Updates to IDF & All Carbon Seals: WCJ Quick Topic

[@tonyw7836]

Thank you for the update on both items. I feel better now, Back to Seedoo.

[@jeffreycarter3066]

Thank you for the great content.

[@watercraftjournal]

You're welcome

[@stevenoliver8213]

Thanks for the update! 2021 RXT w/ 35 hours is in the shop for water spray around the carbon seal. I was told that the carbon seal was good but the o-rings might be leaking. Dealer is replacing the carbon seal and bellows assembly under warranty. I did a lot of research and took the top deck off and rode the ski so I could see the water spray. Do your research and come prepared when you visit the dealer, your time will pay off.

[@watercraftjournal]

Thanks for the info!

[@docholiday9562]

Just adding a comment because this is important info…

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes, it's useful.

[@docholiday9562]

@@watercraftjournal just watched your video from tonight…good stuff…and hope you feel better…you sound and look like I feel…I have Bronchitis…day 3 of a Zpack and Prednisone…coughing is brutal…but slowly getting better…worse at night even with “good” RX cough syrup..

[@FLiPSyDe71]

I have a 2020 RXT-X.... would I be able to retrofit my bellows and carbon seal from a 2021 version?

[@leandyp1941]

Yes, when you purchase it from see do you would get an updated part?

[@justhavingfun0736]

Thank you for explaining Sea-Doo changes. I was within a day of ordering a 2022 RXT-X. I paused after hearing about all the carbon seal and IDF issues. I still haven’t fully decided whether I will order the Yamaha or the Sea-Doo. Thank you again

[@watercraftjournal]

Hopefully this eases your concerns about Sea-Doo. Thankfully, not many things are as bad as the internet would have you believe.

[@atlasappliance9004]

@justhavingfun I just ordered a 2022 rxt 2 weeks ago. I was back and forth. Seadoo or yamaha. I was originally going yamaha after my buddy said seadoo was junk. Then talked to someone else I know who has an 2 2018 rxp and said he's had no issues at all. Then talked to my friends dad that said kawasaki is the best lol. Ive read good and bad with all the brands. So I went with my gut and the ski I liked the best.

[@boilerfreak77]

J forge is that you buddy? It's me sota... lol you and I think so much alike lol

[@Courtneykoon]

What’d you end up going with and how is it?

[@DennisSwanson517]

Awesome like always

[@watercraftjournal]

Thanks again!

[@JimmyMusignac]

Excellent information as always presented by Shaw Media Group.

[@watercraftjournal]

Thank you!

[@dcherney]

I felt a little better after your response to my comment on IDF worries on the two 2022 GTX Limiteds we ordered. I feel even better now. Thank you! Now if they would only show up to the dealership. 🤣

[@watercraftjournal]

Glad we could help

[@mahdimarmouz7733]

IDF on rxt and rxp ? Did not see that anywhere on the 2022 !

[@watercraftjournal]

It was originally announced during the 2022 reveal.

[@JeffTrop]

I finally pulled the trigger on a 2022 RXT-X 300 with the tech package and audio. It's coming in January and can't wait! I just can't get clarity if it has iDF or not. Even the salesman at the dealership can't confirm. Do the 2022 RXT-X's include iDF? If not is cleaning it out that difficult?

[@watercraftjournal]

It should, yes.

[@JeffTrop]

@@watercraftjournal Thanks Kevin! You're reviews and insight has helped a lot.

[@j.k.chillingworth6646]

hey bro! thanks!! epic information. i’ve been holding off until all the bugs were worked out. great explanation and i’m glad you somehow luckily have corporates ear. i used to work for a caterpillar dealer and each new updated machine always had quirks that had to be fixed with packages like that part list. it looked so familiar. i’m stoked the engineers gave enough f*cks to come up with the remedy. and yeah, sorry to all those watermen that got screwed early on. hope the manufacturer took care and stoked them out. without this information you can tell martin i woulda bought that fx.. thx kev 🤙🏽

[@watercraftjournal]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jeffreycarter3066]

Why does Seadoo have a carbon seal? Why not go with what Yamaha and Kawasaki have?

[@watercraftjournal]

$$$

[@Yomama29111]

Good thing my first ski is a 2021 SeaDoo

[@watercraftjournal]

Enjoy!

[@IWrenchmobile]

What would the PWC industry be without you Kevin ! Thank you for all you do

[@watercraftjournal]

LOL that’s very much appreciated!

[@ivanoreskovic5582]

One question…..2021 model GTX 300 limited, after 4 hours of ride it have salt around carbon seal and on supercarger?, is this normal?, ski is 20hours

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes. That's why you MUST wash out the engine compartment as Kevin has illustrated in our Saltwater/cleaning video.

[@mustafahaji1390]

What is your suggestion, I’m getting a GTI se 170 with idf or without? Pls advise?

[@watercraftjournal]

It's up to you. We've laid out all of the info on IDF.

[@StoutFlier]

Is there a way to verify if a PWC got the FULL 6 component change by serial number? I got mine in Feb, and although I haven't had an issue in the first 22 hours, I'd really like to know that it is assembled with the most current components.

[@watercraftjournal]

You're fine. Enjoy your ski.

[@D3M0z]

I have a question I was thinking of switching to seadoo this year I take care of my skis of it fails and sinks does seadoo cover the damages of under warranty I just pulled a 2021 rxp300 out the river a few days ago if I didn't ride by would have been total loss he was sitting on a small sand bar and minutes before the tide covered it up

[@watercraftjournal]

No. It is a WEAR ITEM like the brakes and tires on your car.

[@D3M0z]

@@watercraftjournal so u have a brand new ski that sinks because of factory default and u lose 20 grand🙈 ouch

[@D3M0z]

I'm pretty sure the guy said it had less than 20 hours 🤔 I was wondering what his outcome was

[@watercraftjournal]

If you're shallow starting it, running up the beach, jumping it or otherwise misusing the machine - all stuff the owner's manual and all those obnoxious stickers plastered all over the ski say, the manufacturer shouldn't have to cover the cost, should they?

[@stangmanshelby5330]

Just purchased (2) 2020 RXTX’s with 60hrs. Both require new seals, impeller shafts and bellow covers per dealer. At my cost, Really sucks!!!

[@watercraftjournal]

Yikes!

[@mattfoster9519]

2021 RXT-X 300 with 25 trouble-free hours. Definitely an improvement from the carbon seal issues on my 2019. Does the 2022 RXT-X have IDF?

[@watercraftjournal]

If ordered, we believe.

[@gudelauneee]

i called seadoo official support. the rxt-x won't have idf... you can't even order

[@jeffkashat]

So, wait! 2022 rxpx and rxtx are going to have idf too?

[@watercraftjournal]

Yes, if you order it.

[@jeffkashat4625]

@@watercraftjournal That's awesome, I didn't know that. Thanks! Funny Sea Doo doesn't mention that at all anywhere on their website. I ordered two new 2022's, a RXPX 300 and RXTX 300, both in Triple Black, with Tech/Audio Package on both. I was considering cancelling the RXTX as I already have a 2021 RXTX in Midnight Purple, which I was planning on selling in the spring. I was second guessing coming out of the 2021 just for Color and the Tech (screen). But, now that you have confirmed the iDf for both, I'll for sure stick with it as I plan on this being used for my wife and oldest daughter. The iDF and Tech package is definitely worth the upgrade in my opinion, plus as much as I do like the Purple, the Triple Black pair will be much cooler in my opinion.

[@garethb1968]

I have had 3 carbon seals with in 100 hours , engine is 100% in line

[@DC-si8xw]

What year and model?

[@mdean1288]

Bro i feel you. Im on number 4 in two years. Engine alignment is spot on, mounts look perfect, replaced every component on the drive line. Very careful not to get in shallow water, dont run it for more than 30 seconds out of water. This last one lasted an hour before it leaked. I never jump waves if I can help it.

[@watercraftjournal]

Sorry to hear it.

[@mikeyd7195]

I have a 2021 GTX limited with idf. I have 22 hours and no failure. Do I require the 6 part fix?

[@watercraftjournal]

That's a question for your Service Dept.

[@ivanoreskovic5582]

Gtx2021, Croatia, late Aug, 5hours, 0 problems

[@watercraftjournal]

Awesome!

[@siyuanliu5451]

Will 2021 model carbon seals last 10 years if riding very carefully?

[@watercraftjournal]

Nobody can guarantee that is it is still a WEAR ITEM like the wear ring in your pump.

[@DC-si8xw]

How can you judge if they have improved? The new seals are less than one year old, is it too soon? They failed within a year before 2020-21? Thanks

[@watercraftjournal]

Because they see the service request numbers every year. It's pretty easy to tell.

[@dcptiv]

How long does a seal last and cost? I got 364hrs out of the Kawasaki 310 hull bearing & cost me around $350aud I think. Got no issues with the manual reverse because its less to go wrong.

[@watercraftjournal]

That's dependent upon how you maintain and operate your Sea-Doo. Many fail to operate it properly and see early failure. With these changes, failures are declined dramatically.

[@boandjill]

I sold a 2011 GTI w/350 salt hours last year. It had the original carbon seal and was working fine.

[@watercraftjournal]

Nice!

[@JoseJimenez-xp2ym]

@@boandjill so that means my 2012 gti with 56h is brand new..😂

[@stevemegna9496]

What seal type do kawi and yamaha run?

[@raymondmorales8252]

This other brands that you mention use another type of desing to avoid their watercrafts water intrusion

[@watercraftjournal]

It's a sealed bearing. It hasn't changed in decades (no need to).

[@mdean1288]

Can the new design be retrofitted to a 4tec?

[@watercraftjournal]

Unknown.

[@7mpowerd]

Curious how long till Yamaha or Kawasaki runs their own version of IDF

[@watercraftjournal]

Minimum 4-5 years if at all.

[@skylineboy11]

Hopefully fucking never

[@7mpowerd]

@@skylineboy11 the system is a superb idea, and I think Yamaha has lots of gear box experience from their other power sport. Should be easy for them to make it reliable.

[@scotttabak6755]

250 hrs 18 rxtx. 🤞

[@watercraftjournal]

Nice!

[@billjenkins1535]

Yeah and for all those past years they have been saying operator errorn

[@watercraftjournal]

And for the most part IT HAS BEEN.

[@jasonmekush5280]

Wonder if yamaha will copy seadoo and come up w something like this

[@philpollard7260]

Yamaha will never copy anything Sea-Doo does because everything Sea-Doo does is garbage!

[@evanleo7633]

@@philpollard7260 like brakes?

[@watercraftjournal]

No, Yamaha has zero plans to change from a sealed bearing - ever.

[@jasonmekush5280]

@@watercraftjournal i meant the idf feature sounds nice until it breaks or adds prob 300 $ the the msrp

[@jaybdvm]

IDF in theory is a good idea but as others have said adds cost and is another area for mechanical failure. Yamaha has clean out ports(s). I assume Seadoo would have them but they are Yamaha patented, so this is Seadoo's workaround.

[@philpollard7260]

It's a shity design no matter how good they make those carbon seals! As soon as the motor mounts break there's a good chance your Sea-Doo will sink!

[@watercraftjournal]

And how do the motor mounts break? Jumping skis?

[@WaterDR-tw8re]

This is such a dumb design for so many reasons. Come on guys.

[@watercraftjournal]

They're married to it. It ain't going anywhere.