What's Up With Sea-Doo IDF Right Now? WCJ Quick Topics

[@brandonrippeonphoto]

A lot more than a handful. I’m in a fish pro group and there’s a “handful” of new failures every week. even after repairs and recall work performed.

[@watercraftjournal]

Old video. See the latest.

[@davidhilton5881]

Very true Kevin, I talked to the dealer and he told me about this problem and the one I purchased a GTX Ltd 300 which was on a recall for this. They had to check it first before they would sell it to me. It was fine but had to wait for the new seal to come in to put it back together. I've never owned a jet ski before and I love this thing. It is so much fun and so much power sometimes it gets a little scary with so much speed.

[@watercraftjournal]

Good news! Glad to hear it.

[@MrKristof]

Bought a 2021 Sea-doo Fish pro last month. Rode it for 15 minutes and it broke down and left me stranded. The output shaft is what fails on THE IDF system and according to Sea doo they currently don't have a permanent fix. They are replacing the output shaft and I get it back tomorrow. The dealer told me about half of the machines come back after getting a new output shaft.

[@watercraftjournal]

Interesting that your dealer would tell you that while the service request and listed repair parts are quite different.

[@MrKristof]

@@watercraftjournal the dealer told me they should have put a stop sale on all IDF machines but Sea-Doo has not done so.

[@watercraftjournal]

It’s not your dealer’s decision - but all service dept.’s were instructed to perform oil pressure checks on all IDF equipped skis prior to sale.

[@Jonathan_Camps]

My IDF saved me the other day. Just launched the ski and went to hit the throttle when the ski got up to about 8 mph and shook really bad. Did the idf routine and was all good. Glad I didn’t have to go for a swim :)

[@watercraftjournal]

Glad it helped!

[@QualityOutdoorLife]

I’m just wondering will this issue get resolved for 2022 models? Especially for the fish pro.

[@watercraftjournal]

It’s being resolved now.

[@QualityOutdoorLife]

@@watercraftjournal I don’t see any official notice says this have been resolved

[@watercraftjournal]

What exactly are you expecting? A public announcement saying, “ Huzzah! We fixed it, guys! It’s all good now!”? Of course not. In announcing that the IDF system is being addressed by certified service centers means that changes have been made in the assembly process, and replacement parts are being produced for sold units to be repaired.

[@kevinskurat9196]

I'm glad to see that only 7% of the Sea Doo PWCs which are equipped with iDF are failing. I mean, that is a lot, but it's not as many as one would think considering how much it is discussed on the internet, especially in social media. I happen to be one of the unfortunate people who have been affected by this issue. My first trip on the water with my 2021 Fish Pro lasted about 15 minutes before I experienced the iDF issue. I was stranded for over an hour before I was towed in (at a cost of $110). I contacted my dealer. My Fish Pro was repaired. The dealer showed me the gear they replaced in the iDF assembly. Second trip out, I was on the water for about 20 minutes when it failed a second time. I was towed again, which only cost me $75 because I didn't have to be towed as far. So, as of right now, my Fish Pro is at my dealer a second time. It has been there for going on 2 weeks. If I understood correctly what you said, I'm guessing that during the first trip back to the dealer, the broken gear was replaced, but, most likely, the oiling issue was not. So, I experienced the second iDF failure. Hopefully, they can repair whatever damage was done this second time, AND fix the oiling issue. I love Sea Doo. I had a 2019 Fish Pro, which was the first PWC I had ever owned. I'm a retired 64 year old man, and I love to fish. I elected to go with a PWC instead of a regular fishing boat for several reasons. The 2019 Fish Pro was a perfect choice. And, it was fantastic. My wife and I both enjoyed that PWC immensely. So, this year, I decided to upgrade to the 2021 Fish Pro. The additions BRP made to the 2021 models, including the iDF, are why I upgraded. I'm frustrated, and, frankly, pretty angry about this, but I'm doing my best to be patient. After all, there is no other PWC on the market from any other manufacturer, in my opinion, that can best the Fish Pro when it comes to fishing. Believe me, I've checked. And, quite honestly, it will take several trips out on local lakes without having any issues before I get confidence and gain trust in the 2021 Fish Pro enough to take it on a vacation and put it on bigger water. Thanks for this video. It was very informative.

[@watercraftjournal]

Dang, sorry to hear of your experiences with IDF. We hope its resolved quickly and you can return to the water!

[@kevinskurat9196]

@@watercraftjournal, I spoke to my dealership just a few minutes ago. I was told that BRP is now wanting PWCs with this iDF issue to have the complete iDF unit replaced. I'm guessing that replacing the entire iDF unit will take care of both any damage done to the iDF components and the failure to adequately oil those components. However, before that can be done, BRP has to approve it. So, the dealer has to submit a request to BRP. BRP will then either approve or disapprove that request. I was told that the request to BRP had been submitted and that the dealer was awaiting the approval from BRP.

[@watercraftjournal]

Ugh. So much for a "quick response." But at least you're seeing movement.

[@scottypa1616]

Picked my GTX 170 up last Thursday next day put it in water. Made it 3 miles down river, never went over 35 mph and was stranded. Engine was running fine, no reverse no forward. IDF ERROR. Would not go forward or backwards then overheated and alarms going off. No grass no debris. Took 2 hours to get back to my dock. Dealer picked up unit next day said they missed a recall or bulletin from SEADOO. Now my question: is this brand new seadoo with 20 minutes and 3 miles going to work when I get it back? Should I worry? This is my first Jet Ski and dont like being stranded.....

[@watercraftjournal]

Hopefully, your dealership performs the recall/bulletin correctly and TESTS IT before giving it back to you. Otherwise, you'll be returning yet again. (I suggest deliberately using the IDF close to shore/launch ramp when first getting it back. If it is going to fail, it'll be then.)

[@jeffcopsey2612]

Okay this is what solves the problem with the IDF they have a clothes bearing that goes in the back of the motor then they have a oil plug that goes in the back of the motor so what that does it feels the whole casing up with oil then what you have to do you have to take the fork shaft out of the IDF and add a bigger spring and that's supposed to solve the problem but they say on the GTX 230 limits in the bigger ones you don't have to pull the motor which is a lie you have to pull the motor because there's a bolt behind the supercharger that you have to take off to get the IDF off and they only give you an hour 7 for labor to do this I guess that's fair right pull motor put it back in an hour and 50 minutes not but hopefully this fix it I've done two and they haven't come back yet so hopefully that will fix it

[@51oldcrow]

Im getting a Fish Pro in June or July maybe Aug ??? I heard this model is coming out combat ready with no bugs on it. Should be ready for offshore fishing by September in deep S. Tx fishing, South padre Island. Reports say it’s combat ready.

[@watercraftjournal]

That's rad! Glad to hear it!

[@joshboyd6570]

Make sure you go out with a buddy. I took mine out for the first time and it broke down within 30 minutes (pretty sure it was an iDF issue), brand new ski that was delivered 2 weeks ago. VIN wasn't on the recall list, so just be careful on your first trip. I knew it was a possibility so I knew what I was getting into, just be safe.

[@TandemAdventures]

Hey thanks for the info. I just got my 2021 Fish Pro with iDF and have about 150 miles on it (love it!). I have not tried engaging the iDF system yet. Is this something I need to do or will the problem present itself without my help? Preferred answer--> "Naa, if it hasn't happened by now, you're good!". ;-) And just to add, there is something I'm finding annoying and just wondering if anyone else out there is experiencing it. When I start up the engine at the dock, the boat creeps forward. I have gone through the "neutral adjust" process multiple times and it still goes forward at about 1-2 mph. 1-2 mph is not very fast, except if you're tied to a dock and loading a passenger with another boat in front of you. And one little nit-picky thing- when I'm going straight ahead at speed, the handle bars are tilted about 3 degrees to the left... :-( Thanks again for the video! I liked and subscribed!

[@watercraftjournal]

Thankfully, you can manually adjust the steering linkage on the jet nozzle. You can preset the angle to properly align the bars with the nozzle so you won't get that. Per IDF, if it was going to fail it would've by now - so you're good. Simply stay on top of your regular maintenance and you'll be great. Glad to hear you're enjoying the heck out of it. Keep it up! And about the "lurching" thing...that's kinda just what happens.

[@Acula33RC]

Got got a 21 GTX Limited for the sole purpose of the IDF system. Our cove can get a little shallow and it would be handy if needed. Thanks for explaining whats going on with it before i have even taken it out on the lake. I have a good heads up now, thanks so much! Excellent content here, subscribed for sure and little bell for sure!

[@aaron-fauth]

Same love my limited except for iDF

[@watercraftjournal]

Again, always talk with your Service Dept. about updates and service requests.

[@ernk75]

Can you get a new model without the idf. I have no problem getting wet to clear debris vs stranded.

[@watercraftjournal]

IDF is standard equipment on all Fish Pro and GTX Limited 300’s for 2021.

[@MayooN]

does the whole seadoo breaks when idf fails ? Can't we clean the mess manually and continue to ride without using the idf to reach the shores ?

[@watercraftjournal]

No. IDF complete severs the engine's connection to the prop. If it goes, you're stuck.

[@MayooN]

@@watercraftjournal I am hearing Seadoo is now sending affected idf stalled owners with a new part ? Can you please elaborate on this updated idf component please .. pros and cons

[@javiercrespo5275]

Hi good video. I’m waiting for the 22 fish pro should i trust on they solved the idf problem.?

[@watercraftjournal]

Hmm. Wait a little longer.

[@ktmdays]

@@watercraftjournal do you think the idf will be fixed in 2022 have you talked to seadoo

[@jetplane1989]

I'll wait and see. Not alot of confidence in idf right now. Being first to get the new tech ain't worth the added risk of getting stuck out at sea.

[@watercraftjournal]

Play it safe.

[@Dazed207]

Are new 2022 GTX limited units affected by this? Ones that aren’t even technically made yet and have to be pre-ordered ? You would assume since all of this back lash you would have a unit with perfectly working IDF?

[@watercraftjournal]

No, the IDF system has been revised with new internals since June. Currently, the rash of IDF failures have dwindled to fractions of a percentage.

[@Dazed207]

@@watercraftjournal that’s wonderful news this makes me actually feel comfortable and confident now in buying a 2022 gtx 300 limited

[@samuelvincent76]

In the last year you have been riding, how many times have you had to clean out underneath your ski?

[@watercraftjournal]

Just Kevin? He says 3 times.

[@grom7826]

THANK YOU for getting RIGHT to the point !

[@watercraftjournal]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Futurase1]

It is 100% brand new tech. No way I’d touch that with a 10 foot pole for a few years.

[@watercraftjournal]

That's safe thinking.

[@51oldcrow]

I’ve been watching ur clips on Sunday, very interesting. The news coming down the pipe is unheard off for today’s world. ? For U. I have 1K down on a Fish Pro with a 2 yr warranty promotion that Sea doo approved for my Ski, should I let it go or pay more for a 22 or bite the bullet for this one I’m waiting on? Time is no biggie, I’m 56 and retiring in Dec. I’m sticking because of the 2 yr warranty only. What you think Ace?

[@watercraftjournal]

Sea-Doo is facing minor shipping delays - nothing like the production uncertainties that Yamaha is undergoing. That sounds like a good deal on the Fish Pro. Just PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not accept the unit until your service representative assures you that they have performed the oil pressure check/verification on the IDF system. Many dealers are failing to do this, and people are still encountering (albeit very few) mechanical failures.

[@wilbernardii]

No positive experience here sir. Well, I’m not a hater at all, I’m actually hoping you can get this problem fixed once for all, because I’ve Been left in the water TWICE and my ski still in the shop being repaired. And no I’ve never owed a Yamaha. If they are on top of it why my IDF broke again ????

[@watercraftjournal]

William, I cannot truthfully diagnose what occurred with your IDF but my educated guess is that your dealer either repaired the oil feed issue but did not address damage that had occurred to your gearing during the first breakdown, or vice versa. Either way, it sucks for you, the customer, and does severe damage to the public's confidence in the product. Thankfully, they're addressing it and not ignoring it (as brands have done with previous failures). -K

[@wilbernardii]

@@watercraftjournal yeah sure, so now 17k later I have a jetski that I don’t trust to take out in the real world because I’m afraid to die and can only use it in a swimming pool that way I don’t have to pay for tow ??? Why can’t they not replace my unit for new one with no problems ? I have used mine for a total of 40 min now and total of almost 2 months in shop and it’s still there

[@watercraftjournal]

Your situation sucks, honestly it does. But never in the history of PWC (or cars or motorcycles) have I ever heard of an OE completely replacing a unit for a fixable issue. A failed hull? Sure, they've replaced them. But not something like this. As awful as this is going to sound, in the eyes of the manufacturer the inconvenience and downtime is infuriating to the customer, but not worth the cost of replacing it. Honestly, just sell it. Once you get it back, clean it up and list it for sale. Be rid of it and you'll never have to worry about it failing again. -K

[@wilbernardii]

@@watercraftjournal that’s easy right ? Take a chance for the third time or just sell it And burn money. I got it . But you are right, unfortunately. And this is not Just a simple issue , it’s a big issue, a lot of people are having the same problem.

[@watercraftjournal]

As of April 5th, only 6.5% of IDF-equipped units are seeing reported failures. All IDF units are supposed to be checked (oil pressure check), but of all units to fail, it's less than 7%. And the IDF unit is a pretty mechanically-simple system all self-contained within the PTO cover. (Accessing it is remarkably convenient.) And to be honest, given today's insane demand, you might break even if you sold it.

[@redpineapple9908]

Thanks for posting. I have a GTX170 w/IDF on order and was having 2nd thoughts

[@watercraftjournal]

No problemo.

[@bodiejones4844]

Had to call sea tow bro.

[@ktmdays]

Me to I got towed in 3 times

[@redpineapple9908]

Update 7/25/21: Picked up the ski on July 3rd. I have about 5 hours on it. Yesterday I used the IDF 3 times because of floating grass/weeds. No problems so far

[@bodiejones4844]

@@redpineapple9908 my friends have had problems but hope you’ve got a good one!!

[@phantom5573]

Are you paid by Seadoo??? You said "a handful of people of people had a problem with the IDF". I would never buy a Seadoo from the engine design to the carbon seal problems and IDF design. How come Yamaha does not have these problems???

[@watercraftjournal]

Yamaha and Kawasaki both used a sealed hull bearing; a FAR superior design. Sadly, BRP seems committed to using the carbon seal, which is without a doubt the weakest link on their machines.

[@vin294anthony3]

I’ll update you over weekend- I went and picked up my 21 fishpro last night- you eased my mind and convinced me to go thru with my $500 deposit and pick up - I hope your right 👍🏻🙏

[@watercraftjournal]

Did you confirm with the dealer that they performed an oil pressure check?

[@ThePersonalWatercraftChannel]

PWCJournal should look into the delays of Canadians getting there new machines. As Im sure you have already heard lots of delays . Ordered my GTX 230 in September being told June delivery.

[@watercraftjournal]

There's nothing to report. News is slow, deliveries are slower. International trade is grinding to a halt - thank your Prime Minister and our senile President (and all the idiots who voted for them both).

[@aarondashiell3488]

I love it on my GTI 170 and my upcoming GTI 130 for my wife.

[@watercraftjournal]

Awesome!

[@michaelglen6704]

Now I'm nervous about my new gtx limited.

[@watercraftjournal]

Do not take possession of it without the dealership's service dept. performing an oil pressure check on IDF.

[@saintslax12]

Has this happened on the 2022 Trophy?

[@watercraftjournal]

See the date of the video. This predates it.

[@saintslax12]

@@watercraftjournal that’s exactly why I asked the question, I know it’s a 2021 issue and wondering if it’s resolved on the new models. I’m looking at purchasing a 2022 FishPro Trophy as my dealer has them in stock or should I wait for the 2023.

[@izzyauna8814]

I think most people knocking idf are the ones that still are stuck on 2 strokes and saying 96 xp is the best ski ever made. I was one of them until I upgraded to a wake 155 and 215. I’ll never go back to 2 stroke.

[@watercraftjournal]

No, there's legitimate issues with this technology. It's akin to the first 4-strokes or the first years of iBR. Now it's pretty ironed out.

[@hernzo9798]

Is there a recall on sea Doo idf or no?

[@watercraftjournal]

No. There's not a RECALL but there is a service request placed at all dealers.

[@jj2738]

They should do it. The same goes for 2016 iBR ...I'm scared and can't ride.

[@250tango5]

I bought a 2021 seadoo fish pro, the drive shaft disengaged and left me stranded in the middle of a large lake, I took it in and the entire idf seal and drive train is being ordered and replaced. It is the third problem so far with IDF, first the oil alignment, the carbon seal and now the drive disengaging, was told shaft become disconnected and cannot return. the very next week I bought a used wave runner and was putting it in the water and yet another new 2021 was being towed in for the drive shaft disengaging and left that skier stranded. Seadoo needs to get this together before giving it to the public to be crash test dummies. I have requested the Seadoo rep to contact me on the primary failure and what is being done to eliminate this issue. I also am a Service Engineer and look for root issues and find a solution for that issue. I love the fish pro, but would have had the option to not have IDF until it was fully tested and all bugs were worked out. Or pay me to be a test dummy! Im giving Seadoo a second chance and allowing them to repair my machine. it has been in shop waiting on parts to arrive to start process of repair. We will find out if it works, but still want answers as to root problem.

[@watercraftjournal]

The repair is not fixing the problem. BRP knows this and are now panicking. Kevin's addressing this topic first thing tomorrow in the Live broadcast.

[@decline1129]

Any still having issues? Have a deposit on a GTX limited as well as a FX Cruiser SVHO and can’t decide which to go for.

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes. Sea-Doo's IDF repairs appear to not solve the issue and Yamaha's delays are pushed back further.

[@Whatnissan]

Dude people are posting that it broke again after just getting it fixed ... I saw a guy getting towed on my lake .. I won’t be the Ginny pig for new tech I’ll pass lol

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes, there are some very vocal folks online. Thankfully, we're seeing the service numbers and he is a very unique example.

[@wilbernardii]

I’m one of them.

[@jeromeknowles9308]

Good afternoon my name is Jerome I bought a 2023 sea-Doo fish pro trophy I went out on the water and found out that I didn't have IDF I have reverse But no IDF

[@watercraftjournal]

All Fish Pros came stock with IDF.

[@mattblundo6009]

Hi Friend, First time seeing you and decided to subscribe. I am about to take the leap into the SEA DOO FishPro world. I have 2 deposits in and I am waiting on the 2022's to come out. I have a question about the throttle. My right hand has a birth defect. It looks kind of like a crab. I grew up riding BMX bikes so I'm good on the handlebars. I am lucky to have a thumb, lol. So my question is about swapping the throttle to the left side and the reverse to the right. Is this possible and if so, how would you do it? Hell, if you think it would make for a good video, We could use my ski when I get it. But I've asked around and so far I can't get an answer as to how to do it. What are your thoughts on it and do you think it would mess up the warranty? On a side note to this, I got on my friends Yamaha to give it a try and because I have to use my whole hand to pull the throttle since the fingers I do have can't reach, as soon as I gave it some gas, the forward momentum pulled me back and we were full throttle and doing 70 within seconds...Maybe it's just because of the type of ski. Maybe the Sea Doo will have a slower start and I can control it better. You've been on both, do you think I might be ok without swapping? I appreciate your time. Cheers Friend...

[@watercraftjournal]

Before buying anything I strongly suggest investigating this matter further. There was a company doing single handle replacements for older PWC (none with brakes) called “Design Ability” but they’re no longer making conversions. I’m sorry but I don’t think there’s anyone performing the change you require.

[@mattblundo6009]

@@watercraftjournal It's nice to have all of your fingers...Can't catch a break...I figured if you couldn't help then I am out of luck...Thanks for your time anyway

[@travistucker7317]

@Matt Blundo this is definitely doable. Worst case (free) scenario is your right side buttons are on the left side and upside down.

[@3akoscielski]

Check out "Nigel's Cheap Vlogs" for his IDf Failure experience with his brand new GTX 170 to see how quickly Seadoo is fixing the units.

[@watercraftjournal]

Not necessary. We get the info straight from the horse's mouth.

[@ironsidepwcfishing7801]

Bro, love most of the vids, and I was one of the dudes who originally emailed you about 5+ hours in 42 degree weather resulting in a 911 call...But this vid is not truthful for those of us who lived the situation. Sea-Doo is doing NOTHING for anyone. They have ALL of our contact information's, and I have yet to hear of 1 person who was contacted prior to the failure. I was fortunate enough my dealer bought it back after 1 month in the shop, and he said it would be another month before they got the gear box. this was my 1st ski ever, I had no brand loyalty, and am certainly not a troll. This is a real issue, with real potential consequences for those involved both monetarily and safety. You have to realize, people will be taking their kids and everything else out on these with the expectation of functionality...

[@ironsidepwcfishing7801]

Not only that, but their customer support, 4 out of the 5 were nice and respectful, the 5th who was the 'highest level of customer support' was a complete and total *******. I bought a boat, so I am not living in PWC world anymore, but please get with some of us who experienced, get our side, and then let people also know how this was 100% not being handled correctly.

[@wilbernardii]

Yes I’m one of them stuck with the ski, you are lucky you have a good dealer.

[@watercraftjournal]

This video is 100% truthful. They're on top of it. Just read the other comments below. And the failure rate is less than 7%. I've seen the service records. But the rate of speed just isn't enough to keep folks happy. YES! your experience has been awful, it sucks and frankly, In my view you're owed a far better and faster response from BRP but it ain't gonna happen. Ask anyone who lived through the first 1-3 years of iBR failures. Or SVHO engines snapping timing chains. Or ST3 hulls cracking. Folks are going to spend the ENTIRE season waiting for parts and repairs. That is 100% fact. Ugly, crappy fact. They'll have their skis fixed, but it'll be once the year's production run is complete and the supply of updated IDF components finally fill back up. It's nothing but bad news for those who are waiting - but at least they're not ignoring these failures like OE's have done in previous years. -K

[@ironsidepwcfishing7801]

@@watercraftjournal appreciate the response man. I just want people to be safe above all else and be aware of the issue. Thanks man.

[@wilbernardii]

@@watercraftjournal oh so it’s ok for us to pay for something that is sitting on the shop ? Why they dont prioritize this issues ? Because they care more about their bank accounts than happy customers I guess.

[@badkarma2202]

KZbin is not your friend as well. All any care about is the problem fixed. I was buying one but holding off until some clarity is released by Sea-Doo.

[@watercraftjournal]

Nope. But we're still playing in their sandbox.

[@MikeZ32TT]

Thanks for the info. I might be able to trade my GTI 155 for a GTX ltd w/idf at the end of the season. Adding some cash on my end too lol.

[@watercraftjournal]

Good luck!

[@JonnyBoy350Z]

@@watercraftjournal is there a way to verify the service was completed by the dealership besides their word?

[@watercraftjournal]

Nope.

[@patricksweeney4575]

Just took delivery of my GTX 230 with IDF, 30 minutes on the new ski when it broke down mid-ride and won't start. Dealer already has another one in the shop with the same problem... Unfortunate, but at least I still have the GTR 230 to have fun with

[@watercraftjournal]

That means that the dealer did not perform the required pressure check before selling it. It's on the dealers to have their service dept. check these machines before handing them over to the customer.

[@michaelglen6704]

Patrick ask them to replace the while idf component. Might still have damage from the first time.

[@brothersclash3088]

So the IDF systems we are seeing now are on brand new skis barely broken in. My question is: How reliable is this IDF system in the long run after running your ski in rough water and jumping waves. Is it going to miss align again and be a potential issue in the future? We all want a problem free ski, not one with a ticking time bomb that will tank resale values in the future.

[@watercraftjournal]

It's not meant for jumping waves. No Sea-Doo is. Kevin has detailed how this system works, and it's nothing like you're asking.

[@brothersclash3088]

@@watercraftjournal good then I won't have to worry

[@MayooN]

@@watercraftjournal Hi, where is Kevins Video on IDF ?

[@ronbrooks4767]

☠ Thank you for the insight on the 300 limited. Questions answered and thought process of problem or potential. I was thinking of backing out of getting the 300 but now I will as long as the dealer that I know will correct and inspect the IDF. Thanks Kevin. From the Personal Watercraft safety initiative.

[@watercraftjournal]

Glad it was helpful! Again, simply be in contact with your service dept.

[@andymaas9263]

i got mine just this Thursday, May 27, 2021 and the IDF failed. So the idea that this is fixed and addressed is simply not accurate.

[@andymaas9263]

I'm also not sewing fear. It is just my honest experience. I really really wanted it to work. I was rooting for Sea-Doo. I bought into it full throttle. And for about three hours i was having the time of my life on the machine and was going to shout from the rooftops how excited i was. But that only lasted three hours. And frankly what you say about Sea-Doo really caring about IDF is also not my experience. They not only don't want to deal with it, but they simply don't want to talk to customers about it. They are pushing everything to the dealers who have no information. I swear i'm not being biased. I never bought a PWC before so i'm not in one camp or the other. All i will say is what i experienced. And what i experienced is not what you are describing. I'm either really lucky or unlucky depending on how you want to look at it, but i have been worried about this since february and alerted my dealer and everyone else and my worst nightmare came through. I know you said i'm a fool for buying a first generation of anything, but that's frankly not a good way to treat people.

[@watercraftjournal]

This means that the dealer is not performing the pressure check as required.

[@ThePersonalWatercraftChannel]

My dealer and BRP got me the cost of IDF back. So push your dealers and BRP

[@watercraftjournal]

That's incredible! Good work!

[@ktmdays]

I lived it seadoo bought mine back there not on top of anything prure hell I know all the name of the sevice people Leo chang. Fransisco Ben from calling them so manytimes the problems keep showing up

[@watercraftjournal]

Dang. Sorry to hear that.

[@patrickmorel477]

I have one with no idf and i never start it when im on the edge of the water.. i always wait to be far away and then i start it ... And never had any problem , nothing was jam in my machine!! Its an invention to make people spend money

[@watercraftjournal]

The fleet at Up Lake Adventures all have IDF, all use them regularly, and haven’t experienced any failures.

[@djpitr]

We need make it simple and not add more complicated stuff !! I think I wait for EV GTX .. no gears , no oil , no overheating... easy reverse driving.... just charge it and go

[@watercraftjournal]

Great point.

[@jeffnuckolls7708]

There is a lemon law in most states.

[@watercraftjournal]

True, and do you know the minimum to qualify in most states? A 20% failure rate. Right now IDF failures are less than 7.

[@jeffnuckolls7708]

In my state if the dealer has your vehicle more than 21 days for the same problem or three times for the same problem the dealer buys it back.

[@jeffnuckolls7708]

Oops, correction- I just looked it up, in Oregon the dealer has three attempts or 30 days in for repair for a safety problem.

[@watercraftjournal]

Interesting! Most states have customer protection laws like that - it's good to know your rights!

[@Thirteen7447]

There were a couple of vids of owners saying Sea Doo was not willing to do anything with the problem

[@watercraftjournal]

Then they are idiots or liars.

[@michaeld8691]

7% is the metric of failure. Can you tell us how many units that is that failed versus how many units sold?

[@watercraftjournal]

Kevin literally said he doesn’t have the numbers.

[@callez2402]

Totally unacceptable not to pick up this during development.

[@angelc6395]

IDF: Wait and see. Not buying it just yet.

[@watercraftjournal]

That's the route many are taking.

[@cowlumbus]

Sure new tech is a gateway to the future but count me out as the lab rat. Sorry but a decoupling transmission in a ski sounds like years or working the bugs out. To many moving parts for me. I don't mind all the tech, electronics and sensors but mechinally...nope. To much to go wrong for as poor as the warranty is on these beasts.

[@watercraftjournal]

That's already what IDF is, at least in a nascent form.

[@brianartz4179]

It’s a good thing these guys don’t make aircraft… Oh wait a minute…

[@watercraftjournal]

HA HA!

[@bodiejones4844]

Dude not a couple people. Thousands of first ride break downs. Come on man

[@watercraftjournal]

I've seen the (confidential) service reports; it's definitely not in the thousands. In fact, there have been less than 100 active failures (what you call "first ride breakdowns"). -K

[@terrencemurphy2377]

I JUST PUT A NEW FISH PRO IN THE WATER AND HAD FAILURE WITHIN TEN MINUTES.....SO THIS VIDEO NOT SO ACCURATE, SEADOO IS NOT ON TOP OF IT.

[@watercraftjournal]

Terrence, we're sorry to hear this. Sea-Doo IS "on top of it" as indicted by the service records and parts distribution, but your dealer failed to do their job.

[@philpollard7260]

Seadoo and there gimmicks to try to sell more junk.

[@watercraftjournal]

Don't worry, Yamaha will follow suit in 4-5 years.

[@JohnWheeler81]

Handful of units. nah you sir you are way off.

[@watercraftjournal]

Nah, we have the numbers. It's only 9-10% of total iDF-equipped units seeing failures. Well below the federal minimum for a recall. We have the hard numbers, not BS Facebook complainers and KZbin channels.

[@philpollard7260]

Its junk like everything else seadoo makes!

[@watercraftjournal]

What were we saying about brand loyal trolls? :P

[@MikeZ32TT]

Lol and how about Yamaha's cracking heads.

[@philpollard7260]

@@MikeZ32TT I own a repair shop Phil's jetski repair Google it havent seen any cracked Yamaha heads.

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes, there have been some SVHO heads splitting. Changes made to the casting in mid-2020 have resolved that.

[@michaelglen6704]

@@MikeZ32TT or timing chains