What Really Happened on Whitehall on St. George's Day: Citizen Journalist's First-Hand Account

On this episode of Deprogrammed, host Harrison Pitt of the European Conservative is joined by SDP London mayoral candidate Amy Gallagher and special guest Charlie Samson, political commentator and citizen journalist, who tells us what really happened when the police confronted English patriots in Whitehall on St George's Day.
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[@secretivescorpio891]

I can't help thinking you are muddying the waters so to speak. Was this a protest or was it a St. Georges day celebration?

[@user-pv7bo1zo4r]

A Group of my male friends go into London every year to celebrate St George’s day . These people were in London having a drink and enjoying themselves. It wasn’t a march or a protest so why were the police there. The Irish can celebrate Saint Patrick’s Day without all this fuss !! The English are getting to breaking point , we have men who have served this country sleeping rough yet thousands of undocumented men come here illegally and are put in a hotel. When are we going to put our citizens first??

[@markritacco270]

👏👏

[@Epicgeezer]

Another 700 arrived in just one day The government are allowing even more through the legal process- just handing visas out like confetti There is flaws and loopholes to get onto the UK with corrupt lawyers 💰 💵

[@EnglishFemale]

Exactly 👍

[@DarkAngel2512]

Incase people cause trouble or congest areas. There were ppl cauaing troubles plus the anti-English ppl could come there and cause trouble

[@jeanbrown8295]

It is a national disgrace,our county is being run by traitors

[@sharonmaddox3390]

I was at this gathering for st George's day. Im a retired NHS nurse who gave 42 years of service and retired burnt out. I have NEVER marched about anything. I was walking down the Road after meeting at trafalgar Square. the police then blocked the road with officers dressed in riot gear leaving no where to go i turned round to go back coming face to face with a police horse charging into our group walking to whitehall. i lost sight of my husband it was so scary. We have worked our whole life to become second class citizens in our own capital city a complete disgrace. My heart breaks for our once pleasant land.

[@julieclonan2427]

The Girls in Rotherham, Telford, Birmingham, Oxford, London would like Protection Too .

[@jonathanj.7344]

That would mean people being called racist.

[@Epicgeezer]

Don’t forget Newcastle Pakistani gru Ming gangs

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

And Derby

[@christinehomer2185]

Our flag was not racist then and it's not racist now.

[@skymanifest8339]

So what if it is? Stop internalising the Left's morality.

[@swordjumper]

Just voted for Amy Gallagher in the London election 😀

[@lasttango7522]

Good for you. She is a great woman.

[@Besseloff]

Cute nose

[@Camille_Anderson]

I just hope all the outsider candidates don't split the vote & that nasty man gets another term.

[@Pau-tc9wj]

She needs to stop using her hands while talking?

[@timwhittome9428]

Yay. Good to hear!

[@potkinazarmehr]

It was a day of celebration. No need for that kind of police presence

[@14Anon2]

The need is born from them wanting to dispossess you of your heritage and homeland.

[@JamesKing-ev1wc]

As a "canary in the coal-mine" e.g a working class white male, we did try to warn everyone for decades.

[@mik823]

You most certainly did but unfortunately for you you still managed to shit in your own nest of hypocrisy...

[@Epicgeezer]

What did you do? I don’t think you went out to protest? Especially if you’re white British

[@Bar_Steward]

@@Epicgeezer are you fkn serious? were you born yesterday? you need to pull your head out your aris and pa more attention.

[@JamesKing-ev1wc]

@@Epicgeezer Eh?

[@DarkAngel2512]

​​@@Epicgeezerhow would you know? Also other ways to inform people

[@Englandweloveyou]

You need to get Tommy on n this channel Peter, he’s loved by millions upon millions, it would make for a huge success and episode? Everyone saw how patriots are treated, compared to minorities and pro hamas lot. I’d love to see you bring Tommy Robinson on here, he’s platforms constantly growing and he would be a breath of fresh air to watch on here. 👏🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@evolassunglasses4673]

He redirects people's anger about mass immigration into support for Zionism. Zionism is the ultimate containment operation for White people. If more people had supported the BNP back in the day we wouldn't be in this mess. Tommy wouldn't even let the BNP leaflet Luton. He's a containment operation.

[@LeeGee]

Exactly.

[@craigdavis38]

Oh Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson 😊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧✌️

[@Englandweloveyou]

@@craigdavis38 👏🏻🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿❤️, we just need real political change next.

[@bordersforbritain1295]

Peter Whittle was not into criticising Islam once upon a time (Like Farage). Maybe he's too proud to say 'I was wrong'?

[@miriamcassidy5487]

Thanks to TR we know issues that no one else wanted to talk about a while ago. He deserves a lot more respect than what he gets.

[@14Anon2]

People were discussing this years before Tommy, they just get ignored because they are considered further to the right. If you like TR then fair enough but let's not pretend he was the first to be talking about these things.

[@douggraves4482]

If you throw things at the police you've gotta expect them to react???? Look at the recent Eid, "Celebrations"...the police didn't react and that, "Celebration" did turn into a riot and still the police didn't react.

[@ValTwineDeaner]

Hear, hear, so true

[@Camille_Anderson]

The Southall riots proved the police stood back whilst being attacked by the usual suspects, but where were the media reports of their terrible behaviour?

[@martynspooner5822]

If this two tier policing continues it will eventually go very wrong for the police. More and more people are becoming aware of what is happening and eventually their patience will run out.

[@14Anon2]

Eventually? Will that be when we are 50%? 40? 30%? People have been saying this for several decades. Other groups get a free pass all of the time because they either riot or they use their lobbying/financial powers to enact political pressure; the establishment don't care about empty threats.

[@oliveoil7642]

It’s not the police it’s those above who give the orders but sadly each individual will eventually have to make a choice according to their conscience as health workers did to take or not to take the jab to keep their job!

[@martynspooner5822]

@@oliveoil7642 Yes absolutely, it is the people that have manipulated themselves into positions of power and who have little respect for the rest of us, and see us as mere pawns in their game.

[@paulw9203]

I am a 68 year old English man I was there walking from Waterloo to where they was talking there was NO trouble, I WAS VERY PROUD being part of it 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇬🇧

[@samanthaostrowski6755]

I wonder how many police have young white daughters. They really need to think about this. It's their children's future at stake as well.

[@ElenaEsnozZabalza-pu5qd]

There once was an Britain in which just about everyone cared about all the daughters in Britain, and were everyday ready to protect them.

[@ElenaEsnozZabalza-pu5qd]

Oh, come on. They were ordered to do it! Even in Nazi Germany there were lifetime policemen who would refuse to do wrong to the honest citizen. There is no excuse beyond ignorance, stupidity, blind obedience, and bad faith, for police who act as they did on St. George's Day. They are supposed to serve the interests of honest citizens, not those of dangerous minorities, of the political class, or of the BBC. During WWII British soldiers refused illegal orders, such as firing on Japanese soldiers among crowds of civilians. The officers who gave such orders were recalled in disgrace. The same has to begin to take place in Britain today.

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

A lot of the recent leaders in Europe had no children at all so probably didn't care about the future. Most were very unpleasant people like mad Merkel and treason may

[@jenniferlawrence2701]

Sons aren't safe either.

[@johnmercer3571]

I left London in 2021 and my only regret is not leaving sooner. It’s an absolute s*** hole.

[@skymanifest8339]

And what happens when the enrichment reaches where you moved to? Are you going to move again?

[@Black.Sabbath]

@@skymanifest8339 It’s now come to the country, to the point where I’m thinking of moving to Londonistan if only to vote Sadist Khunt out.

[@davidreed9671]

Well done, as long as you didn't go to Bradford !

[@larrydickman5936]

What about diversity,

[@peterwright997]

Where I live now has a large number of ex Ghurkas and they hate the bringers of peace with a passion!

[@hudsoi]

As the Mayor of Englands capital city did Khan do anything at all to celebrate St Georges day? Just curious.

[@14Anon2]

Why would a second generation Pakistani muslim, who is mayor of a foreign majority city, celebrate the Christian patron saint of England?

[@LS-xs7sg]

We should make a self conscious effort to co-opt the language of the left. The English are a native people who are being colonised by the corporate colonial hegemony. We should march against settler colonialism and cultural imperialism.

[@Black.Sabbath]

It’s not co-opting. That is what those words mean. They have co-opted our language, along with everything else. Multiculturalism is a euphemism for colonialism.

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@Black.Sabbath I dont disagree. But then why do we use neutral words like "immigration" all the time? People dont even use the word "foreigner" anymore. If they control the words you use they can control the limits of your thought. I think a leftist would argue that it is not "settler colonialism" because a country has not conquered us and directly settled its people here. But places like Turkey & India definately see their diaspora as a power play. Erdogan talks about the importance of German Turks having lots of kids etc. The Muslims have a notion of the Umma and its political expansion across national boundaries which they dont really recognise. And foreigners tend to send remitances back home and influence our governments to give them and their home countries favourable deals. So though it is not as simple as other cases of "colonialism" I would still call it neo-colonialism or somesuch

[@user-bz4sy3gj4o]

@@LS-xs7sg more like invasion

[@jonathanj.7344]

People are more scared of being called racist than they are of losing this country. Especially, the respectable conservative middle class.

[@Epicgeezer]

@@Black.Sabbath Multiculturalism means anti British culture

[@louise7347]

Three FABULOUS young people. The future has hope. Thx, Harrison, for your excellent hosting of these important conversations.

[@GarrySayers]

I was watching mayher tousi live when they charged in, I think the reason the authorities are operating 2 tier is that they are scared of major clashes and losing control

[@mycatspethooman5590]

I watched a podcast (but for the life of me can't remember which one) and they said the police and government are too afraid to tackle the islamists because they're afraid it'll result in twrorist attacks and yes I'm aware I spelt that wrong I just don't want it being deleted by the woke you tube algorithm

[@emmastyles6936]

The whole thing was staged, a statement about far right given out, riot gear and then a 30 second clip sent out to all MSM within the hour.. to justify their previous statement. I watched the tousi tv coverage also and found it disgusting what the police did.

[@whylie74]

Control of what !? the narative? and they've barely any control of that anymore.

[@user-it7lf7kk8m]

I suspect that the met were miffed about losing the TR court case earlier that day, due to their incompetence and illegality and wanted revenge

[@DarkAngel2512]

​@@whylie74control of crowd congestion anf people kicking off. One boy yelled out xenophobic remarks about Palestine seconds before people barged thriugh police cordon. They didnt speak to police or go around another way. They barged them en masse so police naturally pushed back. Plus you have to think of anti-English protestors who may have turned up.

[@LeeGee]

Amy needs to have a chat with our Tommy.

[@afribeanner]

Tommy loves Isreal more than England. So do most of the right wing alternative media.

[@easytoassemble54321]

The solution for patriots on marches is to adopt the civil rights tactics. Nonviolence, even in the face of aggro. Eventually, the message will get through, as to who has the moral high ground. Also, Harrison's point about the middle-class conservatives' view of working class patriots is spot on. They often allow class snobbery to overshadow, what should be common interests.

[@johnmercer3571]

Is any other country’s flag anywhere in the world tarnished on the basis of accusations of racism.

[@14Anon2]

Only in Western countries.

[@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs.]

For what it is worth, it seems literally nobody believes the mainstream narrative, and they're furious at what happened. And the silence over what happened with Robinson is very telling. You don't have to like the guy to be very worried about what looks like (even to the magistrate who gave a rare written judgement worded very carefully) a police stitch-up.

[@Ubu987]

A stitch up to get Tommy unalived in prison by the peaceful ones, like what nearly happened last time. Judicial murr durr.

[@Anon784]

I’m a retired police officer and watching the arrest of Tommy Robinson outside the restaurant was horrifying. His rights were non existent and his arrest was pre ordained before the hordes of police officers even arrived at his location. To pepper spray a handcuffed man is an assault and I seriously hope that he’s considering suing the police officers involved.

[@CharlieSansom]

This was a great episode to be a part of. Thanks for having me on.

[@Besseloff]

Nice shirt

[@ddahodd7856]

'A great episode' I agree, not least for the funny moments - I laughed loud and hearty - your concise and lucid contribution; much appreciated. Harrison and Amy, as ever, exemplary in the creating and conduct of the piece, a good day for NCF. Thanks all round.

[@loopielou4426]

Tommy Robinson - listen to his Oxford Union address. Thats when you really get to know this man

[@14Anon2]

He's containment who only talks about certain subjects and throws everyone else under the bus. Even the things he does discuss, he was far from being the first.

[@Exotic3000]

OMG. You guys are awesome! ❤ Yes, please continue the fight to keep Britain, Canada and Co., from becoming George Orwell’s 1984. ❤

[@Mr_Subtle]

They spout the same talking points as the left. The EDL was referred to as racist. They accept the lefts narrative that the English flag was owned by the racist far right until it was reclaimed. Reclaimed by who? Oh yeah Tony Blair ffs. These are stupid middle class kids playing counter revolution and will quickly jump back to their middle class enclave when they get bored

[@debbielangton8371]

Muslims and shiria hate on women 😮

[@sonnytopboy4975]

Police with fairness something that has never happened in the UK

[@ddahodd7856]

Thank you Harrison/ NCF, for this fine piece, for this inspired content and delivery. The funny moments drawing loud guffaws and chuckles hereabouts. The brightness of Amy and of Charlie Sanson making for engaging and enlightening discussion. A good moment for NCF.

[@allenomalley4014]

No Russian ever called me gammon

[@pizzamad3334]

It's always a rotten lefty that does.

[@dopesensi]

The young man saying that 3 or 4 people throwing beer at the police constitutes a "riot" should go back and look at the London riots and think about his language.

[@casanova2232]

London is doooooooooooomed 😭

[@Epicgeezer]

Stand up fight back - our great grandparents did

[@trevorhoward2254]

I have attended two Tommy demonstrations, one in Manchester shortly after the bombing there, one in Whitehall while he was in prison. On both occassions I saw first hand how Police managed the events to deliberately cause trouble. The first, in Manchester, the Police withdrew from an area seperating us from the communist antis. There was a clash for literally a minute or so then the Police re engaged and pushed the two groups apart. Just long enough for the press to get their photos of "Violent Far Right Thugs". The second passed off peacefully until the very end. When the crowd came to disburse, Police in riot gear appeared from nowhere and tried to kettle us.They picked the wrong day and were fought back all the way from Downing Street to Trafalgar Square where thousands occupied the Square for several hours. It wasn't nice. I would much rather it hadn't happened but I am glad I wasn't kettled for hours for no reason. I knew then which side I was on. I had know for years but it was brought into sharp focus. I am on the side of my working class sisters and brothers and our interests are opposed by the state which does not represent us, which hates us and which will use its agents to harm us. Remember Hillsborough? Police stupidity caused the death 97 working class people. For another twenty years and more, the state and its agents told the world that it was the fault of working class people, that working class people robbed and pissed on the dead and dying and attacked those giving first aid. The state hates us and we know it.

[@saraa6040]

As long as we have individuals willing to communicate as coherently as yourself, there is hope.

[@trevorhoward2254]

@@saraa6040 Yours are very, very kind words, Sara, and I greatly appreciate them. My hope lies firmly with my class, We may be mostly uneducated but we are not stupid. Our lack of higher education means we are mostly free of the DEI/multy culty/anti white/anti British indoctrination used as control and to limit free thinking. I firmly believe that when push comes to shove (and it will) the working class will save this country.

[@saraa6040]

@@trevorhoward2254 I'm one of them Trevor. Thankyou for your swift response to my reply. Encouragement through reason. It all adds up........there's no room for complacency

[@trevorhoward2254]

@@saraa6040 I am glad to have met you here, Sara.

[@saraa6040]

@@trevorhoward2254 a random encounter when you needed something positive........the world works in mysterious ways. At the risk of putting you off, I think our thanks should be directed to a higher power.......I'm happy to pass them on if it's not a conversation you are comfortable with at this time. Keep posting See you on the battlefield, soldier

[@Northern-lass]

Thank you for taking your time to speak about what we have been upset ,please let me just tell you the reasons behind why we were all coming to the cenotaph , the day before I can't tell you what media company it was ,but in the background you can see a very old ww2 vetran, and he had his bag with his packed lunch and thermos with hot drinks and he had a garden chair with him ,wrapped up in alot of layers, they didn't even notice him sat as close as possible, and then the news presenter asked the guy to go and speak with him....when they were filming ,they said why was he there so early.....what what he said brought a few few of us to tears ,and that he'd seen the Muslim extremists getting up and spraying really horrible saying on it and he saw them standing all over it while they were actually burning our flags and the British police were just watching and doing nothing about it..but but he was not going to allow them to be doing anything or damage it when we will be having our soldiers families coming past tomorrow and they had lost their loved ones that is the only thing that they have left ,and that he had not going to allow them to stop the true duty and the people in the country need to start showing the respect s tha the blood and the lies and the young men who fought for the freedom's they are abusing and he and his own brothers ,his friends ...that to allow them to be doing anything they need to remember that's they are only in this country and behaving like a thugs....because of the boys and men who like it says they gave thier all so that we don't have to..and it was shared with us all ,and we decided that we would not let him do it alone ,so whoever lives locally would just quietly go to the cenotaph and then we who are living alit further away we do the logistics so food ,sleeping bags chairs etc and then drive down to London. .....so I can totally understand what you're being said, and they will not be showing the full details and the optics is bad..Thanks you take care , Anne-Marie H 🎉❤

[@rabmcleod3508]

Good evening everyone

[@GarrySayers]

Hello people new here

[@cassiopeia21]

Complaining about anti-white racism is like men complaining about anti-male sexism...even though it is obviously the most common form of institutional sexism, it's still gets laughed down and dismissed.

[@apebass2215]

I get the impression society is degrading both sexes - at least men aren't routinely referred to as "non-birthing parents" or "individuals with a prostate" (yet) I'm also not concerned about my son losing a sports scholarship to a cheating girl, or feeling threatened by a woman invading his changing room.

[@suemurphy9360]

But there is anti white. I was on a bus in London going home from work, and a massive black man starting calling me a white bitch, I had not said or even looked at him..and yet no one on the bus said a word..and I'm a woman in my 60's...what the hell is wrong with people nowadays...

[@cassiopeia21]

@@apebass2215 right, and you think that the trans madness is a "pro male" thing do you? Basically everyone is as against it as you, particularly those who follow channels like these. But affirmative action and dei policies, which have taken hold of absolutely everything, only seeks to reject, demoralise and gatekeep from one sex, male. The trans issue is a real one, and you will not find many who support any of it. But finding people who celebrate men being fired because it's "time for a woman for X role", well that's pretty easy.

[@Black.Sabbath]

Delusional victim wannabe.

[@user-bz4sy3gj4o]

@@apebass2215 they just might turn your son into a tr...s

[@Waywind420]

Don't forget that you've also been subjected to wealth redistribution for decades, with the middle income class (who are more likely to be white) generating the lions share of tax revenue which is then used to subsidize the living expenses of the lower income class (who are more likely to be non-white). It's like robin hood, but instead it's designed to inflict difficult living conditions for you (to prevent procreation) whilst creating easy living conditions for the new brits (to promote procreation). Quite literally, but indirectly, but fundamentally paying for your own replacement and so to the death of country, culture and identity.

[@ninjacostar3849]

" When your enemies are laying a trap, don't walk into it , I suppose " quote of the day, lol

[@steverobinson9763]

Perhaps the new culture forum should host Rommy Tominson

[@hazchemel]

How much of the city did they burn down? How many windows smashed, statues mutilated, cars destroyed, graffiti curses?

[@debbielangton8371]

We have no police ✍️🙌😎

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Thank you one and all.

[@deslarcombe3448]

Well done well said all. I do agree our strategy should not be triggered by impulse.

[@hamneggs345]

Hi 👋

[@the1beard]

Very good 👍

[@timwhittome9428]

Great show as always and good luck to Amy in the mayoral race! Zero Khan!!

[@tracypitchford6920]

I do understand what he’s trying to say. I said before the St George’s Day celebration that the people on the March need to have their eyes on swivel because the police would do something that would lead to a two second clip going viral. And of course I was proved right even on GB News, which is supposed to be on the right of the mainstream media they called this little snippet a riot and the people thugs and far right. So I do understand when he says don’t give them what they want. But then I also understand that is giving them what they want, by bending over and not doing anything. Because if nobody does anything then they will just continue to walk all over you, the police will continue with their two tiered policing. It’s a difficult situation, but we really do have to fight back against this nonsense. Take the cenotaph. For weeks the disgust was about the pro plasticine marches happening on armistice day. But after Tommy was arrested for eating breakfast and then pepper sprayed (since been absolved) all the media became about that. After the blm riots, the veterans came out to guard the cenotaph. I’ll never forgive what the police did that day. Riot shields, batons raised. Just for standing round the memorial. What was the headlines? Bloke had a pee near to Keith Blakelocks plaque. Don’t help ourselves sometimes

[@markritacco270]

It is a shame that we all can't get along much like "Love Thy Neighbour" by Thames Television for the ITV network.

[@cecilefox9136]

A very interesting discussion.

[@bordersforbritain1295]

2:19 Very confused here. She's thinking about the National Front (who marched with ranks of Union Jacks, not English flags). The EDL weren't formed until 2009, and were never associated with racism - unless you believe the media of course. The BNP were a legitimate political party which had electoral success. Did they ever carry flags at all?

[@TechnaFox]

These people must always slag off their own heritage to appear more "educated". Its BULL.

[@jamescoburn6789]

If MSM shows you cheese, you can conclude that is was originally a sofa.

[@mogznwaz]

I’ve not seen horses or riot gear routinely deployed against any group unless they’re white flag flying Brits

[@timwhittome9428]

Harrison is amazing - and in a great way!

[@anzackafir]

Good men & women & others have to fight EVIL, end of story or end of you

[@kron8418]

Why don’t we just change back to our true patron St : St Edmund and our Red flag with White Dragon 🐉

[@vesterwolfe2420]

When are the NCF going to interview Iommy, PJW or Katie Hopkins????

[@Ubu987]

KZbin allows you to type Rommy Toblinson's name now.

[@Camille_Anderson]

Katie is just a loose cannon who has tried to get into the media spotlight again, whilst saying anything for controversy. She is no political heavyweight and is disingenuous. There are more relevant & intelligent activists out there that won't use their platform just to court fame like her.

[@LucienCanon]

Neil Oliver too. Let's stick together

[@HallOshea]

Everything said in this conversation was on point, and fact . sadiq is to blame shame on him and this government for causing more radical divide and more aggressive behaviour

[@howard1beale]

Its as absurd as saying that celebrating 4th july in USA is racist. Or 14th july in france.

[@user-bz4sy3gj4o]

in Canada they celebrate all races and say celebrating Canada Day is offensive... left lunacy everywhere, they want to undermine all nationalism because the globalist psycho billionaires want the whole world under their control, large depopulation and the leftover small population as total slaves

[@JulieMalone-oy1ll]

Thats what the police wanted it, was all intentional, action speaks louder than words

[@bh_486]

Ellah Whelan, (from Spiked), on the same GB News section called TR a despicable man - with no pushback.

[@StuartHanson-fo7iw]

I’m disgusted with the politicians who have brought shame and instability along with ruination to my nation but that will never stop me from loving and protecting my native folk so they can try wat they want because it only makes us angrier 🇬🇧👍in fact,iv just ordered a load of union and st George flags which I will use to decorate my home , i think we are due a clear out but because people have responsibilities,they are too scared to cowed to do what is necessary,I never say never

[@charmianwalters7107]

By the way I am black British and proud.

[@debbielangton8371]

Ray Winston 😂 who's the daddy now 🤣🤣

[@littlefaith8740]

Threatening gear? That would be morris dancing outfits then....

[@SiK2712]

4:30 just to correct the record it was Geri Halliwell aka Ginger Spice who wore the Union Flsg dress during a Brit Awards performance😎

[@heathergulliver4346]

At Remembrance day at the Cenotaph the articles about trouble were written in advance and published in the Daily Telegraph within the hour. Prearranged!

[@anzackafir]

Tommy, Tommy , Tommy Robinson

[@traceyanderson4827]

With regards to the Cenotaph, Tommy hadn't even arrived there when the police, once again, tried to block the route, after previously sending people in that direction. Again, as on 23rd April, a bit of pushing and shouting, and the police removed the barrier. There will always be people who will be there to cause trouble, but it's not Tommy Robinson supporters. Look at every one he has held in Telford over the last couple of years.

[@terri8639]

How do you know they were all drunk?

[@darrenmccarthy2976]

Excellent as always. Love The New Culture forum. Brilliant organization keeping me sane when everyone around me seems to be going mad. I'd love to see Tommy Robinson on the show.

[@reginaldgraves1684]

Where did the acceptance that minorities should rule in democracies come from? My advice would be to drop it in your speech and make the point that minorities are tolerated if they behave themselves.

[@alanbatten5548]

i was in waterloo on the day of this march. In the shop area of waterloo. About 10 or 15 individuals were being noisy and obnoxious draped in either the union jack or the English flag. There were also a large number of suited and booted police A troop of i guess 15 ran of these ran through the area. This would have been about 11 or 12 o'clock. And yes I would describe thes drunks as being a few football hooligans. I am pleased these did not see this group in the area the speeches were made. And yes the police described the march as a race group. Both in Waterloo and Whitehall. Personally if the police prevented these drunks from joining the main march. The main group was a very small band.

[@francesbrown5116]

Mayhar Tousi live streamed it all .

[@scorpiomoon162]

It was Ginger Spice with the union jack dress, not Posh! 😊

[@JulieMalone-oy1ll]

Anyone who is a patriot are far right now

[@uptonmanor]

Estuary English is always classified as far right politically.

[@DarkAngel2512]

I was watching the live when it happened. A bunch of ppl barged police back so police pushed back on them to contain the trouble makers. One guy had yelled out a xenophobic remark about Palestine and a woman saying Rishi needs to go home.. There are def a couple racists there and if you follow Mayer Tousi or others lives theyre there in the comments. Its a shame

[@debbielangton8371]

My Afghanistan neighbor ask me😮 about my religion ❤

[@alanmcconnell8986]

The Right tend to act as individuals. The Left believe in collectivism and so act as a coherent group and therefore find it easier to organise as a group. That is why the Right tend to fall foul of having their individual freedoms impinges on.

[@carausiuscaesar5672]

👍🇬🇧🇨🇦👍

[@johnboy065]

I am not sure if Tommy Robinson has been on your show before but if not, it would make interesting viewing if you invited him on to your podcast

[@debbielangton8371]

Goats i mean😮

[@WeeMac538]

Insightful but so obvious from footage. Also, Charlie could double as Cher's son/daughter Chaz!😅

[@CharlieSansom]

Bro, you're killing me. 😂

[@shd4618]

Despite best behaviour, there's always an idiot antagonist. Be it introduced by a government organisation, and opposing group or just a spanner in your own midst.

[@andywarren2950]

Somewhat late so I doubt anyone will read this but Tommy is caught between a rock and a hard place. He knows he cannot go too far but at the same time he needs to appeal to his followers. You as “acceptable” talking heads do a great job but you also benefit from Tommy and his followers taking the flack. The best thing you can do is make a point of talking about Tommy and his followers in a positive manner. These people have been more affected by what’s going on than any of you can claim to be. They are at the coal face and while their language might be crude and their emotions may well run high sometimes, their hearts are strong and in the right place. Why not give Tommy his due and interview him? Maybe break the content into three topics so that he doesn’t feel that he must get everything out in 50 minutes. Give him time to prepare and I’m sure he’ll surprise you. Just don’t kill his passion. At the end of the day, he was almost killed in prison for his beliefs. How many of you would put yourselves in that position? You speak of his courage so why not show some yourselves. What was it that Churchill said about sleeping safely in bed because rough men were there? Well, speak with the leader of these rough men!

[@martinstevens2925]

Watching left and right demonstrations I have come to the conclusion MSM will fair game by all only citizen journalists will be tolerated 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️✊

[@peterslinger3795]

Itd be better if the police stayed away from pubs i guess. Then glasses cannot be thrown at them

[@bertieboo]

Laboured the cenotaph point way too much ... perhaps give your services to EDL re strategy

[@scdoors4128]

So "in the interests of winning" what are people supposed to do ? I didn't hear much on that front from the host - did I miss something ?

[@Cyclone546]

George Soros smiles and rubs his hands together.

[@trevorhoward2254]

Oh, and just one more thing, Harrison. I am not going to feign offence at your description of working class people as "earthy" but really? "Earthy"? You know full well you would never use the term in describing any other class. Seriously, go into any public bar or queue up at any football ground and tell the people there that they're earthy and you'll be met with utter bewilderment! I know you mean well and you're on the right side. But I strongly recommend that you go out and do stuff with working class people. Try Tommy, he'll let you tag along.

[@voswouter87]

How is Labor a treat? You have 2 alternatives: reform and UKIP!

[@stephaniebennett6492]

Prooobably was football fans there because most of the country are footy fans so there are.gonna be footy fans there you could walk into any huge march and ask if there are football fans and people will put there hNDS UP THIS IS THE COUNTRY WERE IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE IS THE NUMBER LEAGUE IN THE WORLD WITH A CITY THAT AS MORE TEAMS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE AND NO.1 SPORT WORLDWIDE you could WALK INTO ANY MOSQUE AND ASK THEM IF THEYRE FOOTY FANS AND MAJORITY WILL HOLD THERE HANDS UP THIS COUNTRIES STUPIDNESS IN POLICING IS UN BELIEVABLE SO MEDIA NEED TO STOP THE IDEA THAT FOOTBALL FANS ARE RACIST AND FAR RIGHT THE WORKING CLASS IS THE TARGET BECAUSE WORKING CLASS ARE THE ONES WHO VOTE AND MAKE THE BIGGEST DECISIONS IN THE UK AND THEYRE TRYING TO SUT US UP AND KNOW OUR PLACE TO KEEP THE COUNTRY GOING WHILE THE TAXES BROUGHT IN IS SQUANDERED BY THE ELITE BREXIT WAS USED ALSO TO WIN ELECTIONS BECAUSE THEM AT THE TOP HAVE NOT EMBRACED IT VOTE REFORM UNTIL THE INEVITABLE HAPPENS AND THEY ALSO SHIT ON US

[@DarkAngel2512]

@31:50 Amy, Tony R has said F Palestine before and said ppl who went to Palestine protests arent welcome to June 1st. Not everyone who goes Palestine protests supports Hamas.

[@bobmartin770]

Classic two tier policing.

[@debbielangton8371]

A Asian prayer in house Singh shira machete man in simolian polish all on one street 🤦🤦🤣

[@harveyyoung3423]

Yes, good, the question of "iterability" see Wikipedia "Citationality" on Derrida and his "Signature event context" Criticism of J.L. Austin idea of a non serious performance as parasitic on a real performance. and how Butler took this up. My example of the xmas Joe 90 episode from 1968 is better than any of their examples. In terms of "immediacy" of belonging verses mediation of inclusion see "BBC Radio 2: "In Our Time" on "Hegel's Philosophy of History". There they discuss the indexical "I" that as a use in self reference is not being use to pick myself out of crowd. I don't need such mediation, i don't need a regulative semantics that places "I" along side and in the same category as "them" or "they" or "you". Thus i might say i never sue the phrase "I am British" or wave the "flag" except when I'm in a foreign country or perhaps in London among a grope of people from different countries. I wouldn't use it to set up an opposition to Israel or Palestine or even to try and claim the authority to assert Solidarity with either of them. I just don't have the right or authority to do such a performance. The British thing for me is bound up with my teenage years and the Punk Critique of the flag back in the 1970's. That is a very British thing to Critique the flag and Britishness reflectively imminently and within belonging. that though a slightly ironic use but is entirely different from such mimicking Critique by people from other countries or from radical anti British ideologies. There is a certain parasitic use by "others to Britain" that trades on the internal freedom and right of Critique and consent, and uses this externally as not regulative and reflective but with aim to destroy it. The later use would seem to be a performative contradiction of drawing on an internal Right, even obligation to Critique, but with the aim of destroying the source of or condition of possibility of that very Right "see Arendt") What allows or affords the apparent total external Critique from opponents, without obvious self contradiction in immediacy, is they claim an international and external Right in International laws. This speculative external use of Right is seen as sue generic or independent of its meaning as locked into the internal Critique of Britain, even as priori to and higher right to imminent reflective rights of Critique. So is international Right parasitic on State Right or is it the other way around. It felt very different when i moaned about my mum to someone compared to a feminist activist criticising her from ideology when they were round for dinner. But i guess they have the right to do that. This was way back in the mid 1980's long before their march. Might also be worth looking at the "In Our Time" on "panpsychism" and disenchantment, but I haven't listened to it yet. The above for Emma Webb too perhaps following her talk at your recent conference.

[@harveyyoung3423]

So from 21:00 mins take say a slogan "No Anti White Racism Here". This on the one hand is mimicking a slogan like "No to Racism Here" but with a structural substitution or specification norm change. But these are not just free floating statements, the later is historically and institutionally prior to the former. i mean the Pro Palestine and anti racist marches have a long history going back to 1968 and before then even. There is a massive 50+ years edifice of academic and institutional work and entry and laws behind "No to racism". Legally of course it would seem any one can do the substitution its even constitutive of the rule of law at least formally. The structural approach would also seem to necessitate the "inclusion" if not "belonging" of white man into the structure of oppression. Helping this sort of project might involve such quick setting cement as White men are victims too of oppressive aggregated minorities plus women. There both numbers and instituional capacity and capability would seem to support this move. But remember what really supports the Social Justice project is not quick setting cement, but 50 years of concrete laying over concrete with institutional reinforcement. This sedimented concrete is not first here or specific in the UK but first laid internationally and the UK is a part of this whole. There is something very odd about a White guy in Britain Critiquing Britain for too much social justice while drawing on primarily internal rights, because the anti-racist critique is aimed at the State institutions and people for racism, but does so from a point out side by just data and wealth destructions. From this point of view there is no belonging only set inclusion and membership. "No to Anti white racism then" would only seeks to level that playing field at State level via international right. You know there's a big difference in terms of understanding history, an event, between between reading the event in a book or books with a narrative and actually seeing it live even on TV. that is because of all the context of the vent no longer available to experience from any number of books. This original context immediacy can not be reconstructed even though multiple narratives. Everyone knows this who was their at some real event even if on Tv that is completely lost on other people not there in time and place. The left have history and even the present over interpreted to subsume a event into a story for some purpose. the left talk much about history of their own movement and and Critique traditional histories and attempt to do dress up identity performances. Its odd to see white people do this in i guess opposition to opposition, negation of negation. This is not a double reflection or Critique of a critique it does not take you back to belonging or even inclusion or membership in belonging. That's an oxymoron. If it is tradition you are after, drawing on individual international rights will not work because there is no obligation or responsibility attached to it. You know a white business man might want to do this for access to funding say, but it is only mechanical in that if business is the reason then he will leave the country when elsewhere is more useful to himself. Also then someone claiming this via Social justice's own terms of structure and equality will have that right but will be conceptually drawn into obligations such as be pro BLM too. I think I'm after something other than mimicking the left more because of asymmetry of obligations and responsibilities, to an extent absent from the left's structure for Social justice membership. The left are multiple and legion but at the moment are not conscripts of international human rights and international justice. I guess that will come along later.

[@harveyyoung3423]

One way to pursue the "love of Country" other than as a kind of false inflation of human love to the absolute or as just a top down Gods real meaning as opposed to mans multiple finite even nominal or fabricated meanings might be to look at St Thomas Aquinas on analogy in the broad topic of the distinctions between God understanding and mans understanding. This leads into the Social Contract structure and cosmologies, which i guess is the context I am trying for in my above comments.

[@harveyyoung3423]

The second half draws in discussions of character. Now that is really the character and rules and relations verses institutional laws and rights projects. This can not be a simple dichotomy or a one or the other. One example might be that character friendships sharing meals and so on is not first mediated by laws and threat of punishment, its a different set of relations from being brought into a culture with rituals and habits. Here there is much immediacy and tradition and agency and responsibility. For the left this is viewed as a kind of legal system without the structure. they interpret norms we are within with intentions as if we are following formal rules of an institution but kind of informally with informal punishments and personal rewards. Its as if they view Ethical Life as a informal chaotically applied legal system, and asymmetric applications of the laws. This is to see ethical life a not legal morality or being imperfect legality. It suits the left as it gives them an "in" a friction upon which to talk of social and psychological change as mere legal improvements in efficiency outcomes. They see the ethical life as a deficiency of fully just laws from outside. it allows the description of norms to appear as if legal created rules, with intentions, and so then talk of legal and regulatory revision. It also explains why the left cannot understand the difference between a contextual habit of use and someone else doing the same or similar as a deliberate act. Habitual or implicit racism is an odd term as this implies jsut the racist intent without the intent. This then might say a deliberate racism back towards them is symmetrical and jsut, but of course this is a conflation by abstracting out intention and putting in institutionality where there are non. Indeed the entry of the left into institutions is more like the rise of theire ethical life into the structure rather than the claim to have removed their subjective attachments eg representatives of particular groups and activism for particular groups. The real difference is in institutional no one is responsible for anything. But this is a class distinction not identity difference. Class is more tied to the structure of the syllogism and top down punishment though laws. There is no real vertical return only the attempted bottom up use of rights and laws as critique but these rights are not ethical they are legal and owned by the very class the lower class would want to use. Imagine then creating a aesthetic ethical Critique of the middle class after the middleclass aesthetic ethical and moral critique of the lower classes. If you understand me at all you will realise that going around the offices of Whitehall you wont find people steeling cars or carrying knives, or sitting in an ally way drinking cheap cider in a public place. Do you get my wider point?

[@ZonarosaSmith]

Guy on the left clearly resents Tommy Robinson. Bit of a snob I’d say.

[@kron8418]

How about researching fellow Whites front and centre role in TA slavery etc …