What Spider-Man "Fans" Get WRONG About Spider-Man

[@supersonical8770]

It physically hurts me when I see Spider-Man without the hyphen.

[@spidermania]

Couldn’t agree more. It’s like OOF

[@jaybee414-d1l]

Spiderman Spiderman Spiderman Spiderman.... sorry couldn't help myself 🤣

[@Gumshoe08]

I use spiderman because im lazy

[@supersonical8770]

@@Gumshoe08 Lock in.

[@petersarubbi]

Yeah.. it's his identity... it's not his last name...🤦‍♂️😆

[@maybussell5099]

Marvel Editors: “How do we make Spider-Man relatable?” Marvel Writers: “What if he’s always poor and miserable, and nobody respects him, and he never gets what he wants?” Marvel Editors: “Perfect. Let’s go drinking.”

[@UnrealNeoBat]

This logic doesn't make any sense. Why do the writers hate him? You expect me to believe they all think it's relatable?

[@kmmahmud7177]

​@@UnrealNeoBatunfortunately yes😂😅

[@srstriker6420]

And I think that it’s all the 90’s cartoon and Raimi trilogy fault

[@mythosinfinite6736]

​@@srstriker6420 That's certainly a take.

[@gagetaylor192]

@@UnrealNeoBat Well it is relatable. The entire point is that no matter who you are or where you came from, anybody can be spiderman. Maybe not many people can relate to every single thing Spiderman goes through but everyone at some point in their lives HAVE dealt with some of those things. It's one of those things that in my opinion makes Spiderman probably the best hero in Marvel from a moral standpoint. He continues being Spiderman no matter what hardships he has. He's very similar to Superman in that regard. I think they're both the ultimate heroes in Marvel and DC.

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

Also people actually hated the black suit when it first came out but when they found out it was an alien they started to like it

[@Kazuma_Drake]

They hated the design, but then they liked it. So black cat made a cloth version

[@-Hail-15]

nice pfp

[@jaybee414-d1l]

I saw an interview that said the only reason they changed it back was because Todd Macfarlane took over as the artist and didn't like it, which I guess I can understand from his perspective.

[@Kazuma_Drake]

@@jaybee414-d1l At first people hated the change, then they liked it when he switched back to his traditional design, so they made a compromise that Black Cat made a cloth version, so when Todd took over he wanted to change it back to his red and blue duds. They would've changed him back eventually.

[@connor2006]

No. They leaked the concept art and they hated it. Then read Secret Wars and loved it

[@YaboiAware]

Spider-man doesn't have a 'no-kill' rule, but he isn't a killer, he has killed a few times, but they're all either accidental or because he had no choice but to kill his adversary

[@moonkinx]

The PS4/5 games are most accurate on this. Anyone could argue Spidey didn't kill any fodder henchmen but he sure sent them to ICU

[@bethanydavis9023]

​@@moonkinx flashy moves keep the game interesting(atthe cost of unfortunate implications)

[@FragileJesseLord]

Personally I don't think other people can't *create* spider-man's web fluid, but rather no one else can *use* it because the g-forces of swinging like that would send all of the blood to your feet and make you black out and fall to your death. Only Spider-man can use it because his blood acts more like hemolymph (the blood-esque thing that spiders have that wouldn't get yanked by g-forces) Obviously this isn't the case because he bleeds like normal and he can carry normal people while he swings but it's just the way I'd like to think of it

[@Cloverpotato]

There's plenty of potential uses for artificial spider silk fluid that don't involve swinging around like Spider-Man.

[@stevenadamsapple]

I tend to think of it as the unspoken intangibles,sort of like when people would wish for super speed.

[@silvrous8801]

Not to mention it would a regular person's arm clean off

[@nishchayjain1121]

Uncle Ben did say that with great power comes with great responsibility in the comics, it’s just not put in the amazing Fantasy. Uncle Ben is important in Peter’s life.

[@nishchayjain1121]

Also another point, Peter is not an evil jerk before getting his powers, he was still kind but he can sometimes be spit full because of him being bullied, but he always had a support from his Uncle Ben and Aunt May.

[@freshstudios5533]

Yeah but originally it was just stan lee

[@adrianrocha6844]

@@nishchayjain1121before Peter got the powers he was a bit spiteful towards the rest of the world and then when he got the powers had something to use if anyone got in his way hence why he didn’t give a shit when the burglar ran past him

[@nishchayjain1121]

@@adrianrocha6844 that’s because he was bullied and also an outcast.

[@firestriker3580]

That’s false

[@macrochipped]

This video has reminded me how long its been since 616 Peter has been written well.

[@eeremm5543]

I'm like the exact opposite of the last one. Anytime someone spells it like '"Spiderman" I always correct it to "Spider-Man"

[@Mr5ickness]

Same honestly

[@GothamsMostTrusted]

Respecting the hyphen, I dig it

[@firestriker3580]

No

[@awesomefunclassics]

the speeling doesn't matter

[@eeremm5543]

@@awesomefunclassics Yeah, maybe try "speeling" right before you say that, bud.

[@battleframestudios8989]

They showed how it made sense in the movie why Uncle Ben says the great power line. Uncle Ben is under the impression that Peter "does all these weird experiments in his room and starts fights at school." He's noticing Peter start to develop his intelligence and his ego. The great power he's refereing to is a metaphor for that.

[@michaelcolebrook858]

6:30 there was the same quote ‘Great Power, Great Responsibility’, in a comic called, ‘Spider-Man: Mythos’ a retelling of ‘Amazing Fantasy issue 15’ where Uncle Ben and Peter were talking about Flash is scared of him because of his intelligence.

[@firestriker3580]

No

[@mythosinfinite6736]

​@@firestriker3580 No

[@spider-man5544]

It was more of a retcon than anything

[@DienPhillips]

San Rami: “the idea that a teenager would be able to craft a device that complex just wasn’t realistic.” The Movie: gets bitten by a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER.

[@ginogatash4030]

The spider is genetically modified in the film but yeah it's still a bit weird to worry about realism considering how the movie turned out, tho on the other hand it's also weird how Spiderman doesn't have web powers.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

Especially since he made this whole professional-looking hollywood suit at home.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

@@ginogatash4030 Yeah, I don't even think those movies are really "grounded." Like, it's a very goofy, unrealistic world ngl

[@PrinceAliTheGreatest]

@@You-Tube-n5kPeter didn’t make the suit though. In the novelization of the first film, it mentions he had someone who worked for the wrestling promotion make it.

[@You-Tube-n5k]

@@PrinceAliTheGreatest Ah interesting! I do vaguely remember hearing smth like that somewhere now that you mention it.

[@CuppaLLX]

There’s a small correction in this video. The black suit did in fact make Peter stronger or maybe it just made him hold back a list but during the black suit saga, there is a scene where he holds up a fire truck and he comments how it’s easier how before you had a trouble picking up a sedan. So he was absolutely stronger with the back black suit.

[@mantraki]

I have this theory, ok hear me out, the black suit does make him stronger but in another sense, peter hold back his strength consciously and subconsciously, i say the last one because before the black suit arc peter had already messed up big time by not controlling his strength enough (like how he killed one of wolverine's girlfriend), but the black suit doesn't allow him to restrain in any sense (think of it like the berserk armor in berserk)

[@nabilhuzir2066]

Um no , even in the 90s comics eddie literally said that the symbiote didn't make peter stronger since Peter was already enhanced, and that fire truck scene im pretty sure was from the 90s cartoon not the comics

[@mantraki]

@@nabilhuzir2066 Tbf venom gets retconned and soft retconned in the comics so much that part of information may not be canon currently

[@nabilhuzir2066]

@@mantraki true

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

@@mantrakigood theory

[@ComicBooksandVideoGameNerd96]

The reason why Spider-Man is always in high school in other media is because, for some weird reason, Disney thinks that's the only way to market him

[@soufgxtti]

I think it’s just easier to do high school Spider-Man. Spider-Man life is terrible after that.

[@GoeTeeks]

Amazing Spider-Man 1 (movie) and Spectacular Spider-Man (animated show) both had him in High School and neither of those were Disney owned.

[@Snavels]

1:58 I always liked the change more than the original tbh. I think it rounds out the 'spider powers' in a better way

[@alexmcneill6445]

During Chip Zdarsky's run on Daredevil (which I've read recently), Spider-Man makes several guest appearances (tbh, Spidey's guest appearances in DD is the prime reason why I've been reading DD. I get to read some potentially good DD stories and get rewarded with a Spidey cameo~ Now I love DD). In fact, when Daredevil killed a man, Spidey confronts him and then later confides in him, revealing that he killed someone as seen in Spider-Man vs Wolverine. It's a good scene. Weirdly, 616 Spider-Man canonically gets organic webbing but... I think he gets it twice? He gets it in the "Disassembled" arc in Spectacular Spider-Man (2003-2005) and he gets it again (I think?) in a multi-Spidey-book event called "The Other" (Kaine Parker would later get similar powers from "The Other"). Maybe I'm misremembering, but it's kinda weird how they wrote two arcs where Spidey gets organic webs (among other things). BTW, you have Ultimate Spider-Man (2000) to thank for a lot of "tropes" that people apply to 616. USM is a very influential book. It's why most adaptations have Peter in high school. Or why Peter knows the likes of Harry, Gwen, and/or Mary so early on when he meets these significant individuals in college. Heck, when I think about it, I don't think 616 Peter even had a close friend he could talk to frequently during his High School years, and I read Untold Tales of Spider-Man! (It's not perfect, but I love this book~)

[@ubermaster134]

Didn't Peter also get organic webbing during the Spider-island event where he also lost his spider-sense

[@hermannlagrange803]

Adaptation. Different versions have different interpretations. Right and wrong are irrelevant. However, Peter being forever poor makes no sense. That's the thing about MCU Spider-Man I kinda liked, it didn't seem like he was struggling financially. Or maybe that's just me.

[@OdaKa]

I mean, he was a kid in high-school with a well-off aunt and a billionaire playboy philanthropist fairy godfather. But that was before the memory wipe. Now he's a college kid in a dingy apartment. It's gonna happen. Only a matter of time.

[@jbeezie2049]

It’s better for his character if he’s poor and has to work extra hard in school to get farther in life. It gives his character more heart and helps the audience connect with him more because more people can connect to someone that is an underdog. I hate the MCU Spider-Man movies cause it like just about everything is handed to him by Iron Man and he has much less agency.

[@Joel-nu1ed]

3:39 although it does kind of circle back around to it, making sense the context of this Peter it makes sense that he wouldn’t be able to afford web shooters and web fluid

[@ytho6524]

Another misconception is that uncle ben first said the great responsibility quote in the first sam raimi movie, but he said it before that in the 90s show

[@alexanderwilliams3147]

This video just gives the energy of someone who doesn’t understand retcons, different interpretations of the character, and just a general lack of fun

[@VV-ho8dg]

Yeah, got that vibe too. Seems like he's just complaining for the sake of complaining

[@DZ-1987]

I will say though, I agree that Spider-Man should be funny. Like, how can you not make him funny? It's a defining trait. Everything else just sounds like a complaint of a difference of opinion on the direction of the character.

[@esteemedleader]

At some point you just gotta stop and say "I'm sick of all the 'interpretations' and I'd just like the character to be the character" though. That would be fun.

[@shadow_kin2047]

First, wait till he finds out what a retcon is. Second, didn’t Peter tell Kingpin that if Aunt mAy dies, he’s fill his lungs with webs?(she wasn’t dead at that time)

[@You-Tube-n5k]

The Raimi movies really did set the bar for how Spider-Man is in a lot of peoples' minds ngl

[@DanialDEcool]

They were pretty popular for not being black leather and edgy

[@poodn4559]

All these are just "well- it did happen once, but you're wrong if you think that for *your* spiderman"

[@ArachnidYouth]

1. Uncle Ben does tell him this. If it was just a narrator thing why would the narrator credit UNCLE BEN FOR IT. 2. Organic webbing has always been in the comics pre raimi. But it was relegated to the symbiote suit and Spider-Man 2099. People dont actually think Peter has organic webbing originally but its becoming a popular opinion that Peter should have organic webbing because at this point and time there is no reason why Peter should still be stuck with webshooters. Especially with all the new powers Miles gets every other issue. Edit: As some people have pointed out Peter has had organic webbing in the 616 comics after he was mutated into a spider and he started becoming more and more OP. But OMD reset his powers so he's back to using web shooters. I should have mentioned that especially considering The Other is one of my favorite stories.

[@solidspider6509]

In the comics he had organic webbing after being kissed by the Spider Queen. But after one more day he didn’t have the ability anymore. He also lost other powers he had gained

[@DigiTensei]

@@solidspider6509 It was pretty much an attempt to create brand synergy with the Raimi films.

[@solidspider6509]

@@DigiTensei I know. It’s still interesting on that’s how they decided to do it tho

[@firestriker3580]

@@DigiTenseiWrong

[@firestriker3580]

That’s all false and organic webbing has never been in the comics dude. People DO think Peter has organic webbing.

[@sabilsadat]

15:26 "Spider-Man doesn't kill anyone on purpose" A few minutes earlier: "Yeah he tried to kill the symbiote a bunch of times" A few minutes later: "He doesn't have a no kill rule though that's different" So which one is it? lmao

[@GrimmtokiAMV]

The symbiote isn't a person though

[@sabilsadat]

@GrimmtokiAMV symbiotes are a race of sentient beings with distinguishable personalities. By definition they are "people".

[@chewymew]

​@@sabilsadatBut at the time, he thought the Symbiote was just sentient slime. It's still not a person though

[@acecashman1237]

the Symbiote not actually enhancing Spider-Man's strength thing can make sense even today, Superior Spider-Man revealed that Spidey intentionally holds back as to not kill his enemies. You can then retcon the symbiote as not enhancing Peter's strength, but instead it made him care less about using more of his strength capacity to hurt people, which would add to his inhibitions being lowered by the suit.

[@Sappers4ward]

Well the great power is talking about his brain in most things that is what he talks about in most iterations

[@giogio6086]

Hey, I'm actually reading the comics for the first time and just finished the alien suit saga and the alien suit didn't actually fight crime it legit just swung around the city for fun. In one of the spectacular spider-man annuals it swing right past a burglar crew and freaks them out but doesnt even care about them. Then i saw til the end of the video and there was a new story about the suit killing someone when peter was asleep? L retcon

[@Mr5ickness]

I can agree to this. The reason why is since the '94 cartoon, that adaption of the symbiote has been burned into people's brain as how the symbiote acts and such with Peter when that was never the case at all. What you described is something that happened in the original comics but no one in the modern day will adapt it which is so sad. I'm tired of seeing the same concept since the '94 cartoon. Do something from the original comics with the symbiote.

[@Thaumiel98]

Originally the symbiote was just a black suit with regenerating powers and organic webs.

[@yurislug]

There's a pretty good story called "Ties that Bind" that adds some depth to the Symbiote suit. It does show that the Symbiote was trying to help by fighting crime while Peter was asleep, but after it notices that was causing more problems than helping, it decides to stop. Unfortunately Peter takes it off the very next day. I think the story you mentioned is the new "Black Suit and Blood" which is a terrible attempt at "adaptation synergy".

[@ath477]

15:49 kingpin didnt kill may and peter said if she died to the bullet he'd kill kingpin

[@arandomkaz]

it wasn't far from it tho. She was shot and in a coma because of him, considering Aunt may is even older at the time its highly likely she will die, but yea technically she was not dead.

[@BrickBuffet]

i thought she died and that’s why *one more day* happened?

[@RealSlendyBoi]

I was just getting ready to comment this. Peter beat Kingpin within an inch of his life in front of the entire prison, PICKED HIM UP BY THE LITERAL SKIN OF HIS CHEST, and said effectively "if she doesn't make it, I'll be back." And anyone with any level of sense in their head knows that that means he's intending to kill Kingpin if she doesn't make it.

[@simonsweeney4804]

2:02 Spider-Man forgets the hyphen in his own name.

[@TheAzulmagia]

Well, he was coming up with the name at that point. He must've thought up the hyphen later.

[@CloneCommanderQutibahAlFarouqi]

Before bad writers (Joe Quesada, Dan Slott, Zeb Wells & Nick Lowe)

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I think Dan Slott’s run was good, mostly. Please don’t kill me.

[@piotrjasinski2130]

Before the Dark Times. - sorry, had to do it.

[@TheFunnyGuyIThink]

6:51 I interpret it as this: Uncle Ben wants to tell him that he has gifts, and he has to use them for good. Not just spider powers but also his intelligence and compassion. For example, being a teacher and helping students like in the J. M. S. run of ASM. I think this more in line with the TASM films and is executed better than the Sam Rami movies, which I’ll admit, does kinda come out of know where. 10:13 Even tho the symbiote doesn’t affect Spider-Man’s powers in the comics, I personally prefer stories where the suit affects his powers and mind, as it gives him in incentive to keep the suit and gives him a better reason to ditch the suit when realizes the error of his ways. I also heard that the black suit ark is a metaphor for substance abuse, but I’m not educated on that so… I think people shouldn’t just stick to the comics with no change what so ever. I think adaptations should do their own thing and while sticking to the core aspects of the story. Comics should be a basis, not the gold standard that when tampered with messes the whole thing up and you ruined Spider-Man as we know it. But those are just my thoughts and opinions, so who cares :P.

[@timothykehler7676]

There is a video of Stan Lee describing Peter as a conventionally unattractive scrawny nerd. Just to bring the point across that even a nobody can be the hero. The illustrators just had their way with it

[@silvertongue.242_99]

I didn't know the black suit didn't give him advance strength and speed. Just unlimited webs i knew that but wow. Make sense though plus pockets and easy change

[@OutOfIdeas9977]

15:27 In 1970, specifically, in Amazing Spider Man #90, he had this fight with DO, and he put this fluid inside his tentacles which caused those metallic things to go crazy, those tentacles crashed a huge chimney, a kid stood in the way of it, Captain Stacy made that boy out of the way, which caused Captain Stacy’s death. ALL of that, was caused by Spider-Man. Not to mention, that in Amazing Spider-Man issue 121, Peter spun a web which according to Roy Thomas, (editor of Marvel Comics at the time) stated that singular web that Peter spun killed Gwen. Yes, both of those deaths were by accident, but, Peter still caused them.

[@kaijionline]

I feel like Uncle Ben saying the quote makes sense because Peter’s knowledge is powerful.

[@sebastiancoe4708]

The black suit DID amplify Spidey's power, because that's what the symbiote does: it enhances the host's best qualities. The symbiote made Eddie extremely strong because he was already a world class heavy lifter, a freakishly strong ordinary man who had his best attribute boosted by the symbiote.

[@ExoticZah]

A lot of these changes were for the better and made for better stories. Like the black suit changing his personality and making him stronger.

[@DanialDEcool]

9:28 It is NOT like a parasite. A parasite doesn’t benefit and takes for itself. A parasite is negative. A symbiote is in the name. symbiosis. It basically becomes an organ. Also Parker wasn’t rude for getting rid of the suit. It had every ability to tell Peter that it had the best of intentions. He was afraid that he was gonna have to experience fatigue if he didn’t get it off.

[@TheShankPimp]

I think the word you're looking for is "misnomer" not "misnomenclature"

[@donovanzanz]

That's not even the word. He means "misconception." Misnomer refers only to things that are named incorrectly.

[@BenM6]

I doubt peter would be a villain, he was sobbing when his classmates rejected him pre bite. Edit: no offense, the hyphen matters all of nothing lmao. A lot of other languages don't have it, no meaning is lost without it.

[@firestriker3580]

Wrong

[@TylerTheFabricator]

wrong

[@BenM6]

Genuine question, why do you guys think its essential? I don't get it. Is it something subtle that i dont get ? something that is explained in further issues ?

[@worthybutter2004]

Yes, but he also said something along the lines of "One day, i'll teach them how to laugh at me!" And later on, he's shown to be a little selfish after getting his new powers, saying to himself "My aunt and uncle are so nice to me, but the rest of the world can go hang for all i care."

[@BenM6]

@@worthybutter2004 again, he said that while basically crying because he was rejected and bullied that day. Every person who has been bullied or rejected and left to feel alone , and specially to the point where they cry, has probably thinked/saidd those things at one time because they were angry/sad. That doesn't necessarily mean they were gonna become supervillains. About the other phrase. Well yeah lmao. Anyone who only feels safe with his parents and is made to feel like he shouldn't exist/doesn't fit in and is bullied constantly would not care about anything other then their own wellfare and the wellfare of their families. That doesn't mean he is actively going to try and destroy the people around him, just that he won't save them

[@StressedRuby]

this is great i thought the organic webs were a little weird when i was a kid but when i got older and actually read his comics and it was awesome to know he wore webshooters cause i wanted to make some

[@acecashman1237]

I used to own the Spider-Man web shooter toy that came out during the Raimi trilogy. Shit was awesome

[@chiefcoiler]

Spider-man has killed way more than just 2 people. He killed the Finisher by leading his own guided missiles to blow up his car. He killed two latverian terrorists unknowingly by redirecting a missile with a webline. He fully intended to kill a guy called tracer and did, but he turned out to be a robot. He used a villain called Whisper as a human shield against a laser blast. He killed 3 times in marvel team-ups, but those don't really count. He straight up stabbed Morlun to death with his stingers at the beginning of the Other arc.

[@turtleanton6539]

Wow. But F morlun. Also greengoblin

[@BtownSpidey]

The hyphen is the only time I will be the grammar police, lol.

[@Jaredragon]

uncle Ben told him with great power in the 90's animated series

[@Chrisezo]

I agree with most of the things you said, and all of those misunderstandings about the character, are unfortunately due to the inconsistencies between writers, and how the different reimaginings of the character has handled things, and its one of the reasons why a lot of people prefer Manga and Manwha over Comics, as those forms of media usually have the same writer and artist in its complete run, but that’s not necessarily the same for Marvel and DC, and that’s why they have gotten away with a lot of wacky and crazy stuff, and fun fact the reason why Superman can fly and do a bunch of crazy things, was because of the mistakes that an artist did, where he drew Superman flying and stuff, as when he referenced the past comics he didn’t read them, he just saw the pictures and didn’t realize that Superman was just leaping tall buildings and stuff, and since the artist basically drew Superman flying, the writer just decided to go along with it, and for Spider-Man similar stuff has happened to him too. My favorite version of Spider-Man thus far though, definitely has to be the PS4 version, because he paid homage to many of the past versions of the character, and not only that but I like the fact that he’s experienced, as it got pretty old how the weakness that they gave him for most shows and even the MCU, was that he was an inexperienced kid, and that because of it he couldn’t handle a lot of things, when the character at least in the comics has usually shown that he adapts quickly, and is pretty spontaneous since he comes up with all sorts of plans and stuff, in the moment as he’s executing them, which is why people like Green Goblin have a hard time dealing with him, since they can’t predict against his unpredictability, and the fact that Spider-Man is actually able to make gadgets and stuff out of scraps and junk, is actually a very strong point for him, because he pretty much makes use of anything he has access to, and going back to the PS4 version of the character, I also liked the fact that he took a mentorship role for Miles, and that the 3D model that they made for him was very distinguishable, unlike what they did with the dumb PS5 remaster and PC version, where they really did make him look like a more average pretty boy. I’ve played both the original PS4 version, the Remaster and the Miles Morales PS5 game, and I’ve liked the games and story somewhat, I just hope that the Spider-Man 2 game hasn’t ruined things, because I haven’t heard that many good things about it, and I am still waiting for the PC version, as I am not making the same mistake that I did with the other games, where I played the PS4 version through PlayStation Now, then bought a PS5 to play both the Miles Morales game and the first game Remaster, since I thought they would remain PlayStation exclusives, and then a few months later after I had bought the very expensive PS5 and the games on it, they just come out and release the games on PC which frustrated the hell out of me, since its obvious that the PC version would have always been the superior version, because of the access to Mods and better system performance tweaks, so I basically bought the games twice…

[@skersein]

you’re 12 years late.

[@kmmahmud7177]

😅

[@Roxson_]

Why?

[@ComicNerdEDITZ654]

?

[@scottcockton]

I think this video reminded me of something. Sometimes not being accurate to the source material is good as long as it stays true to the mythos or makes the story better most of the things on here such as the organic webs uncle Ben and the black suit were great things that became standard. Plus i think that comic issue that you covered in a short balanced the idea that both venom and Peter were the victims and aggressors with venom killing people unintentionally and thinking it’s doing the right thing and Peter Miss understanding the situation and casting it out. Any great thing is making Peter not a jerk personally I think Andrew was the best Peter when it came to being picked on he was getting his ass beat but unlike Tom and tobey he actually stood up for himself

[@firestriker3580]

It isn’t good. It doesn’t make the story better and they shouldn’t become standard. No, none of that is great. Why shouldn’t Peter be a jerk and then grow out of it? That’s character development

[@firestriker3580]

He shouldn’t get his ass beat dude

[@JNAB0212]

⁠@@firestriker3580 what is with you? You keep on commenting on other people’s comments saying that their wrong. Also there’s nothing wrong with Peter not being a jerk pre-powers, he’s allowed to be nice and it’s not like he never becomes a jerk later. It’s fine if Peter is a nice kid who gets powers and becomes a bit of a jerk due to how strong he is then before he would probably end up a villain, is punished for his attitude and goes back to how he was. There’s still character development and it goes both ways, at first it’s negative then he gets better, more fun for the audience to see him start down a dark path and get pulled out of it in a horrible way, plus you get to see power being corrupting, which can lead to story telling opportunity if you have a villain mirror that but they don’t have an uncle Ben, so they do end up a villain. On your second comment to this guy, you say that the nerdy weak kid shouldn’t be beaten up by his bullies and I have to question why you think that? Like this is standard Highschool fiction stuff, this is normal and I can’t understand why you take issue with this. Peter being a jerk at the start even before he gets powers isn’t bad, but neither is him not being a jerk, both are fine and there’s no real reason to hate the latter, especially because the majority of retellings go that route, all your doing is being a jerk and looking like an old man stuck in old ways, refusing to accept change, nobody’s going to like you and I highly doubt anyone’s going to agree with you.

[@matthewtartt9422]

I want Peter to be a jerk sometimes. I can’t relate to these soft boy types at all.

[@matthewtartt9422]

@@JNAB0212That’s stupid, safe and boring.

[@ImGoat1995]

Spider-Man has been told he's unworthy to wield Mjolner because of his unwillingness to kill

[@aceknowledgable9403]

Spider-Man holds a special place in my heart since I've been a fan of him longer than I've been a fan of Superman, Naruto, and so many others.

[@vaderhater2005]

Actually, the organic web was originally from James Cameron’s script treatment. Sam Rami used it for the first movie but originally they were going to do mechanical webshooters (the trailer from E3 2001 shows footage and had them on display)

[@travit666]

2:06 most people casual fans and die-hard fans alike know that Spider-Man doesn't have organic webs considering the only Spider-Man movie to depict him with organic webs was the Sam raimy trilogy both Andrew Garfield movies had him with mechanical web shooters All the MCU movies with Spider-Man mechanical web shooters all the animated depictions of Spider-Man from the 90s version cartoon as well as spectacular and ultimate all have mechanical web shooters so saying most people think that he has organic webs is just straight false

[@spidermania]

@@travit666 it’s actually not. I wish it were but it truly isn’t. Most people who are Spider-Man fans haven’t seen any media they just know of the character and by name they think he shoots his own webbing. The Raimi movie had a massive hand in popularizing Spider-Man to a wider audience and it is also considered by majority of the fandom to be the best Spider-Man trilogy. Which is why so many people who’ve seen it just think that’s how it works in comics. Most people certainly think Spider-Man shoots his own webs. I bet if you asked your mom or dad they’d think he does. It just makes sense even if it’s wrong

[@travit666]

@spidermania no no they really don't Go on the street and ask anyone to Spider-Man shoes on webs and they'll know he doesn't

[@spidermania]

@ 99% sure in this video talk about how I brought this up to a group of my friends and they all were floored by the fact that Spider-Man doesn’t shoot his own webbing. And these are people I’ve known for well over 20 years. I’m a massive Spider-Man fan and my best friends didn’t even know that. Casual fans aren’t going to know it. I would literally make a video asking random people on the street this just to prove a point lol

[@zohebrafi]

@@spidermaniaDepends on who you’re asking. Many mid-late 2000s and early 2010s kids would be aware that he primarily has web shooters, largely thanks to the TASM movies, MCU movies and even the Insomniac games helped double down on that.

[@travit666]

@@spidermania every depiction of Spider-Man and media other than the Sam raimy trilogy features him with web shooters all the popular animated shows that people that aren't even fans of the comics have seen all depict him with web shooters You're not winning this argument maybe 20 years ago you would have had a leg to stand on in this but not now not in the modern day

[@BSENKevin]

5:40 it would make more sense if you combined it with the quote "knowledge is power". Peter is a genius full of knowledge and therefore power.

[@shelbybayer200]

My Thought for the Black Suit Symbiote it LOVES Peter Parker. That's why the Spider Emblem on Venom is a thing. I also have the Thought of the Symbiote SHOULD be written to not know how to Hold back When fighting. Like the Suit would not understand that Peter holds his punches. So, the Symbiote starts giving him a Changed Reputation because Criminals and Villains suddenly are dying in the fights

[@Crazy_Caleb2009]

Another misconception is that Gwen was actually the first love interest, not MJ.

[@kmmahmud7177]

If I remember correctly it was some girl with a bird on top of head can't remember her name at the moment.

[@Celtic1020]

He does meet Gwen before MJ, but there was definitely a weird love triangle going on. But I think he met Betty Brant first. Does anyone remember?

[@justinarzola4584]

Liz was Peter's first crush and Betty was his first relationship.

[@srstriker6420]

Yes and of course about the villains that they were never close to him and that they were just a bunch of other guys who got powers and remember in the Kindred saga that Norman was never Peter’s father figure and was never really friends with Harry at all

[@EllaFeiler-z8k]

And MJ was at the beginning of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN COMICS actually a selfish and superficial personality bevore Gwen died in the 120 issue: "the death of Gwen Stacy!" She wasn't even really mature back than and only thinks of Partys and to becoume an actres/model and wasn't happy when thinks don't came to the way she wanted like to becomme the center of attention when something happened.

[@FinleysBFG-9000]

Wait one questions 10:22 would the Symbiote just make spider-man not hold back? also does the Symbiote use Peter’s negative thoughts ? Because I always thought the Symbiote would use Peters’s negative thoughts to make him more angry

[@Mr5ickness]

What your talking about is a concept that was made for the '94 cartoon. Before that, the symbiote had NEVER made peter aggressive like it does in the games, movies, etc. All it did was swing around the city while Peter slept and maybe fought crime here or there. When Peter was noticing his mind is rested but his body wasn't that's when he found out it was a alien from the Fantastic 4 and got it off him.

[@FinleysBFG-9000]

@ oh ok thank you

[@Omegasutoraiki]

I write Spider-Man with the hyphen so religiously that I even do it when mid game in Marvel Rivals. Even though it wastes a tiny amount of time to do so.

[@Einsteinmusic]

I had this idea one night about a comic where spider-man kills. Essentially a grown Peter starts a family with MJ she’s pregnant with they’re child but after Peter collapses kingpin’s empire through his work with the bugle and as spider-man kingpin recruits the S6 to take down the spider. They end up killing MJ and thinking they killed Peter and throw him in the ocean. Peters not dead and dawns the name the widower, decides tonight’s the night they pay and hunts down the S6 finding out Fisk was behind the murder of his family putting an end to Fisk for good.

[@acecashman1237]

to add one, lots of Spider-Man fans don't know that he got his black suit while in the Negative Zone because he needed a replacement costume for his damaged one, it didn't just suddenly take over his body one night after crashing onto planet Earth and sneaking its way onto his body while he had his guard down.

[@Thaumiel98]

Yes and the black suit didn't make him angry or stronger. It was just a suit.

[@travit666]

Wasn't it battleworld during the first secret wars and not the negative zone?

[@MisterTorgo]

​@@travit666 Correct. He chose a machine that he thought would just create a new suit, but chose the wrong one and the balled-up symbiote popped out.

[@Logan-yt1lj]

7:43 “I missed the part where that’s my problem”

[@Jeicemeiser]

The reason why people think Spider-man is supposed to be unfunny is probably because there are multiple people in-universe who think he’s annoying and talks too much, and actually there aren’t many people in-universe who laugh at his jokes. Now that I think about it, comics and movies and stuff rarely show other characters laughing at the hilarious jokes the characters say. Also, people may think Pete’s not funny because a lot of writers aren’t that funny so they give him really corny lines that sound like someone desperately TRYING to be funny

[@arandomkaz]

21:53 i remember i think it was in Shattered Dimensions when he said "don't forget the hyphen between Spider and Man"

[@ASTER-n8o]

it was in spider-man ps4 when he fights fisk

[@tatsukinomiya]

Damn 😂 was hoping you'd include my favorite Spiderman joke, "You know what we call that? We call that a WEB SLINGING ASS KICKING!" It's such a New Yorker line

[@JohnSydney225]

Funny enough as a kid, I knew about the web shooters and the organic webbing but, for some reason, treated them as if they were the same thing even though that didn't make any sense because organic webbing wouldn't run out compared to web shooters but younger me never realized that for a long time.

[@lazyfish7675]

13:30 I feel like it's just the comic book classic of things always have to go wrong again for more story to happen but because Spider-Man is such a widely loved and known hero he gets more attention and therefore also more tragedies and you're more likely to actually hear about them as opposed to the 20 million things that have happened to Doctor strange or Captain America that no one's heard about

[@DarthTingleBinks]

My favorite line of dialogue ever spoken by Peter Parker is in the first Ultimate Alliance game, in the Santum Santorum. You're talking to him about something, and the player character starts the classic line about great power, but Spider-Man cuts us off and says, "If you finish that sentence, I'll put so much web in your hair, you'll have to shave your head!" It's not especially profound, but I died of laughter when I heard it for the first time and just kept going back to that dialogue option to keep hearing it. I want Spider-Man in movies and shows to be that funny.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

The current run of Spider-Man is just Marvel trying to make him a batchelor in the main universe. I should be mad considering One More Day never got resolved during Nick Spencer’s run, but I honestly think that considering we have Renew Your Vows & the New Ultimate Spider-Man comics, Peter Parker (The OG. The Amazing Spider-Man) not being married isn’t a problem when there’s universes where he is married, to Mary Jane.

[@dukeboredom]

I actually knew all of this even without watching any of the shows or reading the comics so it’s pretty cool to see that just from watching the movies that I got a good grasp on Spider-Man

[@seekinpeekin]

5:54 I like Amazing Spiderman's adaptation of the uncle ben "With Great power comes great responsibility" because he's talking about peter's intelligence and what he can do with that gift And yes, I'm not putting a hyphen in spiderman.

[@leshiy_nd]

It's so funny (even a bit sad already) how everyone nowadays yell things like: "If you don't follow canon, you don't respect the original work!" - it's not towards the video (it's a good one), but just in general

[@kyuremthefrozen8539]

With out ben peter parker wouldn't be spider-man

[@The-SpectacularSpider-Man]

In another comic Uncle Ben says with great power there must also come great responsibility.

[@cjsdizzy]

I grew up with the 90s spiderman animated series, sam Rami movies, all that. And I never knew his reasoning for the organic webs, but I always thought it was cooler than the original web shooters. But hearing the reason he did it makes a lot of sense for what's supposed to be a more realistic movie.

[@user-ky8je2qj3z]

He did briefly make webs from his body in the comics... during that time he had big spikes that came out from his arms..

[@cass8421]

Tbh, Parker luck is more about never getting to permanently find peace. His successes are necessary so he can fail and lose something later. So many of his major character moments are the death of a character are failings. If he didn’t succeed, it'd just be kicking him while he's down.

[@PurpleSnake]

Question: Did the OG symbiote not even add extra healing and endurance?

[@connorholt2979]

Peter in early Amazing Spider-man is almost always in need of money. In Issue 2 he makes enough money to pay May's rent for 1 year, however this was early in Highschool, and throughout the early run Aunt May is constantly broke and in a lot of medical debt. It wasnt that Peter individually was broke, it was that he was trying to find ways to make money to support the family. Most typically this was selling photos to JJJ, but he couldnt always get good photos and he didnt frequently get a lot of cash out of the photos as JJJ was pretty bipolar about what photos of spiderman he actually wanted.

[@robbiesrevelations3096]

7:43 well to be fair, Spiderman didn't exactly care either until Ben died. He didn't even stop the robber, which killed Uncle Ben

[@SethMoses-md7uw]

I paused the video at 4:45 and look what that action sound word says. I have only heard of that word from someone else, and it has a very different meaning than what's on the screen right now, so I have to wonder what that word is supposed to originally sound like before it was used to mean something else.

[@Randoman-dt9cq]

i actually like more the organic webs than the web shooters. it makes more sense for me that the spider web comes from spider powers than because he's smart and he reads chimestry books he can make spider webs that nobody else can do and if it can make it more people it's even worse because there should have been more spider-men everywhere (i don't mean the spider verse or the message that everyone can be spider-man)

[@thegreatscribbles960]

i remember seeing someone talk about the bias around how batman gets criticize for not killing villains but spider-man doesnt and someone wrongfully said spider-man kills sometimes even then ik that was wrong

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah and that he cover up a villain’s crime like the Osborns and the Lizard unlike Andrew Garfield Spider-Man

[@spidermania]

@@srstriker6420 to be fair Curt Connors in TASM is way different than in 616

[@Thenewbagman]

1. Spiderman used to shoot organic webs for a while in the comics for a whole editorial year. From 2006's "The other" till 2007's "One more day". Also...during the simbiote era after Secret Wars. 2. With great power comes great responsability appeared for the first time on 1962's Amazing fantasy 15. 3.Black suit enhances all his natural talents. Stronger, faster, better regeneration, stronger organic webs and also added camouflage and shapesifting skills. The symbiot also started to took Peter's body out to fight crime into a more agressive way while Peter was sleeping. 4. Sadly, editors ussually gives the worst to Spiderman to keep him strugglin through his personal life because they thing this is the key, and kinda is. But sometimes too much is just too much. Honestly, everytime he hits big times is only gettin ready for a bigger fall when he is at his best. But he always keeps fighting for what he believes is right, and thats kinda the engine of the character. He struggles and makes mistakes, but never surrender. 5. Spiderman is funny for us, the readers. But he is ussually perceived as annoying by other characters because he have a really dumb/nerdy sense of humor most of the times. I avoided writing Spider-Man this way for the whole comment. After watching this video i decided you dont deserve any hyphen separating the spider from the man, but holy Stan Lee knows that you gotta keep em separated.

[@Hooliganken17]

18:06 I thought the notion was always he’s willing to kill if must but rather not kill if there’s other ways

[@theemeraldarcher2897]

Yeah, a lot of the original concepts of Spider-Man suck.

[@travesty-studios]

19:30 .......not me trying to get my phone to flip orientation....

[@VV-ho8dg]

What is this dude talking about? Most of the things mentioned aren't even misconceptions, they're stuff that flat out happened in the Spider-man comics and multiple other adaptations. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not a thing.

[@spitymatt5277]

17:17 don’t forget amazing fantasy 15, he kills uncle Bens murderer

[@mayotango1317]

I think that trend of making Spider-Man unfunny started with Ultimate Spider-Man show and then Marvel's Spider-Man show. Proof that modern writers don't read comics for inspiration.

[@venomrider8052]

I could've sworn as a kid that Tobey spiderman had we shooters he made because of the spectacular spiderman show I watched as a kid. Then I rewatched later and realized I was wrong on that version have home made webshooters

[@zohebrafi]

Funnily enough, there are deleted scenes of Tobey Maguire using web-shooters. The movie almost had them, as there was a physical functional prop. In fact, there is one or two scenes in the movie where his web shooter is either edited out or they had a different take of the same scene without Peter using the web shooter

[@venomrider8052]

@zohebrafi hmmm maybe I saw those scenes randomly as a kid and pieced it together in my mind

[@91722854]

but at least he still gets the chance to fight back, to protect, to build, whence in life, many don't

[@TylerTheFabricator]

dude im actually learning things from you this is awesome!

[@aquagirl555]

for me, so i remmember to add the hyphin, i like to imagine Spider-Man's full title is 'The Human Spider' and the hyphin is because the 'Hu' in human has been cut off because Spider-Man flows off the young better, i could easily imagine spider-man making a joke about that

[@NadeemMufti]

Now this video... this is truly amazing.

[@HirstMovies]

In the Mcu nobody bullied Peter 😂 it was more like name calling . Everyone in THAT school is a NERD 😂 so they’re all friends with him except random extras that have no impact . Flash doesn’t get bullied back either Tom’s just takes the insult and brushes it off. Homecoming he looks like he takes offense to flash’s name calling but in ffh and NWH he genuinely didn’t give a fuck

[@Sadgelizor]

That’s because no one bullies nowadays and nowadays when you hate someone you just name calling em

[@HirstMovies]

@ yeah exactly that’s true but Peter doesn’t even fire back with any comments he just takes it

[@chewymew]

MCU Peter isn't even a nerd, he's just an awkward loser

[@HirstMovies]

@ yea

[@HirstMovies]

@@chewymew he’s the modern day nerd . He’s a pop culture referencing nerd

[@jbeezie2049]

I think the Spider-Man producing web inside his body is an improvement over the web fluid in the comics. It brings you closer to his character by adding an element of body horror. It also just makes more sense to me as he was bitten by a spider so he should have all the inherent abilities of a spider. It just doesn’t feel right that he has all the abilities of a spider except producing web and has to invent that to go with his other spider abilities. Like what’s to stop any other smart character from inventing web fluid and swinging around besides his inherent strength allowing him to swing. Him producing the web from his body adds a uniqueness factor to the power he gained from the spider bite like you could only truly be like Spider-Man if you were bitten by the same spider.

[@blametheghost]

i think it kinda makes sense that with the black suit on, Peter would stop holding back so much to the point that its giving people the illusion of it making him stronger, faster and what not, im not saying that it made him stronger, just that it influenced Peter enough to not hold back a lot i do like the attribute from the 90s cartoon that it made him more aggressive tho, but the thing giving Peter more strength not so much also yall need to stop using "Venom symbiote" or "Venom suit" or something with Venom in it, Eddy was the one who came up with the name, it aint literally the symbiotes name... well i mean i guess it is his earth name, but you know what i mean

[@docplays6508]

He killed MJ that one time… but we don’t talk about that comic

[@fobo3361]

Funny how the tobey movies used the drama stan lee set up of running out of webs better then the movies that had artificial web, andrew and tom basically have infinite web, but tobey has a whole arc of losing his powers due to emotional turmoil Either way alotta these seem like meaningless semantics, like its cool to know, but not exactly "wrong", if it fits the story, i dont see the problem with getting these things "wrong", kinda just feels like a list of ways you prefer having spiderman to be, backed up by the original canon, but non of these are really hard rules about spiderman thar define his character

[@Hadeks_Marow]

The biggest thing people get wrong is thinking that Peter Parker is a good person. If you read the comics, that's not how he started. He was an arse. He was a jerk who saw the consequences of making the wrong choices and thus forced himself to make the right choice later on. He's not some noble saint. He is either a jerk learning how to be a good person or is a jerk who learned how to become a good person. Great responsibility did not come right away, nor even within his first four years. He struggled to figure out what that truely meant, the weight of it all. His default is still negative, but he constantly fights against that. Compare that to Steve Rogers, his default is naturally good. This is WHY peter looks up to him. Let me put it to you spidy fans like this: Imagine Flash Thompson, imagine all the negative aspects to his personality. Now imagine flash still has those habits, is still a jerk, but now has a father that he has to make proud, to do right by someone else by being something other than the flash thompas bully that we all know and love. . . thats peter parker. It's also why the 2 become such good friends later on in life.

[@GoeTeeks]

No mention of how Harry and Peter were not originally childhood best friends, and didn't even really become friends until college? Also, I'm pretty sure that, while not natural, the knowledge and instinct to make web-fluid is a part of his powers. That's largely why no one else has been able to come up with it or re-create it. Though one thing that's seldom brought up is that his webbing is designed to dissolve on its own after an hour or so. This way the city isn't filled with webbing AND no one can get hold of it and analyze its structure. Does kind of seem sketchy to leave people webbed up in high places, though.

[@hunterj10]

I think the normal depiction of web shooting should be, he gets bit by the spider, he can shoot webs, but he needs to make web shooters in order for them to come out correctly. Just so we can still create stories of him not fixing or charging his web shooters.