What Sonic Heroes Could Have Looked like

Sonic Heroes Released nearly 20 years ago and there was a GREAT amount of cut content or changed content in the game. So in today's video, we're going to look at What Sonic Heroes Could Have Looked like. Also thank you all so much for 5000 Subscribers. we're halfway to 10K so LOCK IN!!!
Chapters
00:00 - What Sonic Heroes COULD have looked like
1:01 - Development Struggles
3:22 - Concept/Unused content
5:53 - Prototype intro
7:21 - Prototype Music
8:52 - 20-year-old PS2 Beta
11:17 - This game COULD be great
12:02 - THANK YOU FOR 5000 SUBS!!!!!

[@redbop_]

nearly dying from working on a blue hedgehog game is fucking insane

[@shaulov10]

This sonic shit is serious. Be ready to die behind it

[@rynobehnke8289]

The most ridicules part is. That wasn't even the first time. This is as one of Sonic X-Tream's developers also worked himself nearly to death.

[@redbop_]

@@rynobehnke8289 if i had a nickel for every time a sonic developer was overworked and nearly died, i'd have two nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice

[@moosesues8887]

I would too I would die for the goat

[@rvght_]

Wouldn’t even have been the first time this shit has happened lol cheek out sonic xtreme’s story

[@WhatIsMatter101]

Sonic Team on every Sonic game released: the game had a troubled development.

[@shaulov10]

It’s really unfortunate cause Sega dosent think there BIGGEST franchise is worth the time or money, when frontiers literally proves otherwise.

[@NoNamex1412]

I loved when cloud, aerith and tifa fought neo metal Sepiroth and then they said "Because we're Final Fantasy"

[@TheOneAndOnlyJanitor.]

The best part was whenn they said "it's final fantasing time" and final fantased all over the place

[@shaulov10]

The FF7 transition is working 😈

[@NoNamex1412]

@@shaulov10 there isn't a maria boss fight so ff7 is a 0/10 game

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Metal Sepiroth, leak Tifa’s Noods

[@FuzHammer]

Sonic Hearts

[@TekRonan]

For possible context to the vocals on the prototype intro theme, it is actually pretty common for musicians to hum/mumble/scat/whatever a melody over the instrumental so they remember it when writing the song. As someone who makes music myself and has watched streams and such of others recording music, this is actually a very valid technique that makes it so the vocalist has a vocal blueprint to write to.

[@PCFROMVCS]

Yeah, just place holder lyrics. Sounds hilarious though

[@5framesgaming]

this exactly. its very common to come up with the melody before the lyrics. sometimes that wordless melody ends up on a demo! XD

[@8BitPreston]

Johnny was asked about this and confirmed this is what he did

[@sinfulrat287]

During development for music they usually hum to get the rythm for the vocals before they start implementing them, kinda just feeling out the song before sticking with it and adding vocals

[@shaulov10]

Aahhh I see ok that makes sense

[@ALegendaryBlueHedge]

Iizuka is a real one ngl, i have no idea why some people want him fired

[@shaulov10]

Cause sonic fans

[@kingalastor936]

He wants sonic games to be linear as opposed to multiple paths.

[@ALegendaryBlueHedge]

@kingalastor936 Bruh 3D Sonic games have always been linear 💀. I'm very sure that's not nearly big enough of a reason to want someone fired from their job

[@Sydney_Angelyt]

@@kingalastor936says you?

[@ashesGeek]

​@thelegendarybluehedgehog5465 people want him fired because he's heavily involved with all Sonic games and he manages to make fans butthurt saying stuff like there's two worlds, Classic Sonic is another dimension counterpart and there will never be Sonic Adventure 3. But yeah, in all honesty it's just Sonic fans being Sonic fans as usual

[@RegisteredFelon-ki8be]

“A game, with a delayed release, with eventually be good. But a game that is rushed, will forever be bad”

[@shaulov10]

Wise words from Nintendo

[@Lime-AID]

"Stop Making up I didn't say"- Gengis Kahn

[@WhatIsMatter101]

It was actually from the game developer Origin (their internal motto and the guys who made Wing Commander). The phrasing is different, but the meaning is the same.

[@elibonham4388]

Halo 2 was good tho

[@superizillian957]

Kid named Duke Nukem forever:

[@thermocrat8369]

Well when Sega rushes all of their sonic games, you kind of need to work day and night.

[@shaulov10]

Sega kinda sucks

[@WhatIsMatter101]

Or Iizuka should resign from Sega (instead of being the butt of "we had a troubled development" meme), build your own company and hire the Sonic fans who made promising fan games. Then market them as fast-paced spiritual successors that are actually good to fill the void felt by Sonic fans. Oh wait, too late, they already made their own games with OCs.

[@Tazmain.]

I have never heard of sonic heroes concept art, this will be a treat!

[@shaulov10]

Always enjoy researching and seeing how things would have been

[@matthewponce1942]

Knowing now that Iizuka was virtually the only level designer when this game has probably one of the best designed stages makes me respect this man even more

[@SuperSonicWarrior93]

Ya know what else I wish this game had? Flashbacks of how Metal Sonic concocted his plans.

[@SpeederLight]

Sonic Heroes is PEAK! NO ONE CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE!

[@shaulov10]

You do you bestie

[@SpeederLight]

@shaulov10 Thanks bestie 🤣 I do love this game and knowing this art truly makes me want a remaster of this game even more 😭

[@TekRonan]

You have a right to your opinion. Just like I have a right to mine. Which is Rush Adventure is peak lol Heroes was a great game. It gets too much hate when honestly? As someone who grew up with it, it wasn't nearly as bad as the actual bad games in the series(Labrinth, 06, Secret Rings, Forces).

[@cooljrgaming9729]

​@TekRonan I dont even mind Sonic Labyrinth.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

Goated Game, shows how Talented Sonic Team used to be making this game with only 19 people and less than 2 years.

[@shaulov10]

W Glazing

[@JonyPlayz1]

Interesting video! It’s crazy how someone can almost die for a game. lizuka doesn’t get enough credit for his work nowadays honestly

[@shaulov10]

True. He also basically saved frontiers

[@JonyPlayz1]

@@shaulov10 Indeed

[@nyx3983]

he's humming to catch his flow and write lyrics in afterwards. fairly common practice in music during production & demoes.

[@Natezilla_2]

This series didn’t peak until Lost World with Windy Hill

[@shaulov10]

I SAID YOU WAIT

[@SussyMccranberry]

what

[@SussyMccranberry]

No way jose

[@lowkey_soulee]

I love that concept art.My personal favorite was the unused stages because of what could of been.W video really good editing keep going bro peace and blessings.

[@victoralanhernandez6894]

Amazing video I did not know the concept art was this cool

[@shaulov10]

Yeah it’s a shame that some concepts didn’t make it into the final game

[@JOE_PHILIP]

Congrats on 5K!!!!💯💯The quality of your videos has changed so much. Good Cooking!! 💪💪🗣️🗣️👏👏

[@shaulov10]

Thank you man. Will continue to cook

[@ominicronikal0902]

Congrats on 5k! You deserve the world my friend! Now is just the start!

[@shaulov10]

THANKYOUUUUU!!! WERE ONLY GOING UP FROM HERE

[@ominicronikal0902]

@@shaulov10 YESSIR!!!!!!!!!!

[@lightningboy7099]

Congrats on 5k. Proud of you bro.

[@shaulov10]

Thanks man!!

[@jboyathegamer]

Ok so i live seeing your videos but the ones where you say what the games could've been is just fantastic i love the concept videos despite the fact that i never played heroes yet it always looked cool

[@animeist72]

The cut dialogue would have been a neat addition to add to this video. The script implies was going to be a Christmas theme level and some kind of sea creature boss fight.

[@shaulov10]

Oh I didn’t even know there was different script

[@animeist72]

The full script was translated from Japanese and released recently like the PS2 prototype

[@destronlaserwave9566]

Looking at the concept art, some of it depicts Sonic running alone through the levels. So it makes me wonder if the team mechanic was added later in development and the game started off as something more aligned with the Adventure gameplay.

[@shaulov10]

I’m not sure cause Izuka mentioned he wanted teams to be a thing during the conceptualtion phase

[@Arcs358]

Good luck on getting 10k subs

[@shaulov10]

Thank you man!!!

[@NoahNCopeland]

7:19 he was thinking of this process you may have heard of called song writing

[@fanteo8692]

Woah. It's you!

[@fanteo8692]

Loved your game man and that OST was 🔥

[@shaulov10]

I was informed that it’s something called scatting. Now I know

[@Lit-C]

Incredible video, man. But, might I suggest, if you haven't done it already, making a video about Sonic Forces' cut content. After taking a look at it myself, it looks like Sonci Forces could've been an incredible game based off concept art and cut content. But due to corporate medaling, it ended up the way we know the game now. Idk, seems like an interesting idea for this series

[@shaulov10]

I actually have done a vid on forces cut content so you can go check it out

[@Lit-C]

@@shaulov10 A simply KZbin search would've saved me the 3 minutes I spent making that comment 😭

[@bowserbreaker2515]

For a game that was so rushed, it came out really well.

[@shaulov10]

Fair

[@bowserbreaker2515]

@@shaulov10 It was presented well, I enjoyed the story despite being a downgrade from SA2, and the music was still great. Its only real big issue was the controls.

[@CedDrawsNear]

hanged castle being an actual hanging castle is so fucking cool

[@fanteo8692]

The only thing cut were the children in Shaulov's basement in 2029 (Congrats on 5k Subs and also the video was great)

[@SolarisFox_svp]

Because we're Sonic Zeroes 5:29 mf Skeleton Dome from Secret Rings before the Wii-

[@shaulov10]

It’s more of a mix of skeleton dome and the pirate stage

[@SolarisFox_svp]

Pirate Storm respect@@shaulov10

[@RyonMugen]

Looking back at this game, it really reminds me of the time around the release date, all of those amazing games and all my gamcube games

[@possibly_ben]

5:28 this looks like it was repurposed into skeleton dome from secret rings

[@shaulov10]

Maybe not skeleton dome but pirate storm

[@doubleG2]

Neat vid. Also are you gonna make another stream in the future

[@shaulov10]

Probably gonna stream later today

[@ChargedTheHedgehog]

Bro why does McDonald’s keep on ruining sonic games

[@shaulov10]

It’s like a curse

[@ScruffyGuffy]

The series returns

[@shaulov10]

Probably gonna make an episode for every major milestone on the channel

[@ScruffyGuffy]

What do you think the next game and milestone will be?

[@Deadchannel12817]

Really want to play but Sega don’t want to remake it

[@shaulov10]

Emulation is a beautiful thing

[@Dark_KK]

I love neo metal sonic

[@shaulov10]

Him and metal overlord are both peak

[@nnamditube6477]

This is why this game deserves a remake to redeem itself and people should give this game a bit more respect although how they fill about this game

[@aluzion2616]

My first video game ❤️

[@shaulov10]

Damn. Mine was phines and ferb for the DS

[@BrokeNostalgic]

Sega should definitely remake heroes and include all the cut content and make the story how it was meant to be. Imagine the hype if they ever did that.

[@chinorobua9596]

the fact that izuka nearly died while making this game is disturbing. like what was sega thinking

[@shaulov10]

They don’t think. That’s the problem

[@chinorobua9596]

@@shaulov10 your right.they never do

[@mysterycupofjoe2670]

One of my favirite Sonic games. Needs a re-release or remaster.

[@shaulov10]

Nah it needs a full blown remake

[@jessestevenson8361]

What johnny was doing is called scatting its something singers do when they know what the melody will be already but haven’t completed the lyrics yet. Overall pretty common in the music industry

[@shaulov10]

Oh ok i see. I though he was just humming or sum

[@TekRonan]

This, this exactly. Wish I saw this before I commented the same thing lol

[@OM4GAA]

w shauvlov video

[@shaulov10]

W comment

[@nnamditube6477]

Some Sonic fans when they talk about 06 remake: it has potential even though it ruined the franchise Some sonic fans when they talk about heroes remake: it has no potential and the can't fix it even though when it helped the franchise grow and its iconic

[@beanbean9364]

Honestly knowing the background of this game makes me love it and appreciate it even more. Now, is it the best thing ever? Hell no. But the fact that this game was only built with 19 people just makes me want to pick it back up again. I hope a remaster or remake (more remake) happens some day. The history game absolutely deserves it

[@chaoraiser2338]

Bro honestly I would build a team of modders to add these things or a few of these things if I had the patience and even knew any that would be willing to help, I love the hell out this game I was honestly so sad when I was younger when I found out characters like mighty and ray were gonna be in that game...pretty sure that's how I even knew they were characters I think

[@Mullyboy2]

shame they cut so much content besides the actual fucking game itself

[@shaulov10]

TRUUUUUUUE

[@matitheanimator]

2:59 imagine dying because a f*cking videogame

[@shaulov10]

This sonic shits serious, be ready to die behind it

[@EstelleZer0]

Another detail that could've made the cut was that characters such as Mighty, Ray, Fang, Bean, Bark, E102 Gamma & Chaos were going to appear.

[@shaulov10]

Yeah I forgot Izuka mentioned he wanted to bring back a lot of characters from the classics but couldn’t due to time constraints

[@robonaught]

@@shaulov10 Also Metal Sonic was actually amongst the original team roster (he was with Mighty and Ray) which seems to point to he wasn't originally going to be the villain.

[@QUADRAXIS666]

all i want is a modern re-release!!!!!!!!!!!

[@LSC494]

Imagine what 06 would have looked like (I know p06 exists but I would like to have seen what sonic team would have done if they were given enough time)

[@shaulov10]

That game could have been great

[@LSC494]

@@shaulov10 also congratulations on 5k subscribers

[@Mungusdofu]

In my opinion, Sonic Heroes environment is the perfect building design for Sonic's World, It's a blend of cartoony and colorful style like the classic games but with realistic stuff like the Modern Games. Frog Forest, Hang Castle and Bullet Train are really unique, Colors is colorful yes, but it feels bland and for Sonic Lost World, its also bland but worse. There is just something perfect environment in my eyes in Sonic Heroes.

[@YANG_OSC]

sonic lost world is still good otherwise love the vid

[@shaulov10]

What does lost world have anything to do with this 😭😭

[@YANG_OSC]

@@shaulov10 nothing, i just wanted to point it out

[@Natezilla_2]

I love you

[@YANG_OSC]

@@Natezilla_2 thanks

[@sams9440]

the ancient stage is based on japanise archeological figurines.

[@ChibiSteak]

12:59 fin.

[@VenomHEDGEHOG]

Sonic teamdeserve to go to heaven, starting with god lizuka

[@shaulov10]

That’s some insane glazing

[@arc7375]

“Foilage”? *Foliage.

[@ItYaBoiGreen]

surprised u didnt mention the original teams that were supposed to be in heros

[@shaulov10]

Tbh those completely slipped my mind.

[@josephjoestarrequiem-bub1340]

One more like forn300 likes 👍🏾😊

[@shaulov10]

Monumentous W

[@afhamdanish1957]

Isn't 19 people though making sonic heroes if was a 19 people making this game is really impressive ngl even though the game has some issue but still impressive

[@shaulov10]

According to all the sources I could find there was only 19 or so people. It’s really a miracle the game came out

[@afhamdanish1957]

@@shaulov10 that's cool

[@gregtom3272]

also did you know that the game was supposed to be made for xbox and game cube, but sony said to sega, to release this game in play station 2 or they will not be allowed to release a game on a play station consol ever again

[@shaulov10]

Oh ok that makes a lot of sense why the ps2 port is the worst

[@RudyEcheverria-eo5yp]

One of the first ones here

[@shaulov10]

Man…

[@littlebigplaylbpgames9676]

But Seaside Hill is a very good music for a stage. I prefered it better than some rock theme...

[@ubercomrade]

You say foliage like Marge Simpson

[@jeromyperez5532]

Yo, I'm gonna call you out just a little bit. At around 2:30 you say that technology makes it harder to develop games and this just isn't true. If technology made it *more difficult* to develop for games, nobody would advance technology. Fact of the matter is, making a game in UE5 is far more simple than making Mario Brothers back in the day even though the game was far more simple. You just have way more options now.

[@shaulov10]

While true. It still would take more resources, models and textures need to be higher quality. Games on average were becoming longer which means more content was needed. And this was during a time before UE5 where you had nanites and automatics LOD and optimization took longer, especially when graphics were getting more advanced. So technically games were getting more difficult to make. But they are getting easier and more streamlined

[@jeromyperez5532]

@@shaulov10 Look, I get what you're saying, I'm not trying to bust your chops. But I think there's confusion here. Maybe people demanded *more* from their games, but that means that the games conceptually were larger in scope- not technologically more difficult to make. If these exact same developers had access to UE5, Unity or GODOT today they would have absolutely no troubles cranking out the same game in half the time with fewer technical issues.

[@JamesMorganVrictorsSon]

Not called a demo but ok

[@shaulov10]

Demo beta whatever same diff

[@musor-hc2tj]

Hurray, another video about the topic no one have covered before Like lol, there's a video from a guy named Cifesk published Jan 27, 2024 which is two weeks ago. At least he compiled everything into one big video Another useless video

[@wlliamson53]

I hate it when sonic games reuse stages. Sonic Adventure 2 is the only game with stage diversity

[@shaulov10]

Nah, sonic hero’s and maybe I think forces are the only sonic games that reuse level designs

[@youtubesurfin]

Moon channel is trash propaganda and not worthy of the shout out when there are many more youtubers with more knowledge on Sega.

[@superizillian957]

Explains why the game sucks