What’s killing your WoW FPS? Part 1: Weak Auras

[@AJx868]

Asmonsilver is here

[@arnoldchand4144]

lmao the best one yet

[@FireSignd]

More like Asmondiamond or Asmonplatinum since he actually adds something valuable to the community

[@kgtrees2423]

@@FireSignd you clearly werent around when asmon played wow huh

[@WrightAid]

😭😭😭😭

[@khiryislive]

YOU WIN

[@YoungsterJoey151]

Glad to see someone making videos like this again. True wow help is so few and far between.

[@BigDaddyWes]

Totally agree. Too many people just expect you to know everything and shame you when you don't.

[@diddedidde4799]

What a king! Thank you mate, I will be sure checking this. I usually dont lag but sometimes the FPS drops a bit and its frustrating

[@Filipedanielomg]

Thank you. My boy Addongold never fails to come through with the addon secret tech

[@mysticalos]

That's a new one. I've been called budget or walmart asmon or linus, but not addongold yet :D

[@RobK769]

made my day 😂

[@vaels5682]

Addongold is the winner

[@bertsvello]

Dude, your content is absolutely golden! Helped me out tremendously, can't thank you enough!

[@ziripituu]

Hey man don't mind the comments! Incredible video, thank you for informing the community of this. This is a very common issue that afects many players, myself included. Even having a mid tier PC, i wasnt expecting to have such a mediocre performance during certain fights/zones. I didn't really understood what a "Model" is or what it does, but I''m thankful to know that there can be an external cause to blame for the sometimes bad performance of the game.

[@berkan54]

Your delivery and teaching skills are really good. What a good and useful video, appreciate it alot.

[@mysticalos]

Thanks

[@IlluviAsh]

Would probably rename the video to "why weakaura is killing your fps in WoW" or something, as the title you have now makes it seems like you are going to go over the in-game graphics options.

[@mysticalos]

That's fair. I'll probably record a follow up right away tonight to go over graphics settings and another UI bug that are also causing fps issues. I do plan to go into graphics options. But this particular issue was in fact leading cause of fps drops amongst most raiders i talked to. graphics settings are more for lower end PCs and I did try to emphasize here this particular issue was dragging down even best of PCs (and of course it's also really dragging down lower and even mid range ones).

[@turtvaiz]

@@mysticalos Can you spoil this UI bug shortly?

[@ACE-yg6hz]

@@mysticalos have you had any reports of the game freezing up completely for 10-20 seconds?! Happens to me in Delves only, and has caused me many deaths. This expac has been the most technically buggy one for me, so many issues and poor performance.

[@Kemyo0]

Thanks a lot - this is very nice i'll share it to raiders We need to spread the idea that until models are fixed (if they ever will be), people who makes weakauras should avoid making models

[@VladsBackupAccount]

If you feel a bit lazy, you could run a small snippet like this directly into your chat and it should spit out any WeakAuras you have installed that use models: */run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end*

[@YoutubeMyn]

VIP

[@Cyprien0]

That's absolutely perfect, many thanks!

[@FireSignd]

@@Impuracle If nothing happens, you dont use any WAs that use models.

[@gabber_]

legendary comment

[@okami5976]

Please dont spread this bad script, this only checks if there is a model in the WA, this isnt checking if the model is actually enabled. Here is a fixed script you can use: /run for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if a.regionType=="model"and a.model_visible~=false then print(n)end for _,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"and s.model_visible~=false then print(n)end end end

[@empty_rivers]

Hey that's my messages you screenshotted!! Look ma, I'm on TV!!!! I've been on a huge bender this last month or so hunting down all sorts of performance problems in all sorts of surprising places. This model bug is the biggest one, but also I fixed that weakauras was using several times as much memory in its codegen as it needed to, which contributed to some stuttering when a WA load. There was even a bug i found with the DynamicCam addon which caused it to scan your entire mount journal every time you were mounted and any player in earshot gained or lost any buff or debuff (think about that one encounter in dawnbreaker dungeon where you have to fly away 😅), that one was crashing my fps so hard i couldn't fly inside of dornogal! I'm really glad you posted this, afenar's aura pack uses model effects somewhat liberally and I know it's very popular.

[@mysticalos]

Yeah I wanted to get it out there to users, and also to blizzard. I sent video to my friend on engine team to see what's up. maybe he'll even use your test aura :D Another thing I think is a factor is the reported GROUP_ROSTER_UPDATE spam happening in instances. even when no one is joining or leaving group. it no doubt is having performance impact on base ui and addons performing any update code on this event.

[@3idjn7]

Do you know if any of the dungeon or raid weak auras are cursed like this as well? Also does the sound implementations for weak auras have any additional loads since some auras I see are phattt asf but I'm not capable of figuring anying out.

[@benjaminr8863]

@empty_rivers I only use Afenar's WA & have a lot of performance issue. Do you know any WA template's that do not have this problem ?

[@crookedlid9653]

bro looks like Connor McDavid and Asmongold had a love child, insane, I love it

[@jayryan1956]

Lmao I was like dam mcdavid finally found his true passion

[@mysticalos]

I'm saying "Model" . Funny story to this. I was always pronouncing it "mod el" like you would any time you read word with model airplane or 3d model etc. But people kept correcting me saying "it's not same word. it's mode el here" so in video I changed pronunciation to "mode el" but maybe most of world was reading it mod el too :D I still don't know what context is correct for THIS usage of word to be honest but I should have just stuck with "mod el" since most (like me) just have always read/understood it that way. :D

[@noneedforid]

I kept hearing the word "modal" and it was confusing the hell out of me. And then I figured out you were talking about models.

[@riotinprogress]

The way you're currently pronouncing it is how the British pronounce it. In America we say "maa-dl" kzbin.info/www/bejne/eoXJZqBuZauNiMU

[@mysticalos]

@@riotinprogress Kinda fits then. DBMs default voice pack is British Amy :D.

[@ldjg2002-t6o]

@@riotinprogress What? i thought it was an american thing, ive never heard any brit say it that way :)

[@TiltedScotsman]

@@riotinprogress that is not how we say Model in Britain lmao, its the same as you would say model airplane or whatever in american english. I've never heard someone pronounce it as Mode-al over here

[@ailuropanda5449]

Randomly popped in my YT feed and saved me 140 fps Thx man for real

[@JarsKISS73]

If the "models" are causing a problem with WeakAuras, they must the causing problems in other addons too. I'm not exactly sure what those "models" are from the engine point of view but one thing immediately came to mind: player/target portraits in unit frame addons (like Shadowed Unit Frames).

[@Grandy_UiD]

Good point, I was thinking what other addons I use might use models and SUF didn't even come to mind. Gonna check that as soon as I am home.

[@drey934]

I can confirm that SUF 3D unit frames 100% tanks FPS. turn them off.

[@Grandy_UiD]

@@drey934 Hm, tried it and for me the difference is negligible.

[@Cloax]

Subbed! love your attention to detail sir and explanation is superb

[@mysticalos]

Appreciate the support!

[@ford50stang]

Thanks for the video, will definitely have to check my WA’s tomorrow. Liked and subscribed! Cheers!

[@puntacana7550]

Im so glad that this video isn’t just another of those “turn your graphics down” to fix the fps video. Lol very informative thx Asmongold!

[@SWHHReice]

Thanks for helping with the visibility of this issue Omegal

[@arlenenolte8475]

Yes, I have had this problem!! I have a nice computer but was worried I would have to get a new one. Thank you this is so helpful

[@AnaNotSoElegant]

Holy crap this explains so much! Thank you, I was concerned this issue came from a GPU I got recently. Can only pray Blizzard listens to the feedback

[@AdelphiaaWoW]

The Asmon bullying is wild, this video is insane value, subbed! you taking it really well though haha (the trolling)

[@mysticalos]

honestly see the parallel. there is actually way more than you know. We have many personality differences, but quite a few parallel too, especially with life experiences. Plus I am another balding middle aged red head with a beard. Although i think he pulls off long hair and pony tale better. I keep my hair short despite how much more it shows when i look down, because it's lower maintenance.

[@Corrie948]

Thank you for bringing attention to this bug and also for your amazing work with dbm. Hope you are doing alright despite the hurricane situation.

[@mysticalos]

most recovered from hurricane now. was out for 9 days 15 hours and 13 minutes

[@NexxQ]

Thank you Asmonfromwish really important topic! thank you for highlighting it!

[@christofferolofsson7908]

Im subscribing to this man for this, you just saved me 40 in-combat fps, and im super thankful!🙏🏻

[@Nuray653]

THANK YOU DUDE ! I WAS BECOMING CRAZY

[@GaeFootballClub]

evil asmongold be like: let me help you enjoy wow

[@oriongaby]

My man, earned a sub from me with this video.

[@GeorgMaUlWurf]

for me it was nerubar palace weakaura pack it caused 25fps drop outside of the raid just enabling this aura (with the green eye button in WA)

[@Nohandlethankyou1]

What should I do if Im lagging on a 5600 & 6750xt? I want to mention I use 0 addons at the moment. Change cpu to 5800x3d because my 5600 cant handle cpu bound Dornogol? Also, I’ll use your settings today. From that video where you explain I shouldnt use max background / foreground fps if my amd is using freesync. My display is also a 1440p lg ultragear that has gsync on it (freesync compatible) and I had all 3 fps settings set to 200 😂

[@Croco-booy]

went rfom 30-50 fps in busy dornogal to 70 fps cuz of this! thank you sir

[@seansotir]

thanks a lot for the research and video, it really helped increase my fps, just for the research I am using as well 5800x3d. Also by any chance would plater also affect?

[@bruddah_]

Did heroic earlier and on the first pull, my PC about died for like 4 seconds. This not normally! Afenar definitely getting in my guts with his WA pack.

[@mysticalos]

you probably want to troubleshoot addons and WAs

[@marinosvlachos1458]

I have a question regarding overclocked cpus. I have recently upgraded my ryzen 5700X to an overclocked 5700X3d version. My GPU is the AMD Radeon 6700XT. In raid when there are 25+ people my FPS drop to the dirt from like 140 to 20-35 FPS at best regardless if I'm using the standard blizzard UI or ElvUI. Is the overclocking affecting wow negatively in your opinion? I don't know what to do since my setup is not old and still have this FPS issues in raid. Any tip would be appreciated.

[@mysticalos]

if anything over clocking usually helps unless it’s not a stable one and maybe you’re hitting thermal limits and throttling.

[@marinosvlachos1458]

@@mysticalos thank u for the reply.

[@BeowulfGaming]

You earned a sub, i went into TWW with ElvUI and some WAs, i had 45 fps in dungeons, it was driving me crazy, i tried everything, then i got rid of ElvUI and i am back to 120 fps, but i get stutters in some dungeons or fights, i think its the models, i was using one with it so i deleted it. I think something similar was being run with ElvUI, its insane that that interface overhaul halved my FPS, so i presume it had similar elements that the game was not in conflict with just like the models.

[@YoureWrongImRightGetOverIt]

I'm kinda shocked people use ElvUi still. Blizzard completely reworked the Ui and made it fully customizable in the base game years ago.

[@EBINHD]

elvui is great. doesnt really affect my fps at all

[@LouSassole]

So I don’t even have WeakAuras downloaded. I use ElvUi. I however am having this same problem with my FPS tanking. So what is the play if you don’t even use / have WA downloaded and are still having this problem? Thanks.

[@bzmotoninja83]

Good lord, thank you for this. My pc is no slouch but, in raid, especially in larger groups, id go from 250fps to many seconds per frame.

[@russmanYT]

this started late in dragonflight, after one of the patches i had absolutely garbage fps and it's because my rage bar was using a model to make it animated. I purged all the models from my auras and boom, fps returned.

[@musicenjoyer]

dude incredible subbed holy hell thank you so much just a godsend im out of words LOL

[@RolandTschiah]

this is huge, thank you for this video

[@milad-kh892]

very helpfull... thanks mate cheers

[@murrayfallen1424]

big thanks dude. went from around 30ish fps to 70fps in raid!

[@asikora85]

GJ man! keep the good work. I recently change my pc and game on raids running like dog shit. part of it were old addons. I am glad the problem has been issued my blizzard, since wow is only game I know where you bought a fresh pc and it still doesnt not work as intended. I probablu could lunch Wukong no maximum setup and it should run smoothly.

[@lion101yt]

It was a case since DF (or even before that?). I've noticed it because I was using Arfena's class WA and he uses small models in every resource bar that cause my fps drops.

[@mysticalos]

it started at end of DF

[@drpeppaerdrpeppaer5434]

Thanks for the video Asmonsilver

[@fonsu910]

That's really strange. I added a bunch of models for testing, but it didn't affect the FPS in my game like yours at all. I have a 4070 and an Intel Core i5-11400F, but the maximum FPS I can achieve in this game is between 80-100. 30-50 on Dornagal. none of my weakauras have those models btw

[@mysticalos]

perhaps they weren't visible/loaded when added? might also just be how much spare load there is. i ran a situation where I made sure the load was maxed out before adding, so it would drop performance. but if say you are capped at 120, but have power for 140, then dropping fps by 10 wouldn't drop em at all if you weren't hitting your peak in first place? just requires more testing.

[@ysxbel]

for progress bars it doesnt affect my FPS until the progress is visible

[@Shamaniukas]

So what a suggestion delete these Wa ? Some are useful

[@fonsu910]

@@Shamaniukas You can safely delete the models. Some weakauras with models do not affect performance or visual issues with the weakaura.

[@Shamaniukas]

@@fonsu910 funny thing i dont see models :D like in videos :)

[@deadsyt]

I have a 5800x3d and a 6900xt and im having fps issues using atrocity UI and that have only 1 model on entitire UI. Still having FPS issues on high quantity of mobs

[@mysticalos]

The comments have brought up an interesting data point. most users having fps issues no matter what, are using 5800x3d . I'm actually gonna pass that on for blizzard to test

[@deadsyt]

@@mysticalos i guess thats going to be a amd issue, i've seem more decents CPU like 7800x3d too maybe is a 3d issue ?

[@xxgeimxx]

Im running 1700x and having same frame drops during same fights. rest of game running smoothy

[@deadsyt]

@@xxgeimxx Yeah u really can see the issue only on combat

[@zargotkrax]

​@@deadsyt me and 2 guildmates also have 7800 x3d and our fps seem to be fine (we have stable fps on mythic broodtwister ovi'nax which might be the laggiest fight in a long time). but keep in mind that I'm playing on the lowest raid graphics since I don't care about graphics while i'M raiding. that said on this fight I had some fps problem when the adds spawned and for that I "made" a plater profile which disabled the nameplate for the small adds (because there are like 10-15 on the first set ). I also modified details update interval to 3 second. afaik the game runs better with a cpu that has good l3 cache (which is supposedly true for most if not all games but especially true for wow) other than that if I have a stream open or other high(ish) cpu usage process on my second monitor then my fps halves in wow even though overall cpu usage might be only around 10-20%. the cause of this is probably that wow mostly uses 1(?) core so if multiple processes use the same core it might cause issue. (this might be false but it seems true from my experience) also tagging @mysticalos since he might be interested in some additional data

[@Vineandrade45]

here the big fps drop is when parasites spawns on ovinax, maybe platter has something like that

[@Sammysapphira]

Nameplates require a lot of computation and plater is notoriously inefficient.

[@mysticalos]

yeah nameplate mods can be heavy. but i actually only drop to like. 53fps in worst of it on that fight. with quazii player profile. but i also remove some things from his profile i dont use. lighter is better so i have a habit of killing off scripts i dont need.

[@stefanzdravkov5688]

@@mysticalos hey man, could you share with us what things i might disable on quazi profile to see some improvements ? I really like his profile ,but it seems like plater is doing some shenanigans

[@olawfhjorth9985]

You can try to increase the update time of your plates. Some external profiles use 0.10. I changed it to 0.25 and got less stutter. Also increasing update time on Details/Skada can help

[@lyraerr]

@@olawfhjorth9985 elvui got this option?

[@serogriff]

I encountered a similar problem in DF, when my pala WA used fx models for holy power. But I think, that is not the only problem. When I using a lowers render scale (any other than 100%, for example 98%) with FidelityFX filter for better final rendering, the game is also being lagging if any of model are renders in UI layer: WA, overlay characters on frames, character screen, etc... Also, modern water shader with full reflection also being lagging, lol. So, the way for me in this case - set render scale to 100% or turn off any models in UI and set the lowest preset for water. I distinctly remember how the WOTLK version started to slow down in the middle of the expansion after the release of the next content patch and the update of the game engine, so this problem are common for all wow versions right now.

[@simonzendel1122]

I'll try this later as I have a custom built system to play wow on and for the first time ever I suffer fps issues. To the point I am considering whether or not I can mythic raid. This could be the reason.

[@Dragonking1984]

Does this model issue exclusive to WA? Or does it effect other addon's as well? Also I've been getting a lot of random disconnects since the start of TWW sometimes the game will have massive input lag before rubber banding & other times it will just random boot me out & with the generic wow error code & i have to hit the reconnect button & log back into my character.

[@mysticalos]

it affects other addons too, but which ones hard to say. random disconnects though likley not related to fps or addons unless you're freezing up.

[@Dragonking1984]

@@mysticalos Well i am having freeze up's but only on occasion It's mostly just random disconnects. Either way this is good information to have

[@MORGATH99]

is your glove in your right hand a medical thing ? ( if so can you share details ) or just something you like ?

[@mysticalos]

yes. compression gloves for arthritis. they really help. reason it’s right hand only is because that’s mouse hand. the one that needs it most

[@MORGATH99]

@@mysticalos thanks for the reply i think im in the early stages of arthritis ill look into those gloves thanks again

[@MORGATH99]

@@mysticalos is there any brand you recommend ?

[@mysticalos]

off amazon i just subscribe and save with the dr frederick’s compression gloves. make sure you size em correctly. if you use em daily you’ll need to replace probably every 3-4 weeks.

[@Omili]

I don't use WA and have serious FPS problems on more than capable computer to run 165 fps. I quess ShestakUI or rare scanner causes same problem. Need to try the ovinax without nameplates because It seems to be slowing down always when there is more than few nameplates on the screen.

[@mysticalos]

Yeah, it's possible other mods triggering same issue. Worth testing some things. For rares I use silverdragon, it has a convinient checkbox that says "don't scan in instances" among other nice features that make it prefer it over rarescanner.

[@Omili]

@@mysticalos Thanks for the info, I'll try that!

[@sketch2831]

gj. this is exactly why i never keep giant weakaura packs. i take the 1-2 parts of them i actually use and delete the rest.

[@mysticalos]

i always tell people this. people run too much

[@Qstorm88]

Great video thanks!

[@Sapzilla]

Appreciate the info bro

[@nev_wow]

Great service to the community

[@Kemyo0]

It seems the weakauras package we're using for raid (we got method & northern sky) don't use models However i remember clearly losing fps on Heroic week on Ovinax - And during Ptr it was an absolute nightmare I wonder if it was something else or if it was Models weakauras as well doing that (could be just nameplates) Would love to see people check Platers as well - i feel like nameplates and plater cause fps drops as well

[@ZomgZomg007]

What model Weakaura is everyone running on brood? Because none of my weakauras run it, and it drops to 30-35fps on heavy aoe in mythic, i've found lossless scaling to help with this, but i don't think any of the weakaurs already run model feature for this boss, which means the issue is still the 20+year old engine.

[@mysticalos]

the engine has been overhauled over the years. but it still has work to go that keeps being blocked. other causes are elvui or tukui or player or details for some users. depending on profiles used and settings. likely models again

[@Waevform]

In another comment thread on this video there’s a person who says a large FPS drop there can be due to plater and they mention importing a mod to make it so parasites only show their health bar and nothing else and that it reduces the problem significantly

[@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525]

I knew Weakaura was doing all this FPS problem, also the long loading screens. The only fix i've found was to remove some WA's but it's not always enough because i''m heavily dependent on them. The other day i tried to do a LFR raid, and i was at 8fps the whole time... kinda crazy knowing i got a Ryzen 12cores and a RX6750XT that should be able to give way more fps...

[@dominotrix]

I tested the problematic WA and my fps do not drop. But they do drop at 18fps when I am on Queen Ansurek and specifically the intermission phase. I disabled WA + DBM and I still have fps issues, so It's not always addons.

[@mysticalos]

depending on graphics settings and spec there are def still problems in raid. i think a more overall video is needed next discussing rest. im shocked problem test aura didn’t trigger it. you sure it was loaded/visible?

[@GURKS35]

Fsr is broken, keep resolution scale at 100%

[@adbirdk]

@@GURKS35 I've set my renderscale to 75% and that gave me a lot of performance back. will try to put it back to 100% now that weak auras are fixed.

[@sfarsitulumi]

Naowh baited an entire generation into using FSR + sharpening to make the game look like absolute utter ass and have lowe fps​@@GURKS35

[@khalidald5704]

@@GURKS35 Fsr is so broken on WoW. Upscaling over 100% kills my FPS

[@tejsfrank8554]

Awesome to see a fellow mac gamer, and nice find on the bug. But your machine is running into really high temps 93C at 7:18 that could also be causing performance issues as your machine will throttle at these levels.

[@mysticalos]

it wont' get much hotter then that, and it's only that high during video record due to maxing out literally ALL the cores for both the game AND encoder simultaneously :D

[@danieltodd9038]

Isn't the primary purpose of weakauras is to show you information in model form?? I have a pretty good computer and my FPS drops bad in 30 man raids. Was wondering if DBM may affect FPS???

[@mysticalos]

DBM shouldn't affect fps due to model issue anyways. Bars all use textures only. and weak auras have that option too (to use textures instead). but you're right that you SHOULD be able to use models without issues, that's a new bug since TWW prepatch.

[@amvmix6750]

This game should run on a calculator at 60 fps idk how they managed to fck it up this bad

[@Spanakopitaa]

Could this be related to ElvUI's fps drop? Do we know if they use models in their code?

[@mysticalos]

I'm not really sure, but i actually have a video going up soon discussing elvui and other addons that were brought up.

[@syriek]

Great insights, thank you

[@XPercussion]

More people need to know this!

[@jackall114]

Not only weakauras, any addon that has a 3d model of some sort, i use shadowunitframes, one day with my gf pc, which has the same spec cpu and graphics cards as mine, i noticed my fps way higher than with my pc on the same zone, after much trial and error i found that the 3d models for player, target and party was the culprit of my lower fps.

[@Drekulviin]

I don't have Weak Aura and in Dornogal my fps drop a lot. I happen too in Valdraken after pre-patch. I drop my game settings and still have a massive drop in fps.

[@mysticalos]

probably heavily cpu bound.

[@darcraven01]

hmmm..... i dont use weak auras. only addons i have running consistantly is tomtom and healbot (and even healbot is "disabled" on most my characters since most arent healers).. either of them is causing model issues?

[@5133937]

How do you run that script? I tried putting it in a WoW macro and also importing into Weakauras and both failed.

[@mysticalos]

just paste copy and paste it to chat

[@jabiralmaazmi]

thank you asmonsilver for the guide

[@dnddelinquent]

Bro wtf. I was having this issue and YT popped it up on my recommended... All praise the YT algorithm

[@stevekarvo6299]

If you want a visual representation then is there a way around this? e.g. i want my spells to show up and such. I've noticed it occurs for icons too not as bad but it still happens....

[@mysticalos]

use texture or icon. there will always be some impact but it shouldn't be nearly as bad as models, unless you use a lot. at end of day you still want to make sure you're using only want you need and culling stuff you no longer need. using smart load conditions so when you don't need x it isn't loaded. and if you are making your own you're trying to use built in triggers when possible over writing custom ones that use more cpu.

[@arnoldchand4144]

thank you brother this saved my gameplay experience

[@mysticalos]

If you saw an improvement, curious what it was.

[@McKadesArKade]

subbed thanks for the video

[@mysticalos]

Thanks for the sub!

[@NeuroBe]

I have like 24 fps in hub cities like Valdrakken and Dornogal. Probably due to my old i5-8500. Use Elvui, Plater, and a very limited number of small WAs. No issues anywhere else. I guess for me it's the CPU ? GPU is an RTX 3070.

[@mysticalos]

an old cpu will definitely cpu bound you near lots of players. It's definitely a huge problem with engine. They've improved multi threading in graphics rendering but two areas need massive improvement. the UI still running on graphics threads and way they handle players near you needs to be threaded better.

[@katzicael]

I figured out it was a weakaura a while ago, but had no idea why. I have been raiding Without weakauras lol. 3080+5800X3D shouldn't struggle like it was, so I narrowed it down.

[@mysticalos]

A lot of others have 5800X3D and are having massive issues and i'm trying to figure out why. I wonder if there is a very specific setting it chokes on. You got any insight?

[@Neonvvvv]

Hey do you happen to know if the the model being checked to show makes a difference or not?

[@mysticalos]

That I don't know.

[@TRU3OGR3]

Do Icons/Progress bars/Prog textures/Text etc… count as models in this context? Or are we specifically taking 3D model auras? But even in palace with no addons go test FPS. This is a great and intelligent video on the issue though. TY for the vid though, glad people are bringing the game’s performance up.

[@foreignerthethird7045]

Does exist some addon that will manage which addons will run in dungeon, in open world or raid enviroment? for example when i have normal graphic settings for open world and m+, and then separate for raid, i want only few addons to run in raid automatically ?

[@TheXerosyn]

I dont have any with Models, yet I am always running at 30-40 fps. Built my computer last year with near top of the line equipment so should still be good.

[@mysticalos]

What cpu and gpu, and also what monitor/resolution and settings?

[@mooncaller2492]

Do you know what would cause massive lag during Silken Court when Takazj uses Shatter Existence? that phase is always unplayable for me.

[@mysticalos]

possibly a certain visual effect maybe. what cpu/gpu

[@mooncaller2492]

@@mysticalos AMD Ryzen 9 4900HS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060

[@mysticalos]

might just be the age of both of those and blizzard’s optimization here. but maybe try reducing particle effects some?

[@b9ty]

Are addons like Masque or something like Clean Icons also affected? (textures =/ models I guess, but still curious...)

[@mysticalos]

textures shouldn’t be impacted with same severity. of course every addon takes a little but it shouldn’t be such an extreme

[@damid]

Thanks for the info

[@Dene181]

Interesting find, didn't do much for be, but good to know! Funny that you mention that the problem comes more from Blizzard's side, I can totally see that being the case. If you play epic bgs like Ashran nowadays, you see how BAD the performance is. My PC is damn old now, but the hardware (with less Ram and worse gpu) ran Ashran pretty good/ok in WoD, but now it's a pixel show. The environment and graphics of the bg did not change at all from WoD to now, yet there is an extreme hit in fps and performance there. I assume it is mostly because of newer spell/character models and partly because of nameplates. But what we could assume from Blizz nowadays, they test stuff with 0 addons and say it's fine. lol 🤷‍♂

[@tarask.4005]

Hello! Thanks for this video. Please, could you make a video about the best graphics settings for macos? Or maybe you have already published such information somewhere and it can be read?

[@mysticalos]

I'm definitely gonna work on a graphics settings video tonight and have it out by tomorrow morning cause it's a popular request and I actually do know a lot about topic (actually probably more than most, since i work with issues all the time on tech support forums and talk with the actual engine devs constantly).

[@tarask.4005]

​@@mysticalosYou are the best! We are looking forward to your video! Thank you so much for helping us 🙏

[@ocelotl23]

ty so much asmonbronze, i was getting crazy i thought it was time to get a new gpu

[@KokoTrQl]

I've just tried putting the /run command nothing is happening while next to that I asked to 5 friends trying it and for them, a window is popping saying you are gonna run a script .... and need to accept. Any help please ?

[@mysticalos]

first time you run a script you have to authorize it

[@KokoTrQl]

@@mysticalos Problem is I've never had to authorize and that's the first time i'm running script

[@jules3431]

geez finally, thanks for your work! im running 30 fps in raid on a 7800x3d and it's driving me nuts. i hope they can fix it fast

[@mysticalos]

Let me know if change makes a positive change. there are other issues in raid too but i think they are topics for a diff video follow up to this one. But this one was most glaring among most raiders that i've seen since these days it's common place to run many raid and class aura packs that use models

[@Ridrix]

Noticed an issue with details while in raid. - Removing details brought FPS back up to 144 from 75.

[@mysticalos]

I'm gonna cover that in next video but details uses an aggressive update raid by default and changing it to a more modest refresh rate significantly improves fps

[@daytona-x7b]

do you maybe know some lightweight alternative to Details?

[@mysticalos]

skada usually but it’s not updated for tww yet. i run it modified locally though just to avoid overhead of details.

[@someshkilari]

I have a 1050(laptop) and play at 30 fps normal content and 15-20 group content, any fix for that? beside the obvious one of course 😜

[@mysticalos]

what's screen resolution on it? Biggest tip really is probably render scale and FSR (fidelity super resolution) will be best weapon to meet higher fps. basically upscale lower resolution to a higher resolution output. helps especially with 1440p and 2160p displays. for 1080p displays not so much, at that point it's likely super blurry and ugly.

[@someshkilari]

@@mysticalos it's 1080, yea the setup is outdated. My question was more of a joke than a genuine one but I do appreciate your help. Cheers mate, hope you do well 🤞🏼

[@mortaljorma69]

I think ill ditch wa and plater. In dragonflight i had proper fps during raids without using them but now in S1 raid it's been horrible. Basically i can just run max 5man content atm.

[@mysticalos]

I use both without issue but yeah you have to be careful with both because both can be super demanding with wrong profile, setting or WA

[@Andrew-qq8fb]

I don't know if it's related, but I noticed that the addon "LoseControl" is a big culprit of FPS loss.

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

Are you running wow on a VM via a macOS device?

[@mysticalos]

no, it has a native app. but apps that don't I usually use crossover. I'll probably be playing diablo 4 expansion next week on my non wow channel in fact, through the great technologies of Wine and D3DMetal :)

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

@@mysticalos oh I thought you mentioned windows hardware at the beginning so I was confused

[@mysticalos]

well this particular issue with all platforms, so i used PC universally

[@prajna1095]

Hello, thank you for the good video. I didn't understand the video content because I wasn't familiar with English. That's why I'm asking. Why do you use this weakaura? Is it for running this weakaura to decrease the fps and increase the fps if not used? I'm not sure what this means.

[@mysticalos]

the weak aura was used to showcase a bug that can lower fps. it triggers it on purpose to impact

[@chukky1124]

I tried everything, im only running 3090 with intel i9 10800, but it seems that cpu is great in any other game but wow... outside of the city or 30man raid. I have 100+ fps but in the city 40 and raid even 15-20. I tried everything without addons lowest graphics nothing changes. In dungeons and arena and bg around 100, heavy fights in bg are 50 fps. But its steady...i tried reinstalling wow, windows, upgrade tl windows 11 etc. It seems i only can improve it with a new cpu. Seems the i9 10k is bad for wow.

[@mysticalos]

That cpu would struggle with wow yeah. it doesn't handle older cpus well cause it's super cpu intensive sadly

[@KhumiSunguard]

Is it worth it to fix the WAs or is it a simple fix for blizz to make models not break stuff?

[@mysticalos]

i’d expect a fix from blizz to be slow.

[@markuslc1888]

a friend of mine said, there are almost no weakauras with models in it, he has checked after watching this video, which is sad, i hoped it's gonna help 😢

[@denumerable]

Fellow Mac gamers UNITE! I’m here from my M3 Max and I love it for WoW. Subbed!

[@mysticalos]

yep. beast machine.