What the hell is going on with Intel?

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[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Some good news. There have already been BIOS updates released! www.msi.com/news/detail/BIOS-Update-For-Intel-Core-14th-and-13th-Gen-Desktop-Processor-Instability-144258 videocardz.com/newz/asus-first-to-release-z790-bios-with-microcode-update-for-raptor-lake-instability-issue

[@c-v-n3322]

I have 13700K with a MSI MAG B760 TOMAHAWK WIFI mother board I don't see my board on the MSI list, I haven't had any issues with anything.

[@Anthony-fd8mh]

Sadly they have only release it for certain MB's not sure why that is. I just checked again and I see nothing for the MSI Z790 MEG ACE. Last Bios was in May and it says it is a Beta version. I'm currently using the last non Beta version from before that. I'm hoping they will release the update to all the intel MB's soon.

[@CasualGamerPlays]

Do you think they'll release a BIOS update for the Z-690 boards? I did update my BIOS recently, i have a z-690 board but, i'm wondering if they'll do another BIOS update. Thanks for the report.

[@Blossom12-kh2bb]

Is 13100F affected?

[@Blossom12-kh2bb]

​@c-v-n3322 not all 13th gen affected

[@danielwagner6290]

Couldn't have happened to a better cutthroat company than Intel.

[@s1nb4d59]

Ive backed AMD since the early 2000's when intel dominated the market,i just cant understand why AMD isnt more popular and why we dont see as many streamer builds as we do Intel.

[@djlim4612]

yeah, sad isn't it. some streamers are obviously fanbois

[@vMaxHeadroom]

err, could be becouse they are just as bad...I mean lying about performance on the 9000 series when they did not have to.. Also remeber when the early Ryzens would not even hit the boost clocks they were suppossed... I think people forget these company are far more focussed on the shareholders then they ever were for you the consumer and somehow yu think they are your friends...odd that.

[@coolmendotdot2]

correct me if i'm wrong, but amd's stockprice is about 6 times that of intel's.

[@tango_gru]

@@coolmendotdot2 it’s 7 times now

[@YAAMW]

To be clear, Any Intel CPU that's still in its box has a better chance of surviving than those that have been running for some time. If you have a new CPU, just apply the latest updates and limit its power at the board level to make sure it doesn't kill itself.

[@MrEL91N]

The oxidation problem is a manufacturing issue though so wouldn’t it still be a risk? the update wouldn’t fix that. I wanted to pickup a 13700K but not if there is a significant chance it might break on me.

[@icecold3426]

@@MrEL91N I have ordered 14600k im still not sure should i take it back

[@terreos87]

@@icecold3426 All 13th and 14th gen cpu's might be affected. You're better off sending it back until we know for sure how severe it is.

[@icecold3426]

@@terreos87 I have reaserched about this for days now.. it seems like the worst thing is too high voltage and thats why the stronger i9 and i7 are affected the worst i didnt find any info of degradation of i5 processors.. they run the smallest voltage and clock. people say microcode fixed the problems for limiting voltage. there is also that problem with bending the cpu but you can fix that with the contact frame. i found something with oxidation but that is allegedly only in 13 gen not 14.

[@aboodedaboss]

Same so what to do im considering amd but i need more cores for amd 7​@MrEL91N

[@JonathanBradysouth-africa]

I own a 13700K built in a 7000D case based on your video...crashed multiple times trying to edit and render an hour long video of an onstage talk with motion graphics. I'm so miffed right now.

[@iLegionaire3755]

I have the same case I replaced the CPU with a 7800X3-D, such an upgrade over the Intel Core i9 14900K.

[@greenkidd529]

When it crashes whay do it do for you? Mine just freezes, ive seen others go to blue screen

[@JonathanBradysouth-africa]

@@greenkidd529 Mine just hard reboots while rendering.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Could be multiple reasons for the instability. Update your bios to the latest microcode 129, then go into your bioss and go for a fixed vcore at 1.325v or less and you should no longer have any problems. Motherboards have been ppushing a tad too much vcore at auto...Oh and temps will be better as well as not losing any performance.

[@JonathanBradysouth-africa]

@@vMaxHeadroom Already updated to 125, will do 129 when I get to the office on Monday.

[@77cats-2]

I have been using only Intel since the Athlon days but I think I'll be back to AMD. Not only because of the recent troubles with the Intel CPU but also because the Ryzen do so well with little power nowadays, it's a strong appeal.

[@tango_gru]

@@77cats-2 Athlon was a long time ago. You have missed out on many good processors.

[@JanFarang]

The problems with the high-end 13-14 gen been there for a long time.... Crazy consumption of wattages, overheating, crashes. And no good solutions. To make things worse, they knew about it! And kept on selling!. In a lot of cases with problems and damage they blamed the consumer, and no recall. And now Intel is in bad weather, in a few day's they dropped 30% on the market, so 15.000 employers will be fired.... I always preferred Intel above AMD, so there I was a month ago, wanting to build a new gaming pc. I had to make a decision. So i made the switch to AMD, studied it a bit and learned that the fasted gaming chip is not from Intel but from AMD, that took me over the line to go to AMD.... And what a wise decision it was. I went for the rijzen 7 7800x3d which is the chip I ment. Because of that 3d cache it has that title. The build went great, and that chip is amazing! ......I hope Intel wil get out of their problems because it's not only bad for Intel but it's bad for the whole industrie, development, everybody. But quit frankly the damage is done, it will set back Intel financially and as a developer.

[@iLegionaire3755]

AMD is the new dominant CPU manufacturer alongside Apple Silicon naturally, and so will Nvidia crush Intel like an ant when they enter the fray. Intel is paleolithic in comparison at this point.

[@PerchEagle]

I bought the 13700k, shall I return it and get the 12700k ?

[@JanFarang]

@@PerchEagle I can't give you an answer mate, I made the switch to AMD's 7800x3d.

[@PerchEagle]

@@JanFarang Yep, I asked in the overclockers forum and they said there's a bios fix but I'm still worry. I really don't want to bump into gaming issues out of the box.

[@JanFarang]

@@PerchEagle well that bios fix, is not a solution, gives problems also... Do you have bought a motherboard already? if not, I would switch to AMD

[@danielwagner6290]

No, it's just bad to be an Intel cpu gamer, enthusiast right now.

[@iLegionaire3755]

It’s just bad to be an Intel enthusiast in 2024. I was such an Intel enthusiast. I sold my Ryzen 7950X and a Gigabyte motherboard just for Intel. That was a huge mistake, but thankfully I corrected the mistake eventually. Back on AMD, life is great.

[@djlim4612]

exactly.

[@StroggKingu]

@@iLegionaire3755 And why did you sell that Ryzen set in the first place?

[@richardkeller5703]

@@iLegionaire3755 Selling a Z790 Board \RAM\ i9-13900k i imagine to be nothing but a challenge now. If i could turn back time really wishing i too had gone with the Ryzen 7950X but i always thought Intel was the one to stick with. Moral of the story? Being a computer enthusiast in 2024 is nothing but a risk.

[@astir0412]

Relationship with Intel ? Give me a break!

[@wetw0rk14180]

I am on my second i9 13900K in seven months. First was incredibly unstable. Lots of crashes and BSoD after six months light usage. I was sure it was the motherboard (MSI Z690-A Pro), but I have no spare parts to troubleshoot so I sent the machine away for repair. The repair bloke said it was the CPU. I thought it was BS, but the machine was working with a new one in it so I just got on with it. Fast forward another six months and I started getting instability issues again. Several crashes every day for maybe six weeks while playing games. I then saw that my issues were maybe down to degradation of the CPU, so I have arranged a replacement via RMA and it will be here next week. I still have the faulty CPU in my PC, but in prep for the new one I updated my BIOS and I am now in my fourth day with ZERO crashes. It is my understanding that if your CPU was fine, but now isn't, it has degraded and needs replacing, whether a BIOS update makes it stable or not. FYI for those updating BIOS: When I updated my BIOS it reset my boot drive order and when the system rebooted it was stuck in a repair loop. If this happens to you, just make your Windows drive your primary drive again and it will boot as normal. Something most people maybe know, but it caught me off guard and had me panic for a bit. xd

[@vMaxHeadroom]

14900K user on an MSI Z790 Carbon motherboard, just updated the new bios and thankfully no issues.....but then again, being an enthusiast who actuallly understand K CPU's, I always fixed or used an adaptive vcore voltage to never go over 1.350v whic is more than enough for full perfoirmance so two ccres hitting 6GHz with an all core 5.6GHz giving a 41K Cinebench R23 multi score with temps in check. Motherboards, especially ASUS were alays peushing too much voltage on auto...Even my MSI Carbon on auto was pushing beyond 1.45v in idle though dropped under load.

[@SpaceyMonkey75]

The 7800x3d is still the best gaming processor out there. Prospective buyers may wanna stick to AMD for a while.

[@iLegionaire3755]

Not a may, Im sticking with AMD for certain and if Intel refuses RMA, they can stick it where the sun don't shine.

[@iLegionaire3755]

Given 7800X3D's legitimately insane power efficiency, and above competent productivity performance as well for content creation workloads, sipping power no matter the task demanded, I would argue it’s the best all arounder processor of 2024 as well.

[@davidr.wilson8194]

Oh good,I just built a computer with that cup.

[@saricubra2867]

​@@iLegionaire3755The 7800X3D unlike the 5800X3D has very, very stable clocks without jitter.

[@user-sg7xk6ch9i]

But Intel is so stable in game like ps5😅

[@westfield90]

Before I purchased my new computer two months ago, I had an 8th gen i7 and honestly till this day I never had a single blue screen and it ran beautifully and still does, zero signs of any degradation. I only upgraded because Adobe products required far more memory and power to run. Therefore I just wonder what happened since the time I got the 8th gen to now. I blame Intel and motherboard manufacturers, it’s inexcusable that out of the box the bios specs do not match what Intel has on its website. Either Intel knew about this or they looked the other way and didn’t care. Either way they are responsible and need to make the public whole again. However I do feel with the microcode patch, the RMA’s and the new processors launching, no one will remember this issue 6 months for now.

[@BenKlassen1]

My i7-14700k has random hangups even with only light usage. I usually go with the bang-for-the-buck non-"K" i5's but the one time I step up to an i7 "K" variant there's this situation.

[@boydepressed6640]

Now, exactly, does the i9 processor of the 12th generation of the K series face these problems or not? Do you think that overclocking this CPU might endanger the CPU? This is the question of many users, please answer

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

From what I've heard there's no issues with 12th gen

[@Demonoid1990]

The 14700k in my home server has been fine so far. Time will tell, I built it at the beginning of july soley for hosting several games on discord. My primary gaming computer atm is an Alienware Area 51m R1 with 9700k and RTX 2080, because I'm a trucker. I'll be replacing my laptop here soon enough, I'm just waiting for next gen hardware to hit the market, then building an ITX/MATX system in the case I have waiting at home. I'm not too concerned, the server at home is never pushed beyond 10-30% utilization. Mainly just a RAM hog running 4 server profiles for the games we play. Plus now my warranty is extended and additional 2 years regardless. As for my soon to be system, I'm waiting OFC. Waiting to see how 15th Gen pans out since it will be on a whole new platform/generation from Raptor lake. New Socket, new architecture, smaller node, new node process GAA, and a lot of other changes/improvements. So far Zen 5 has been, unimpressive at the least, but its still too early to tell. X3D hasn't released yet, and it looks like Zen 5 definitely needs some software/BIOS updates to boost it a bit. As for Intel I don't expect to see reviews for that until early October to late October maybe into November. My laptop is still getting me along fine, and has been the last 5 years. Now even Nvidia is apparently facing delays with RTX 5000.. So all I can do if I want exclusively next gen bleeding edge hardware is wait a bit. At least then I should be setup good to not have to worry about any major upgrades till maybe 2029/2030. I'm not gonna be going cheap on this next build, max out the specs so I can just roll with it for 5 years or more.

[@volvo09]

These processors have sent so many people on wild goose chases.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Yup

[@smudgekenobi7126]

Did intel just clock out if the CPU race? My 13700kf is faulty running hot and crashing, no fix found yet. I don’t know what to do as I don’t have the money for a replacement. Intel need to stand forth and offer a better solution as I smell a class action on the horizon .

[@ChazmillsADLT]

I can’t believe how hot these CPUs have got. I did a 10 yearly update on my computer and completely renewed the lot. I’ve been doing it since the windows dos days so plenty of experience. I have ended up altering the BIOS CPU voltage and managed to get the temperature down from 90-100° but at the expense of speed I believe. I have now added a shed load of fans including an industrial extraction system through my study wall. Ridiculous situation and like you I’m out of money and favour with my wife as the computer is much noisier, and the speed compared to my old 10 year old CPU is no different and, more noticeable, the room I work in is in the thirties degrees centigrade temperature. I wish I had never spent the £2000 and kept my old one. Pointless exercise as my wife keeps pointing out. On the plus side I’ll be able to heat my house with it in winter

[@claycassin8437]

Use that as your winter computer, and save up for a summertime AMD system. Or, (gasp), ARM. Too soon, I know. But as Sam Cook says, "A change is gonna' come". Patience at the moment seems to be in order. You have a coming winter! Your wife will still give you crap about the current system while it still works. Then you will need a new one. Go for efficiency. Then you will have a valid argument, even if you don't win.

[@MuzanPlays-bn8od]

please help me, Is this instability issues occuring in laptop cpu's too??? I have a i9 13900h series

[@jp99575w]

I just completed a new build I've been working on in my spare time since February & purchased the i9-13900k before all this stuff came out. Just installed the OS two weeks ago & installed photo editing software (Lr & Ps) & apps. I'm not a gamer, I do real estate photography & videos so my system demand is not as intense as if I was gaming. Haven't used it yet, I see where ASUS released a new bios version for my ASUS Z690i (v3603). Haven't updated the bios yet but plan to, I hope it will control the voltage & temp issues. At idle my cpu temps are 40C & need to be closer to 30C like my other pc, ASUS B660i i7-12700k I use now. I'll check out your video on what you did 'Asus wins vs Core i9 Stability issues! Easy fixes for the i9-13900K and 14900K' in hopes it will shed more light on this issue. I myself have always went with Intel, I just hope my i9-13900k doesn't have anymore issues in the future. Like your videos, thanks for your content, & yes I'm a subscriber.

[@club4ghz]

With my tuned 13600K I can play Battlefield 2042 at 200 Fps while running Y-Cruncher in background and it won't even choke

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Good stuff

[@tango_gru]

whats the power usage of the overall setup and now compare it with a similar rig built out of AMD. Further that 200FPS is majorly coming through your GPU and not CPU.

[@club4ghz]

@@tango_gru It's going to be 10 watts less for total system as my GPU draws 100 watts less than AMD equivalent when both overclocked to the max. And my CPU draws 90 watts more than AMD equivalent while delivering better performance at the same time because of high overclock and more cores.

[@tango_gru]

@@club4ghz Keeping the same GPU , what’s the power usage and bench mark results at stock settings ? Now with max overclock , same GPU in AMD : are you saying that your GPU is consuming more watts with AMD and over all the AMD Setup is consuming 10 watts more ? IN OTHER words are you trying to say the at your graphics card is working harder when used with AMD ? What card are you running in your AMD AND INTEL SETUP to compare ?

[@tango_gru]

@@club4ghz just to make sure that we are on the same page GPU = graphics card

[@Bobo-ey8fc]

As usual the Prawn is right on point. Although Intel has not managed this well, if they simply provide a list of the batch numbers of cpus with oxidation defects, that would help alot. And I agree that we shouldn't have to do constant BIOS updates, but if it corrects the issues for those having a problem, then it's worth a little extra work. I dont think this whole thing is the catastrophy other content creators are making it out to be.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

There's a lot of panic out there for sure. My concern is for viewers and friends that won't know about the issue or the fact they have to update the bios.

[@Bobo-ey8fc]

@TheProvokedPrawn So true...I remember years ago how intimidated I was to update my first BIOS. It's too bad Intel couldn't find a way to make these adjustments as part of a Windows update instead.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

@@Bobo-ey8fc yeah that would be better for the masses

[@life-longpatriot8258]

MSI released a bios update for my Z790 MEG ACE Max on 8/8. Apparently, they hadn't released it for all Z790 Mobos on that day, but I was able to update mine.

[@alcozar5905]

When I started building PCs I noted Intels behavior as market leader so I chose AMD they were slightly slower and better priced. Over the last 2 years AMD has surpassed Intel and is still cheaper a 7800X3D costs 339 USD vs a I9 14900KS at 629 USD that loses in game performance, heats your house, is unstable, and blue screens. The math, MATHS.

[@LeeBrothers5]

Lol...

[@YAAMW]

If your CPU starts becoming unstable after some time of operation then it's RMA time because that CPU has degraded. Even if the BIOS update temporarily fixes the issue, You can't tell how much degradation took place and the safest choice would be an RMA

[@zainshaikh373]

so are the laptop Intel Cpu also affected in the 13th and 14th gen? i want to buy one now is the issue fixed now if its on laptop versions too?

[@moonchild666]

Silicon has a limit as a medium for data processing. I just wonder if we're starting to see this limit on the distant horizon.

[@rmorenberg]

thanks for the update. I do have concerns with using the asus 1503 beta build of the bios update. I am holding off on it for now whats your opinion on using beta bios. I did RMA my 14700k and manually set up the intel default settings and so far have not yet had any crashes it's been 2 months knock on wood

[@r1pbuck]

I've been running a i9-13900KF on an MSI Z790 Tomahawk MOBO for the last year. The only problem I've had with it is my Cyberpunk 2077 crashing on load multiple times before it finally ran. It got bad enough that I was going to reset Windows [I thought this might be the problem] but upgraded to the 125 ucode first....and that fixed my problem. [This happened before I was aware of the Intel CPU problems]. Otherwise my PC is rock-solid. I'm sitting on the 129 ucode/BIOS update until I get a Yubikey, because apparently BIOS updates on my system wipes out my ability to log into Windows without a big rigmarole to reset my password. What I don't know now is whether the BIOS updates will _stop_ further degradation of my CPU, or just slow it down. Also, there seems to be no way to tell how much damage has been done to my CPU. If the BIOS update _absolutely stops_ damage to the CPU, I won't worry, even if I have to buy a new one because of the damage already done. What I don't want is to have to change out a CPU every year or two on a system I thought would last me at least 5 years or longer.

[@cheekster777]

A tricky spot to be in for sure for anyone in the Team Blue camp. I myself have been waiting on news of Intel’s 15th Gen CPUs, LGA 1851 motherboards and Nvidia 5080 GPU. Disappointed that no real information has been released yet or any concrete launch dates. I will take a look at reviews of AMD Ryzen 9000 series CPUs to see how well they perform for Creators. But from everything I’ve read and watched Intel CPUs seem to be more optimized for Creators whereas AMD (up to Ryzen 7000) seems to excel more for gaming.

[@PerchEagle]

I bought the 13700k, shall I return it and get the 12700k ?

[@VGShrine]

I have a hypothesis for the Intel controversy and it points out to the motherboard manufacturers: - Most if not all motherboard manufacturers tried to undervolt the 13/14th gen CPUs with AC/DC LLs to get more juice out them. - Mobo manufacturers left the CPU TDP limits and iccMax as unlimited with low AC/DC LLs causing high temps up to 100°C and in some cases instability in high demanding tasks (shader compilation) if the mobo AC/DC LL undervolt is aggressive by default. As the mobo manufacturer uses the same AC/DC LL undervolt profile for all processors, this ignores the CPU silicon lottery so users with CPUs with no UV room those are more prone to instability. - When users saw the temps and power consumption, most limited the TDP to Intel specs 253 (which was available since launch) to reduce temps. Additionally other users, applied manual undervolting on top of the default low AC/DC LLs applied by the mobo manufacturers causing more instability. - As many users don't know what the hell are and how AC/DC LLs behaves in their motherboards a lot of misinformation with recommendations for configurations appeared causing more problems and since then many users thought and still think: "oh, my CPU is defective" or "my CPU is degraded" when it's actually an undervolting issue. - When the above issue exploded with posts and reached the point it is now, all users jumped to the same conclusion. - Some mobo manufacturers like MSI made a streaming session to teach users how their bios behaves and how to apply Intel recommended settings. Others like Asus stayed silent and just put out a Bios update and so on. Which caused more issues as with Intel recommended settings the voltages are higher and no longer undervolted by default as before. So a new problem there with possible degradation due to high voltages and high AC/DC LLs up to 1.101mOhm. How did I come up with this conclusion? I have 2 13th Gen CPUs (13900K and 13900KS) running perfectly fine, compiling shaders for UE5 games and editing videos for more than a year with no issues. A couple of friends have 14th gen CPUs with the same issues as everyone else and convinced that their CPUs were faulty/degraded. I checked both their PCs recently and it was actually an undervolting issue. They have been playing and using their PCs normally for about a month without issues. Conclusion, this issue is a big fuck up by motherboard manufacturers by applying OC/UV without user approval or informing users about them. The amount of misinformation generated because of that lead to many users to not configure their CPUs properly causing more issues and lead to the current situation. Mobo manufacturers left the CPU TDP limits and iccMax as unlimited with low AC/DC LLs causing high temps up to 100°C and in some cases instability in high demanding tasks (shader compilation) if the mobo AC/DC LLs are aggressive by default.

[@saricubra2867]

The motherboards are all over the place because Intel isn't strict with guidelines unlike AMD. At the end, it's still Intel's fault.

[@VGShrine]

@@saricubra2867 Not exactly. TDP values and iccMax values were available in the Intel CPU specs since day one. Mobo manufacturers do whatever they want with their motherboards just to get better publicity and sell more. Regarding AMD, as far as I can remember they started being strict after their CPUs started blowing up a couple of years ago.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

totally correct though Intel also have a hand in not working with mobo manufacturers to provide a baseline solid setting. I have no issues as I always fixed my vcore to a max of 1.350v but under normal 1.325v and no issues in performance as you still get full performance with 6GHz on two cores and 5.6GHz on all core..My firest ASUS motherboard was pushing absurerd voltages so moved to MSI which was a bit better but still peaking at 1.5v+ so fixed vcore was always the better way to go.

[@tango_gru]

@@VGShrine in other words do you mean to say that intel folks have setup a factory overclock and hence this generation of processors need a higher voltage to run stable ?

[@VGShrine]

@@tango_gru yeah, that's why 13/14th gen cpus have less room for overclock.

[@johndawe449]

I have a gaming computer,bought six months ago, i9 1400k, worked great for six months then constant crashing in cod, unable to get into cod for weeks, get in then crashes, re loaded windows, re installed game three times etc to no avail, installed the latest bios from msi that came out 8 August 2024 and sorted all problems, straight into cod no issues, just wondering what damage has been done to my cpu and or my brd memory etc.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Excellent

[@adamsleath]

Undervolting by 50-150mV (negative offset or manual) seems to be the consensus amongst various people who actually know what they are doing. excessive voltage and thermals are most likely the cause of the problems. There are also the power&current specs from intel. the bios updates arent quite there yet. (my 2 cents) 12th gen is fine. im still on 8th gen. XD you want less than 1.4V going to the cpu. preferably closer to 1.3V 1.5 is way too high, and this is still being applied by the latest 129 bios updates at default. (in some profiles) not good.

[@metaforceschool]

my core vids maximum reach get to 1.635 , im using intel profile extreme , pl1/2 : 253 and max mpower 400 is core vid the same thing ur talking about ? v going ot the cpu ? if yes how can i reduce it im on msi z790 edge ti max wifi , and i dont khnow when undervolting from bios to either use -cpu or -pwn

[@saricubra2867]

​@@metaforceschoolUndervolt with Intel XTU, disable multicore enhancement from your chip. Check your max current.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Noit sure why people dont just use a fixed vcore or adaptibve with a 1.350v orr less limit. This has worked for me as I never trusted the motherboard auto voltage settings especially ASUS and thus changed to an MSI Z790 board, even then MSI were pushing 1.4 to 1.5v which for me was just not needed. With a fixed, I have no issues with full performance.

[@metaforceschool]

@@saricubra2867 i need to disable technology in bios to use it , and i cant do that since i work using bluestacks alot and with it disabled some apps dont work

[@metaforceschool]

@@vMaxHeadroom ok guide me to how to do that in bios , i got a z790 , please and thank you

[@tango_gru]

Not sure why the American audience is not aware that AMD has been able to get great outputs with very low power consumption. This has been the trend from the past 7 years atleast.

[@rprinz97]

I just built a new PC with a 14700k the first week of August smh. Had no idea about this. Now I don't know what to do. I have a MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK MAX WIFI and there is no BIOS update for this particular board yet. I haven't experienced any kinds of issues yet. Any recommendations for this particular situation?

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Keep checking for the bios updates but don't panic imo.

[@rprinz97]

@@TheProvokedPrawn Will do. Thanks for replying, you are one of my favorite KZbinrs for PC builds and tech! Great videos!

[@Ekshaggy]

All intel 13TH & 14TH have this degradation issue where the cpu slowly kills itself. Intel does not have a fix. Some RMA warranty were reported void from enabling ram profiles to run at optimum speeds.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

That's just not factually accurate. It's not all CPUs.

[@skullcsr]

@@TheProvokedPrawn It might, or might not be factually accurate, you also don't know, as there is not enough info or testing out there, the only reason it isn't happening with the others is because of their lower TDP.

[@YAAMW]

I think the biggest problem is the one escaping most tech KZbinr's. The resale value of those CPUs and the platform as a whole will be COMPLETELY tanked by these issues. Why would anyone buy a second hand 13th or 14th gen CPU only to have it for on them? You have a relationship with Intel and they can just keep sending you CPUs but that's not something that the average Joe has access to. Intel maybe better for you because you don't pay for you CPUs. AMD is, unequivocally, the safest option for the masses rn.

[@danmar007]

I solved that problem many years ago. I worked in IT for 25 years, and that was long enough to learn that staying behind the tech curve is, maybe, not the fastest solution, but it's proven to be the safest. Right now I'm quite happy with my i5-12600K. Another thing that helps is not being a good gamer. :-)

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

😂

[@Chat-vz3il]

I've just updated to a i5-12400f myself. My old i7-4790S was starting to struggle in a few games so I thought it's time for an upgrade. Almost went with a cheap Ryzen 5 4500 which I later found out has the per core performance slightly better than my old i7

[@voracious3835]

Does I5-14600K have those problems ? My settings in my MSI bios are: Both PL 1 and PL 2 is set to 181W, CPU current limit 200A cpu load lite or lite load ( don't remember the correct name ) is set to mode 6 (previously was at mode 9 ) and in windows my VID is at 0.XXX in idle sometimes 1.210 or lower, and in gaming 1.233, 1.289 sometimes 1.3 but more 1.2xx. So I'm more the safe ? I'm in a amazing spot with my cpu ?

[@saricubra2867]

Your VID is safe range, my 12700K is 1.23 max. i9s are dying because they are around 1.5 volts, some 13th and 14th gen i7s also die around that voltage (way more rare than i9s).

[@rugbyvideos5646]

Been running I9 14900k since January. No issues.

[@josephl7930]

Next-gen "Error" Lake = it doubles as a part-time CPU, full-time keychain decoration!

[@Kapono5150]

Are you gonna take the chance or complete the exchange?

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

I'm unsure. Though I do want to keep using both my i9 14900 k and i7 14700k to see how they hold up with fixes

[@Kapono5150]

@@TheProvokedPrawn Yea for content you could show before and after and you could do like a monthly sanity check on it since you know how your chip has performed in the past. Hope the intel situation doesn’t keep you up at night.

[@tommywenis]

Personally have had the 14700KF since February have yet to experience any crashing or any other instability issues

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Excellent

[@CesarGonzalez-kt7vp]

Just bought and on it's way for delivery, but after seeing this episode of all the troubles with this Intel CPU I'll be returning an unopened box! CyberPowerPC Gamer Supreme Liquid Cooled Gaming Desktop - 14th Gen Intel Core i9-14900KF - GeForce RTX 4080 Super.

[@trufflepudding4704]

Not everybody has time nor the knowledge to change the bioses , procesors or hardware so the switch to AMD is innevitable i guess

[@timokuusela2622]

i have seen 30% of 13 ,14 I7 I9 are danger zone to break hardware level but what is real %

[@6XCcustom]

if intel does this then it's a minor catastrophe, intel is needed so that AMD doesn't get a monopoly if intel still chooses this path, then I hope that intel is forced to pay back every single dollar they received in grants to create more jobs, and knowledge in the USA this was done by the usa, in order not to fall even further behind in development, which should be of great strategic knowledge if Intel sells its FABs, well then there is only one big TSMC left, and the Chinese want it, if this happens yes then we will see the result and it won't be nice

[@richardkeller5703]

I have an 19-13900K that i built 1 1/2 years ago and its been fine. No Blue screens \ Frame drops \ etc but I've been watching the temps and the voltages since day 1. I was getting a couple of weird errors one whenever GE Force experience downloaded and installed updated video card drivers i would get "Incompatible device driver error" and when booting at time i would get java errors from Samsung Magician. I did complete an RMA with Intel at the time I called they told me since they have no CPU's they can give me a refund. Imagine that to be "Fair Market Value" and not what i paid for it. I really don't want a replacement as that opens up it up to issues. I rebuilt my machine guess ill monitor and see if i get those errors again. I bought an i9-12900k and now I'm on the fence if i want to install that. The only way ill do that is if i get a refund from Intel that i feel is fair. At the moment on the fence this sucks. I've supported Intel for many years (I have an i7-2600K \ i7-6850K) and they are both running fine after all of these years. I just want to be able to enjoy my PC and not sit their everyday wondering when\if its going to die. Yeah a 5 year warranty watch it croak the day after LOL.

[@andysmith7903]

Would you know the CPU voltage differences during use between Performance setting and Extreme setting. ie which would show lower voltage swings. (why do Intel recommend the extreme profile rather than performance) My CPU is i913900K. Thanks.

[@Waldherz]

Extreme is recommended due to legal reasons. The extreme profile matches the advertised specs at launch.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

It's crazy Intel didn't do anyhting sooner.

[@claycassin8437]

According to some very trustworthy tech channels, if your 13th gen CPU over 65 watts is having stability issues, it's gone. You can stabilize it for awhile with lower settings, but the damage is done. It will fail. I wish I could bring better news, but I can't. Be prepared. My cheapness saved me, as I was perfectly happy still with my 9th gen. It's well balanced with my less than top shelf GPU, shall we say. And I dodged a bullet. I have never owned an AMD CPU. This is new territory.

[@TheHandyHam73]

I9 12900K works great!

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

😂👍🏼

[@Cris1Mac]

So does my 10900K was going to upgrade this year have everything but motherboard, CPU. Will hold off until the next Gen CPU and motherboards.

[@cheekster777]

Hope that you have a great weekend my friend. Thank you.

[@easymoneeey]

bios update and driver guides for different mobos will be helpful for a lot of people. Regarding your cpu, I think you should RMA. Intel probably knows more than they’re letting on, so a diagnostic would be quick and you could start a fresh with a new replacements

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Thanks for the input

[@madkilla]

Im about to build a intel build, and im sticking fat with it. I just Hope my version of the 14700k dosent have any issue. But Ill be making sure everything updated BIOS whys and keep a close Eye on your channel for updates. Keep up the good work prawn

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Sensible plan with the bios update. Hopefully it'll be fine then

[@vMaxHeadroom]

the 14700K is a great CPU. Yes make sure the bios is updated to the latest version but if there is one thing you can do that will help is go into the bios and go for a fixed or adaptive voltage at no more than 1.325v as that is more than enough for full performance and lower temps. Auto voltage settings will still push up to 1.5v in small bursts so just go fixed or adaptive and you will not have these issues...

[@CasualGamerPlays]

@Provoked Prawn, i would keep doing videos on BIOS updates reports for the brands as they come in. Also, if you have more Intel processors, maybe do another computer build video, showing the starting voltage of the processor before the bios update, then showing the bios/processor voltage after doing the update and how it all works as far as how it would affect the users with gaming, content creating, etc. Just my thoughts and opinions. We all appreciate the work you've put in with researching this topic so far. Thanks

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Sounds like a plan

[@selimyanim9509]

Does this problem also appear to Intel's laptop processors?

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

I believe that's unknown at this moment

[@jackelofnar]

I think everyone knows the bias won't fix the problem it's to buy intel time

[@gungagalunga9040]

i've never met a more arrogant bunch of workers than the Intel people. So I can't say I'm too sad for them.

[@robertvansteinshwaga]

My 14700k is rock solid now

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Excellent

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

www.theregister.com/2024/08/09/new_raptor_lake_microcode_limits/

[@MattGixxer]

Waiting on 0x129 for my new rma’d 14900k.

[@chris20001965]

I’ve been team Intel for almost 30 years but I’m just done. Next build I’m moving to AMD.

[@calldeltosell]

Honestly, what I think (just my opinion as an old retired electrical engineer), I think others and you should stop watching GN. Yes I think there's an issue that could be avoided had Intel known about it. When anyone, anywhere, makes a new product, they can simulate premature aging - but just like your body, it can take abuse (hard physical labour, alcohol, weed, pharmaceuticals, poor food, certain herbs, smoking, etc.). Unlike your body that can heal itself - semiconductors cannot. But happy life can and does exist as time takes its toll. It's just my opinion based on my impression of GN. He may have, like a blind hog finding an acorn, stumbled upon something - but it's patently obvious - he's chuffed without sufficient cause. He says things that are very off-putting like "I have been doing this for 14 years." And true, he has built a following. I take nothing from legitimate success. But I have issues with arrogance. Apparently, some other content provider said or did something GN didn't like. So rather than being the man in the room, he was mocking doing a call out on the other person. So I don't see the constant barrage of clickbait posts help anyone but GN hours of views. I think bringing the potential issue to light is fair. Berating and disparaging, bullying to get a response, criticism while Intel investigates, then bash the response suggesting Intel is on a coverup isn't. They may be. Maybe not. It sounds like the pressure to always have paradigm shifts in performance combined with the short development time between generations caught up with Intel. That doesn't make Intel the Devil incarnate. My guess and opinion of what has actually happened is, people - innocent enough as many are - cooked their CPUs. I figure, the blindly trusted the birthing person boards with unlocked chips. The watt density (CPU watts per square mm/cm/in) seems unbelievably high -- even at rated levels. So if MB manufacturers (I hear ASUS has been called out) didn't prevent abuse - or if as some suggest, may be responsible, I would like believe the chip itself should protect itself. It strikes me as a perfect storm of users, builders, manufacturers, developers and Intel. This literally got by them all. Chips do fall over time. There's probably no way to know how much safety factor has been burned (or oxidised away). Funny that, it took two years for people to notice. My gut says, 1. Stop patronising GN and consuming hype, fear, and breaking rumours. Switch to less emotional sources. 2. Do the recommended fixes as soon as you can. 3. Don't push it so hard. 4. Contact Intel and keep a record of contact. 5. Just chill. It's not beyond the pale that if it isn't a manufacturing flaw, simply cooling the peak heat, taming it just a tad that you can arrest further damage. I don't care for GN myself, not because of content per se, but personality. At first blush, he strikes me as quite a jumped up person which, a little humility would go a long way. I'm not saying GN is bad nor wrong. But I would be very careful poking a bear. Just because you can, does not me you should. I am human myself. It's easy to slip up and go too far. I would personally feel uncomfortable having board rooms of barristers repeatedly looking over all my posts. I just wish, for GN's they could polish delivery a bit. Wish them the best of luck and continued success.

[@mko4012]

Is this an issue for mobile CPUs as well?

[@saman5986]

No, as far as I know, nothing has been reported so far.

[@damoebius]

i got the error out of video memory, right when i installed this cpu, i think it was to hot also, so i tuned it a bit (to what is now performance profile pl1=2= 253, 307a, slight undervolt 0.05 -, and 1.38v-1.4v max) and the cpu worked flawlessly (now 6 months already wihtout errors), i m not doing this update....

[@vMaxHeadroom]

I did the update yesterday and no issues on my 14900K though I never let the motherboard control the vcore voltage on auto and instead went fixed or adaptive with a 1.350v limit though most of the time I stick to 1.325v and no issues whatsoever. Sadly many who buy these CPU's especially the 'K' versions do not really fiddle in the bios to drive effeciency to drop temps and get better performance and it is not there fault but Intel and the motherboard manufacturewrs have a lot to answer for. Looks like Intel is moving the RMA process fast and even offered to replace mine within 5 to 7 working days as I contacted them to ask what I should do if I have issues. So long as Intel does the right thing then all good, if not then they deserve whats coming.

[@damoebius]

@@vMaxHeadroom the thing is, if this error came right after installing (litteraly right out of the box), its not degraded yet... so its a matter of heat and voltage imho

[@MhillPlays]

Oxidation was an issue on early 13th Gen on launch, and it was a small sample size which they dealt with quite promptly. Existing issues I feel are due to TVB vcore’s, best advice is set pcores to max 5.7Ghz and avoid TVB boosting, not that it benefits anyone anyway. It only exists as on paper it looks better than competition, but serves no purpose in reality. We also had AIB’s using really low AC_LL, now ironically Intel Baseline uses 1.1mohms which increases vcores quite a lot. So their excuse of elevated voltages seem contradictory to what they’re implementing. What a mess…

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Right but some people are determined that both 13th and 14th gen all suffer from the oxidation. It's certainly a mess.

[@realkekec4028]

From Intel problem with CPU's..... ....this now becomes my problem.Good luck for me when i will have to RMA my unstable i9 13900K. The micro patch will do jack shit for me. I guess....thanx intel?

[@richardrandall9809]

Who got the 13th generation i-9 I don't know anything more than that but I can be playing fallout 4 which we all know that's older game and when I exit it and check the temperature My CPU it's literally in that 116 and they didn't start to drop very slowly and it'll settle around 80 85 and I keep my room cold I've got two isolating fans a ceiling fan and an air conditioner

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

It cannot be 116. The max temp is 100 c before it shuts down automatically

[@Cris1Mac]

MSI has released the new microcode beta bios last night for some of their motherboards FYI. Enjoy your helpfull videos.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

@@Cris1Mac I know. See pinned comment 😂 appreciate you though

[@Cris1Mac]

@@TheProvokedPrawn Ok sorry about that. Missed the pin somehow. I'll blame it on not having my morning coffee yet.

[@simplysimon966]

great video..: simon near Bath

[@averychiappetta5142]

is that a 3080 vision?

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

3090 Vision. Good guess though!

[@orb5045]

I have a i7-13700kf my games crash sometimes

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Latest bios?

[@astir0412]

How much are Intel paying you? Can't afford AMD ?

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Nothing. That's not the point. It's not buying one CPU like most people, it's buying multiple CPUs and motherboards regularly for different builds when I already have a load of intel motherboards.

[@zen_xenomorph]

You haven't "fixed" your CPU with those BIOS tweaks. It will have physical damage and wont be able to run at its advertised speed any more. The new Intel microcode BIOS updates also reduce the performance, it's not by much, but it's there. And who knows if these will actually fix this issue in the long run. But for CPU's that already had issues, it's almost certain that they'll have physical damage. You need to RMA it with Intel, if they even allow it. It's taken them 2 years to admit fault and accept RMA's with this issue. Why support a company like this? Just do the sane thing and go AMD. Choosing Intel just because it's something you've always done makes no sense. At least with GPU's you could argue that drivers are an issue or they're missing certain features (like DLSS which is clearly better than FSR). But with CPU's you wont notice any difference. In this case AMD are not just vastly more stable, they're also easier to cool being as they don't consume ludicrous amounts of power, and you wont get better gaming performance than their X3D parts.

[@UnbeatenObject]

That's what I did.

[@djlim4612]

it's not a bad time to be a pc gamer. Just a bad time to be a Intel user/gamer/fanboi. PC gamers are not just Intel yeah. Just get AMD. It's cheap, stable, with a wide range. Whats causing your reluctance to get AMD when Intel's treating you badly even after years of buying their products?

[@nunyabidness5835]

I rather the color blue over red simple

[@elchancho8432]

Do I just wait for Asus to make the update official or do the beta? Because aren’t updates usually on the website with on the MB support page Never done a beta update before

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Have you checked recently? They're releasing them now I think. See the link in the pinned comment

[@KanoTransformations]

Prawn, you have 690 and 790 boards, so send back your 13900k and tell them you want a 12900ks

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

I have contemplated it

[@justiful9215]

14900k = $557 7800x3d = $367 The 7800x3d outperforms the 14900k in 95% of games. Even if the 14900k had zero issues, it would still be something no one who is making a PC for gaming should buy. $190 more for GPU is the difference between a 4070 and 4070TI. Or 4070TI and 4080. You can't justify getting a lesser GPU just to buy an intel CPU that performs worse. --------------- If the 14900k was $350 there may be a discussion to be had on which one to buy, even if the 14900k has issues. At $557 only a fool would even consider it. I don't care what PC budget you have, $900-$9000 --- AMD gets you more frames per dollar.

[@Daniel-ur3mw]

i just built my new rig in march (using your recommendation for the motherboard) So far I haven't had an issue. I don't want to go out and get a new cpu and motherboard, ram and whatever else I might need to switch to AMD. I guess what I'm asking is... worst case for now until I'm ready for a new build is that I would have to buy a new CPU only correct ? It's not like it's going to fry the entire computer..

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

@@Daniel-ur3mw I'm of the belief that you don't need to panic enough to replace your entire system. Just make sure you update the bios.

[@zen_xenomorph]

Immediately update the BIOS to the latest one. But not all motherboard makers have released a BIOS with the new Intel microcode fix, so you might have to wait a few days if that's the case for you. But the longer you wait the more physical damage will be caused to the CPU. The motherboard and other components will be fine.

[@Daniel-ur3mw]

Sounds good. I have the latest bios for my MSI motherboard. I checked this morning and the new beta one wasn’t out yet for the Z790 Gaming Edge TI Max WiFi yet. I will keep looking. Thanks for the replies !!

[@user-ed6pb8ru8p]

i guess i am lucky i have a 14700k msi edge z790 gskill 7200 32gb samsung pro9902tb pny4080 0 problems built it in may 24 frist build in 20 years always had intel nvidia systems back then AMD was cheep stuff but when the 50s come out gonna build an AMD system and try it out

[@EverSpaceTime]

TBH, I hear the next mac mini is supposed to be roughly the size of an apple tv, which is insane, and I might buy one of those. I'm tired of windows anyway, and I don't game.

[@stefanpanayotov3857]

Ty for the great video always on Time alaways on point ! i just made a build with 14600k (2 weeks ago)and since i understood about this problem didint even used the pc till the microcode been released, i am wondering if its ok to update it with the 029 Microcode that was released yday as 14600k user or ? what will u sugest me Ty in advance ! Keep up with great videos

[@Anthony-fd8mh]

I have been lucky I think so far as my 13900KS has not had any problems although I will say I have not gone looking for it to cause a problem. I have run Cinebench R23 and things like that and played my normal games and I have not had any crashes or BSOD's. I am waiting for MSI to release the update for my MB (MSI Z790 MEG ACE) which so far as of this writing (8-9-24 8:30AM) they have not and have only released it for certain MB's which I don't really understand why they just release it for certain ones when my MB uses a 13900KS. The only thing I did for my Processor was tell the Bios I have an air cooler which lowered the voltage to like 253W or whatever as I am not super Bios savvy. I figured I'll just do the bios update when it finally comes out and then just use my computer normally for what I do until it dies then look into another processor and by then hopefully all this is fixed, however I'm also hoping I don't have to change my MB and redo my entire computer because that would really be a drag.

[@saman5986]

:(

[@tango_gru]

So many intel illiterates here , get an AMD and you will be happy. AMD has been the performance king from the past many years.

[@KanoTransformations]

Also, do an itx build

[@pontusb45]

bios update for rog z790 hero just dropped, version 2503 beta version. do i install that? im on 2402 version now.

[@gvido2923]

i did install it basically what i noticed there is nothing new than already have been released in guides before so i dont see point of it anyways i had to tweak it a bit anyways to get back on low temps and performance but yet again i never had any issues with my 14900k to begin with

[@metaforceschool]

@@gvido2923 I GOT NO PROBLEMES SO FAR TOO BEEN RUNNING THIS CPU FOR 15 DAYS NOW , i got rtx 4090 and 32 gb of ram 6400mhz no bsod no crashes in games nothing except sometimes in games i get really rare freezing moments for 0.1 micro second i got z790 edge wifi ti max , i updated bios ( not the microcode one , since it havent dropped for my mobo yet ) , i run the extreme intel settings pl1/2 : 253 and 400 power etc ... didint change anything else can you advice me to do anything else to protect my cpu from degradation ? i heard undervolting helps , but i dont khnow if i should undervolt using -cpu or -pwn i cant find a good guide about this cpu on a msi motherboard that i got , so if you can be so kind and help with any advice i apprecaite it

[@anonymous4gent]

I have been lucky with my 14900k so far, saw blue screen only twice when I was running 100 applications at the same time. I never overclocked it, that may have saved it.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

100?!?

[@anonymous4gent]

@@TheProvokedPrawn exaggerated . . I count each Chrome tab as an individual application. But I was running Topaz Video AI 2 instances, Wondershare Filmora, 3 instances of Android emulators and a few more at the same time.

[@anonymous4gent]

@@TheProvokedPrawn exaggerated. I was running lotsa tabs on Chrome+Edge, multiple instances of Topaz Video AI, Wondershare Filmora and multiple instances of Android emulators at the same time.

[@anonymous4gent]

@@TheProvokedPrawn cant respond without getting flagged as I am using names of multiple apps.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

@@anonymous4gent I didn't really want to know what they all are just curious why 😂

[@chp19711971]

I use a I5 13400f and never had any issues for a long time now. But I think its the i5-13600 and up that has the issues. but a year and nothing yet and I mix it with an nvidia rtx 4070 and runs fantastic. But the I5 - 13400f is low power and I think its above the one i have like 13600 and newer i guess?

[@saman5986]

😞

[@MikeU128]

Come on over and dip your feet into the AMD pool, the water's fine! At least you can re-use your RAM.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

The latest reviews are not so great though

[@MikeU128]

@@TheProvokedPrawn There's a pretty good chance that the launch reviews of the new Zen 5 SKUs are using BIOSes that are still kind of half-baked. I'd give it a month or two and see where we're at. Or just go with Zen 4 if you need something today.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

@@MikeU128 true. I've got a 7700x still

[@skullcsr]

@@TheProvokedPrawn That's only cuz most ppl only care about raw power, if you care about less heat buildup, and power efficiency, then it is in fact a great product, to each its own. I have a 7800X3D and never been happier to make the jump.

[@robertprice5353]

I was on the fence about buying an Intel CPU, mostly due to the fact that the company supports the Israeli government's genocidal campaign on Palestinians. But now I'm going with AMD. The information you've shared about Intel's product quality indicates to me that they're more in the business of maintaining their market share rather than building a product that consistently delivers for its customers. Cheers 🙂

[@jcloud96]

😂😂😂

[@elchancho8432]

Lmao the fuck

[@mr.sophistication3232]

How’s your wife’s boyfriend doing?

[@cemsengul16]

I love your t-shirt.

[@TheProvokedPrawn]

Thanks. It's from www.qwertee.com/

[@More_Row]

They’ve never been good

[@ADesertVoice]

You don't seem to understand that even IF you made your current system stable now with the voltage tweaks you did, it still means your CPU is DEGRADED and will not work in the optimal setting. Literally your degraded CPU will not reach the performance it was advertised at since you are underclocking it by undervolting it. You should probably RMA that DEGRADED chip to Intel and hopefully the new microcode fix on the "good" Intel CPUs will let it run as it was supposed to without having that VOLTAGE cranked up frying your CPU over time. I did the same fix on my 14700k which was constantly crashing playing the new season of POE and previously with Elden Ring. I can't believe that just limiting the voltage on the CPU by the many fixes on youtube streams actually worked...as my games don't crash anymore. But that means my CPU has DEGRADED and will no longer perform at the optimal settings it was advertised to operate at out of the box. WHICH makes me ANGRY since as a consumer if I had known about this issue I would have just bought the 7800x3d cpu from the start or even the 7900x cpu or waited until the next gen of Intel CPUs that don't have this problem.

[@EverSpaceTime]

From YOUR perspective the best thing to do is build AMD. Most people are "omg Intel had a problem I won't trust Intel again ever" at the moment, so for the next gen or two they are going to be anti-Intel. From my personal perspective I fucking despise AMD for fielding pre-alpha product in Ryzen 1, which was an absolute clusterfuck of a launch and I won't buy their shit again.

[@tango_gru]

Get over it.... AMD is now in Ryzen 9 stage. They are much better than any intel processors

[@EverSpaceTime]

@@tango_gru lol...AMD is competing with intel's LAST generation. Intel is literally launching new stuff in October.

[@tango_gru]

​@@EverSpaceTime If you think critically you will understand that intel is using higher voltage to achieve higher performance. Even if I accept that AMD is one generation behind , still performance per watt of AMD is much better than intel. intel is scamming people by inhouse-overclocking CPUs . Ever wondered why intel stock is not even one seventh of AMD ???

[@tango_gru]

@@EverSpaceTime one more thing to add intel fan boy , intels processors are dying across the world coz of over voltage. and they are not a happy bunch of users

[@EverSpaceTime]

@@tango_gru yawn. RMA any damaged processor, and apply the firmware update. Is that really what you have? AMD was just killing processors by overvolting in the last year alone. You're like 12 fucking years old. I was building systems well before you were ever born.