What's the sony a7cii like for a Fujifilm shooter?

As a avid Fujifilm shooter, I'm always intrigued by how other camera brands measure up, especially when it comes to color science. Today, we're taking a closer look at the Sony A7CII in 2024 to see how it stacks up in terms of color accuracy and overall performance. While color science is just one facet of a camera's capabilities, it can profoundly impact the outcome of your photographs.
Throughout this review, we're going to get into the strengths and weaknesses of the Sony A7CII, examining its colors, image quality, and key features that contribute to its appeal. Whether you prioritize precise color rendering or have other criteria in mind when selecting a camera, this video aims to provide valuable insights to guide your decision-making process.
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[@Ibz87]

I have the a7cii and the x100v. Best of both worlds

[@stanleygabrel1045]

How is color science of A7c ii in video straight out of camera? Can I have the same colors as jpeg pictures in video?

[@SebastienBarrau]

I upgraded to the A7CII from the FujiXT3. I was tired of missing focus when taking pictures of my young kids. With the Sony I never miss. I really enjoy the switch, the battery lasts a lot longer than the XT3 battery, focus is amazing and its a bit smaller with full frame as a major bonus. My only issue is with the menu, its taking me some time to get used to it. I just got an X100VI and not sure if I will keep it, its smaller than the A7Cii but not by much.

[@sabergo1]

Love your reviews. I end up thinking of buying something new every time. Considering this or the X-T5 to move on from my X-S20 (more the X-T5). Keep up the good work.

[@Iamtongue]

X-T5 is good! Thanks for the support :D

[@A1000Truths]

I agree with several of your point. I actually ended up selling my X-T5 and only really miss the Fuji film simulations. Aside from that I like the Sony A7cII especially with the silver top and silver small rig base plate. I use mine with the Sony small primes, Sony 24mm F2.8, 35mm F1.8 and 55mm F1.8. Those lenses are small enough and give you a really nice look. The A7Cii with those lenses is a lot smaller than the X-T5 with the F1.4 lenses. The other benefits for me is that I also have a Sony A7RV so the negatives don't really affect me considering I'd use that for real important photo projects.

[@Iamtongue]

That's awesome, my next purchase is to purchase a compact lens to really make this compact. I wonder if I would like it more than the Fooj

[@manuelwidl7245]

You should really try the 55 1.8! It is a Special lens for sure and quit small....

[@Iamtongue]

i will look into it. Thanks :D

[@Kumofan]

You might already know about this but there's a sony film simulations project/playlist on KZbin by Veres Deni Alex; would be interesting to see if those compare to the Fuji ones. I've always kind of wondered if Sony's picture profiles were just as good and they simply flunked on the marketing aspect.

[@TCinSoCal]

Been shooting the A7Cii for a week or so.. I do love that 33 sensor. Goldilocks. I’m taking it with 40 2.5, 20 1.8 and an X100VI to London in a week. One of these bodies ‘needs’ to go but I just don’t know which one. I love the Fuji but then I zoom in on some images from that 33 sensor…

[@ITZkinggjoseph]

I have the a7Cii upgraded from the mk1 and I also have the xt5. The Sony is my work horse. The xt5 is my edc. Love them both

[@phamha8184]

Me with A7Cii & XE4. Sony AF is so so good. XE4 is my edc too.

[@ITZkinggjoseph]

@@phamha8184 I want an XE4 so bad!

[@phamha8184]

@@ITZkinggjoseph I have a black one (use it everyday) and a new silver one. I think they will not release XE anymore as they focus on the X100. So I bought one more XE4 😁If only IBIS available on it, it'd be perfect camera of all time.

[@DaveDialect]

I'm still keeping an eye out for a good deal on the first version, or maybe even an a7III 😁

[@andrewjune]

Great video! Are you able to test out the new firmware for Fuji 16-55 & 18-120 that supposedly fixed the exposure changes while zooming?

[@Iamtongue]

I can't comment. I don't have those lenses on me to test unfortunately.

[@kalistratov_photos]

16-55 works well for me and I had no problem with it before, too, even though I have an old unit

[@sabergo1]

Thanks!

[@Iamtongue]

oh wow thank you so much for your support!

[@BohdanIvanov-ru7qg]

Hey, I was interested in purchasing your cinefeels preset pack. This would be my first time buying any preset packs. I was wondering if they came with specific instructions on how to best use them. I have an XT5. Should I have certain settings to get the most out of the presets? Should I shoot raw? How much tuning do I need to do personally in order to get the best look? Thanks!

[@Iamtongue]

Hey man, my preset packs are just starting points. You’re gonna need to do some tweakings to it depending on how you like to shoot. My presets does not fix bad lighting and it does not fix a shitty composition. And it does not help with any retouching. So it’s not a one click solution you’re still need to put in some work. A polish turd is still a turd. 😂😊

[@PeterLeary]

Fuji's decision to ignore the xpro users, leaving me with the feeling that there will be no xpro4 is very disappointing. For the first time in years, I have started shopping for a different brand of camera. A big part of my decision is compactness, I don't like being weighed down with gear. This probably stems from being around Leica M shooters in my early years. True, the lenses can get big with most full frame setups but there plenty of reasonably sized options for Sony. The only thing that's kept me from pulling the trigger is that my past experience with Sony left me cold, a great camera but not an inspiring one. After watching this maybe it's time to rent one for a test drive.

[@Iamtongue]

There’s another Fuji x summit in Sydney I believe in the next quarter. Maybe that’s where they’re going to announce the xpro 4??? Have faith my friend haha

[@mahdimanesh4221]

Haha I am in the same situation 😅 I really want an xpro4 😊

[@MrRafalEn]

@@Iamtongue There is confirmed info that X-Pro4 is not coming in 2024 at all. Next summit is for X-T30 successor and that is confirmed as well.

[@Iamtongue]

@@MrRafalEn lame 😒

[@ivotodorov7069]

Our boy buff 💪💪

[@Iamtongue]

Hahah I don’t see it but thanks 😊

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

When you think of this camera you should compare it more against the X-E3 or X-E4 which also have only one card slot and the smaller EVF. I had the X-E3 and sold it after getting this camera. Also, which Viltrox lens did you use?

[@Iamtongue]

Viltrox 20mm F2.8.

[@bigtastyITA]

I spent last months thinking if this camera worth switching from Fuji to Sony. I ended up buying 2 new lenses for Fuji 😅

[@kalistratov_photos]

Wow, great! Which lenses did you get?

[@bigtastyITA]

@@kalistratov_photos an old used 35 f/1.4 and a 50 f/1

[@kalistratov_photos]

@@bigtastyITA both excellent purchases!

[@NDakota79]

You did good son

[@Iamtongue]

The only way to fight GAS is with more GAS 😂

[@TwoTimesRmedia]

Can't wait for touch to track to come to the X-S20 and the X-H2s.

[@Iamtongue]

Ya foreal! I hope it’s implemented well

[@TwoTimesRmedia]

@@Iamtongue yeah , same here.

[@philipcolumbus3054]

You can easily get an external battery charger for Sony batteries. Amazon has a ton of them.

[@Harvester88]

It’s crazy to think that Sony has the least favorable color science but it’s still good. We are really in a good place with cameras honestly. There are a lot of good options at good ranges.

[@skepsys]

fuji's implementing touch tracking in x-h2s and x-s20 (i think another one, too?) in next few months. finally :D. there was a cined (i think) announcement on this recently.

[@Iamtongue]

Yes I saw, my only hope is that it’s good.

[@Toft64]

How do you experience the difference in RAW files between the X-T5 and A7CII? I’m personally always shooting in RAW but I don’t want to spend all my time fixing colours in post. Thanks for the review 🙏

[@Iamtongue]

Sony raw files for me is harder to work with. I spend more time trying to get the colors right in post than I should. On the other hand Fuji raws are much easier to work with. It gets the colors that I want right away

[@Toft64]

Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks for the answer 🙏

[@relaxsounds6970]

I don't miss the joystick, i use real tracking with the shutter button, focus and recompose, and button recall option on the "Af on" button with Wide focus área and eye autofocus for portraits and Kids ( eye autofocus option on "Af on" don't focus if there is no eye.

[@Iamtongue]

ahh interesting! Thanks for the tip. I guess I got that muscle memory from the Fooj

[@MrRafalEn]

I do the same with Canon R8 and I scratch my head when people complain about lack of joystick. AF with this method is much easier and faster. Same goes for navigation...touch menu works wonderfully and I can't imagine coming back to navigating by joystick of d-pad / wheel.

[@MrRafalEn]

I moved away from Fuji after 6 years to Canon R8. Now I have fantastic AF which never misses my kids, great low light, DR in high contrast scenes makes much more difference than I assumed in the beginning as well. Colors, handling and menus are also much better in my opinion on Canon but I am looking hardly at A7CII because of this compact rangefinder body. I am just afraid that Sony colors and really bad lcd / evf will ruin experience for me. Too bad that Fuji is refusing to release X-Pro4 or X-E5 but even then I doubt I will come back after tasting full frame and that god like AF.

[@7743dustin]

I had the a7c2 the viewfinder is terrible

[@JessDemant]

I shoot raw and Sony's raw files are much better than Fuji's raw files as the dynamic ranges are much better, but Fuji might be better for amateurs who only shoot jpeg, and more importantly, Sony's autofocus is much better than what we get from Fuji .....

[@jean-philippeperetti8463]

I used to own a Fuji X-T4 and was considering upgrading to the newer model. But, for me, the X-T5 and the X-H2 should have been one and only camera. Imagine the X-H2 with retro dials. Wouldn't it be awesome! So, as a 70 year old guy with failing eyesight and shaky hands, I decided to give Sony a try. I bought the A7RV and then the A7CII (the blacker the better) and a few lenses. Needless to say, my budget hasn't recovered yet. But let me tell you, Sony's AF makes shooting so much fun and the image quality is amazing. The only thing missing to my total happiness would be if Sony made a good quality full frame autofocus pancake lens. I would stop desiring a Fuji X100VI. In the meantime, the A7CII paired with both Sony's 40 and 24 G lenses, does the job pretty well. These 2 lenses are compact and make the A7CII a great option for street and travel photography. All of this could change if and when Sony releases a new RX1RIII.

[@adamdevries8121]

Fuji really needs to make an xe5. That would be great..I'm still sold on fuji colours and jpegs..this sony is very tempting though. Compact and auto focus this sony wins.

[@Iamtongue]

Totally agree

[@user-cm9ys1xq2n]

My equipment (XH2) was stolen and I was thinking about going back to Sony. I’ve heard the 33MP AC7 II is potentially sharper than the 40MP Fuji. Did you feel like that is true? Do you also think you can produce the same video with XH2. I want to stay with Fuji.

[@Iamtongue]

Yes, depending on the lenses you get it does seem sharper than the Fuji. As far as video is concern you can get by with the Sony a7cii. It does get warm a little when filming in 4k60 for a long period of time.

[@-grey]

Putting the 35f2.8 Zeiss on this camera keeps it about the size of the X100V, and has about the same equivalent DoF and light gathering as the 23f2 on aps-c. Which is a pretty interesting alternative. I've been a Fujifilm shooter for almost a decade, and the colours have never been a positive for me. So this could be an option. 🤔

[@Iamtongue]

interesting i have to check this lens out. I'm fairly new to the sony eco system and I can't keep up with all their lenses..

[@anthonystonehouse]

I’ve moved over completely to an a7cr from a large Fuji collection. The Sony lacks to finish and charm of the Fuji bodies, but the evf is still a step up from the small Fujis like the xs10 and xt30ii. You need to get into the sigma i series lenses though. They feel like better versions of Fuji lenses.

[@Iamtongue]

Ya I’m considering the sigma lenses! You have any?

[@vetisonpainter8014]

Am in a very similar situation as well. I have my eyes on a7cr too, till hesitating to pull the trigger. How big is the difference in the colours compared to x-t5?

[@anthonystonehouse]

I have the Sigma 20mm and 65mm from the i series, similar to my Fuji 18mm, 23mm and 33mm f1.4 lenses but i think a tad sharper and feel better built. Sony colours are much better than they were but you cant dial in film simulations for joegs like you can with Fuji cameras. I shoot raw so apply film simulations in Lightroom with RNI filters anyway.

[@LS-is5ob]

which pp did you shoot the clips at 07:19 ; 07:35 ; 08:03 in?

[@Iamtongue]

those are log footage graded with phantom luts. The last clip though at 8:03 I did boost the color in da vinci resolve because I wanted to give a pop to it. Phantom Luts - bit.ly/3JEUUps Use my discount code "tongue" for an additional 15% off your phantom luts!

[@JohnnyUser-ee7hj]

1 month ago, I bought an XH2S over A7CII. Thank you for making me agonize over my decision Tongue. Much love

[@Iamtongue]

LMFAOOO, XH2s is better imo.. you can’t beat the tech inside 😎

[@jaymills1720]

@@Iamtonguegreat video! But AF has not caught up to Sony. Sony can provide better DR, equal color through Log, better lowlight and AF is better. 😊😮❤

[@Iamtongue]

The AF is so close that it's really annoyinga hahah @@jaymills1720

[@jaymills1720]

@@Iamtongue noooo way! I returned my xt5 - try shooting moving objects and missing 20% of action! 😭

[@JohnnyUser-ee7hj]

I was thinking all this time, torturing myself inside: why this guy posted 1 A7CII video that he shot in London and isn't posting the comparison with XH2S? 🥶@@Iamtongue

[@yuraegorov3997]

I think u should try a “Sony Film Simulations” made by other creator on KZbin. I believe he provide some for free and a full package is 40 eur. He replicated Fuji simulations and many more. Would be interesting to see your opinion about them 👍

[@Iamtongue]

Thanks for the tip!

[@Dave_Andre]

Is the lack of real mechanical shutter and a max of 1/4000 shuterspeed a bummer? Whats your thought about this?

[@Iamtongue]

The shutter speed bothers me from time to time. But you kinda get use to it.

[@bLaffix]

How is the shutter sound on the A7Cii? I have A7C and I can barely stand the shutter sound. Vastly prefer the sound on my X-T4. I realize this may be a minor thing, but I really want to enjoy every aspect of my cameras.

[@Iamtongue]

It's louder than the XT4 that's for sure. It feels more satisfying when I hear it. BUt i know it will be distracting for some.

[@tsizzle]

Does the silver body scuff more easily than the black version?

[@Iamtongue]

It sure does lol I got several already

[@cyb]

I preordered x100vi

[@Iamtongue]

Is it gonna be there in June?

[@TCinSoCal]

@@Iamtonguegot mine this week. 😬 .. if anyone is itching to make a questionable financial decision hmu. 😎.. enjoying it otherwise.

[@shanenebria5822]

I love what you said in 9:58..😂😂😂

[@Iamtongue]

Haha I just want them to do better 🙈☺️

[@jeffmerheb3182]

Some youtubers are saying the A7Cii is not as fun as the X-T5 , meaning it doesn't push you to go out and take photos, is that true or the A7Cii is as fun as the fujifilm ?

[@Iamtongue]

No it’s not as fun as Fuji that’s for sure. It still feels like work for me when I use a Sony. Even though this is a range style one. I just need to find lenses that would make it fun.

[@7743dustin]

Sold my A7c2 and got an xt5 . Xt5 is better to me. Viewfinder is terrible on the a7c2.

[@bLaffix]

I have both X-T4 and A7C. Fuji is way more fun. A7C has the full frame advantage obviously, but I still prefer to take my Fuji more often lol.

[@SquirrelHybrid]

Fuji is going to add touch-to-track to the 5th Gen cameras in an upcoming firmware update. 🙂

[@Iamtongue]

And I just hope it's implemented well!!!

[@MrRafalEn]

Don't count on good implementation though. They still can't make reliable tracking in stills and their video AF was always behind their still capabilities. Good they are finally bringing it at all though.

[@metphmet]

I don’t understand the initial comment about the colours. I use Sony and Fuji and I am not especially convinced by the Fuji colours . I shoot Raw and I have to work more on Fuji files than on the Sony ones to get satifactory results.

[@Iamtongue]

What’s not to understand? You have a workflow that works for you and I have a workflow that works for me. I’m sharing my experience and some people aren’t going to agree with what I have to say and that’s fine…

[@danvirchow]

I actually decided to completely leave Fujifilm after using this camera. The fact that it’s full frame AND smaller than the X-T5 😱…and the autofocus is bonkers!

[@Iamtongue]

Oh way haha! What lenses are you using with it?

[@danvirchow]

Sony 24mm 1.4 GM and Sony 85mm 1.8. Both are very compact for what they offer and look great. Looking to checkout their actual compact line of lenses starting with the 40mm 2.5. Dig this kit!@@Iamtongue

[@Iamtongue]

Ya I'm going to look for a more compact set up as well. I'm interested in the sigma compact lenses. It reminds me of the Fujicron lenses...

[@vetisonpainter8014]

Everyone in the Sony camp raves sooo much about the autofocus. The more I hear about it, the more I sooo want to try it. 😊

[@danvirchow]

Before I ever tried Sony, I was kind of like "yada yada these Sony fanboys and their autofocus..." but as soon as I actually tried a Sony camera, there was that instant "oh, I completely get it" moment 😅@@vetisonpainter8014

[@salarycat]

Something I can't get used with these rangefinder cameras is how right-eyed they are. I aim with the left eye, and it feels very awkward to use these sony cameras because of their right-eye dependent design.

[@stkuj]

I few things...the lack of a joystick is actually a blessing (only old school shooters with poor AF need it). If you map the AF-on or AEL button to "subject tracking" it will grab the subject and you can focus & recompose never needing to use the cumbersome joystick to move the focus point around (btw, I rarely use it in my A7RV and find no need for it in the A7Cii). The EVF & One Card Slot is just a compromise in design. Agree, I wish the max shutter speed with 8000. IMO, the video and color science (esp skin tones) are even better than the A7iV. The "AI" processor allows for a better subject tracking (even in video) and improved AWB (which has improved colors & skin tones). Personally, I use this camera for travel/street/backup (I use the Sony or Sigma compact lens; not GM). All that said, all companies have offerings for everyone. I like Fuji too - especially the XS-20 & X100vi - and wish I had the funds to own them all.

[@Iamtongue]

Is recomposing accurate this way?

[@stkuj]

@gue try it... you just said in your video that Sony's AF is awesome. If you're not using, then you need more time to figure out the tips & tricks on using that camera effectively.

[@Iamtongue]

@@stkuj most definitely! Thanks for the tip

[@stkuj]

@@Iamtongue kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKqklmuAr66if5Isi=ZJjomj6mPhimxoyS&t=256

[@MarcEstrella]

@@Iamtongue yes absolutely! You can keep your focus point to medium or whichever single autofocus option and when you map the tracking to your af button . You can hold it and it locked on to the subject as you compose. I shoot weddings with Sony and love shooting this way. I also have an A7cii and that’s how I have it set up

[@viewfindermedia3188]

The price though for that I get a a7iv

[@rickslijkhuis6822]

One big question: Lenses.. are they bigger? If yes, then why bother getting a smaller body?

[@Iamtongue]

It's a mental thing at that point? I rather have a small body than a big body. The lenses that I've use all fall within the range of size that I am okay with. So even though the sony 50mm is "big" I've used bigger. Pause.

[@rickslijkhuis6822]

@@Iamtongue just asking as a Fuji user. I was on the edge of switching. Getting hold back by the bigger lenses. Got the feeling that if you want on-par lens quality they will be at least twice as big.

[@Iamtongue]

@@rickslijkhuis6822 ya definitely. It’s just the science of it. Full frame sensor needs full frame lenses. So again it just boils down to your needs and want and if you’re willing to compromise small form factor body for the big ones. 😅

[@bradleyanderson247]

The often used f/2.8 zooms and fast aperture primes are pretty large. But Sony has a trio of small primes (24mm f/2.8, 40mm f/2.5, 50mm f/2.5) and Sigma offers several primes in their contemporary line up that are relative small. Sony also has a very small 28-70 (slow/variable aperture) lens, a 20-70 f/4, they recently released an f/2.8 24-50mm lens. There are several 3rd party lenses that are relative small and light. If you want an 85mm f/1.4 to completely obliterate the backgrounds, the lenses are going to be fairly large. But if you're comfortable with using slower aperture lenses there are quite a few options. I'm coming from the m43 world and have primarily used a GX9 since it was released. It's getting long in the tooth and I've been looking at alternatives. If you want IBIS (I need it) I don't really see the Fujifilm system as offering much advantage with respect to smaller size.

[@j.f.1979]

@@bradleyanderson247 Yeah but the lower apertures of the small primes means no advantage over higher apertures of fuji´s primes. So if you want the advantages of full frame (beside the better AF) you need to have bigger lenses otherwise the results are pretty similar. I shot with an A7III vor some years and the big lenses were one reason to switch to fuji (the other and more important reason was the much more pleasing shooting-experience with fuji).

[@mtmccornack]

Omg something funny... I own an fx3 and a nex5n while my a7cii arrives this week. Because none of my previous cameras had a physical dial (AKA: E.V.I.L. cameras: Electronic viewfinder interchangeable lens) I had never heard it referred to as a "SPAM" dial! LMAO!

[@Iamtongue]

I play around too much haha

[@TCinSoCal]

FWIW.. you can now buy an X-T5 & the 33 1.4 used for the price of this A7Cii. 🤔

[@Iamtongue]

Might be the better option 😀

[@9Mtikcus]

The only cameras that I want (but will never buy, 1 doesn't exist) The Fuji X100 VI (wont buy because have a 23mm F/1.4 and I don't need it) The Leica Q3 (don't like the 27mm FOV) if it had a 50mm :) A Fuji GFX with a Fixed 63mm (50MM FF Equivalent) and a leaf shutter.

[@Iamtongue]

Hahaha

[@kalistratov_photos]

The 28 mm seems to be the best thing about leica q

[@9Mtikcus]

Just too Wide for me, i'd always be cropping the frame, i'd much rather have a 50mm fixed lens@@kalistratov_photos

[@kalistratov_photos]

@@9Mtikcus yeah, it all depends on a personal taste. Ricoh have always made a 28 mm gr but they added the 40 mm gr iii x and the sells of it are high

[@misterlove7034]

I wish Fuji implemented AI focus or better eye af tracking. They are slacking. I’m actually considering switching to the A7Cii from my X-H2. I’m also waiting for the Ricoh GR4 haha.

[@Iamtongue]

are they. making a GR4?

[@NDakota79]

No joystick is a dealbreaker. And SPAM dials are just soooo 2000s. I would never give up on my SLR dials ever again, nor would I ever buy a lens without aperture ring ever again.

[@axidrain]

You have 3 customizable dials. Which covers everything you need

[@ab85main73]

I get that you’re fanning out for the fuji clan but why in the world would u compare an apsc to a FF? That’s apples to oranges bud lol Both different systems and have different use case scenarios, enjoy them both 🤙

[@Iamtongue]

for content.

[@jonhermannsson9231]

Really do not understand all the verbiage about battery charging There are many multi battery chargers I have many. 2 for my Fuji cameras And same for my Sony and Nikon cameras Anyone with 2 or more batteries buys a multi charger Also Colors are a personal taste. Also you can not compare this Sony With xt5. When it comes to EVF magnification This Sony is a rangefinder style Compare it to the xpro 3 This Sony is. Full frame So of course need for wider lenses But check out Samyang 24mm 35 45 and 75mm. All f1.2 Good and not expensive And very small Fuji 56mm f1.2. Is large and heavy and expensive And really a 84mm f1.8 For many Fuji fans there will never be any camera as good Fuji Fuji buys sensors from Sony Again compare xpro. 3. With the a7 c2 Compare the xt5 with a74

[@Iamtongue]

No

[@Geert890]

Orange and teal 🤢🤮

[@Iamtongue]

🤢🤮

[@apocryphal_man]

That Sony color myth again...

[@Iamtongue]

Ohh