What The Pro-Life Movement Needs to Change

[@TheCounselofTrent]

I want to affirm that Vance made many good points with Joe Rogan when it comes to discussing abortion, such as pointing out how many pro-choicers lie about late-term abortion. And while, as i note, we must be cunning, I worry a lack of boldness or at least a lack of being direct on the issue is hurting us overall.

[@d.a.tsun5104]

Can't use 'real' words on pro-life position because of censorship.

[@supernerd8067]

Trent, what advice would you give to combat scare tactic campaign ads like the one Kamala made. The ad I keep seeing tries to scare women into voting for her by saying the overturn of Roe v. Wade led to little girls and other women dying due to having to carry rape children. This scare tactic has even affected members of my family. Any advice would be helpful along with charity because I know I can be an a-hole if I get too heated and emotional.

[@kevinphillips150]

Good points are ok but are not good enough. The science states what is clear and natural. Morality cannot be changed but perspectives can change to meet science, due to religion (since society has refused to).

[@MyContext]

IF your position requires you to be cunning, then there is an acknowledgement of dishonesty in some form in play. Understand that the moment you are imposing a notion by whatever means, you aren't getting people on board with your notions. You are taking away their freedom of choice in the matter. People choosing your position while being free to choose otherwise would support your position as being accepted as being correct.

[@housecry]

You also have the issue of pro-abortion advocates lying about state laws on abortion. Explain what is the difference between a miscarriage and ectopic pregnancy and physicians deliberately killing, healthy children because of unwantedness. Texas law makes the distinction explicit, but political ads would have the public believe otherwise.

[@DnDandVideoGames]

We will look back on the abortion situation in 100 years and we will be just as disgusted with it as we did with slavery

[@ji8044]

Christians were never, ever, ever disgusted with slavery. Nearly all slaveowners in the Western hemisphere WERE Christians. Even priests and minsters owned slaves.

[@Nicole11522]

💯

[@davidwagner5583]

I agree, and slavery wasn’t abolished through weak, incremental legislation

[@ToddJambon]

@@davidwagner5583 No, but equality for black people was done incrementally. They had the 3/5 compromise that actually recognized slaves as people who should be represented...kind of. Then they abolished slavery nearly 100 years later. Then they had Jim Crow laws. Then they integrated schools. Then there was the Civil Rights act that finally outlawed discrimination in the United States based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. And it took nearly 200 years for all of this to happen. I want abortion to end as much as the next pro-lifer. But even Jesus Christ could not get everyone on Earth to follow Him. It took hundreds of years for Christianity to become the world's dominant religion. How can we expect to do a better job than Jesus in a relatively short amount of time?

[@imperialrook5442]

Lord willing

[@johnmadur3872]

"Hands that shed innocent blood " (Proverbs 6:17) shall not triumph.

[@robis7238]

I needed that. Thanks.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

They always seem to.

[@billotron5521]

​@@MeanBeanComedy Not in the end

[@janestclair3650]

@@johnmadur3872 Yes. Vote the American Solidarity Party.....Peter Sonski and Lauren Onak....pro life,Pro family...Catholic Social teaching

[@Zangified02]

@@MeanBeanComedyread Psalm 73 David dealt with the same problem, you will see that their is hope

[@TheDjcarter1966]

The problem is we won a few elections and got the law changed but never won the hearts and minds.

[@CJP.-pq3kr]

It’s hard to win on this issue when the other side uses emotional manipulation through extreme examples. Using logic and winning debates doesn’t help us with people who are ruled by their selfishness and emotions

[@abrareads]

​@@CJP.-pq3krthe other side flat out lies as well

[@rukidding-y2c]

Win the hearts and minds is STEP ONE.

[@kevinphillips150]

Which elections that were won mattered?

[@kevinphillips150]

​@@CJP.-pq3krToo many people are uneasy with confrontation concerning morality. This is nothing new. Look at the French Revolution. Look at Protestantism.

[@master_samwise]

Thank you, Trent. My hope is that abortion remains a front-running issue (as the Democrats want it to be) until their opponents finally get the guts to actually use the moral high ground that they have forfeited for so long, and turn the current Democratic strategy on its head, leading to changes of heart and life-protecting laws. Let us pray for our nation and its leaders that they will come to know the value and dignity of every human life.

[@michaelmoreno7889]

Great to see Master Samwise here as well. Pray for the unborn!

[@mikethemonsta15]

MASTER SAMWISE! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOO. You two should do a collab!

[@kze24]

Hey Master Samwise. For what it's worth, not all Democrats support the abominable act of abortion. I, too, pray that my party would have more respect for the sanctity of human life.

[@kevinphillips150]

Why? Why continue to 'vote' for any candidate that continues to 'rearrange the deck chairs'? In God we trust, but to do what? By the way, unfortunately, there are many clergy members that are progressive. How are they in 'leadership' roles in the Roman Catholic Church?

[@michaelmoreno7889]

@@kevinphillips150 This is a conflation of faith and hope for the promise of eternal life and the call to be active and prudent in society as upright and moral citizens (think innocent as a dove and cunning as serpents). I suggest reading G.K. Chesterton's book Orthodoxy for how to understand a Catholic perspective on prudence and politics; he has a chapter on progressivism and how you can work towards true positive change when you hold hope in Heavenly utopia and a love for the fallen world in tension with each other. If you don't act like Trent says to reduce abortion even if it still allows abortion you are responsible for that failure. Obviously we have to hold our representative responsible, but I think it ultimately will come down to how they act in office, not campaign trail promises.

[@tonyl3762]

We should be using the term infanticide, not abortion. Abortion is their term. Abortion is pre-natal infanticide.

[@tookie36]

So the US is worst than ISIS ?

[@warrenrosen132]

Show the pictures.

[@skyspring7704]

Susan B. Anthony called it "the horrible crime of child-murder."

[@thementalist1213]

The Live Action interview with Dr. Anthony Levatino is the right blend of emotion and scientific factual information on abortion.

[@tonyl3762]

@@rogermills2467 In what reality do you live in where "abortion" is not actually killing an infant, i.e./aka infanticide?

[@rukidding-y2c]

We ARE outnumbered. My state is lost. We are going to put abortion on demand into our constitution. I love Lila Rose. She is relentless without being nasty. Be bold. It's been my mantra to Catholics for a long time: Catholics be Bold. Don't concede. But you can disagree without being disagreeable. Trent: this is very good presentation. It is the way to go.

[@brigidwenner6847]

Are you a fellow New Yorker? I'm finding it so hard to take a nuanced approach to this. It feels like it's literally the end of the world.

[@rukidding-y2c]

@brigidwenner6847 Not necessarily talking about being nuanced. But being confrontational and threatening doesn't work. Like I said, Lila is a role model. Believe it or not, I am from the most pro choice state in the country, and it is not New York.

[@marccrotty8447]

​@@rukidding-y2cMaryland is probably the most proabortion State. And this includes most Catholics. Very sad.

[@rukidding-y2c]

@marccrotty8447 Well, that's too bad. Really. I'm not from Maryland either. I am from the first state that legalized abortion. Specifically legalized it way back when. Now, it is in our Constitution. Including the "right" to have others pay for it. It's a wonderful world we live in.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Didn't Rose vote for Donald Trump in spite of the fact that he only opposes 6% of abortions?

[@JoshSJoshingWithYa]

I'm an abolitionist Protestant, but I agree. We do need to abolish abortion, and voting for laws that decrease abortion rates help us with this. We need to push using heart-wrenching language, just as the pro-abortion side uses dehumanizing language. We need to refuse to meet the pro-abortion side on their terms and dismantle their arguments with all of the tactics of debate: logos, pathos, and ethos.

[@shishsquared]

Hey fellow Abolitionist Protestant!

[@tomlorenz4344]

Trying to eliminate abortion inducing meds is about as effective as enforcing Prohibition or anti pot laws.

[@shishsquared]

@tomlorenz4344 The moral imperative is such that it would be wrong not to try

[@tomlorenz4344]

@ your religion does not supersede the Constitution, besides different people have different morals. By your logic some day we’ll live under sharia law. No thanks

[@shishsquared]

@@tomlorenz4344 where does the Constitution get its power?

[@Ignatiusofantioch87]

I’m so annoyed that after such a huge victory, republicans are backing down and cowering away from being pro life. Let alone a Catholic like JD Vance. I know we’ll never have the perfect candidate to vote for, but it’s so frustrating.

[@jgr7487]

Trump is a "safe, legal, rare" pro-choicer, and JDV is making sure not to step on his toes. you can see it in all arguments about which they diverge.

[@littlerock5256]

I've heard it said that conservatives are just slower liberals. Vance is an example.

[@Ignatiusofantioch87]

@ I generally agree with that. What are we “conserving” at this point?

[@kevinphillips150]

What victory are you talking about? As for a 'perfect' candidate, no such thing, but then that is our fault. Look at how long there has been division within the Roman Catholic Church.

[@BahamutZero09]

I don't think I can blame politicians for 'backing down" I blame the activists and religious institutions for not convincing enough people tthat abortion is murder.

[@robertoalvarado3759]

You and all the Catholic KZbinrs are in my prayers. Thank you Trent

[@Masowe.]

What about other Christians and non believers?

[@thementalist1213]

​@@Masowe.I don't think his was an exhaustive statement. Your response seems to just be splitting hairs.

[@robertoalvarado3759]

@@thementalist1213thank you brother!

[@stooch66]

I think we need to adopt Pope Francis’ framing of this. He says that abortion is like hiring a hitman. I don’t think it’s just a cute or clever phrase. It’s a very incisive point: you have made a great mistake in fornicating and want the very foreseeable problem to go away. The greater point is we need people to avoid fornication and promiscuity. So, keep pushing the point: why is killing a baby a reasonable way of making your mistake go away? In most cases, the abortion is a result of a sexual Congress that was illicit. We need to change that culture and part of changing the culture is making people realize that they have to kill a baby in order to live such a life Just my two cents.

[@JiraiyaSama86]

The culture definitely needs to change. Which means we need to change people's hearts.

[@sixgunslime]

The sad thing is it's not just fornicators...plenty of married women get abortions just because it's "not the right time" or they'd rather focus on slaving away to corporations or the state. They've been conditioned to view children (and life itself) as a burden. Very depressing.

[@ji8044]

Catholics have never needed to hire hitmen. After all Hitler was a Roman Catholic, as were the majority of Nazi leaders.

[@tianamenezes7548]

This "abortion is like hiring a hit man" rhetoric will never work because the leadership in the current prolife movement are hell bent on only portraying the women who procure abortions as vulnerable victims rather than the murderers that they are. The law requires that you prosecute hitmen and the one who paid them to do it. With that same logic, both the abortionist and the mother should go to jail. Which should be the case. But for some reason no one in the prolife movement wants to reach that conclusion.

[@christopherfleming7505]

I liked your 2 cents.

[@Ael-tt6bd]

How any denomination of Christianity can be indifferent to this or supportive of pro-abortion politicians is baffling.

[@AmberAbyss-nh4lc]

Most protestants didn't start caring about abortion untlll the civil rights act was passed.

[@deancorso6693]

Lots

[@Masowe.]

Because the left it good at promoting evil, they have told Christians to not "impose" their views on anyone. This is why millions of Christians don't vote or speak out against evil. The left successfully convinced them to have their faith as a "private" thing

[@sivad1025]

It's not baffling to me. I grew up in a non-denominational evangelical church and was vaguely pro-life. But I really struggled to explain how a single-cell human is a person and why they should be treated as a person under the law The reason for this is that Protestantism has deficient theology. Protestants vaguely affirm the "apostolic traditions" but once you get into the philosophy of incarnation and personhood, things get dicey. This deficient theological framework provides room for slipping on important beliefs

[@Masowe.]

@sivad1025 I disagree, psalm139 or genesis1 makes it very clear that we all have dignity and value. If you stick to the bible then there is no argument. The problem is that too many pastors care more about emotions than preaching the truth. That doesn't mean that the truth isn't there, it just means that the truth is inconvenient to them

[@nickl120]

I think you're right that pro-lifers need to be bolder and go on the offensive. Every time we let the other side dictate the terms of the debate, we lose. We need to take control and focus on the central issue: "What are the unborn?"

[@Oneocna]

That’s a good question, what about a body that just lost brain function, which deserves more right?

[@nickl120]

@Oneocna are you asking whether an unborn child has a greater right to life than an adult who has lost brain function? If so, the two of them have an equal right to life, at least in that they equally deserve not to have their lives directly and deliberately ended. If the person without brain function can only be kept alive by use of extraordinary means like a ventilator, feeding tube, etc., then it's permissible to end the extraordinary treatment and let that person's life end naturally. That's not the same thing as intentionally ending their life, though.

[@Oneocna]

@@nickl120 well it is, intentionally removing resources that sustain life is intentionally ending a life. Also what do you think is more extreme extraordinary care, ventilation or being biologically attached to another person? Also fetus’s don’t have brain function either so you would be ok with taking away the resources that sustain their life and letting them end naturally right?

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@Oneocna People have gotten so used to “what about”s to justify abortion they dont even make sense with them any more. What purpose does your disconnected, non-dilemma serve? Which deserves life more? This isnt DEI.

[@Oneocna]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue what part does a body without brain function not have that a 48 cell fetus does?

[@Mallory-wn5gq]

I've been pro-life since I was three years old. Roe V Wade was overturned on my birthday and my family told me happy birthday Roe V Wade was overturned.

[@thementalist1213]

What a great birthday gift

[@ChachiTelevision1979]

Great point. I used to use very clinical words in my argument to show there is no contradiction in saying "fetus," "embryo," or "zygote" when referring to the baby in the womb, but the words are misused by the pro-abortion side to diminish their humanity. There is a place for zealousness, and maybe I should go back to saying "baby" as the default.

[@femaleKCRoyalsFan]

I’ve never been to a fetus shower, but I’ve been to a *baby* shower

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

I do. I say it to doctors and they respond robotically “fetus” because they’ve been well indoctrinated to dehumanize human babies.

[@Oneocna]

To be clear the pro life movement doesn’t care about science or medicine especially considering this topic. You definitely don’t care about the words. Pro life is an indefensible and nonsensical stance

[@newglof9558]

@@Oneocna when does life begin?

[@nightyew2160]

Maybe you could say "humans" both to emphasize their humanity and because zygotes, embryos, fetuses, and babies are only different because they're in different stages of human development.

[@corvinmull2408]

EVERY Christian denomination should come together to put out a joint statement and a campaign to fight against abortion. I'm talking from the very highest levels in the churches. We need to unite to fight this grave evil, regardless of our doctrinal differences!

[@jpanduezadlf]

The problem here is that protestant churches have the Pride Reformation Movement to look back on. They don't have highest levels of the churches to which they have to submit. If they don't like something, they just change to or create a new church.

[@dylanfritz3048]

In my home town (in Missouri) EVERY church (Catholic, Lutheran, non denominational, Baptist, there's so many) are giving out vote no on 3 signs and have no on 3 signs they are giving out for free to anyone. (Amendment 3 in Missouri is legalizing abortion) God bless their unity and God have mercy on the unborn souls

[@littlerock5256]

There is the Catholic Church and protestant denominations. Many of the latter are in favor of abortion as are many in the post Vatican II conciliar religion.

[@MrPladdy]

Look at their unity when a state was going to ban abortion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHKqmKywYquUec0si=yKJVXeN6sVTlM1iT They do not want to end abortion

[@ji8044]

We know the truth. The Pro-Life movement has no intention to stop with just clinical abortion. You intend to ultimately outlaw all forms of artificial birth control, even birth control pills.

[@atropinecaffeine]

"Man not telling women what to do with their bodies" is such a false argument and I am speaking as a woman. WOMEN are telling women not to kill their own babies. And all humans have the right to say "don't kill my child", be it man or woman.

[@nightyew2160]

Many women would also choose not to have dead grandchildren. If "my body, my choice" were true, it would be okay to outlaw all abortions past the age of possible viability, deliver the babies instead, and at least TRY to save their lives. If it were true, all failed abortion babies would be legally required to receive the same medical care as wanted babies. If she's no longer in your body, you don't get to kill her anymore. Give her up for adoption if you can't take care of a baby yourself. It's better for a child to be raised by strangers than to be killed. You can still have choices without choosing death. Otherwise, you're only erasing choices: a child's favorite animal, favorite ice cream flavor, favorite color, etc. Pro-choice is the lie.

[@tgm2474]

Seeing as how 4 of the 5 justices who dumped Roe are men and most state legislatures implementing anti-abortion are dominated by men, this is not so ridiculous an assertion.

[@461weavile]

My cousin literally said the braindead line that somebody is trying to control a woman's body in some sort of sexist way. I knew he's immoral, but I didn't know he's an idiot, too.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@tgm2474And as more "pro lifers" are honest about banning abortion for rape victims, deformities, and even to save the woman's life, more women will wake up and see that this isn't a movement that has their best interests at heart.

[@bakerboat4572]

​@@tgm2474 Why women would be so willing to throw out human life, purely for their selfish gratification and lifestyle desires, is the question I'm asking you.

[@benjaminshirley]

The issue is so many "pro-lifers" have no qualms with contraception and IVF ... the inconsistencies of this position are obvious to many "pro-choice" ppl. I agree with Trent on this... very few ppl, even those who claim to be 'good" Catholics are not willing to be consistent. The "pro-life" position has become the virtue signal of the political right... until they actually step in the ballot box.

[@sebastiankaczmarek635]

If you look into studies you will uncover that contraception decrease rate of abortion if anything catholic church should be in favor Source The complex relationship between contraception and abortion Author links open overlay panel by John Cleland

[@jonahstephens2904]

This is very true. A contraceptive mindset immediately leads into a pro-abortion mindset, especially after we consider just how many contraceptive methods are actually abortifacient.

[@ayoutubewatcher2849]

My position is im neutral of things like condoms (although i wouldn't promote it) since sperm and eggs are not a person. I never understood the confusion with defining a person. A person is living being who has a unique genetic code made up of their father and mother. Im willing to accept abortion up to heart beat as it gives significant margin for error in case our current research in when a baby feels pain occurs. This isnt because i dont see it as killing a person, but the best compromise I can make for those in tough situations and those who will never hold my beliefs.

[@JJ-zr6fu]

No your thinking is the problem. You’re fully pro life most people aren’t. It’s like converting someone first they’re interested but think there should be female priest over time as they grow in understanding they’re more devout than you

[@ecta9604]

It’s very true - it needs to be acknowledged that the logical conclusions of the pro-life prescription that a human is a person from the moment of conception are, morally speaking, fairly unprecedented and bizarre. The big one, for me is that if I should be picturing a toddler dying whenever I picture a fertilized egg dying, then we are in the middle of an absolute disaster - at least one in five pregnancies end in miscarriage, and a significant number of those miscarriages can be prevented. If toddlers were dying in comparable numbers, we’d have no problems imposing some pretty significant totalitarianism to protect those children. I feel absolutely no moral tug to defend a fertilized egg in a similar way - in fact, I think that imposing totalitarianism to prevent miscarriages is deeply wrong and morally repugnant - but I think that this sort of totalitarian state is the logical end-point of the whole “a fertilized egg is a person” thing. I think this is a big problem with the pro-life movement. Being consistent and owning that logical endpoint is necessary, but that endpoint pushes up against the existing borders of morality in a repulsive way - repulsive in that it genuinely pushes people away like an opposing magnetic force.

[@cinnamondan4984]

As a Latter-day Saint I am uncomfortable with my church’s stance on IVF and abortion which I feel is unschooled when compared with that of the principled Catholic stance.

[@JazzyJacksJokeShack]

Its one of the reasons I could never be LDS It claims to be the true Church with direct communications from God but fails to pass such a basic test as saying killing babies is ALWAYS WRONG. The Catholic Church on the other hand has been consistent since the 1st century, I'm pretty sure even the Didache straight up bans abortion. Not only that but the LDS position has become more lenient over time not less so. Its like a political policy position not a moral stance. It makes it pretty clear that the Catholic church is actually guided by the Holy Spirit and the LDS church is man made.

[@ShiloStigen]

I respect your willingness to be honest about your discomfort regarding IVF! We Catholics believe that marriage and procreation within marriage (husband, wife, children) foundationally reflect the love of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That core belief informs our teachings against contraception, abortion, and IVF, and for Natural Family Planning/NFP, preserving the life of the mother and the unborn baby, and diagnosing and treating underlying causes of infertility.

[@westernimpressions5232]

My two cents: Part of what drew me to Catholic Church is it unchanging teachings, even in the midst of unpopularity with the rest of society. Doctrines on faith & morals are, by their very nature, unable to alter if grounded in Truth. It's how we view marriage, IVF, abortion, etc. Best to you, friend

[@andrewdurfee3896]

As far as the discussion goes for abortion Dallin H. Oaks’s talk Weightier Matters goes into great detail. The church’s position is more nuanced and is not represented by either the pro-choice movement or the pro life movement. I looked up IVF and it is discouraged by the church. Learned something new today.

[@benabaxter]

I think you'll find this typical of most Mormon doctrine, unfortunately. It's more like a law than doctrine, a teaching for a time rather than arising out of some actual truth. It's right there in the title of "Doctrines and Covenants." While that suggests a distinction, I have found in either theory or practice there to be no distinction.

[@willembissett7223]

Trent, you are so wise, your videos never seem to amaze. I came upon you channel in my quest for the truth and is leading me from Protestant to Catholicism. Yes we will pray for you, and remember there is many that hope and pray for you continued success.

[@cadensanborn4919]

You cannot be lukewarm on murder

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

When is it not murder based on your viewpoint?

[@robert-de-calvary]

@@ShiniGuraiJoker it's always a murder

[@atuchel4714]

@@ShiniGuraiJokerBefore conception

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

@@atuchel4714 That sounds a bit vague and loaded. Care to expand on that?

[@michaelsterling2650]

@@ShiniGuraiJokerabortion is taking the life of another human being. Every time.

[@magamus.decimus.meridius]

The biggest issue I see with promoting a pro-life agenda is that we are attempting primarily to do it through the ballot box. I think that there will always be resistance to laws that ban abortion, IVF, surrogacy etc in our current cultural climate. We need a cultural shift. We need the culture as a whole to view abortion as abhorrent and unthinkable, and I don't think this shift can come from laws, It has to come from all people who oppose abortion standing up and building the culture of life in our country, and in our world.

[@kimanisko8566]

Agreed. We need a cultural shift that honors human life so very much that we would refrain from the act that generates it unless we are willing to bear the children that come into existence through it.

[@Xandliear]

Also to have survivors of abortion, rape, and adoption to come forward and let their testimony speak for itself. Particularly those who have an interest setting the record straight. You don't hear about their stories on really either side, at least not from what I have seen. It high time that they have a space to bring attention to the real effects of abortion. To have actually lived through it. That it is felt and is more than meets the eye... that it is undeniable. Personal experience in these instances can be the deciding factor to flip someone's position. Let's get these victims heard. If the pro abortion and leftist position comes from "compassion and empathy," then why not extend that to those who do survive?

[@redvelvet9215]

A cultural shift from how we view sx as pleasure to love

[@SirBlackReeds]

How does one even pull that off? We went from the Greatest Generation running the show to the baby boomers. For all the mistakes that the GG made, we still received statesmen like George H. W. Bush, John F. Kennedy, Gerald Ford, and more out of it. I get that not everyone's the biggest fan of Bush, but everyone who knew described him as a shining example of why character matters.

[@catholicguy3605]

If you live in FL vote no on 4

[@sivad1025]

And 3

[@supermandefender]

Saying Prayers for you Trent Horn. Please continue to be a voice for morality.

[@Jerome616]

Thanks Trent for highlighting that quote here 11:40. We must do what is possible when possible.

[@josephmduvo326]

Thank you Trent. And there are those who say they are Pro-Life, but vote Pro-Choice because they "don't want to push their opinion on others." Meanwhile these others can push their opinions on us. We can't continue to sacrifice children over other issues. If life, all human life, isn't important, neither are issues that will aid human life. This MUST be the forefront.

[@andis5289]

#1 thing I think the pro-life movement needs to do is push for FREE PRE & POSTNATAL CARE FOR WOMEN. I just had a baby last year. And even though I have a decent job with good insurance, I still had to pay close to 10k out of pocket for all my OB visits and a c-section birth. The only reason I was able to afford it was because my parents helped me financially. If you ask lots of women why they don't want to have kids, it's because it's crazy expensive to have one unless you're on Medicaid - which lots of working women don't qualify for. And if you ask lots of women who had abortions why they did it, you'll get this same answer. It's just too expensive! We need to get real about this, and quickly. Because until women feel like they have the support they need to have babies, many are going to continue to choose abortion, and even more are just going to decide not to have kids at all - which will lead to a population collapse.

[@youtubeKathy]

I support this. or at least make it easy for woman in need to apply and receive such care.

[@ji8044]

Republicans HATE health insurance and have always voted against it in every iteration. They just want to force you to have the baby, but after that you're on your own.

[@abaddon2148]

Luckily for you, the pro-life movement is full of folks who do absolutely everything to ensure you and every other person does not get free and adequate healthcare😂😂😂 "b-b-but socialism!!1!#-&2"

[@abaddon2148]

​@@ji8044 Amen! "Pro-life", my behind! I will only believe it when they actually live it...

[@feraligatorade99]

Zero income tax for the first year of natal care

[@RicardoMunoz-gf2sv]

We need to change the narrative of this problem too. This issue has now been label as a woman vs baby issue. Meaning that is you advocate for the baby you are against the woman. But we need to be wiser and change the narrative so people understand that pro-life, although advocating for the life of the baby, is also advocating for the life of the mother. Giving her the opportunity to do a great good by choosing to continue with her pregnancy.

[@youtubeKathy]

exactly, resources and support are needed for the mothers. I think I read that something like 70% of woman who supposedly chose abortion, felt pressured. either by job, family, significant other, or society in general. It's not much of a choice if you don't feel like you have one, is it? It is two bodies, not one. It is mother - and - child, and we should start taking about it as such.

[@ecta9604]

I mean, to be clear, you’re advocating to take away the woman’s autonomy in favor of the developing human’s. You aren’t advocating for the woman, as she loses her autonomy.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Are you giving her the choice (meaning that she could choose abortion) or are you forcing the "choice" of continuing the pregnancy on the woman? Huge difference there.

[@youtubeKathy]

@@ecta9604 “the developing humans”? You mean her child?

[@Imtiredofyourbs]

We need to focus on creating a community that doesn't make childbirth and raising a kid a debt woman will never overcome. Children are supposed to be raised in communities: among wise elders, in a trustworthy environment. It's disgusting and unnatural that women are afraid to give birth and raise children not because of normal reasons but the fact it takes her to sacrifice EVERYTHING she is, all ambitions, joy and dreams. Late stage capitalism is just an evil design that made women afraid of pregnancy more than of their own deaths. It makes giant profit from keeping mothers (especially single) miserable, unsupported and afraid. And also makes giant profit from abortions on the other hand. Women were led to believe that abortion can be good for them when it's dangerous, devastating and terrible. No woman WANTS an abortion. The world became so terrible that mothers feel that killing their own children will be better for them than putting them in this world of suffering and giving up all their dreams as well. It's a consequence of deliberate destruction of family unit for the sake of profit. In a good community or a huge supportive family woman would not have to be afraid of having a child (apart from obvious health concerns) because she knows this kid will always have support, love and care and she will still be able to have personality. Even in case of pregnancy from violence the relatives would show her enough love, support and care to make sure she heals and the child will always have many people to raise them. It's barely possible to raise a child on your own and we were fooled to believe it's a normal thing! This is why we need to stop participating in a giant system of evil that makes profit off human suffering and deaths. Return to villages, reconnect with our relatives or form new families, build relatively small but very united communities where a child would be raised basically by everyone and focus on empathy. Having a child is not supposed to be the end of life. We are social creatures and were made to live in groups with many other people of our kind that will all help care for our offspring and love. Capitalism and government is the root of evil!

[@bigredftk]

Agree, need to be bold in this fight. Word "life" is too abstract, instead here's some examples I would prefer. "Baby killing is not healthcare", "A Baby's body is not your body", "How about Baby's rights in mother's womb?", "Defend babies at all stages of life" etc.

[@garymitchell1558]

I live in the UK and we have a hopeless pro life m journey ahead of us. Yet I pray one day we will get there. The reality is we don't treat people that perform or have abortions like murderers. And I somewhat struggle with calling a women having an abortion a murderer because the reality is a lot of the women having them have been indoctrinated into believing that its not a baby so holding them moraly culpable is a difficult ballance

[@reizayin]

Focus on the tyranny your country is falling into first lol

[@seanwalsh5717]

Just making murder illegal is not enough to lower the murder rate. Plenty of places make murder illegal, but murder rates vary widely.

[@josephvictory9536]

But when your doctor who spends close to 1 million dollars in schooling and 20 years of his life risks his entire life investment over what he has to legally and publicly declare, or otherwise trust that he wont get busted. You absolutely can and will sharply drop the rate. Doctors are the number 1 conformers to power. They obey every little rule and detail and are high status and have far far too much to lose. Simply punishing or even threatening to punish them and they will flat out refuse to do it or suddenly find that all these alternatives exist without or with *less* risks. Covid made that obvious.

[@seanwalsh5717]

@@josephvictory9536 Yes, but when there are multiple states around where it is legal, most will find a way. Without a national ban, the abortion rate will follow the economy like usual (good economy = lower rate).

[@461weavile]

Some states may be able to create laws that make traveling out of state for an abortion illegal. An easy one would be to make it illegal for insurance companies to pay for abortion performed out of state, I think. IANAL.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@461weavileBanning out of state travel is HIGHLY unconstitutional. Texas has already tried it and was struck down. Sorry, you live in a nation governed by the Constitution, not the Bible.

[@461weavile]

@@Charlotte_Martel I clearly didn't say banning travel, and I didnt say anything about the bible. Why are you replying to me?

[@oldfashioned9461]

Unfortunately, I had an online debate in a comment section recently where I asked questions that based on the others response naturally lead to the conclusion that a person is in a woman from conception onwards. And yet they insisted that they do not push their beliefs on others and didn't engage the discussion at all about the killing of an innocent person. My point being, some pro-choice people have no desire to be logical about this. They just think it's a fundamental woman's right and men and pro-lifers should be silent.

[@captainhanpritcher]

This is the fundamental issue. We're not going to get results by "facts and logic-ing" harder or by being more blunt about abortion=baby murder. Most people *know* a human life is being taken, and they don't *care* . You cannot reason someone into our position in that state of affairs.

[@oldfashioned9461]

@captainhanpritcher I do think some may be persuaded by logic, but those likely are ones that agree it's wrong in many circumstances but perhaps not all that will follow and engage with logic. But for those that think it's truly women's healthcare and should have no restriction on it, unfortunately, they hold an irrational, evil position.

[@chrissubleski200]

This is a moral issue. The Church is the only organization that can change people's mind about abortion.....and they are silent!!

[@mamalisaof9]

As an Arizonan. I pray pray pray that the abortion prop does not pass. However, I'm deeply concerned because of the language that is being used to push the prop through. Such as not being able to help women in miscarriages. As someone who has sadly lost two babies since the overturning of Roe V Wade and had an incomplete miscarriage and needed medical attention I never once was told that I couldn't be helped. Its egregious. They are literally flat out lying in their ads

[@jinsil.v212]

"Pro choice" is a complete misnomer. No one is infringing on what a woman can and cannot do with her body. The issue is about the BABY's body which is unique from the mother's body. The whole argument against pro life (which actually makes sense as a term) is built on an incorrect reframing. In fact, there is NO choice granted for the baby's body. The biggest prevailing misconception on this issue.

[@tgm2474]

The issue is about the baby? Sure... There's no other person involved... just an incubation tank that resembles a person. This is a fantastic illustration of why pro-life people are failing in their message. Keep it up.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Serious question: do you, unlike the Catholic Church, allow for artificial (aka effective) birth control? If not, then you are giving the woman absolutely no choice.

[@jinsil.v212]

@@Charlotte_Martel yes, nothing wrong with birth control imo. That's exactly the point in time where you should be making the choice over whether to have a baby or not.

[@jinsil.v212]

@@tgm2474 who said the mother is an incubation tank? But to say that she is exercising a choice for herself while she simultaneously gets rid of a baby (I'm still using mild terms) and overrides its choice, is a complete misrepresentation of what's actually going on. The mother made her choice when having unprotected intercourse.

[@DonkasaurusNZ]

@@jinsil.v212 re birth control, does that include the morning after pill, and IUD's? Those forms of contraception stop a zygote from implanting, which means conception has already happened and some people think life has begun.

[@johanfick3932]

Great commentary Trent! Thank you for the work you do. I pray that God will continue to bless your ministry.

[@SteveKilgore27]

You know this video is gonna be a banger when KZbin adds a note underneath it!

[@stephenbailey9969]

Laws that restrict abortion won't stop abortion, not any more than it did previous to Roe v. Wade. The better path has always been to lovingly persuade, to offer inexpensive alternatives, and to help women economically through the pregnancy and post-partum periods.

[@divinecomedian2]

We need both but yes changing hearts is the only longterm solution

[@neighborhoodthreattv]

Laws against abortion disincentivize them since most people don't want to do illegal things, and also make having an abortion more dangerous, which further disincentivizes them. Laws against murdering adults don't stop that, either, but heavily curb it.

[@stephenbailey9969]

@@neighborhoodthreattv There have always been abortions, regardless of the laws. Across the millennia, methods have been discovered and passed on, one person to another. The purpose of persuasion and teaching, on the other hand, is to encourage a transformative change in motivation. When people are different, then the laws don't matter. That goes for all types of personal behavior.

[@brokula1312]

Trent, please continue even harder. Your work is pleasing to mind and soul. I just need a dose of sanity, and this channel is one of the rare ones to do that. Can you please post info on how I can give financial support?

[@jeb.bush.2016]

I feel like deep down Trump, JD and most political figures like them deep down know that abortion in all cases is bad. But there's really no good to come of campaigning on this, unfortunately. Not only will it only lose them votes, but it's darned near impossible to put a national abortion ban. Roe v. Wade's over-turn pretty much means a national abortion law (permitting or banning abortion) impossible until the supreme court swaps seats.

[@sivad1025]

Does Trump though? He doesn't believe in the gospel, he's had plenty of sexual exploits and his wife is super pro choice. Trump has openly said that 6 weeks is too little time and needs to be longer Pretending Trump is pro life is wishful thinking

[@James_Wisniewski]

We've gotta stop using their language and start calling it what it is: murder.

[@RootsofOrthodoxy]

Would love to have a conversation with you regarding pro-life and debunking abortion myths, the smokescreen of “women’s bodily autonomy” etc. God bless!

[@Charlllot]

I thought the same thing while listening to Vance on Rogan. You're making great points about accepting small incremental victories.

[@Lucyriofrio]

Thank you Trend! You are absolutely right about the way we communicate. Praying for all of you!

[@jtbasener1810]

I was just recently debating a friend about abortion. It really disgusts me that this act of wide-spread age-based genocide still dwells in our society under the guise that it is the best choice for the very women who are among its victims. I'll certainly pray for you, dear brother, and all those in your good mission. Thank you for all you said here. God bless everyone!

[@garalipe]

As someone said how can we say that there is life in Mars but that there isn't one in a woman's womb? Keep up the good work! Regards from Lima, Peru.

[@DeSmith-o4b]

The Abolitionist movement is what Christians need to support. Pro Life has actively blocked abortion abolition laws and have been working with Pro Choice for the past 40 years. Abolitionists Rising is a good group.

[@FoodFreedomUSA]

3:31 PRO-ABORTION not pro “choice” most women are not actually choosing anything. They are panicked and fearful and the system preys on that. That’s coercion not choice. Choice requires full consent through full DISCLOSURE.

[@briantrafford4871]

If pro-abortion supporters want to argue against the unborn being human persons, then we should ask them if they consider them to be sub-humans. This will force them to face the real consequences of their belief on this issue.

[@0nshore]

15:53 to your point on the strategy of incremental progress, I think a specific thing we could do is push legislation that requires abortion providers to show the mother an ultrasound in a pre-abortion appointment, and maybe a graphic that shows what is going to happen in the abortion. That could help not only reduce the amount of abortions, it could also make more people pro-life. It would also be easier to get into law then a full on abortion ban.

[@winstondavis4831]

9:40 I like this framing. “Life” is an abstract concept. “Baby” is a real thing with a real image attached. Also, “pro-life” can be so abused and misused rhetorically. Like how leftists will say “You’re not really pro-life unless you support X” and really it’s just a redirection tactic to talk about something else. UnamSanctamCatholicam had a good blog post on the abuse of the term ‘pro-life’

[@katiedid8192]

Saw a podcast where 5 pro - choice people were shown what happens in an abortion through pictures and then asked if they were still pro choice and all 5 said they no longer believed in abortion. I have also talked with mature women in their 70 s and they did not understand how abortions were done.

[@johnglad5]

Murder is murder and will remain murder forever. I wonder if those having abortions look into what is really happening. I have never had the chance to vote pro-life. Trust in the Lord

[@MyElohim7]

Amazing video! I will praying for you Trent!

[@enderknight39]

Trent, what are your thoughts on the American Solidarity Party?

[@TheHaas123]

The NUMBER ONE problem with the pro life movement is that we don’t have an actual movement. There are zero organizations that I am aware of that actually do the work. There are organizations that CLAIM to do the work but don’t actually do anything. There are organizations who do different work, on helping individuals make the choice of life (which is amazing work and I salute them) but don’t have any impact on political action and changing minds about what the law should be. The worst part is we have organizations that pretend to be organizations that help change minds and advocate for pro life policy, yet they don’t. All they do is make videos on social media and throw parties to virtue signal. The biggest one is Live Action and Lila Rose. They’ve got a job to do and they don’t do it. Yet they attack politicians who won’t do their job for them. Up until November 5th we had lost EVERY SINGLE referendum. It’s only thanks to the leadership of Ron Desantis and Donald Trump that we didn’t lose Florida’s referendum in November. But they get no credit. Meanwhile Lila rose gets her 300K a year salary and free dresses and parties to virtue signal. I care deeply about this issue. And even I don’t want to be associated with them. But many people don’t care deeply about this issue. Those people are voting against us. Even if they’re conservative. They’re voting against us bc we don’t give them a reason to vote for them. Ron Desantis can get away with tying his political career to abortion (which btw he refused to do until AFTER he won in a landslide) bc he won in a landslide. Most politicians can’t. Pro lifers need to organize. We need to campaign. We need to spend money on these campaigns and go out and door knock, phone bank, raise awareness not about the horrors of abortion but that an election is taking place and why we have the better vote.

[@glen-y8p]

This reminds me of the advice I got when I was helping canvass for retaining the 8th amendment in irelands 2018 on removing the right to life - that in itself was a lesson in how far to the bottom the pro choice movement was willing to go. The led canvasser told us “always bring it back to the baby”

[@PainlessRockinb]

4:00 I totally agree. Pro-life cannot be pro choice at this point. The Body of the Church needs to all be on the same page...

[@MotherLovingChristian]

Let’s pray for our leaders!

[@EdgardoSilva-od3td]

I’ve committed this mistake before, now I see clearly why it is. Thank you Trent.

[@nickw9766]

These are good points. I will say that our hierarchy and priests in general have abandoned their flocks during the election years in the past. Many Catholics like myself felt abandoned by them. These guys have done so precious little to educate their flocks about abortion, contraception etc. cowards. there is a lot that is yet to be desired as far as the pro-life movement goes.

[@OneCatholicSpeaks]

I’ve thought about a 1-2 tactic on responding to abortion. Go the route of asking about abortions of convenience and then follow up with the fact that there are waiting lines for adopting newborns.

[@artisdead2]

This whole language battle is similar to “What is a woman?” Everyone knows what a woman is but people pretend it’s this “concept” or “identity”. We need a documentary or a movement now I guess where we start asking them “what is an abortion?” We all know the answer but we have to make them answer it in depth.

[@MiniLinlin]

In a way, I'll never understand why get into the trouble of risking getting pregnant if people aren't going to be responsible for what they do. So sad.

[@JoAnnFuir]

People need to take responsibility for their actions.

[@jaimeperez2496]

Three things my friend. 1. Pro Life is a very wide issue, even in the Catholic part, implies more than abortion; but I don't see a clear hierarchy of issues or interrelationship or anything systematic in the teaching given to the Catholic. In my experience there are some that want to only speak about abortion and nothing else; then other open to other issues, but then reduce the importance of abortion over, let say, human promotion of the poorest of the world. 2. The language about abortion (very well used by the defenders of the abortion) is not anymore about who is in the womb, but what is the women's body and their right over their own. But if we call human cell to a microscopic cell that is human; human heart, human liver, human brain, human bones... Human from the most tiny part of the being that is called human; the lack of calling the who that is there will make the conversation about two different topics... The language needs to be disruptive, clear and evident; to break the impossible conversation between one person that believes one thing about the women's body and the other that is speaking about the human being growing and maturing the way all his/her life would be. 3. Legislation is a little difficult to understand in certain "anthropological principle". Try to follow me here: When an unborn human being is killed by his/her parent(s). That is not killing a human being. But... A pregnant woman is killed... Is a double homicide in more than 30 states. Who was killed besides the woman? Here text in this site www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2020/WorkGroups/House%2520Human%2520Services/Bills/H.57/Public%2520Comment/H.57~Kevin%2520Haynie~Public%2520Comment~2-6-2019.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiMo-fy7sKJAxUProQIHW7UN6gQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw22tQdOhQULtrNc-aS6WDCO Why is it considered a double homicide in 30+ states in this union if a pregnant woman is murdered if an unborn baby has no rights? This is entirely inconsistent with H.57 and confirms that the American people (including Vermont) believe that an unborn baby *does* have a right to life, not the blatant disrespect for life as it is worded in this bill: "A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus shall not have independent rights under Vermont law.' I would ask all supporters of this bill this one question: " H.57 is nothing more than a thin veil to protect murder rights of those who would seek to destroy life for their own comfort and convenience. Please think before voting for this all-too all encompassing and general bill

[@youtubeKathy]

yes, need to get legislature that gives the unborn legal status. I think many of the general public will support this. Most people are not in support of late term abortion, that would be a good start. Most people don't deny that its a baby in the third trimester. It might not save as many, but it will put it in peoples minds again that this is a baby, and have something in writing to work with. This alone would help to transform peoples minds about children in the womb.

[@verdaniacreator]

I had a brief debate with a friend the other day. We're both prolife and live in Ohio. Before the terrible abortion amendment passed last year, we tried to pass an earlier stipulation to make it harder to change the state constitution. He said he disliked that because it felt like an underhanded political move, which I disagreed with a) because government should be slow moving, as it's not meant to be a quick change service for whatever trends come, and b) because there is nothing wrong with using the political system as it was meant to be used. But I liked how your phrased this Trent. It reaffirms me in my position.

[@tgm2474]

It's just as important for a functioning government to have consistency and stability. The Ohio maneuver was sleazy because it broke precedent for a single issue... and it had the nerve to lose. The rigging process to have an August ballot - against the law - was dirty. And while a 60% vote to change a constitution supports stability, the vote was clearly tied to disrupting a single initiative rather than promoting stability.

[@OmegaShadeslayer]

A federal abortion ban is a dogshit idea. A single democrat majority can upturn it, whereas if its handled on a state level it can effectively be made permanent.

[@rogerhelou9164]

Thank you Trent, we have to be bold and aggressive on issues so crucial in the culture.

[@sixpenceproductionsLLC]

We need to do everything we can to pursue a change in the culture.

[@aguilacec]

Thank you Trent. You are a strong voice for us not become insensitive. We have to continue fighting for the unborn.

[@kapitankapital6580]

The pro-choice movement, as with so many of the evil political movements currently dominant in this world, is a challenge to the righteous. We cannot simply impose morality down on people, we must fight to make more people righteous and true-hearted. Even these sin movements ultimately serve God's glory, because they necessitate evangelism. Truly He can beat a straight path with a crooked rod.

[@Gio-ce8ob]

People’s, especially women’s attitude on killing a baby in the room is truly disturbing. I’m definitely praying for you and I’m gonna do all I can. God bless!

[@berto2125]

You will never win against pro choice until you gain there trust again. Make it affordable to raise a family again.

[@GothVibeWars]

That's one way to be cunning like Trent said.

[@ronjackson6235]

We must continue to pray, fast, be charitable, and do penance for our own conversion and for ALL people .

[@cornfedlife]

Do penance for all people? 🤔

[@jpanduezadlf]

I've always thought that education should be the first step. A law that forces Planned Parenthood and other abortion clinics to show in the lobby tvs the echographs of the abortions being performed in the clinic at that time (as well as showing the abortion and the remains of the fetus to the woman who's having an abortion).

[@thisis_chavez]

Our Lady of Guadalupe, Help of Christians, pray for us

[@aszechy]

The biggest problem is allowing the debate on abortion to be framed as a women's rights issue. There is only one question here and that is what we need to be talking about: what is that in the womb? Is it a living human being or not? Because no one would argue that a woman has the right to kill, say, her 3 month-old baby, no matter what dire circumstances she's in...

[@tgm2474]

Only one question. Seriously?! This is a fantastic illustration of why pro-life people are failing in their message. Keep it up.

[@aszechy]

@@tgm2474 Pray tell me: what other question is there? Do you know of any circumstance that justifies the killing of a human being? (Self defence, I guess... So yeah, I do think abortion is Ok if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother, and that's my only exception.) All those other questions you're probably thinking about (does the mother want a baby, what are her financial and other circumstances, is the baby healthy etc.) would of course be very important, but only if you believe that what is in her womb right now is not, in fact, a living human being, so cutting it up/scraping it out and depositing in the hazardous waste bin might be an acceptable course of action.

[@Charlotte_Martel]

​@@aszechyThe primary question is does one individual have the right to use the body of another to stay alive if the other person does not consent to such use? The famous Violinist analogy shows how ghastly this scenario is in every circumstance but pregnancy in the minds of many. Your child cannot sue you to provide organs or blood once he/she is born even if the refusal to donate will mean his/her premature death. The pregnant woman should not be forced to sustain a non viable foetus if she does not choose to do so.

[@aszechy]

@@Charlotte_Martel Well, I'm glad we at least agree that abortion should not be allowed past the point where the baby is viable outside the womb... As for using the mother's body, children do that for a long time after they are born... If I don't use my body to get up regularly, even in the middle of the night to feed my baby and it starves, I will be prosecuted for negligent homicide. And the baby is already using the mother's body to live at the point when the abortion is considered, so the transplant analogy would go more like: can I ask for my kidney back once you already recieved it? (Even if I never consented in the first place: lets assume my kidney was removed without my consent by a group of organ traffickers and ended up in an innocent person who believed it was from a legal origin and whose life depends on it - sure, the traffickers will be punished, but can I get my kidney back?)

[@tgm2474]

@@aszechy Legally acceptable justifications for killing a person: war, capital punishment, defense against kidnapping, defense against serious bodily harm. Florida and Texas have really gone to the mat on this one: the FEAR that one will be harmed (aka stand your ground). So there are many justifications. A couple of those are even relevant here. Now, regarding your question about questions, here's one: how do we balance the rights of two people, say a fetus and a mother, when they come in conflict? Here's another question I like to ask: why should I care more about some fetus than I care about my own freedom? If you want me to support a pro life position, I need an answer. Those are just two of many. There is certainly not "only one."

[@Johnthestudent]

Your intelligent analysis always gives me strength. I agree with your comment that we should have a prepared question. Socrates said you persuade people by asking questions that they can’t answer; not by telling people that they are wrong.

[@MrSggurcs]

2:23 and on that note...im taking a sober look at democracy

[@davidwagner5583]

Mmmm great point

[@jonahstephens2904]

2022 shattered my confidence in democracy and advocacy for it.

[@GGM20000]

This is the best video I have seen that include philosophical logics and biblical references.

[@Keine_alte_Sabine]

This entire debate is tiresome because it is done with emotions and not core principles. Plus people fall for traps because they are so uneducated. 💔

[@greengandalf9116]

Its suprising to me that Trent mentioned marital rape, given the Catholic church's stance on the marital debt.

[@danielfoliaco3873]

1. Use baby word (not pro life, pro baby) 2. Help women not kill their children (life is abstract, women are concrete) 3. Trust in God's victory ✌🏼

[@guzlemuzle]

I live in arizona. A huge democrat organization is paying people to vote for abortion bill that would legalized up to 9 months. It’s getting very dark here

[@Izadoreseville]

Why will you not debate andrew wilson from the crucible, or have a conversation about cultural strategy in debates, since you both have distinct styles, and seem to have great success

[@nathanpettijohn3236]

To be honest, pro-lifers showed they would not be reliable at the ballot box, so politicians had to distance themselves. It was sad. Now pro-life politicians think they have to dodge the issue to get elected. The response by many pro-lifers has seemed to be to complain about this and vote less. My personal thoughts are that we should pray over it and vote more. Your thoughts? God bless you all! :)

[@MultiJpad]

Ive met people who knew that the unborn were human they didnt care.

[@funguswungus2918]

The GOP is deeply embarrassed of “pro-lifers” post-Dobbs and is trying to shake them off like a bad rash so that they can go back to the important stuff like cutting taxes for corporations and privatizing social security. I will be voting ASP for the foreseeable future.

[@youtubeKathy]

The candidates are not perfect but don’t forget Trump overturned RoevWade

[@pamelabilnoski1535]

Praying for you Trent! God bless the work you do! ❤

[@newglof9558]

You fix the abortion issue by addressing the sexual revolution issue.

[@kimanisko8566]

Absolutely!! So few people are addressing this side of the matter.

[@tgm2474]

Yeah, that's never going back.

[@newglof9558]

​@@tgm2474yeah you'd be surprised.

[@befast1973-g2f]

Yes, embryos are often destroyed during in vitro fertilization (IVF): Thaw process: Some embryos may be damaged or destroyed when thawed and prepared for transfer. Genetic testing: Not all embryos pass genetic testing. Implantation: Not all embryos implant in the uterus. Pregnancy loss: Not all embryos that implant lead to a healthy baby.

[@Grason20]

This is my personal opinion, but pro-lifers should embrace IVF, as there are couples that want to have babies, but they can't (those that are infertile due to medical condition, for example) While for the weaknesses of the IVF... I'll leave it to the researchers on improving it.

[@Imtiredofyourbs]

​@@Grason20there are many already living children that need loving parents. No need to create more through generic modification that kills many embryos in order to make a single healthy one.

[@asimhussain8716]

Trent, I thoroughly enjoy listening to your conversations, such as your debates with Destiny, but I'm having trouble agreeing with the pro-life position (I'm not Christian or religious, but I respect the values). The fact of the matter is simple, and that is a fetus in early development considered a person, or more accurately, is it wrong to end a life before it really begins. I'm sure a similar example hypothetical has been used before, but I haven't heard a rebuttal that I find compelling: Imagine we have nano technology implanted in a woman. A sperm is approaching an egg, but RIGHT before it touches the egg, the nanomachines destroy the sperm. Is there something wrong with this? Or if it just decided to destroy the egg prior to fertilization? Now imagine if the nanomachine just barely missed the sperm and its one second into the process of joining with the egg. Would obliterating this be wrong? I'm not convinced there is an issue with this IF the former scenario is also not a problem. I think a lot of pro-choice share similar intuition despite being too dumb to articulate it.

[@maryangelica5319]

So for Catholics both scenarios are wrong, but they are wrong for different reasons. The first is generally wrong because contraception is (generally) wrong ( there may be an exception, perhaps, if you are preventing conception from rape). The second, assuming the conception already occurred, is homocide of a human zygote ( this is way past the sperm touching the egg and is post fusing of the two cells into one). It's wrong because directly killing innocent humans is always wrong.

[@m.f.5739]

Looking at it from a biological perspective, there's a huge difference. A single sperm or egg does not show any sign of life, plus it doesn't have the genetics of a complete human. As soon as they are combined however, we have an organism which fulfills the criteria for a living being and has a distinct genome of a human. The question isn't if an unborn baby, even in its earliest stages, is alive. It is if it is ok to take a human life and if it is, for what reasons.

[@ugochib]

@@asimhussain8716 This is how I view the pro-choice pro-life movement: Either the fetus is a human and abortion is wrong as it constitutes murder, or abortion is an amoral practice, and should be legal in any stage of pregnancy, not just ending the pregnancy itself but termination of the fetus even past the point of fetal viability if the mother and doctor consent to it. The pro-life movement believes that the fetus is a human at the moment of conception. The pro-choice movement lacks a unilateral position on personhood therefore it widely varies from as earlier as a few weeks to the unborn not qualifying as a human until birth.

[@ugochib]

@@asimhussain8716 This is how I view the pro-choice pro-life movement: Either the fetus is a human and abortion is wrong as it constitutes murder, or abortion is an amoral practice, and should be legal in any stage of pregnancy, not just ending the pregnancy itself but termination of the fetus even past the point of fetal viability if the mother and doctor consent to it. The pro-life movement believes that the fetus is a human at the moment of conception. The pro-choice movement lacks a unilateral position on personhood therefore it widely varies from as earlier as a few weeks to the unborn not qualifying as a human until birth.

[@ugochib]

@@asimhussain8716 This is how I view the pro-choice pro-life movement: Either the fetus is a human and abortion is wrong as it constitutes murder, or abortion is an amoral practice, and should be legal in any stage of pregnancy, not just ending the pregnancy itself but termination of the fetus even past the point of fetal viability if the mother and doctor consent to it. The pro-life movement believes that the fetus is a human at the moment of conception. The pro-choice movement lacks a unilateral position on personhood therefore it widely varies from as earlier as a few weeks to the unborn not qualifying as a human until birth.

[@ToddJambon]

I think a massive area where we've lost is that I've seen tons of men out there who don't even think about this issue because they are told by the media that it's a women's issue. They act like they aren't allowed to comment. Well, according to biology and how my children came into the world, it takes a man and a woman to get a woman pregnant. So when are these wussy fathers going to step up and fight for their kid's life? You have a responsibility to your kids, even in the womb. Especially in the womb. Sure, the woman has to carry the baby. And yes, it has a huge impact on their body during and after the pregnancy. That doesn't mean the woman has the sole right to choose to kill the baby. My dad is the caretaker for my mom, who has Parkinson's. It takes a toll on him mentally and physically every day and he doesn't get a break. And it's lasted way more than 40 weeks, and will likely continue for ten or so more years. Does he have a right to kill her because she is dependent on him for survival and caring for her takes a toll on his life/body? There was a prolife guy running for, I think, governor in North Carolina. He went on some tirade on an interview where he placed the blame for abortion solely on women. It was disgusting. It is both mothers and fathers who are allowing abortions to happen.

[@vongslayer7338]

First get power. Then be bold

[@jackieo8693]

Boldness may come first?

[@vongslayer7338]

@@jackieo8693 Being bold without power is useless. Being bold with power enacts change. Big difference

[@jackieo8693]

@vongslayer7338 you have to be bold to gain power

[@vongslayer7338]

@@jackieo8693 Not true. Being bold when you're unpopular actually causes you to lose power

[@jackieo8693]

@vongslayer7338 how do you know

[@Cklert]

In the vein of being as wise as serpents, I think the first thing we need to do is change policy on maternity leave. This affects women, especially single women who lack many financial options. Encouraging women with financial security would be a good start. Plus as Catholics we should always promote the basis of familial relationships. A mother should feel joy, not stress in being with her child.

[@nicoledidyk2669]

Thank you, Trent. You give us hope and courage.

[@Un-Apologetix]

As always, Trent is on point. 💯👌🏼

[@RealLifeIronMan]

It is not pro-choice vs pro-life. It is pro-abortion vs pro-baby.

[@bryanforeman4144]

Texas is a anti-abortion state, not a pro-life state. If a decade ago the state government had matched the anti-abortion rhetoric with pro-adoption action, like fully covering the costs of adoption for Texas residents, Texas would have been a leading pro-life example. As it is now, the Texas Attorney General treats abortion as a fatal car wreck and is looking for some to prosecute. It's all backwards, if we would just remove the financial burdens of pro-life choices and act like we give a rip, abortion would become rare and possibly non-existant.

[@abaddon2148]

And btw, pro-choicers will always (and to an extent, rightfully) see this as a massive hypocrisy among pro-lifers, and the fact that so-called "pro-lifers" are often adamantly against programs like this because of stupid sht like "b-but socialism" does not give the pro-life movement a good look AT ALL.

[@tgm2474]

That's what happens when you try to merge inconsistent philosophies into a party just to collect votes. Nothing about the Republican platform makes life a priority, except on this one issue.

[@sivad1025]

No it wouldn't. People view abortion as birth control. No amount of economic support will convince 20 year old women who sleep around and don't want to have kids that the life of their baby matters Your mindset is part of the problem. We need to wake up and realize how bad the situation is

[@bryanforeman4144]

@ That is a sweeping characterization that is not true. Some people view it that way. Just because people think that does not we shouldn't do as I suggested. Either you are pro-life or you are not, Texas is anti-abortion, not pro-life. When my wife and I could not have kids of our own, it was cost prohibitive for us to adopt, far exceeding the cost of a pregnancy. I wonder how many other couples were like us, how many kids needed a home and the purchase price too high. It is convenient to be anti-abortion and be unconcerned for the consequences of that policy at the state level. Alas, I am shouting into a tornado, too many people do not give a rip. I think that includes you.