What's Causing Nerd City's Shocking Downfall?

[@basil_bagel]

I crochet while watching your videos and hearing the "there are slurs coming up...don't worry I'm not the one saying them" really threw me off and made me giggle

[@MikasRhetoric]

Well I wanted to be transparent

[@MadeleineSwannSurreal]

@@basil_bagel same haha

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

@@MikasRhetoric I too want to be transparent & totally disappear when other people say slurs around me.

[@lady8jane]

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Wouldn't that be nice!!!

[@savvy1530]

​@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426i want to be transparent and say slurs like a racist ghost

[@Monthlyjune]

I think that nerd city was carried so much by the high production value of his videos. I remember watching them and being so so impressed but now so many other KZbinrs offer the same thing with less misogyny. Sad to see the corner hes backed himself into, but it's his own fault.

[@MikasRhetoric]

That’s a super good point

[@perryrhinitis]

I couldn't quite place why I stopped watching them like 2 years ago, then I realised it was because of their """"jokes"""" (🙄) There are better creators out there who cover similar topics.

[@meghan______669]

Yeah!!!!

[@alexiszimmer]

Although i enjoyed some of his videos, it was always off putting to me how he called every female influencer he criticized as thots and paraded his girlfriend around in his videos.

[@MikasRhetoric]

Yeah I get to that too dw

[@Jenninka]

Right? he clearly got off on the fact that people thought she was too hot for him and made an entire video using her ass to get views. I think he even made sure to edit in a guy offering to pay for sex with her

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

His girlfriend seemed cool I hope she didn't follow his mindset.

[@yeehaw7896]

​@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 apparently she left him

[@erismason3441]

​@@yeehaw7896hope she's off living her best life

[@Princess.McBetch]

He's always had a bit of misogynistic streak disguised as disliking liars rather than pretty, successful girls. His lele video had good points but the way he delivers info rubs me the wrong way for whatever reason. He started falling apart some time after his girlfriend left him. Sort of an opposite situation of idubbbz

[@MikasRhetoric]

Ooooo see I didn’t know that was why it was just a sudden wild shift

[@princessmorebucks]

Interesting. I had a feeling the breakdown was related to the girlfriend. I didn't like the way she was used as a prop in his videos. I'm sure she's better off 💜

[@hazelsingh3887]

Wait his gf left him?

[@Hannahgs]

Nicki left?? Good for her lol she seemed sweet

[@faeriegraver]

I didn't know she'd left him either. She did seem sweet. In one of his DaddyOFive videos I remember him saying that after he'd shown her some clips he found her in tears, on her laptop, researching if there was any way she could help the kids.

[@polygonvvitch]

I know it's gonna be good (AKA really bad) when this dude unironically brings up autogynophilia.

[@MikasRhetoric]

Spoiler: it is

[@Niseryusei]

unironic blanchardism in 2024 is insane

[@shimotuazuma9485]

Do I even want to know what that is.

[@Niseryusei]

@@shimotuazuma9485 you dont.

[@martymcflown3707]

Everytime the commentary bros are brought up in anything I'm hit with a sledgehammer of new, fucked up information. Playing two truths and a lie with those guys is like "Bowblax pretended to be diagnosed with BPD and asked Nicholas DeOrio for 2k", "John Swann started a rumor that Dream made a creepy Minecraft sex mod and then lied and said his alleged cousin with autism did it", "Mamamax made a fake CSA video to promote his mission to dismantle a werewolf sex cult." Trick question, all true.

[@MikasRhetoric]

I know they’re so messy and they pretend they aren’t

[@elen5871]

wow _that's_ what johnswann made up about dream and blamed on his nonexistent autistic cousin? for some reason I never knew _what_ he said his nonexistent autistic cousin said, but that's sure a thing to. say. that your nonexistent autistic cousin said.

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

Comments like this usually make me super curious and I start looking things up...but this time I think I'm better off not knowing anything about what you posted.

[@megg713]

​@@ChristopherSadlowskias someone who knows every single situation listed, I promise you're better off not knowing.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Sometimes I feel bad for Turky Tom bc he started really young & was immediately embraced by the worst. But then I remember h's Turkey Tom & adult now.

[@erika2m16]

I'm already so pissed off over what he said about drag queens in the intro. It's gonna be a ride

[@MikasRhetoric]

It only gets worse

[@SaintShion]

Same, it’s a good indicator for me who is a pearl clutcher

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

INSTANT WRATH-A-RONI for me too

[@kebbobebop]

Yeah I just finished the intro and I’m already so heated. Obviously non-trans people CAN talk about us but they shouldn’t if they are just wrong!!!! It’s so harmful, especially when you have an audience. Ugh:(

[@MissSam]

Guy who "hates regulations" proceeds to shill for NFTs and crypto. Yeah, checks out.

[@MissSam]

I should've kept watching before commenting - spoier - he's a consPIRACIST WHO WATCHES ALEX JONES AND THINKS WOKE IS A NEW RELIGION BECAUSE ALIENS I AM YELLING OUT LOUD Can't believe this, but also checks out.

[@lastilnovista]

YESSSSS i had a really weird and unpleasant interaction with this guy a few months ago. i left an overwhelmingly positive comment on one of his videos, with one small criticism, and he got insanely angry, jumped down my throat, made a bunch of baseless and wild personal projections, and kept continuing to try to argue with me, after i was like “yikes” and attempted to disengage. he’s such a fragile and unhinged weirdo! also, the Gilbert Gottfried schtick is so tired and unoriginal.

[@MikasRhetoric]

The unhinged Reddit interactions are like 40 minutes of this video 😭😭

[@BrookerTJustice]

He posted a link to his twitter thread on why he did the NFT thing and when I pointed out without a twitter account you can't see it and why not just also post it on the reddit and he got so butthurt over it he eventually banned me from the subreddit.

[@lastilnovista]

@@BrookerTJustice good lord 🫠

[@Lana4life19]

What is he going on about just being transphobic and calling people “normies” 😭😭

[@MikasRhetoric]

It’s foreshadowing for how off the rails it all gets

[@Lana4life19]

@@MikasRhetoricI cannot wait I’m sat

[@mariapaz6379]

normies is such a useful word, it is so sad to see it coined by a bunch of bigots

[@Lana4life19]

@@mariapaz6379 I feel the same way about the term based I seen conservatives saying they are the ones who coined it and that shows how chronically online leftist I am I didn’t even know that.

[@mariapaz6379]

@@Lana4life19 god i didn't even know that! Now im sadder, such a good term stained by a bunch of morons

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Nothing and nobody are as messy as a bunch of men pretending theyre not messy

[@twsarahh]

I'm sorry, creating an entire thread of photos from almost a decade ago as part of a manifesto on someone's ass, is fucking insane

[@MikasRhetoric]

It is really weird to be fair the photos were more current at the time but also wasn’t Tana like 18/19 in 2018/17?

[@twsarahh]

@@MikasRhetoric That sounds about right yeah; I think she was an older teenager. Idk, this guy just seems like a misogynistic creep 🏃‍♀

[@hellothisismufin]

One thing I didn't hear you mention that I believe makes this story infinitely funnier is that Pyrocynical was effectively being constantly kinkshamed on damn near every episode of TBH, something he accepted, rolled with, amd turned into part of his brand. So Nerd was a part of a podvast wherein the expectation was that one hoat was effectively bullied every episode, and he couldnt handle people genuinely criticizing him even once. At the end of the day this is a massive Pyro W (and he would want it massive too, given his TF2 mods lmaoooo)

[@shroomer8294]

Pyro basically Aquamanned himself, genuinely my favorite running but if him.

[@incl.Seraphim]

Dappy want mint mint

[@ghosty8193]

2:14:09 - this is kind of a tangent but I truly believe Pyro's nuanced takes on gender stem from the fact that Pyro has done fem cosplays. This obviously doesn't mean he's not cis or straight, but I doubt someone like Nerd or Colossal would do a Vanessa cosplay at the level Pyro did if they didn't have some pro LGBTQ+ beliefs. Again, it doesn't make Pyro an expert on gender but in the TBH podcast setting, he certainty knows more.

[@MildlyCreativee]

Pyro IS a furry, so while it isn't the same thing, (trans person myself), he's always been around lgbtq+ people for pretty much the entire time he's been on the internet. Unlike Clown or Nerd (dunno about Dolan) he's a lot more understanding of that kinda thing

[@Engel-07]

​@@MildlyCreativeei guess when people keep telling you you look like a butch you start being an ally

[@hihellothere9569]

I want to free pyro from them

[@debbir1575]

“Americans can’t grasp the concepts of constitutions outside their own” Trust, many can’t even do that.

[@fishtick]

including the government

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

😂😂😂

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

America bad 😞

[@cctaryn576]

i actually legitimately can't get over colossal and nerd's "reasonable logic" and "rational conclusion" that no one thinks of 17 year olds when you say minor and that saying 17 is far less worse than saying minor. The fact they literally said those words is so baffling to me it's legit hilarious oh my lord

[@minachernobog]

The real kicker is that the age of the minor was never revealed. Somebody on Twitter made the assumption that the minor was 17, and a lot of people ran with it.

[@lDaNu]

It was so crazy that it made me laugh out loud. Colossal having to emphasize that 17 is almost of legal age is rather worrying though, where are these people gonna learn that legal doesn't mean ethical? As if an 18 yo is suddenly an all-knowing entity with ages of wisdom and experience once that clock hit 12.

[@cctaryn576]

@@lDaNu dude this kind of thinking drives me absolutely NUTS. I'm 19 turning 20 in just over a month and i HARDLY feel like an adult. How in the world anyone can think about 17-18 y/os that way is insane. Especially what you said about 18 y/os, the day they turn 18 doesn't mean they function and think like an adult. They literally don't even have the experiences of one man. It's so weird

[@lDaNu]

@@cctaryn576 I'm 25, and I still remember how I was back when I was 17. I also have some friends that are 18-20. While some things remain the same, there's a lot of difference between the me of 17 yo and the me of 25 yo. Same with my friends, we get along, but there are certain things they struggle to understand and do because of their inexperience and still ongoing development. Hell, I still have a long way to go, but I'm definitely less vulnerable to people that try to take advantage of me at 25 than the me of 17. It's insane how people try to justify their predatory actions using the legal system as if there is not enough evidence that says that 17 and 18 year old people are not fully developed yet.

[@homeinvasion8615]

​@@cctaryn576i mean just because you don't feel like an adult doesn't mean you aren't, self infantilizing isn't a good thing, you know right from wrong

[@microcult]

Its the rotting effect of appealing to The Boys Club. You're not encouraged to learn, but to double down on beliefs that may not have even been yours. When you become too comfortable being the person who points out everyone else's flaws, you become blind to your own blind spots.

[@lleal1715]

pyro is someone that tries really hard to make up for being an edgylord on the past, but he is too afraid to ditch his old friends, who just treat him like an punching bag, to bully and make fun of, that podcast is just an guy being bullied by people nearly an decade older than him, for his tastes, and that he is friends with "woke people", and that he is soft now, its just so, sad, because pyro really wants to be someone better, had helped plenty of people, and doenst allow bigotry on his community anymore, having even abandoned his own subreddit, but however he being still connected to people like this, will just make him, one of the bigots, you cant sit on a table with 2 bigots, congrats now theres 3 bigots in there

[@MikasRhetoric]

I do have a soft spot for pyro because of this too

[@lleal1715]

@@MikasRhetoric its just so sad, it feels like he loathes himself so much, that fir him its healthy to be dunked on, always, without stop by his friends, or fans

[@TheTrashman9]

​@lleal1715 I think you're looking a little too deep, they're just ribbing on eachother. Those three are lifelong friends, and aside from Collosal sniding everyone and everything I don't really know what the issue some have. I don't think collosal is a bigot, I just think he's irreverent to everyone because that's just the way his humor works. He ribs on everyone pretty equally. Dolan is fine too, he's just kinda a internet funnyman. Pyro is baby.

[@guyferrari8124]

You guys do know he’s admitted multiple times that he does it for clipfarming or for the dynamic right? They aren’t like actually as mean to him irl

[@rosca616]

You're projecting so much

[@eggysegg]

A lot of these commentary bros can actually make great videos when they aren't using slurs or making 'edgy' jokes. Similar to how mamamax overedits, that language can make videos unwatchable. Also if someone is saying weirdly racist/sexist/ect shit it sets doubt on why they are making the videos and if they are being good faith in their criticisms.

[@eggysegg]

Oh! The doc about movie ratings might be called "This Movie is Not Yet Rated". If it isn't that is worth the watch, our ratings systems is messed up.

[@MikasRhetoric]

That sounds right actually!!

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

It kills me how these guys almost get it, but not quite. Their biggest flaw is how they're so dedicated to saying "both sides are bad", and that always leads to someone becoming conservative

[@eggysegg]

@SuperNuclearUnicorn Their biggest flaws are them trying to be centrist and/or trying to prove how much they don't care. If you care too much about a subject you lose.

[@cranberryrosebud]

Pyro's video on Utopia is in my long video playlist, I love it so much. My favourite humour "brand" of his is him just being a dork/idiot, so if he's also one of those people trying to be edgy sometimes (don't follow him super closely), that's a shame.

[@catnipclementine]

Realizing today that Nicholas DeOrio and Nick Diramio are different people 😂 Granted, not sure I knew Nicholas DeOrio existed, but still.

[@MikasRhetoric]

Lmao I get this comment sometimes and it really shows how little the audience overlap (this is a good thing)

[@notsquirtley-enough]

To be so lucky to have not known about Nicholas DeOrio 😭

[@comedienne_historian]

DeOrio is my guilty pleasure, god I hate him but I especially hate Turkey Tom

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

Ha, Turkey Tom is my guilty pleasure and I hate DeOrio more, but this is still so validating, lol.

[@prettyhatemachinexoxo]

Turkey Tom is one of my favorite KZbinrs 😋

[@guyferrari8124]

Turkey Tom is so funny because literally everyone no matter the political aisle hates him for different readons

[@elen5871]

Tommy C and Nicholas DeOrio have such distinct voices, they sound like a pair of cartoon cats who are up to no good.* *Mostly just having questionable takes on the internet.

[@gongalicious]

nerd city calling wokeness the new religion is so stupid I think it revoked my degree. I'm gonna have to go to college all over again

[@eatssspam]

I had no idea Nerd City went this deep but I suspected it. He came out of nowhere on my feed with the commentary on Sssniperwolf. I thought the production value was so good, I was so confused how I’d never seen his channel before. You did a great job covering lore, controversies, and pointing out obviously flawed logic with evidence.

[@soniaiboyako4023]

I literally forgot he existed lmao. I used to watch his content and, as well-crafted as it was, aspects of it always irked me - namely that his criticism of women would always veer into being plain weird. I stopped watching him when i realized his plugs had to do with NFTs 😭 that kinda confirmed the direction he was going in ig. I wasn't aware of his bigoted rants but it's unsurprising, unfortunately Oh and idk about anyone else but i found the Dr Disrespect conversation incredibly gross - from insisting that they *need* to see the texts (weird) to the absolute nonsense about the difference between a minor and.. a minor?? like someone cut these guys' internet off i beg Also, thank you for pointing out what is meant by "globalists" most of the time. What's wild is that pretty much every conspiracy theory ends up being a reskined version of that targeting if you really let the believers talk for long enough

[@debbir1575]

I just wanted to weigh in as someone who reviews content as part of my job. (Not Google and not saying where). I am like the “final boss” reviewer. Every reviewer has a different perspective and holds their own biases based on where they live and how/where they’re educated. It is VERY common for people who are reviewing outside of Western countries to still escalate lgtbtq+ content to me when there was no need for them to in the first place because it violated none of our TOU. They’ve been counseled not to, but it’s still happening. This is today, in 2024, so it would not surprise me in the least if it was back then on Google.

[@erismason3441]

Oh my god, it's you. I cannot believe that I've found academic journal reviewer #2 out in the wild. (JK... maybe?)

[@debbir1575]

@@erismason3441 😂😂 No

[@erismason3441]

Cute profile pic, also :)​@@debbir1575

[@neoqwerty]

@@erismason3441 I would like to thank you and your fellow academic journal reviewers as a casual academic journal reader (who also appreciates the academic journals' reviews for figuring out if a book is or isn't dubious). Y'all make my brain smarter.

[@allideni836]

@debbir1575 God bless you for doing your job. You're part of the front lines of keeping the net usable.

[@CherryPyrrha]

Do I have any idea who Nerd City is? No. Am I going to sit my butt down with a snacky snack and watch a 2.5 hour Mika's Rhetoric video on them? Absolutely.

[@wooogie672]

i’m so jealous that you weren’t experiencing post-Vine KZbin and didn’t already know who nerd city was 😔

[@lDaNu]

2:11:50 >So let's look at this claim that she was 17, **almost an adult** Why is Colossal saying that as if 17 is not bad enough, I'm cryingggglmao

[@lDaNu]

Check that guy's computer because, holy sht

[@Engel-07]

Lionmaker ass statement

[@fishtick]

ik this is about nerdcity but Jake faking a death by killer clown is a special kind of unhinged???

[@cptnsfti]

The tbh podcast clip is so mindnumbingly stupid. He talked to a minor. He knows he talked to a minor. Why do the semantics matter? Why do we need to know any more than that?

[@MegaChadAnakin]

"Religion of caring about equity, redistribution of wealth and holding people accountable" does he know thats just being a caring human being ?

[@MegaChadAnakin]

Also those are big parts of the bible bro

[@MrRedDwarf1]

No, no, no, you don't understand. It's Marxist. And Markist bad because... Capitalism good. Buy my nfts.

[@meow.4972]

Omg i saw dangelo make a video sbout this a couple weeks ago but it didnt get into much detail, 2 and a half hour video from Mika ???? Huge W.

[@MikasRhetoric]

There might be too much detail here tbh

[@meow.4972]

​@@MikasRhetoric I know that there's such a thing in literature but is it bad that I don't care x'D as long as it fills the silence while I draw and isn't content farm slop it's perfect to me !!!!

[@sebastianuglyrat]

Well I mean, it’s dangelo, what were you expecting

[@morganb6611]

What is with this weird, unnecessary insult?

[@caitlin8274]

“1/4 posts are gifs of cats doing things . Not necessarily the people who’s posting’s cat, just random cats” yeah man, that’s how the internet works. Did you just start using it yesterday? It’s literally been like this since the inception of the internet. What a weird thing to be so upset about

[@hazelsingh3887]

Finally someone is discussing the caricatures in the LeLe Pons video! When I watched it the first few times it didn’t really seem that weird, but when I went back a few years later it was so jarring and gross! The THOT patrol videos are so weird too.

[@sabrina1646]

MAMA MIKA HATH RETURNED WHEN THE REALM NEEDED HER THE MOST

[@MikasRhetoric]

I spent three weeks on this I’m sorry 😭😭😭

[@sabrina1646]

@@MikasRhetoric don’t apologise!! Given with your irl job you’ve worked so hard 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@pssurvivor]

i didn't like his thot patrol series. what women do on the internet is their business. no one is forcing anyone to watch any content. if a bunch of thirlties fall for "thots" so what? but his nft stuff and subsequent response to criticism has left me scratching my head

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

yes twitch wanted to take dr disrespect down so badly they signed a contract with him

[@Glassrabbits4793]

it just must be so tiresome to be so preoccupied with the WoKe LeFt and talk about such meaningless bigoted stuff.... its like touch grass the pod.

[@Karmaisabreez]

What's causing Nerd City's downfall? Probably a mix of ego and hanging out with weirdos.

[@MikasRhetoric]

Yuuuuhhhh

[@LewdNoodz]

Gotta say, Dolan and Pyro are the only good part of the TBH podcast because its clear that while a lil edgy and saying some bigoted stuff they clearly have exposure to other types of people while Nerd and Colossal are just edgy fucks that only surround themselves with clueless bigots that don't like being challenged. Like Pyro laughs at the unironic use of 'woke' whole Nerd uses it unironically. The end of the TBH pod episode was just so annoying because it clearly demonstrates the two sides of the podcast.

[@Suslent]

Literally how I feel. I couldn’t finish t some of the newer eps because of nerd and colossal. Would definitely rather watch a pod that was just pyro and Dolan

[@Ratxmother]

That clip of nerd talking about aliens and pyro (I think) goes ‘haha like watchmen:)’ is rly funny to me for some reason

[@TheTrashman9]

He's ADHD as hell, and it's hilarious.

[@crystalsuccs]

Im a fan/part of that side of commentary (nick, augie, tom) and you fr are a trooper cause 2018 commentary was blood sports. Being nuanced and not salty about them is such a breath of fresh air

[@magicalspacegiraffe]

He pissed me off relatively recently. He made this lovely video on Azzy, so I subscribed to the podcast too to catch up on that. And on it he went off rambling about, I presume, the ukulele lady and how we're not using the word "groomer" correctly, that it's only for severe s**ual abuse and by misuse we're changing the meaning of the word. When if he literally would take 0.5s to google groomer then the top definition includes example - grooming kids for drug trafficking.

[@neoqwerty]

Literally the first time I heard "grooming" was in regard to royalty-- being groomed for the throne ect etc. It's wild people insist grooming is sexual when it means preparing a child from a young age for a specific role as chosen by an important adult who controls them one way or another.

[@jackhenderson3876]

Just when the world needed Mika the most, she returned with a 152 minute video. Longer than 2001: A Space Oddessey and I'm living.

[@jackhenderson3876]

Also I think the documentary you were talking about at 58:00 is Coded Bias, just in case the title didn't come back to you :)

[@absurdum-the-artist]

Thank you so much for calling out antisemitism conspiracies! It means so much

[@WakaranYT]

I love that he believes autogynophilia is real even though it’s very disproven

[@MrRedDwarf1]

Disproven how? That trans people don't have it or that it just doesn't exist. Because if it's the latter and you have a source, I'd love to read it.

[@guyferrari8124]

The existence of egg culture proves its real

[@WakaranYT]

@@guyferrari8124 how?

[@neoqwerty]

@@MrRedDwarf1 Long story short "autogynephilia" isn't real as a paraphilia like Blanchard and others insist it is. A- People can experience crossdressing arousal (note that this is not exclusive to trans women or even trans people, and in fact it's exclusive to crossdressers instead, cis or trans) B- People can find themselves HOT AS HELL (Blanchard cherrypicked his studies by refusing to check it with a control of cis women to see if the phenomenon happens (yes, cis women and trans women both find themselves hot in large amounts, and so do men) Sources: - [open access] ResearchGate, "The Case Against Autogynephilia", Julia Serano; July 2010, International Journal of Transgenderism 12(3):176-187; DOI:10.1080/15532739.2010.514223 - [follow up to above, restricted; on Sci-Hub] SAGE Journals, "Autogynephilia: A scientific review, feminist analysis, and alternative embodiment fantasies model", Julia Serano; August 2020, The Sociological Review Volume 68 Issue 4: 763-778; DOI: 10.1177/0038026120934690 - [open access] Taylor & Francis Online, "Blanchard's Autogynephilia Theory: A Critique", Charles Moser; July 2010, Journal of Homosexuality Volume 57 Issue 6: 790-809; DOI: 10.1080/00918369.2010.486241 - [open access] Taylor & Francis Online, "Autogynephilia in Women", Charles Moser; July 2009, Journal of Homosexuality Volume 56 Issue 5: 539-547; DOI: 10.1080/00918360903005212

[@Neo_Geisha]

The reality is that males can and will fetishize anything

[@Karmaisabreez]

Nicholas DeOrio wasn't expected in the 1st minutes like that 😭

[@JunError]

I vaguely remember watching this guy once... what's going on now. Also as a trans lad i have been kicked out of the "right" one. I'm tired.

[@MikasRhetoric]

It has been a really sad shift in this man’s entire trajectory it seems

[@midnightly7918]

Before i continue let me just say you look so good!!! That lip gloss and blush combo is so good for you!!!

[@KaylaDunDunDunIt]

I’ve been a casual Nick D watcher on and off over a few years, and it’s so funny to see your commentary on him. The way I watch content about content about content about content creators

[@KaylaDunDunDunIt]

HEY MIKA IM SORRY WHAT KIND OF FANFIC?

[@MikasRhetoric]

You heard me lmao

[@jessyjulie5506]

He sounds like he's doing a bad beetlejuice impression

[@erika2m16]

I was so excited about this, I went and watched D'Angelo Wallace's video in preparation

[@MikasRhetoric]

@@erika2m16 it’s finally done!!!!

[@bobateapenguin]

Commentary nowadays still has that "edge" ppl like and all (won't name any creators bc apparently me even just uttering someone in passing gets them all riled up) but its really just hypocrisy at the end of the day. It's a weird slong measuring contest of whos the bigger hypocrite but the second sm criticizes them suddently everyone else is dumb and doens't know nuanced takes lmaoo.

[@jaendhoe3962]

James Sommerton, Tati Westbrooke and now Nerd City. i think i just have the worst taste in youtubers, a little embarrassing

[@Engel-07]

Im so glad i only watched ONE video from james that i grew to dislike before it turned out he was a serial plagarist lol

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

Even I watch PYRO on his main or 2nd channel sometimes. He's a good gauge for "medium Bro", but I also feel genuinely weird about the aggro h8er audience he seems to have acquired. It's always been there but they REALLY dominate the 2nd channel & I don't know how a creator like him, who is basically fine, can deal with constant hate. I guess it's bc he's basically fine. I've seen him be quite empathetic, & out of the crew mentioned on the podcast, it's not just that he's bigger, but he also has grown into being able to be more than comic relief on his channel. I can see him developing deeper rifts with the old Bros. OMG Apologies about the many comments. Mika makes me THINK.

[@xtopher174]

The thing about Pyro is that the hate is mostly played up because it benefits him a lot. People paid to harass him and it also made some of the best clippable moments for him. Also, his audience mostly loves him but the hate gets highlighted more.

[@MildlyCreativee]

Its intense for sure but a lot of it IS actually jokes. Best way to realise this is to go to any of the conventions he's attending. Most if not all of his fans seem perfectly normal and dont like. Do or say anything messed up or anything. If you've ever watched Tyler1 on twitch, its a similar situation.

[@TheTrashman9]

It's just a bit. We "hate" him, and rag on him constantly. He's in on it tho, it's not harassment. Case in point, the same people who shit on him relentlessly will gladly die on a hill defending him if shit goes south. It's like calling your friend mean names back and forth, yk?

[@SarahSwift-sc7hk]

​@@TheTrashman9 I know it's a bit, but Jesus H. Christ the same things repeated over and over and over in EVERY comment section is so fucking STUPID is everyone 12 or what?

[@neoqwerty]

@@TheTrashman9 so basically he has an audience that adopted him as their little brother?

[@LilyN2099]

whenever i watch these videos about youtubers i have never heard of in my life, i am constantly in awe in how big the internet is. i always wonder how i have never encountered people with these long standing and controversial online careers... fascinating

[@DestinyKiller]

I like poking into different sides of the internet. I do find it kind of fascinating how many sub cultures and communities there are. There are obviously some I'm not going within any kind of distance of because it grosses me out to know they exist but the other, mostly harmless ones are really interesting to peek into

[@jessicatorres5698]

Girl, I LOVE this lip color on you!!

[@MikasRhetoric]

It’s in the description 🤭🤭

[@MikasRhetoric]

Like I list the lip combo for you

[@jessicatorres5698]

🫶🏻

[@BimmieJames]

You knew that Deorio is friends with the creator of kw and I think that guy who recently created an LLC named after the euphemism for what some failed Austrian painter wrote about after he was detained for a beer bar “protest” and implementation this plan in the late 1930s to early 40s….. Yeah he gave Nick D. a founders shoutout.

[@MikasRhetoric]

@@BimmieJames wait this is is wild I didn’t know about any of this

[@BimmieJames]

@@MikasRhetoric Prologue: this is a rambling mess partly because everyone involved is kind of a mess and I don’t want to look at any of the tweets directly lol This information was provided by Clara to her audience *before* her alleged financial coercion was revealed publicly (it had been disclosed to individuals like DemonMama, White Nervosa… *muffled* xan). Just for full disclosure. But Clara was able to show that: Nick has mod in Xanderhalls stream; I have to imagine White Forest has dropped lol so let me rephrase: Nick was modding for xan back when xan had a meltdown over Clara mentioning shoe back in December 2023. I have to imagine it was because Nick could complain about tipster and a trans woman lol. Clara had her bloc keeping eyes on the kwf creator who frequently directly at’s nick on Twitter including on the LLC announcement tweet. I’m so sorry I had to rely this apocrypha via hieroglyphics because I just observed a few Clara streams last winter, xan collapsed into a massive black hole in July, Mama has a campaign against her right now, Clara fell off, and I refuse to look at Nick or kwf guy’s twitter understandably.

[@averysspookshowspectacular6205]

The first and only video of his was about controversial KZbinrs and he didn't mention KeemStar. I knew they were friends, so it was obviously pretty biased.

[@BimmieJames]

@@averysspookshowspectacular6205 The creator of *kw-f* forum is good friends with Nick DeOrio.

[@BimmieJames]

@@averysspookshowspectacular6205 we’re not talking about keem it’s a much more bad individual in question believe it or not

[@crow2062]

I can't wait to eat dinner and watch this. we are FEASTING tonight

[@MikasRhetoric]

Enjoy your dinner bestie

[@SemicolonExpected]

I dont know what I expected but it wasn't a weird conspiracy theory. When I heard the word aliens and containers I was so confused thinking I missed something

[@bearoflittlebrain222]

Nic is going thru some frontal lobe development or something, he's pretty down these days and way more supportive of women and minorities (than he used to be). I mean the bar is on the floor, but at least he's not victim blaming anymore.

[@TinniestBore]

Mika could release a video on reading the phone book and the downfall of the yellow pages and I would watch it no matter how long it was

[@MikasRhetoric]

That actually sounds like a good video lmao

[@TinniestBore]

@@MikasRhetoricI would watch it!! Maybe sometimes I have a good idea 🤣🤣🤣

[@MissSam]

The podcast clip about the cats was so second-hand embarrassing, some top-secret military nuclear bombs level of coping.

[@micahfoley9572]

who could have predicted pyrocynical would end up the lefty of that group lol

[@guyferrari8124]

He’s not even a lefty, he’s like a centrist from what I’ve seen

[@micahfoley9572]

@@guyferrari8124 in england, definitely. in america, he's left of center now. like most people over 25 with an effective process for the discernment of truth, he's been gradually moving left as he gets older. i think in part because normative empathy develops in humans around age 25, and in part because his job required him to learn how to research things effectively. he starts without a conclusion, and lets the evidence guide him to one. whereas the reflexive approach for people without rational investigative training is to start with a conclusion based on a vibe check, and then search for evidence to support or defeat that conclusion. which is not a reliable path to truth, obviously.

[@hyprsens]

NO BECAUSE THIS WAS SO DISAPPOINTING 😔😔😔 I remember his DaddyOFive videos 😬

[@CaitReynolds]

It’s so funny looking back from my…slightly more advanced age…and seeing how these guys think they are so intelligent and important and righteous. It’s like…guys…guys…oh, never mind. You’re not gonna listen anyway. *goes back to my real life in the real world where I had never even heard of them or anyone they were talking about.* But if there was one thing I wish they would get-beyond that narcissism isn’t a great look-it’s that complex issues have complex solutions, and that a good compromise means everyone leaves the table a little bit unhappy. Another excellent video with honestly, humor, thoughtful commentary, and omg I need that Trump video. Lmao!

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

2:10:02 ok why does THIS FREAK think HE in particular NEEDS to see the text messages first hand? Why does he deserve that access? I'm sure the people involved at Twitch were professionals with an eye to their responsibilities, fiduciary/marketing optics/legal. Why do people think they personally have the right to access sensitive evidence & judge these things when they are untrained in anything & are clearly biased. Is he 12? Why would a company want to get rid of a big star unless there was actual jeopardy? Why? I'm SO uncomfortable with SA + harassment + other crime stuff being litigated by podcasters + comics.I don't fully trust the legal system with these things either, & ofc we personally have the right to judge others, but this thing where we do podcast litigation is just the worst. EDIT: lol like ishowspeed + kai cent are much better?

[@mimsycookiiess]

Great video as always! I love this channel ❤ I always felt that pyro and dolan was more likable and I saw that many of their fans agree bc I was in one of pyro’s lives and while he was reading out nerd’s statement in the discord, his fans were celebrating bc they didn’t like that nerd was transphobic and supported nfts, don’t get me wrong pyro’s humor isn’t for everyone which is completely fine but he says that his n word comp embarrasses him a lot (which is good bc that made me uncomfortable as a black kid back then so I’m glad he regrets it and calls it edgy cringe) and has openly supported trans people and other progressive ideas so just putting that just in case this may put a bad taste in anyone’s mouth about pyro and dolan but aren’t completely sure (it’s completely fine to not like them tho I’m just putting it out there!) I will say though pyro has def has some stuff to learn about trans people but I like that he’s transparent about that fact and actually tries to educate himself (also this info is from his lives if anyone is wondering; he just posts slop on his regular vids)

[@mimsycookiiess]

Also the tbh podcast hasn’t posted in a while so a lot of the clips are old not that that’s a defense but just in case sb wants a lil more context!

[@ChristopherSadlowski]

I'm going to have to watch this video a few times. For whatever reason literally everything keeps falling out of my brain. I'm in a perpetual "what the actual hell is happening right now" mode, which is weird because all your other videos I followed just fine.

[@Farticuss]

Nerd city sounds like an awful place to live.

[@lilliputianhitcher3808]

god i’m so glad the commentary community isn’t the same as it used to be. there are very few men i want to hear the opinions of

[@mariapaz6379]

these days im just hearing fd signifier's takes on rap

[@kingti85]

I said something about how his channel must have jumped the shark because he did 2 Sniperwolf videos in a row and then he proceeded to berate me in the comments 😭 Big ego and overly sensitive to criticism does not a great KZbinr make

[@hiiyorine8891]

girl I LOVE your documentary sized commentary videos ❤❤❤

[@nxfrvr]

I worked at Lionbridge on the "video streaming platform" project, can neither confirm nor deny if it was KZbin, but nonetheless we did have guidelines on how to access content, whether it should be flagged and/or disciplined and how, etc. However, we were not aware how much "weight" certain content/mentions/etc. have when it comes to it being flagged. I think it's worth noting that most people there are at least bi-/trilingual, who don't have a lingustics, social studies or whatever degrees, I mostly saw stay at home moms, students, who are people from countries that don't speak English as their first language, although it is very close to a native speaker level. This mish-mash of people works as a team on the English side of the project and then we were also separated into our target language groups. Me, personally, I saw quite a few cases where I would correct someone's "flagged" content to "not flagged" simply because I felt like it was not in compliance with the guidelines. I would move such cases up to upper management as well for an additional review, however, I cannot say the same has been done in every controversial case.

[@SaintShion]

NC: think for yourself! Be free thinkers Also NC: NO! Not like that!

[@PoopHobbit]

Man his vibes have always been so off, it's too bad his editing is good

[@zozzleberryfin1735]

1:45:27 Jesus christ I knew he had an almost fascistic fascination with purity but I didn’t think he’d literally be spreading neonazi conspiracy theories

[@weewooweewoo906]

i remember the lele pons/amanda caricature portrayals and being kind of put off by them even as a young fan of his lol

[@HECTORCOMEHOME]

do i know nerd city? nope. am i gonna watch a two and a half hour long video while i study? yes.

[@tamaraarcher855]

I feel a common trap people fall into is taking something that may be possible, and then saying its proven true, when to put it generally it's proven possible. Like guidelines or not people's personal bias will flow through their decision making, that's just a thing that is impossible to prevent. I also feel comfortable with the general assumption that on average the population of homophobic people is higher in a country where being gay is illegal. But for the theory that homophobia is being trained into the algorithm is true so many, quite frankly unknownable to us thing have to be true. Like what is the breakdown of homophobic people vs progressive people? The assumption seems to be that homophobic countries have cheaper labour so youtube will use them which is a lot of assumption. Also youtube videos are uploaded across the world. So its possible that they hire internationally because they need people to be able to be able to manually review videos who have different background. Like if a person is saying this makes sense because of this cultural context having someone from that culture review it makes sense. At the very least a person would need to speak the language they are reviewing in. Also glassdoor stuff said google. So how do we know these people are working on youtube and not anything else in under the Alphabet umbrella? There is probably more but thats just what comes to the top of my head.

[@peewee2437]

off topic, your so pretty! love the frames and lip combo :3

[@MikasRhetoric]

@@peewee2437 aww thank you that’s so kind 🥹🥹

[@hyprsens]

His alien theory is giving 2001 space odyssey

[@edyoll]

2 hour mika video lets FUCKING GOOOO

[@goingferalluvs]

This is such a thing to look back on now that KZbin actually does have cable now- they even specify that it's *broadcasting*

[@ajjconcertat2am]

YES i was wondering when the next vid would be! love your stuff and will probably add more to this after i finish the video ❤

[@MikasRhetoric]

I’ll be on the lookout for the comment :)

[@alattee22]

Thank you for keeping me sane on the last chunk of my workday! Had you screen split with Teams lol

[@MikasRhetoric]

Iconic

[@armortrap]

I don't have the words to make a succinct comment but u are so funny while being incredibly knowledgeable at the same time, love that u include all sources and I rlly appreciate ur perspective in every vid

[@cookingwithsilence]

You are a really comprehensive writer. This was a good video, especially for someone with such a broad impact on YT and not a lot of coverage.

[@hikari482]

The trump X mcr fanfic made me do a double take bc like HUH!? That's the last thing I was expecting to hear in this video ahwiwbdkejwiwbek Also great video as always Mika! I was wondering what even happened to nerd city and this breaks it down really well ^^

[@MissSam]

A sidenote, the block for Belarus and Russia specifically could be initiated by the copyright owner btw. I've had a few videos that got a partial block and the text for them said "Copyright owners WMG on behalf of: Warner Records Label - Copyright owner is blocking in these territories: Belarus, Russia" so that's not the countries themselves. Probably they do it as a sign of protest? idk

[@egg5256]

12:31 LOL I actually had that exact realization right before you said this and was thinking about how glad I am none of my cringe middle school moments are on the internet forever

[@cosmictraveler1146]

Holy f I forgot Edwin even existed

[@shrekuschrist3892]

Currently doing my co-op work term and taking courses. Your video is a treat after a hectic week! Always love hearing your takes! You've inspired me to think more critically and get into rhetoric :)

[@MikasRhetoric]

I can relate to the coop and courses workload, stay strong bestie!!!

[@micahfoley9572]

"i hate having new laws" might be the most painfully reductive thing i've ever heard.

[@radishfest]

Immediately checking the comments before watching (lmao)

[@radishfest]

Not done watching yet, but I keep thinking about something and wanted to leave a note. You (Mika) and people like BJ (That Surprise Witness, BJ Investigates), Dogpack, and recently Ophie Dokie are filling a good part of Nerd's old niche. I'll include Adam McIntyre too. Y'all identify and analyze core issues, _BUT you do it without expensive, high-effort visuals._ Since I enjoy overthinking things, I would say that there are now at least two big categories in the Serious-Issue Analysis genre: *Chill and Legit* (list above) and *Flashy and Legit* (Coffeezilla, Nerd City with an asterisk). You could frame this split many ways, and the results would largely remain the same. How Odd Here is the part where I wave my hands around and invoke Judith Butler's heterosexual matrix concept, because I think that is an extremely funny comparison to make in this specific context.

[@radishfest]

Okay I finished it!! Was really happy to see you cover this one, you're the exact right person for it imo. I truly loved so much of his old content. The work he put into research and testing was unmatched & obviously the style was impeccable... which kind of just makes it more of a shame, y'know? Argument and conclusion quality matter SO much, and digging in his heels will never fix logical flaws. I think he should learn how to do basic argument mapping and also go like. Go outside a bit more. Escape the echo chamber. The other thing I kept thinking about is this paper I read recently... "A Justification-Suppression Model of the Expression and Experience of Prejudice". Hope he recovers from the brain worms someday. He is Wrong about an increasingly large number of basic things and is blaming the world for Not Understanding instead of checking his own logic. The pipeline is foul. Ty for making this. Nerd, if you see this next month, you really should listen to her. 😽😽😽

[@pop-punkreptile5827]

i always try to watch out for high production value in videos because its so easy to overlook bad writing / bad ppinions when youre an audience member whos thinking "oooh shiny", which is absolutely the intent. It takes a bit to learn but when u do i think it makes ppl develop much more thoughtful taste. So its kind of good to see ppl make criticisms like this bc it can really get your brain to go back into critical mode

[@DestinyKiller]

I do think people rate high production far too highly and think the creator is something special because of it. Since i very rarely actually watch the videos I'm listening to i never really notice production

[@MosesSuppose]

Omg finally. Been waiting for this for like YEARS. I think I emailed you in like 2021 or 2022 lmao!! I was involved in like two separate ground zero incidents on reddit lmao. Can’t wait to watch when I’m off work

[@MikasRhetoric]

I wanted it to be impactful enough and it wasn’t enough public craziness yet

[@MosesSuppose]

@@MikasRhetoric you’re totally fine, I wasn’t intending to shade you or anything! I agree, it was mostly petty or personal stuff that could pretty easily be handwaved away as ‘eccentric Internet personality being especially eccentric today’ until recently

[@private755]

I just don’t trust any channel that dedicates itself to being a character online or hides behind a virtual persona 🤷‍♀️

[@MikasRhetoric]

Yeah I can understand that

[@sodadep]

lol his jake paul/youtube monetization stuff inspired me to write a final research paper about it in my junior year of hs... i liked him for that video and subbed but never watched anything from him again bc there was the weird misogyny vibe

[@GothBunny6669]

Wow, you talking about the Nick thing made me realize I have been watching you for 3 years. Time flies.

[@MikasRhetoric]

Yes girl I recognize you in my comments because it’s been so long!!!