What's driving teachers out of the classroom?

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Massachusetts' teacher retention rate is higher than the national average, but it is lower than pre-pandemic levels.
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@esrob7062 4 ай бұрын

You are missing children misbehaving with no consequences. That probably wasn't a choice on the survey given to teachers who left it wasn't on mine.

@rhonda8846 4 ай бұрын

Exactly! 20 years in, and I've never seen more behavior issues and parents who blame the teacher instead of addressing the children.

@kris78787 4 ай бұрын

They don't want to acknowledge the elephant in the room, which is awful student behavior

@daveburrows9876 4 ай бұрын

@@kris78787The kids lean that awful behavior at home or wherever they go when mom and/or dad are at work, on a date, or just pursuing their own interests. Parenting has become a passive, spectator activity they try to squeeze in between everything else. Kids are too often unsupervised.

@amylee8969 4 ай бұрын

The misbehavior from kids and teach to test mentality is tough.

@lindagrible3235 4 ай бұрын

Likely left off intentionally. Also, few, if any consequences, for behavioral issues. IMPROVE dealing with STUDENT BEHAVIOR, and enforce consistent consequences. NOT HAPPENING.

@VIOLET2819 4 ай бұрын

I am substitute teaching while I look for a full time position somewhere (not in education). And I can tell you that the reason teachers are leaving is because of the misbehavior of students! Period! Nothing gets taught because of all the disruptions and the students are SOOOOOOO disrespectful.

@rhonda8846 4 ай бұрын

Well said! On point

@kris78787 4 ай бұрын

Yep, 💯 truth. Also, the classes are ridiculously oversized. District thinks it's ok to cram 30 plus kids into a classroom with only one teacher. It makes classroom management a nightmare.

@marisolvillalon4537 4 ай бұрын

As a substitute teacher I agree with this comment.

@XXLSSBBW 4 ай бұрын

Students see how their parents treat people working in public jobs and they think: "If it's okay for mommy and daddy to treat people like this then it's okay for me to treat my teachers the same way."

@WHMMrR 4 ай бұрын

One thing that I've never heard anyone mention is that teachers don't have a say in administrative matters, so you have people who've never spent a day in a classroom making decisions driven by maximizing funding for the school. Waiting For Superman really screwed the US, now everyone but the people that actually do the job think they should be making all the decisons.

@bclamore 4 ай бұрын

@AIMSHSMrKsHistory I remember that movie and thinking something is wrong. It's a traditional, 19th Century, educational paradigm on steroids. We know that paradigm works for a minority of students. Letting people with MBAs into admin positions is a very bad idea. Business practices do not work in schools. Successful schools are foremost a community.

@BeWithTamia 4 ай бұрын

Yes. A lot of times teachers are often told something happens after it happens. Or are updated. Some new teachers get mentors who don’t help them or support them with anything.

@miltiades490 4 ай бұрын

Lack of discipline and support when dealing with bad kids also hurts.. Added workloads in terms of adding more and more paperwork with no added pay. There is a laundry list of things.

@philamylon1479 4 ай бұрын

Former MA teacher here: double the pay and half the number of classes I have to teach, and I'll think about coming back.

@veramae4098 4 ай бұрын

Large class sizes, rude kids.

@BeWithTamia 4 ай бұрын

As a teacher myself (strings-music). I know a lot of it has to do with the following: 1. Classroom size: Many classes are often 26-35 students to one teacher. Maybe there’s a peraprofessiona but most of the times. There isn’t. 2. Student behavior: Since Covid(I was finishing college), I have even saw a shift in many students social and emotional skills. Students are less likely to achieve through adversity or challenges. I have to push my string students because if they played a rhythm wrong or the wrong note. They would completely stop instead of learning from their mistake and keep going. Many students don’t have discipline and structure at home so when they come into an environment that offers it. It becomes a culture shock. 3. Parents expect so much and so little: What I mean is that there are parents who want the best for their kids and they fight for, sometimes over stepping their boundaries. Especially if they did not go into the field of education. While some parents don’t care. Often allowing their children to miss days at a time from school and end up behind on class work and overall behind in general. 4. The lack of reading: When I grew up, my mother always took my brother and I to the public library. We called me from a family a readers. Because of phones, tablets, and laptops. Many people aren’t reading. I personally have found it hard to try to do my reading goal for the year: Two books. I read one but haven’t started on the second one. Reading is such a big fundamental skill and many students are failing at it or have no idea where to begin. I teach music so reading is fundamentally a huge skill for my students. I call it music reading but I still have students who struggle and most of the times: They are struggling outside of my class with reading and English. 5. The lack of consistency: Every state, every county, town, city, village, and school district expect different things from their communities, families, students, teachers, and administrators. Making it difficult to gauge if all students are achieving throughout the U.S. I think it’s important to acknowledge that the Department of Education is only 45 years old. Not even 50. Comparing it to other countries that have had decades and even centuries to get their education standard is quite a big accomplishment. Is the department perfect, absolutely NOT. But has it done a decent job of setting Americans up to be able to read, write, and contribute to society: Yes. Hopefully it gets better. This starts by voting not just in presidential elections but your general elections for people who want to support your community and especially the youth. 6. Last point, Opportunities: It’s interesting that the students outside of the U.S. have more opportunities for language learning, apprenticeships, and overall enjoying the world. Imagine if instead of trying to force students straight into college and straight into the workforce to help pay off the “national debt” and deficits. What if students were given the opportunity to grow and learn valuable life skills instead of trying to what’s on the “test”. Imagine students learning multiple languages while living in another country after high school. Getting the opportunity to see the world and not just experience it behind a screen. What if “we” really invested in the youth instead of new jobs and pushing for college (which may or may not be for everyone). I believe we would see more young people invested in other areas of the workforce and many of them are bright and have great ideas. They just don’t have the Opportunities!! Thank you for the TEDTalk. This topic is not black or white but very gray with years of issues that have not been addressed and now it’s boiling over.

@kris78787 4 ай бұрын

We all know the real reason teachers are leaving. These kid's behaviors are atrocious. And, when you try to contact the parent, they dont pick up the phone or respond to emails.

@ladyanime100 4 ай бұрын

What's to get? Low salaries, lack of respect and support by school administration, parents and students, lack of supplies, hostile and unsafe environment by students and sometimes location of school, no consequences for the unruly students, angry parents, government interference...should I continue

@courtneypuzzo2502 4 ай бұрын

Entitled parents/violent children class overcrowding & poor pay among other things are some of the reasons teachers are quitting my cousin Adrianne is an English teacher at Winthrop HS recently transferred from Malden it wasn't always as bad as it is now

@summeralonso2482 4 ай бұрын

As a veteran educator and instructional coach, I think 3 of the largest reasons teachers leave were left out here. While pay and culture (often influenced by the leadership) are big factors, the fact that teachers are very overworked--cutting into family time and weekends to meet deadlines definitely adds to teacher burn-out. Also a lack of support and respect for teachers, sometimes by administrators, but often by parents who don't support the teacher with discipline and expectations--this has changed drastically over my years in education. Lastly, many teachers are being hired who are either not certified or have no education training. They feel overwhelmed, they are unequipped and they haven't invested all of their college years and money into this practice. IMO, this again goes back to lack of respect for our work, but by the government. Learning to teach is an intricate, detailed experience and yet they think any Joe Blow off the street could do it. It's offensive really. Would we let untrained soldiers on to the battlefield? Give non-degreed "doctors" surgical tools and an operating room? Not all but many uncertified, untrained teachers not only affect themselves and their students when they aren't up to par, but it makes the jobs of their colleagues more difficult as well.

@Shannon-gr7rm 4 ай бұрын

Other people's children are hard to deal with.

@brieb4317 4 ай бұрын

Horrible pay. I am considering leaving my profession because I can’t keep my head above water. It’s a shame I’ve seen many other teachers have to do the same in my workplace alone.

@bclamore 4 ай бұрын

The Culture and Leadership reasons can be combined; they are the same thing. Students are customers, since funding is tied to enrollment. Misbehavior is tolerated way past what it should be. Teachers are at the bottom of the food chain. They can report misbehavior to admin, but the student is back in class the next day. What does the child learn? That they can do whatever they want. Where are the parents? In a low income district, who knows-- many reasons. In wealthy districts parents ingrain that education is important.

@lisaalbrecht7900 4 ай бұрын

Not only are they back in class, but they have been given a sticker or other trinket before they are returned.

@kaylahood1000 4 ай бұрын

Bad ass students and low pay.

@RCenal 4 ай бұрын

Crappy parents as well That doesn't help Not as many parents involved with their kids education

@kris78787 4 ай бұрын

The disrespect from kids is off the charts. And when you try to contact the parents, they don't answer the phone.

@drewg7036 4 ай бұрын

Low pay to where some teachers can't even afford a studio apartment anywhere near their school, disrespectful students who will physically and verbally assault teachers and face no true consequences, parents who would defend their kids and vilify their kids teacher no matter what. Administrators who don't care and go above and beyond to serve themselves and not the teachers or students.

@richatlarge462 4 ай бұрын

"Students."

@emankcin1334 4 ай бұрын

I knew what part of the reason was before even clicking the video, simply teachers don't get paid enough for what they do. It is crazy because if you have a teacher that isn't getting compensated fairly some of them act that way towards doing their jobs, then it effects how good of an education kids get in schools. If you have a well paid teacher who is taken care of, they are more likely to care about their job and really have a positive impact on kids lives. Not to mention cost of living has grown like crazy the past few years, they can't even afford basic necessities which is obviously a problem. If any teachers are reading this and you feel you are undercompensated but still show up and do your job, and do it well, you at least have my appreciation and many others across the country. The work you do is very very important to the future of not only the U.S., the kid, but that kid that you taught could grow up and change the world one day.

@fairywingsonroses 4 ай бұрын

I cared so much. I absolutely loved my job, but it didn't pay enough to get me out of a toxic and abusive situation at home. And that did affect my ability to do the job. Financial and other stresses do impact your work ethic/capabilities at any job. There are even studies done that show that people actually make better/healthier life decisions when they aren't worried about money. Unfortunately with teaching, all of that stress doesn't just impact you.

@emankcin1334 4 ай бұрын

@@fairywingsonroses I'm sorry to hear that, you should be able to do what you love without having to worry about outside factors. I graduated high school not too long ago and you could clearly tell the teachers who NEEDED the job and the ones who just had the job while their spouse or whatever paid the majority of the bills/ did not have to worry financially. Looking back at it a few years later I had that realization because in school a teacher was just a teacher to me, I was not thinking about how much they were making. Looking back on it for some of the students they have to put up with/things they have to go through in school alone they were definitely underpaid. Not to mention the amount of extra time they put in at home/after work trying to keep up with their jobs because you really have to do a lot especially in middle and high school. I now work at a boarding school and the teachers are well taken care of, and I've never actually sat in one of the classes being taught but you can tell the kids really actually look forward to classes, seeing their teachers, and the teachers are always in high spirits and doing their thing. I hope you can return to teaching one day as we need more people who do genuinely care. I feel like most people who get into the realm of teaching do it for the love of it, but like we discussed it is just so hard to sustain that life when you are undercompensated, not to mention what teachers have to deal with like external pressures from home and etc. I hope you are in a somewhat good place now and hopefully schools and the education system across the U.S. can figure their shit out. Teachers have one of the most important jobs up there with healthcare workers in my opinion.

@fairywingsonroses 4 ай бұрын

@@emankcin1334 Thank you. I'm taking some time off to re-evaluate my life, but I'm in a much better place now.

@terrencegartland 4 ай бұрын

Increased pay won't guarantee results. While more pay is necessary to retain teachers and be competitive, it should not be spun as the only factor involved. You could double my pay but you couldn't make it possible for me to work against a host of other, proven factors that affect a child's ability to succeed in the classroom and throughout the day. Money can't buy time in the day, but it would convince people we need to do more, which we can't do. The cycle doesn't end.

@emankcin1334 4 ай бұрын

@@terrencegartland What else has to be done in your opinion?

@madiazrivera1958 4 ай бұрын

Simple, work overloadwhich included nights and weekends, a hint of "if you dont do this in a certain way you will be sued, and a salary of 22k a year minus deductions.

@esthervarney4011 4 ай бұрын

Oh I can tell you one reason a teacher would leave -Parents don't listen and their child do no wrong. I have been in pre k for forty years and when I offer my opinion or my insights they look at me and say what do you know??????? And parents are rude and mean 😢😢😢😢

@hollyawoods 4 ай бұрын

I was in high school in the 80’s and students were horrible then. I know they are worse now. You couldn’t get me to be a teacher for even a million dollars.

@lhome8680 4 ай бұрын

Teachers have been telling you this for a long time, you're not listening, it gets worse every year.

@loriwollman6198 2 ай бұрын

Student unruly behavior with no consequences is really the number one reason.

@stevekrag1610 4 ай бұрын

Not an educator but know several who claim more voter approved tax money goes to administration than to classrooms. Support our K-12 educators, not administrators!!!

@munimathbypeterfelton6251 4 ай бұрын

And as usual, student and parental shortcomings remain swept under the rug.

@waleedkhalid7486 4 ай бұрын

None of the issues on their own causes a teacher to quit. It’s all the stress that piles up at work and at home due to the nonsense that drives teachers out. A teacher knows that they have signed up to teach. They don’t always know they have signed up to be the school janitor, counselor, parent, secretary, and many other roles at the same time.

@hr6334 4 ай бұрын

STRESS

@drew2c659 4 ай бұрын

Im not sure why we keep talking about this. We all know why we’re leaving the profession. Nothing is going to change. Parents aren’t parenting. Teachers are the scapegoat for everything. Things continue to get more expensive for the working class where only the super rich get paid and everyone else suffers. It comes down to how much we’re willing to tolerate from the system because we love the kids. What do you tell someone who knows their passion is teaching and working with kids? Do something else? But who is fixing the real issues?