What's the Real History Behind Vaisakhi 1699?

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

Sorry about the muted audio from 0:00:45 to 0:01:47 😅 If you want to catch that part, check out this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmXCkpRshNRqh7s

[@TheJuicer111]

If you want my honest opinion. It never happened. Source: Sainapati 1708 and any contemporary of GGS. Sikhi Vichar Forum - read the Sikh bulletins. Look at all the research before forming an opinion. It looks to me they invented this story in order to split the religion (suraj parkash is fake 100%) and for people to accept a barman clergy written bachiter Natak (which fails to mention any ceremony). "Khanda Ki Pahul" means the tempering with sword of knowledge. There never was an Amrit ceremony. Sikhs were fully militarised long before. Amrit ceremony is what led to dera taksal led groups taking over the religion and nobody understands gurbani. Whole religion got falsified and corrupted. Kamalroop is an agent or just thick. So real initiation was the imparting of the sword of knowledge to temper physical and mental strength i.e. to be able to read and fully understand the messages of Gurbani. Not a ritual with miracle water.

[@TheJuicer111]

kabir only ever used the word khalseh ਖਾਲਸ. Same as the gurus they only ever used the words khalseh and khalis. They even changed that too. خالصہ (Khalseh), خالص (Khalis). No such word Khalsa exists in Persian/Farsi etc.

[@TheJuicer111]

Amrit means absence of spiritual death therefore means spiritual life.

[@TheJuicer111]

Looking at your other vids you fully believe the barman clergy version of your religion. Its understandable. They took it all over a long time ago. Even from start they corrupted Nanak's son and created Udasis sect.

[@AlittleHistoryoftheSikhs]

I have now listened to this podcast twice on long 100 mile+ driving journies. Thank you to ramblingsofasikh for making all the arrangements to record this interview in his frank and open style. Sincere thanks to Kamalroop Singh for sharing his PhD. work and explain the multiple events that lead to the creation of the Khalsa. I will no doubt listen to this again as the Q&A, the review of sources and the reflections from Kamalroop have made Vaisakhi 2023 one where every widely accepted simple story of our historical events has been examined and presented in a more reliable evidenced narrative.

[@MohanSingh-ug6ly]

Dr Kamalroop Singh, one of the most enlightened singh around

[@prabh-amrit]

Honestly wish there’s a uncut version. Amazing

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

If this video gets 5,000 likes I'll drop the uncut version

[@gill194]

Great content brother. Learning so much!

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

Yoooo!!! 🌟 Huge thanks for this! 🙏 I can't even begin to express how much I appreciate it. You've seriously made my day! 😊👍

[@gill194]

⁠@@RamblingsofaSikh no, thank you bro! Been following you on instagram for a while and your dedication to presenting knowledge has helped me on this journey to Sikhi 🙏🏽 keep smashing it

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

@@gill194 I don't know how I have only just seen this but honestly, your message means so much, thank you so much!

[@J.D.416]

Excellent, yet again! Your previous conversation with Dr Kamalroop Singh is still my fav

[@harjb]

Can someone please reference the link? Thanks 🙏

[@amriquelme]

This is excellent. Paradigm shifting knowledge of Sikhi!

[@sirikhalsa6380]

This was such a good history lesson. I learned a lot i didn't know.

[@rb7341]

Truly a treasure trove of history shared here.

[@contentod5919]

Love how he repeatedly mentions baba maan singh ji ❤

[@nishmeetsingh9155]

❤Watching this again on Vaisakhi❤. Can we get a digital copy of Dr.’s Thesis? Where to request?

[@arpansahsi4781]

I hope these type of videos never end.

[@Neklank]

Listened to it in one sitting. Fascinating take on goats or heads being beheaded during Amrit Sanchar (opposite to Javala Singh's take) and the topic of dates were particularly interesting. One of the standouts for me was that every historian was actually aligned in thought it's just that their view was described over different time periods. One thing I disagree with Kamalroop is there is no need for a Sant or Mahapursh to progress. Gurbani is littered with examples describing the need of a conduit to meet Vaheguru.

[@endeavour1349]

The conduit is gurbani. Whe you understand oneness it's all in us. We just need to focus.

[@Neklank]

@@endeavour1349 from what I read mostly the term is used for Vaheguru, in exceptional cases for Gursikhs ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਹਉਮੈ ਰੋਗੁ ਜਾਇ ॥ "In the Sangat of Sant Jan, the disease of Haume is eliminated".

[@darshvader4096]

This is awesome bro 🙏🐊⚔️🌊

[@sukisingh5933]

thank you soo much for your work and efforts 🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️🙏🏽🙏🏽💪🏽

[@saty1500]

Straight fire upload, deep convo, loved this topic

[@Germaine769]

That explains this old Indic tradition is very close to the original lifestyle of sikh khalsa and prayers, (if we look at old photos during British invasion, the prisoners who were against foreign influence were sent to prison during the EIC era) whereas the rest of sikh have moved on and streamlined, hence the old tradition is not partaken by general sikh people. Thank you for the explanation as it put things into perspective. Enjoy your Vesakhi celebrations.

[@Dilbhullar1]

such brilliant editing and presentation. Good work

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

slowly but surely I'm getting the hang of this KZbin thing...

[@sikhthetruth1402]

Excellent discussion.... Keep it up.... Need more people like u guys in the panth

[@balrajsingh776]

Great interview, really appreciate the knowledge and insight ❤ Waheguru

[@o-datsingh7296]

Amazing... Everyone share this video

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

... and don't forget to subscribe!

[@o-datsingh7296]

@@RamblingsofaSikh I already am .... Akaal Sahai

[@harjb]

Thanks

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

Thank you so so much!

[@harjb]

@RamblingsofaSikh Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh Thank you, Khalsa Ji. What a beautiful insight into the rich fabric of the Sikh religion and events of Vaisakhi. Thank you to Dr Ji, too. 🙏

[@dabbness]

51:41 It was to show us how much faith we have in the guru! He separated the surrendered souls to the guru compared to the window dressing of the faithful all standing there! Guru ji showed us who is a real Sikh!

[@Jnsbrar]

The three kakars of kesh/kucha/kirpan or tre mudra as they are also know were the basic amd most important for a kashatriya to keep on the body at all times, while the kanga and kara are important and kakars, could be forgiven for being dropped as could easily happen during battle. The kanga could easily fall out, the kara was used as a hand hrld weapon as well as a projectile so could leave the body. So for a bhujangi (high level shastar vidiya warrior) the most important were the three main ones to keep even in battle/emergency situations, while ideally all five would be kept when possible. Also a gauntlet on the arms would not allow for a kara to be worn. Furthermore the kara would be more important for ladies in self defence as they might not be carrying a large sword all the time. So while all should be aimed to be kept, some would be more important/practical then others depending on who you are and your lifestyle. As mentioned in the poscast these kakars were practical military/soldiers items, not just spiritual symbols to be worn for mysterious reasons. This is what I've heard through sanatan shastar vidiya and also thst Baba Santa Singh said something similar.

[@johnkptkpt8893]

Thanks brother for the information 🙏 👌

[@RyanRai-nj3ej]

Very Interesting statement about the meaning/translation of Ardas being skewed. Is there something I could read to find out more? or could you point me in the right direction. Thanks. Great Work.

[@jashanjeetsingh439]

Did he just say shri guru Panth parkash (42:05)?(not claiming to know more) but even comparing Sri guru Granth saheb to another Scriptures is to question Guru saheb’s supremacy or just plain wrong. I hope it is a verbal mistake. Otherwise I really appreciate you having this conversation in basic language.I learned a lot from your discussion and wish more people get to watch it.

[@jassimarsingh6505]

Yeah that’s what the Granth is called Sri gur panth Prakash. The Prakash of the the guru khalsa panth.

[@ArjunVirdi1]

Bhaaji, from 0:00:45 to 0:01:47 the audio is mute

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

Ah thanks for letting me know. Will correct and upload it tomorrow.

[@JhotyVideoProjects]

Amazingly powerful 🙏

[@sandhut]

Whose picture is on the wall?

[@deepindersingh5868]

whats the book bhai saabs reading??

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

The book is Bhai Sahib's PhD thesis.

[@SinghG2309]

Paji, any chance you'll be posting this on Spotify? If so, could you post the link

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

I should hopefully have it uploaded by this evening, keep an eye out on my Instagram for the announcement.

[@prajalpi]

33:36 समिति (samiti) = committee

[@prajalpi]

30:00 37:00 43:26 50:00

[@sachkiratsingh124]

Veerji, can i buy the book that bhai sahib is referring to?

[@jassimarsingh6505]

That's his phd analysis. It will probably be out soon.

[@Jnsbrar]

How come the book by Bhai Jaita/Jeevan Singh is not referred to here, it also had an account of Vaisakhi right

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

There are questions over the authenticity of those verses specifically

[@ManjitSingh-pg9qz]

Hero warrior karma yogi dr kamalroop singh truth

[@theuntouchable4320]

Firstly, I’d like to say great video. I would say meat has always been apart of sikhi, and is not a sacrifice to god. Instead meat is consumed the same way all life is consumed (plants). Jhatka should be done at every vasakhi and akandpath. But meat should be eaten whenever u want and should be encouraged.

[@manisha0407]

It is earlier mentioned that there were only 4 takhts and spgc introduced the 5th. Which takth was not in the original 4? 2. If Guru Gobind Singh was holding court in Anandpur Sahib, did he not refer to the Adi Granth when meeting out justice?

[@jassimarsingh6505]

1. Damdama sahib 2. No he didn't

[@Jnsbrar]

Why would the need to refer to the Adi Guru Granth for that, it is about spiritual progression, not worldly do's and don'ts. And they are the Guru, the living version of Guru Granth sahib themself.

[@prajalpi]

4:44 7:50 14:43 24:34

[@RamblingsofaSikh]

I love how you're adding timestamps as you work your way through, appreciate it alot!

[@manveersingh5780]

Some interesting strong points! Your contributor seems to have one view on our historical development/evolution, needs to chill out and read a little more and not be so black-and-white, keep up the good work bro

[@Jnsbrar]

This is the complete opposite of a black and what explanation, it's the whole point of this podcast to give a deeper view. This guy has a PhD in Sikh studies and has read/researched more texts/granths/ oral tradition then you or most of us will in a life time. What a stupid comment.

[@PuthSardaraDha]

❤

[@prajalpi]

1:03:25 वेत्राणवः 😂 1:10:24 1:15:43 dasam granth 1:42:03 1:55:00 doing solid

[@pal333]

Thank you