be well defined. Yet Paul hardly defines the resurrection. In my view Paul appears unable in rudimentary logic. If tomorrow the world ends, why a gentile mission? It would take another 1450 years till Columbus set sail. So indeed there is a case for Paul the herodian con man. Mark attributes him with a legion of demons and you can read him as foaming epileptic after the pillars cleansed the christology by the help of law and prophets on mount Rebellion.

[@TorianTammas]

​@@nottwoMy dear friend Romans catch criminals and execute them. It is interesting the some people worship a dead criminak, bht be assured the Romans execute every oppositikn against their rule. So the guy Iesous had no choice as had the guy left and right of him on the pole (stauros).

[@thomaskittrell6550]

I find it fascinating that Jesus never told his boys that in the future one guy was going to show up with all the answers. Never a peep that what we are doing right now is irrelevant when Paul sets it Al straight. What say you?

[@nubtube7313]

This might be a case of "reading too much Dr. Tabor". You must have misunderstood something, because Paul didn't show up with all the answers. The story of Paul is more about affirmation then anything else.

[@thomaskittrell6550]

@@nubtube7313 that’s one way of looking at it.. there are a few more more. I’ll keep looking.

[@suuupsuuup1111swgoh]

If all the appearances were in the Galilee I wonder why the movement was based out of Jerusalem and when / why they went back and established the headquarters there.

[@nadzach]

I believe he was buried among the wealthy and wicked*. Joseph is described as being good--agatha. This, by definition, places him among the sons of God or the elohim. That leaves others buried there who would be the wicked. I would expect the wealthy to have elaborate tombs in a garden cemetery. *We are drawn by cords of love. The Proton Psalm tells us the wicked are those who want to cut that cord asunder.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The problem with Dr. Tabors' hypothesis is the "bloody" burial cloths. In Jewish burial law post-mortem blood issues have to be interned with their relevant corpse. That blood is regarded as "life-blood" and must stay with the dead body. Dr. Tabor's idea that the burial party removed Jesus' corpse from its bloody shroud, folded it up, and left it behind is not tenable.(16:30) This party could carry away a 170 lb. corpse but be unable to also remove three lbs. of essential cloths? Makes no sense.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@mick244 The images on his burial shroud show a body that weighed about that much.

[@cassandra5516]

They're not his own words or his idea, he read it out from the gospel of John.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@cassandra5516 John does not say that anyone removed Jesus' dead body from its tomb. It only says that Mary M. assumed that someone removed that body. However, Peter and the other disciple noticed that the linen cloths were still in the tomb, and they knew, that according to Jewish law, those cloths would have been taken along with the dead body if anyone had carried it away. It is instructive to note that the other disciple "saw the linen cloths lying on the round, but did not go in." But when that person did go in (after Peter) "he saw and believed." So what did he see that caused him to believe? He had already seen the cloths lying on the ground. Did he see the image of Jesus' face on the shroud? In the first century the images of Jesus' corpse could nto be directly mentioned for two reasons. One, images of humans, dead or alive. were illegal in first century Israel, and, two, these images suggested that the corpse of Jesus had vanished and that vanishing, in turn, suggested his ressurection. The Jewish authorities would have put a price on this miraculous relic.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@mick244 Thanks for your reply. My opinionis that the images on the shroud are not "questionable" as they have been intensively researched by competent scientists. Furthernmore, Jesus predicted the images of his corpse on the Shroud in Matthew 12 where he defined the Sign of Jonah by a prophecy of his less than 72 hour burial. See: "The Enigma of the Sign of Jonah," BSTS Shroud Newsletter, Summer 2023, no. 97.

[@TorianTammas]

​@@jeffreyerwin3665 The Romans woukd have hunted him down if he appeared again in person and kill him. As this is roman-greek literature greek authors wrote in greek for a greek audience and used the common trope for a risen god the empty tomb.

[@johncollier7419]

Love your work, Dr. Tabor. One question on this video's topic: Why didn't the disciples or the family just go ask Joseph of Arimathea where the body was, since he had arranged the temporary burial?

[@TorianTammas]

Because the author invented a fictional character. What you read is greek-roman literature. You ask in the story of Robin Hood why little John did not ask brother Tuck. The answer is the author did not invent it. The stories abiut Iesuos are written in greek, by greek authors fir a greek audience. Tis is fiction.

[@dirtypickle77]

​@TorianTammas, yep bout sums it up.

[@terryhunt2659]

Because they were all in hiding from the Romans and the Sadducean Temple guards, who were probably (they thought) out to arrest and possibly execute them, too. They had, after all, just participated in a failed coup. Joseph, an apparently disinterested senior Jewish government figure in the 'party' opposed to the Saducees, could openly make requests to the Romans prevent a breach of Jewish law (a body unburied during a sabbath) leading possibly to further public unrest.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

Dr. Tabor, with all due respect, you are stating your theory as fact when the Bible makes no conclusive mention of a second tomb, and it seems that the burial cloths would have accompanied the body of Jesus if it were transferred. They certainly wouldn't have transferred him nude. Why would they leave them behind? It doesn't make sense. But it does make sense if it's to prove to his followers that he had risen, not his physical body, but his spiritual body. As far as his physical body goes, I believe it magically disappeared during the night via God. Enoch magically disappeared so why not Jesus? Joseph of Arimathea would have had to have found another empty tomb and gotten permission from the owner of said tomb, which seems to me it would have taken time and would have been easier to take Jesus' body to the final tomb to begin with. The young man who spoke at the tomb was obviously an angel. The Bible speaks of angels as being Men in various accounts such as Abraham and Lot. Why else would a random young man be hanging around the tomb and a dead body unless he was an angel of God? And how would he know that they were to meet Jesus in Galilee? Jesus wept over Lazarus Knowing he would raise him from the dead. So of course, Jesus disciples wept as well. The disciples also didn't seem to know that Jesus would die, so why is it so shocking that they didn't initially realize that he had risen from the dead?

[@nubtube7313]

I just want to thank you for such a well written reply. Seriously,... thank you!

[@sunnybrave7221]

There were other men crucified at the same time as Jesus. Wouldn't they also be placed in the same temporary tomb.

[@ejmassoud]

Josephus while being escorted out of Jerusalem by his roman captors beg to spare his 3 friends (rebels) that were being crucified. One out of the 3 survived. Joseph of Arimathea beg the Romans to spare Jesus who was in middle of 2 rogues (rebels)..the similarities are so transparent.. this same Josephus has so much in common with Saul, aka Paul having same secretary Ephaproditus, they both travel on same ship to Rome to face Roman authorities, both were shipped wreck etc.. this Joseph of Arimathea has obviously knows the resurrection facts but it's obscured just as there was no town in 1st century Palestine called Arimathea. 🤔

[@donaldcarpenter5328]

Josephus is another LIAR!

[@carlanderson2468]

How would the women roll back the stone themselves and ritual washing happened before the burial and done by men if I'm not mistaken 🤔

[@johanaberg173]

Isn't it possible that Mark's original gospel had another ending, which was removed and then replaced with the new? And that the original ending teiis that the disciples went to Gallilea and there had strong visions of Christ, like Paul had on the way to Damascus? A strong vision serves well as a foundation of faith. And Jesus could not have gone to heaven in a body of flesh and blood. "We will nor all die, but we will be changed. ... Flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of Heaven."

[@bob___]

You know, the identification of medical death was much more difficult in the past, even in the 19th century and certainly in the 1st century. In the narrative about Lazarus, when Jesus hears that Lazarus has been declared dead, his reaction (including what seems like relief at hearing that Lazarus had merely been laid in a tomb) would be consistent with a concern that Lazarus was medically revivable. Jesus's presentation of his wounds to Thomas would be consistent with all of this, though there is no reason to believe that the severe injuries from an incomplete crucifixion (it takes much longer than three hours) would ultimately have been survivable over the medium term with the medical art of the time. The "angels" at the empty tomb could (in this admittedly heretical reading) have been physicians who had attended on Jesus.

[@michaelburton6053]

Dr. Tabor’s explanation is plausible. However, there are some things that don’t make complete sense. It would seem like they would have taken the clothes, it does seem like Joseph would have told people he moved the body, I think it would also seem likely that Joseph would have arranged to have the ritual anointing with oil and spices completed before burial, as Dr. Tabor is basing a lot of this possibility on Jewish ritualistic practices. These are all things that don’t completely add up, but the explanation is still plausible. And I think while there may be questions here……I think we can appeal to Occam’s Razor here. Tabor’s position requires a lot fewer pre-suppositions than a fantastical, magical story that was developed over many years with different iterations, many conflicting accounts and the requirement to accept occurrences that defy not only natural law but all human experience.

[@shaunwilliams3464]

It sounds very plausible, what you say. But there are a couple small pieces that don't connect in my mind yet. Mark using the word "risen", doesn't fit with his very objective narrative. It suggests more than a body being lifted up by a burial party. Also, wouldn't it have been important, in Jewish custom, to take the blood-soaked burial shroud to the new tomb too? Perhaps not. The gospels say that they clearly weren't taken by the burial party. Otherwise, Dr Talbor makes you feel like you were there yourself, as a witness

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Exactly. Dr. Tabor's hypothesis falls apart on the issue of the bloody burial cloths.

[@PC-vg8vn]

yes let's not let facts get in the way of supposed truth lol

[@terryhunt2659]

Mark did not write "risen" - a modern English word. He wrote in 1st-century Greek, in which the Greek word he used is wider in scope with different possible implications.

[@torbreww]

James Tabor picks out all supernatural elements from the story, rearranges it, and then says it is proof that nothing supernatural happened.

[@nadzach]

The disciples had previously scattered, each to their own families. John is the most likely candidate for the disciple with Peter, because he had the ability to "outrun" coupled with the humility of stepping back. I can't see Thomas feeling a spirit. Nor is it necessary for a spirit to eat or rise visibly. Years later, Jesus would send the angel of his presence to John, while he remains in whatever is the dimension we call heaven. Mark is a new student with the minimal measure of faith. Each measure adds eyes to see and ears to hear. Faith comes before evidence. I wish faith could be passed on by sharing experience, but it isn't. One might run and tell Peter she saw him, but he did not believe her on her word alone.

[@SirTristan50]

So what if a crucified criminal was still alive as the Sabbath approached? (as crucifixion was designed to take days to kill a person)

[@douglasparise3986]

Why didn't the P harisees grill Joe of Arimathea to produce the body and end the Jesus movement 3:59

[@eeros1126]

The logic here is interesting, but some questions arise: Surely the family of Jesus would've been told about the new place of burial, and this knowledge would have spread to the disciples. If resurrection didn't require resuscitation of a physical body according to the believers in first decades after Jesus' death, the permanent place of burial would've had plenty of time to become a well-known, maybe even a revered place. This should've made the later development of fantastic empty tomb-stories more difficult. Why was it then so, that already in the gospel of Mark there is such an emphasis on the empty tomb that it becomes the core of the ending of the gospel? Why didn't the family of Jesus set the record straight?

[@TorianTammas]

The answer is roman-greek literature which uses the trope of the empty grave. This trope means one is ekevated by the gods or became a god. We have this many examples of that.

[@nubtube7313]

Because Dr. Tabor wasn't alive in 1st century Judea.

[@alfredo7843]

I love James Tabor but I find this hard to believe. The thought that Pilate would allow the body to be removed from the cross the day he died is hard to believe. Everything we know about 1st century crucifixions is that part of the punishment was that the victim did not get a proper burial. The victim’s body was left on the cross to be eaten by birds and other beasts. This would have been particularly offensive to the Jews and the Romans knew this. There's a lot in The Gospels that don't line up with realistic history of the 1st century.

[@TheDanEdwards]

I guess it comes down to whether we believe Josephus in this claim that Jews did take down bodies. This may be different than in other parts of the Roman Empire.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

For about 100 years Rome had puppet Kings in Israel and Judea who were purported to be Jewish. In an attempt to pacify the religious population, these Jewish puppet kings allowed their subjects to practice Jewish law, including burial law. That is why Joseph of A. could go to Pilate and request the corpse of a crucifixion victim. Money may have been involved, but probably would not have been recorded.

[@themanshan1]

I think if Pilate"washed his hands" of this trail of Jesus it seems reasonable to assume he is letting the Jewish leaders who demanded this crucifiction deal with the details here, including what to do with a dead body.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Especially if one was crucified for _crimen maiestas_ (treason, sedition, insurrection, and other high crimes against the state) as Jesus was.

[@waynewood8840]

Well, this would explain Joseph requesting the body…he was a man with high standing and I’m sure someone in position to request a JEWISH prisoner who had been executed. The political tides during this time required decisions to keep the peace among various factions, none of which welcomed Roman rule.

[@shanab1298]

I've recently discovered that it is forbidden within Judaism, even at the time of a Jesus, for a female to do the ceremonial washings for a man, especially if it was not her husband or son but definitely not just somebody that she was following only as a rabbi or teacher, regardless if she believed him to be the Messiah or not! This seems to discredit what the gospel accounts say about the women going to prepare jesus's body for burial. Do you think that it's possible that they overlooked the common practice that women were not supposed to touch men, even those men who had passed away?

[@terryhunt2659]

Mary Magdalene was his wife, though possibly unofficially as they may have been too far separated in social grade to be married officially. She was eventually interred in the family tomb in Talpiot, 2 miles south of Jerusalem, along with Jesus, his parents, his brother James, and Jesus and Mary's son Judah (who had died in childhood), plus four other relatives.

[@nubtube7313]

Mark 14:3 a women washes Jesus' hair with perfume.

[@dirtypickle77]

​@@nubtube7313that's not the same thing, it was forbidden for a woman to wash and annoit a male body and vice-versa. And also you don't bring spices for a body that has already been buried 3 days. Spices were done if you had to wait a spell before burial for the smell. Why Crack the tomb on day 3? For the cockroachs? How was she going to get the stone moved? This is nothing compared to the other 100 plus issues with the gospels.

[@Lucylou7070]

@@terryhunt2659 Never read that anywhere so where is the documentation please?

[@Lucylou7070]

But But But I thought Jesus and his disciples went beyond some of that. I thought there was a Mary who washed Jesus feet with her hair? Who prepared Lazarus body for burial? We only know of his two sisters.

[@liliankuhn4671]

Only 2 or 3 rolling stones have been found in Israel. Only kings or important people had the rolling stone in front of their tomb. Yeshua's tomb did NOT have blocks. The blocks were used to seal tombs of 'common' people.

[@Tracysbrokenwing]

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[@peterdedman6307]

Other essenes removed the body ...as they had different rites

[@tjohn6echo]

My theory is, Joseph might have arranged for Jesus to be brought to Galilee for burial. Presumably, he would have make such arrangement on the request of Jesus's mother. Jerusalem would have been too dangerous. Jesus's physical remains most probably still lies somewhere in Galilee, in some unmarked tomb.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

What Christian apologists have missed is St. John's detailed account of what happened when Peter and the "other disciple" reached Jesus' tomb. This "other disciple" saw the burial cloths lying on the ground from outside of the tomb. Peter also saw these cloths lying on the ground. Apparently, the corpse was missing. This must have seemed strange to Peter and his companion because, if the corpse had been carried away, the burial cloths would have been also taken. Why would anyone attempting to remove a bloody corpse unwrap it? Those cloths only weighed about three lbs. It makes no sense regardless of the requirement in Jewish law that post-mortem blood issues be interned with the dead body. It is reasonable to think that Peter and his friend would have been confused by this scenario. Then comes a very strange verse. The "other disciple" entered the tomb, and "he saw and he believed." But this disciple had already noticed that the corpse was missing. What could he have seen that caused him to "believe?" Was it the image of Jesus' face on the burial shroud?

[@robertdargan1113]

If you're referring to the image on the Turin shroud, it has been scientifically examined & considered to be created by Leonardo da Vinci! You can easily check this out on the web.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@robertdargan1113 TY for your opinion. The Shroud was publicly displayed in Lirey, France in 1357 and again in 1390. da Vinci was born in what year? BTW, the1978 scientific examination concluded that the images on the Shroud are not the work of an artist. What "science" are you referring to?

[@lannybackes1053]

Paul converts 4-5 years after Jesus death. Jesus tells his disciples he will not return "until that day" yet he appeared to Paul? What is Paul's account based on? This is perplexing. The gospels we have written decades if not centuries later. How accurate are the accounts? Luke for example, gives the account of the thieves on the cross and the one declares his belief in Jesus, and will join him in heaven upon death. But Luke wasn't there, right? And the other gospels don't give that account. Jesus sermon about the sheep and the goats in Mathew 25, contradicts Paul's iteration of salvation. Believe what you will, but be prepared to answer to God. Whether or not Jesus was resurrected, a physical being or in spirit only doesn't change anything about what he taught, or the miracles he performed.

[@onika700]

Lazarus was raised from the dead, but was not resurrected. He was still mortal. Jesus was raised from the dead with a glorified immortal body, but he told Mary not to touch him because he had not ascended to his Father yet. So, maybe he looked like a mortal at first and then was transformed later. Mark 16: 12 ¶ After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. So, he could appear in different forms.

[@sideburnsoldiers3349]

you do realize that the pharisees said"not on the feast day lest there be a uproar from the people", also you do realize both mathew says at the end of sabbath, and ill add that most literal translations mentions 2 sabbaths, the one starts sunday evenin, so theres no confusion as to this being late afternoon saturday, why is this important? because the cross was in 32 ad, he was on the cross wednesday and bt 3 passed, now count 3 days and 3 nights and before anyone says He passed on passover , how bout reading how the last supper was prepared on the 15th, the day after passover, in which the pharisees said"not on a feast day". i dont understand why people easily disregards whats obvious, u go to sunday mornin then u surpass jonahs sign, really, how hard is it to see this on a calendar?

[@TorianTammas]

Sabath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

[@sideburnsoldiers3349]

rt, and thers a sabbath on the 7th day of unleavened bread, which came at sunday evening(going by 32 ad on the calendar), is why i mentioned some "literal" translations mentions 2 sabbaths,making a distinction that this was on the end of the first of the sabbaths,one says "at its shining"whoile another says the eveening of"i think both smiths and youngs is written this way,thnks.@@TorianTammas

[@shrilreid3130]

I love your logic. Notice it only talks about the Apostles mourning. What do you think Mary Magdolin and Yeshua's family were doing. I think they met with Josephus and James chose a family tomb and they prepared him for proper burial. Why would Josephus not contact the head of the family later that day. Hence it makes your Talpot Tomb more likely.

[@AlbertIsraeli]

What’s the difference, brethren, what this genius, or for that matter, the whole world doesn’t believe the Gospel preached to us. We do know without a slightest doubt, that our Lord and Saviour, Messiah Yeshua, died on the cross (for our sins), according to the Scriptures, was buried and arose from the grave on the third day (for our justification), according to the Scriptures ? Those who deny the Gospel and teach others likewise, let them be unto you “accursed”, unless they repent.

[@peahummer2360]

Jewish people around the globe DENY the “resurrection” within their Torah found in Genesis 49:9-10, they are told of a "son of Judah" escaping the prey (at the cross) and having GONE UP? Again in their Tanakh in Micah 5:2-5 they are told, that out of thousands of Judah, from Bethlehem ONE SHALL COME forth to ME, (God Almighty) to be ruler in Israel. He gave them up 1991 years ago, when the woman NOW IN TRAVAIL brings forth, the gathering of the people will bow down to him. On that day, he will stand in the strength and majesty of the Name of the LORD, his God and from there be great unto the ends of the earth, and be the peace when Gog attempts to destroy the remnant brought back into the land, living safely in unwalled villages with neither bars or gates. Ezekiel 38:38:8-23 Time Counselor

[@dynomiteslim4590]

I don't know, but I would guess that rules concerning burial rites would take precedence over holy day restrictions. Surely there must have been rules to deal with deaths during holy days.

[@onejohn2.26.]

Nothing overrides the holy days, nothing.

[@cassandra5516]

The rules regarding it are simply that- burial rites are undertaken when the holy day ends after sundown. It's different if someone dies *during* the holy day. Some things have to be done immediately.. much like a birth!

[@cassandra5516]

​@@onejohn2.26.Birth does. As does any life-saving measures that need to be undertaken.

[@onejohn2.26.]

@@cassandra5516 Yes I agree I suppose I shouldn't have enter that into my posting

[@dynomiteslim4590]

What puzzles me is that a nearby unused tomb would seem to be a rarity. This same situation of death conflicting with holy day rules must have come up many times. I'm sure there must have been some common, prescribed method of dealing with it. It's difficult for me to understand this issue without a better understanding of the religious and cultural aspects of these people at that time. @@cassandra5516

[@lindltailor]

Why do we assume Jesus' body would have been afforded traditional jewish burial rites? He was condemned a blasphemous treasonous enemy of the religious elite and the state, whom nobody in throngs would grant mercy, even apostles hid out of fear for their lives. They sent him through torture, mockery and a long slow death. Wouldn't he have been thrown into a mass grave? That's what they're doing today in Gaza to their enemies. I think we should assume the tomb scene was a late addition to Mark. We have proof it was done once, why stop there, especially when it doesn't really add up!

[@GoodGodFatherGGF]

Why the removal of the linens, only to fold them and leave them? Why bother folding up bloody linens? Why not take them with them for cleaning? Seems like a number of unnecessary conclusions to make when the inferred insinuation seems to be the simplest and most reasonable: a resurrection. Nice try, Tabro.

[@bobstrayer9004]

The simplest and most reasonable explanation is a miracle! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@GoodGodFatherGGF]

@@bobstrayer9004 did I stutter?

[@GoodGodFatherGGF]

@@bobstrayer9004 you don’t have to believe it. The question is, is that what the Gospel authors are communicating and believing? All indicators point to this as being the only reasonable justification for their narrative. Regardless of cynicism.

[@bobstrayer9004]

@@GoodGodFatherGGF Since there are zero examples of miracles EVER happening…and millions of mundane explanations…what makes the miracle the most probable explanation?

[@GoodGodFatherGGF]

@@bobstrayer9004 the miracle itself is up to each Individual to decide on whether it happened. The issue in question is the witness testimony and what they are testifying to. In the gospel accounts, the only clear narrative being indicated is a bodily, corporeal, real physical reanimation of a corpse. No matter how improbable, that is the testimony, and it is everyone’s own liberty to be convinced of the testimony. Other conclusions from the narrative require further testimony as to the details of that event.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Mark 15:43 & Luke 23:50 notes that "Joseph of Arimathea" was a member of the Sanhedrin. He would have taken the body to the tomb of the court, which, as chance would have it, was covered up by Hadrian's temple to Aphrodite and later on under the criminal Constantine partially demolished and incorporated into the first Church of the Holy Sepulchre. A team of archaeologists have demonstrated this.

[@ALEX-KYLE-g9]

where can I find more information about that? and how did the archaeologists determined Jesus was there if He resurrected?

[@TorianTammas]

It is pure fantasy as all we have are roman-greek literature and people who never read Homer, Euripides, Vergil and greek philosophy. The empty grave telks every second century grerk that one was elevated by the gods. It was a common trope.

[@apx8217]

Dr Tabor’s take on the resurrection body gives a very different reading to John 3’s ‘being born again.’ Jesus was born of water to Mary, and born of the spirit in an incorruptible body after his death. The argument for a new body instead of a ‘resuscitated corpse’ is further corroborated by it not being readily recognizable as Jesus to those who knew him well (ie Mary Magdalene).

[@TorianTammas]

Thank you for the insights in Harry Potter. You read a greek-roman literature which is as clear as glas for everyone who know Homer. Euripides, Vergil and greek philosophy. It is the jewish version of the merge gods of the time like egyptian-greek merge gods.

[@kenchambers5134]

Only they were not following Jewish Law in Crucifying them in the first place! Is there an example in your many years of study that suggests the Romans altered their Modus Operandi about Crucifixion only for the Jews? And Josephus a contemporaneous historian? What? "contemporaneous: adjective. con·​tem·​po·​ra·​ne·​ous kən-ˌtem-pə-ˈrā-nē-əs. : existing, occurring, or beginning during the same time." The baby Josephus was born years AFTER the alleged event and was not a witness to the events, nor did he write them during the man's life, ergo, NOT contemporaneous! Under a Sanhedrin death penalty what you said would be true, but, they did not put him to death. Moreover, Romans left corpses to rot and be picked on by carrion fowl as an added incentive to remain in line! Finally, Pontius Pilate was not known for his kindness, nor are there other examples of him relenting to the local religious authority on something Rome wanted to do, which was to stamp out all sedition.

[@belisarius2776]

If people saw Jesus ressurected in flesh and blood then i have one simple explanation. Didymus...identical twin

[@tractordriver8950]

Reviving back as a hologram is not in the scriptures

[@AvanaVana]

40:54 not much has changed in two millennia, then…

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Mark, in ch. 14 vv. 12-16, tells us that Jesus told his disciples to find a certain upper room and prepare for the Passover _while the Passover lambs were being slaughtered!_ Matthew (26:17-19) and Luke (22:7-15) are in agreement. The Synoptics have Jesus crucified on the 15th of Nisan, Passover Day.

[@onejohn2.26.]

The Passover Lambs were slaughtered on the preparation day , not on Passover day. the passover meal would have been held at sundown on Preparation day as Sundown begins a new day So those verses about the Last Supper being the Passover Seder really doesn't make any sense

[@brianum5]

Another hypothesis could be as well that the owner of the unused tomb had the body removed, as soon as possible, wanting it unspoiled. And yet another hypothesis is that another group, for fear that the disciples would use his burial place as a martyr’s tomb could have secreted away the body.

[@TorianTammas]

Fantasu invented characters have no motives. The empty tomb was a common trope in roman-greek literature for being raised by a god or becoming a god.

[@nubtube7313]

Not very likely that someone would move a body from a tomb without the family. And its even less likely the Jews responsible for the crucifixion would allow the body to be hidden and allow a Jesus has risen story, which would have been exactly what they would have wanted to avoid.

[@Mike-oj8xz]

Easter really?

[@studiodemichel]

It's interesting how Dr Tabor uses the texts to try to prove that the texts aren't accurate about the miracle of the Resurrection. It's simply one of many of the works of God. Those works are called miracles.

[@studiodemichel]

@@nealcassady-yn3bh I'm sure you and he have your "reasons." The truth is "the various endings" of Mark theory doesn't support the wider theory of "no miraculous resurrection." You guys can't even begin to date these texts without hypothesis and conjecture based on the non-miraculous underpinning of your thinking. It's a wonder you believe in God, at all.

[@studiodemichel]

@@nealcassady-yn3bh They were written after the Lord was taken up. That is undeniable. When they were written is a matter of discussion, but the strongest evidence is that they were written sometime within the 40 years after the Lord ascended.

[@nubtube7313]

@@nealcassady-yn3bh and how do you know events weren't being recorded in Jesus' time? When did Paul's conversion occur? When did Paul go to visit the so called pillars of the Church? We know from this that the idea of writing things down already existed with this group, so how do you know one of the 12 didn't record events during the period while Jesus was teaching? The simple truth is you can't dispute it either way.

[@studiodemichel]

@@nubtube7313 You're correct. However, the things that were written and published and are available today were most probably written after Pentecost when the Holy Spirit began directing the building and preservation of the Church and it's doctrines. We have them today because of God's interventions in the 1st Century church.

[@malreid749]

Read Barbara Thiering for the real story......

[@StorytimeJesus]

Jesus 10:22 Then [Jesus] said, “Open the mouth of the cave and bring those five kings out to me from the cave.” 23 They did so and brought the five kings out to him from the cave, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon. 24 When they brought the kings out to [Jesus], [Jesus] summoned all the Israelites and said to the chiefs of the warriors who had gone with him, “Come near, put your feet on the necks of these kings.” Then they came near and put their feet on their necks. 25 And [Jesus] said to them, “Do not be afraid or dismayed; be strong and courageous, for thus the Lord will do to all the enemies against whom you fight.” 26 Afterward [Jesus] struck them down and put them to death, and he hung them on five trees. And they hung on the trees until evening. 27 At sunset [Jesus] commanded, and they took them down from the trees and threw them into the cave where they had hidden themselves; they set large stones against the mouth of the cave that remain to this very day.

[@trishgoski4944]

With all due respect, do you deny the resurrection of Christ? What I heard presented here were theories regarding Joseph of Arimathea, eg., that he took Jesus’ body from the tomb. What actual proof do you have that he did that? Unfortunately, none, because there is no record of that. I love listening to what you teach but again,- with respect,- this is a theory and nothing more.

[@smokydogy]

He would laugh at you and say its not his job to tell you what is real and what isnt real its just his job to explain his theory lol and he is an atheist but wont admit it and gets mad if you try to get him to say it.

[@BenM61]

Nice try but I have another theory. What we get from the gospels is there was some sightings of Jesus after his supposed crucifixion. You claim the body had to be a spirit but I conclude Jesus had the perishable human body of flesh and bones. He did not die. Somehow he survived. Is that possible? The answer is yes. We do not know how but he survived. Quran 4:156 That they[the jews] rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge 4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: 4:158 Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise.

[@PC-vg8vn]

He died on the cross. Get over it. Then he was resurrected thus vindicating everything he said about himself. Muslims need to stop making up stories to try to explain away the truth.

[@BenM61]

@@PC-vg8vn Truth: God saved Jesus from his enemies. Period. You can take that to the bank.

[@PC-vg8vn]

@@BenM61 He was crucified and died so that sins could be forgiven. He was then raised from the dead. Without this event the world has no hope.

[@BenM61]

@@PC-vg8vn ‘without this event the world has no hope’. Nonsense. That’s what that apostate and enemy of apostles of Jesus, Saul the fraud, believed. Jesus never taught any of that nonsense and would never approve of what Saul had claimed about the death of Jesus. Saul made the whole thing up.

[@PC-vg8vn]

@@BenM61 Jesus: "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many", "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Paul is simply repeating what Jesus Himself said about his own forthcoming death.

[@xXJonnyJamboXx]

if your theory is true, why Joseph and Buni (Nicodemus) didn't try to stop the apostles to spread the resurrection lie? just theories...the shroud had also theoligical meaning like Marks mention from Galilee, otherwise the gospel of John wouln't mention that. the person in the shroud seemed not wrapped out of the shroud, it seemed that he left the shroud while still wrapped in it, like if the shroud was falling trough his body and still had the shape of his body , so it proved Jesus was indeed resurrected and his body was not stolen. The beloved apostle came to believe after he seen the shroud. you made the wrong conclusions of John 20..the shroud of Turin is maybe a witness from the resurrection event, the 3d figure is only 2mm in the highest micro fiber marked into the shroud, no painting or chemicals found or any burnings, only a event like the resurrection could explain that. and please don't answer with " c14 carbon test had proven that shroud is a fake". Even one of the professiors said later that they tested maybe a piece of the shroud which was flicked in the middle-age and requested a new c14 carbon data test, unfortunately he died a few month after that,- so the test never happened. In Massada a shroud was found which weave matched with the shroud of turin. I pray that you will have an encounter with the resurrected Christ. without the resurrection the Jesus movement would end up like the movement from Rabbi Schneerson, who also was proclaimed as Messiah. but also he got killed. and some of his disciplines waited 3 days in he hope that he got resurected from the dead. today no one from his earlier disciplines believed that he resurrected, the movement end up. With Schneersons dead all ends. But not with Jesus, because he really resurrected

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The so-called "resurrection" did not really happen. On Sunday morning the disciples found an empty tomb (except for the burial shroud and the face cloth.) That is not resurrection from death in the traditional sense. The dead body of Jesus simply wasn't there. It had vanished into who knows where. Subsequently Jesus appeared in a recognizable human form to his disciples which is similar to accounts of angels appearing in human form to people. That is not resurrection either. The combined incidents of a corpse missing from a sealed tomb, sudden post-mortem appearances, and instantaneous vanishings is without precedence in Jewish Scripture. Archaelogical evidence corroborates one thing: Jesus' bloody burial shroud shows no evidence that his corpse was removed by mechanical means. Its linen threads are not torn, and its blood stains are not smeared. This dead body seems to have dematerialized while it was still covered by its shroud, and, what is also very strange, is that images of the corpse were imprinted on the shroud. Also unexplainable is the evidence of a neutron radiation event which elevated this cloth's radiocarbon ratios. I like Dr. Tabor, but is a shame that he cannot seem to wrap his head around this marvelous archaeolgical evidence.

[@Aksm91ManNavar]

Thomas felt the holes in Jesus's hands. He was not an angel or spirit in that moment

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@Aksm91ManNavar That is consistent with OT accounts of angels appearing to men in human form.

[@KasperKatje]

​@@Aksm91ManNavarread the original of the gospel written first, Mark 16:1-8. No earthly reappearance and therefore not a single eyewitness so therefore no "doubting" Thomas.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

@@KasperKatje If the dead body could dematerialize, then it is reasonable to believe that the same person could rematerialize his living form.

[@KasperKatje]

@@jeffreyerwin3665 My point is that you can't have a first gospel with no eyewitnesses at the tomb, no earthly reappearance and therefore no further eyewitnesses and some time later an addition to the same gospel Jesus appearing to Mary Magdalene at the tomb and later to the disciples etc. And decades later another 3 gospels claiming the disciples witnessed the risen Jesus and different claims about whom were at the tomb and if they saw Jesus or not, guards or not, the number of angels, the tomb open or not etc. All these contradictions about the most important event in Christianity!

[@liliankuhn4671]

God would never allow Yeshua to be put in a used tomb. It had to be new. God is perfect & He had Yeshua's body put in the tomb that was never used. Yeshua is the Messiah who died for our sins.

[@kathyern861]

And for Easter 2024, your words are the gift from the devil. The devil always provides a gift for Easter for the believers in Christ.

[@amysmardz4842]

He does? Awww I only get stuff from the Easter Bunny