What the PS5 Pro Means for Xbox’s Present and Future - Unlocked 659

We open this week's Xbox podcast by marking Destiny's 10th anniversary and then discussing the present and future for both the long-running shooter and Bungie itself, as well as what's riding on Bungie's next big project in Marathon. Then we give our thoughts on the Minecraft movie teaser before moving into our main topic: the PS5 Pro's widely panned unveiling and what it means for Xbox in both the present and the future.

[@Aeterna_Soul]

30:05 - Console talk

[@corronord]

salute

[@KarlDag]

The hero we needed

[@TruRacer]

Ty

[@Vlaakster]

Thanks!

[@SoraFinalForm47]

So nobody is gonna mention the 600 dollar 2tb series x?

[@craigsampson3386]

Xbox team sweeping that one under the rug hoping nobody else would bring it up lol.

[@superbadisfunny]

Everybody rather bad on Sony right now lol Xbox gets it enough.

[@kamil_atakan]

it has a disc drive and can stand on its own try again next time

[@superbadisfunny]

​@@kamil_atakanand not as powerful. Try again next time.

[@SuperChampion206]

Just pre ordered The Xbox series x 2 TB Galaxy Black Edition

[@Old-School-Liberal]

30:53 It took 30mins to get to the title of the video!

[@ericcarlton87]

This makes all the more sense as to why the next Xbox should be a hybrid PC/console, it almost has to be. We’re getting into the realm of PC prices so for justification purposes alone, MSFT must make the new console a hybrid system.

[@bigfootwalker5399]

Xbox fans never want what Xbox does, but they always want what Xbox should've done!

[@Cullenprime]

The tired inflation excuse.

[@BasketCase-rr7tx]

Doesnt matter what the excuse is because the price isnt actually the issue. The issue is that they failed to show people why the machine is worth that price. Its typical of Mark Cerny, he is terrible at this kind of thing. Remember when he reveleaed the PS5 specs? he put everyone to sleep, it was one of the most boring presentations of a console ever.

[@xacvhFAs]

@@BasketCase-rr7tx$700 isn’t an issue? Sorry but you are actually braindead.

[@saintsalieri]

Inflation is a real phenomenon.

[@Ample17]

The inflated tire excuse

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@BasketCase-rr7tx That original PS5 video was about the technical specs of the console. That's why Mark Cerny was the one speaking throughout. It wasn't meant to be some E3-level reveal of the console itself.

[@rolexdpracer]

The Series S is pound for pound the most value I've ever gotten out of a console going back to Atari 2600. Yes, I'm that old. lol

[@illestcatnnebraska7331]

Delayed games and 30fps 😮. Ok 👌

[@Ballistic-vn6em]

​@@illestcatnnebraska7331Delayed games? Like... one?

[@AnEyeRacky]

PS1. PS2. PS3. X360. PS4....all provided more value for the price

[@illestcatnnebraska7331]

@@Ballistic-vn6em black myth wukong

[@PakluPapito]

Series S + GP Ultimate = 👌

[@John117M63]

Every one of these youtubers keeps saying a handheld with steam is going to save xbox. We already have that dude, its called a steamdeck, rog ally, msi claw, lenowo legion, and 10+ handhelds on amazon. Another windows handheld will do nothing for xbox.

[@craigsampson3386]

Exactly.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

And it won’t be cheap. Xbox won’t subsidize it if it has steam. It doesn’t look like any of the big three console manufacturers are now. Nintendo started it a while ago and Sony/xbox aren’t either. Never seemed like a sustainable business model anyway.

[@craigsampson3386]

@aaronwalsh8469 exactly. Steamdeck is the best seller in that area and its only sold like under 5 or 4 million. Also the Series X 2TB with paint splatter is $600 😬 it makes the PS5 Pro look like a bargain.

[@Shannon-ul5re]

It makes no sense, it’s been done. It will be interesting to see what MS are cooking though.

[@craigsampson3386]

@@Shannon-ul5re it makes perfect sense for Xbox specifically, as they're always trend chasers _not_ trend setters.

[@AmirLiberty]

Sony has become the Apple of gaming industry!

[@moodurr13]

....Hmmm Then what is PC? 🤔

[@JSilv3r]

@@moodurr13 Xbox 😂

[@chrisbrown113096]

Omg this comment is so original

[@superbadisfunny]

​@@chrisbrown113096 omg this comment is so original

[@chrisbrown113096]

@superbadisfunmy more original than OP

[@aullintv]

Xbox already made their mid gen refresh. The Firestick

[@Ryanlexz]

😂😂😂😂

[@4321tim]

😂😅😂😅

[@sgomez8194]

Nintendo is going to kill it with a Switch 2 announced at around $370-$430 price range.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

$400 most likely.

[@fawkkyutuu8851]

Don't be surprised If Switch 2 Is $450 which Is fine imo.

[@Spartan_83]

@@PSYCHOV3N0M They are the only ones with real exclusives so it's worth it plus it will be mobile and cheaper than a Steam Deck/Rog

[@benjamincurtis1412]

Let's be honest. XBOX didn't do a mid-gen refresh because the SERIES X isn't selling and it being held back by the SERIES S.

[@hababacon]

Next hardware move for Microsoft is a firestick.

[@storkman]

Huh?

[@superbadisfunny]

​@@storkman it already happened.

[@Blindsyde5762]

2TB Storage isnt a lot of storage. Especially if youre talking about games that will be even larger data files than ever because of enhanced texture packs for a "pro" system.

[@craigsampson3386]

Exactly finally somebody gets it, Sony made the right choice doubling the SSD storage capacity instead of including a disc drive ballooning the cost which only a small percentage of people actually use discs. Also luckily if 2TB still isn't enough as games get bigger they still let you use any branded M.2 SSD to expand storage even further which helps keep costs down unlike Xbox using proprietary storage solutions.

[@thefattmish]

Don't forget... The lower powered Xbox Series X with 2TB HDD is currently $599 ($100 cheaper) than the PS5 Pro. It seems relatively in line... But it's still a lot!

[@letschatMwithJ]

Has a disk drive and can set in any direction so it’s probably about 200 cheeper in total. Not as powerful though of course

[@Luke973T]

​​@letschatMwithJ 80 percent of sales on ps are digital if I'm not mistaken. Has to be even less physical sales for xbox since it promotes game pass so heavily.

[@letschatMwithJ]

@@Luke973T still it doesn’t matter. Yall complain about no physical media anymore. At least Xbox gives you the option. And that’s the point is that you have the option with the ps5 pro but … imagine that it’s an extra $80. It’s just is screaming Apple. Lol.

[@Luke973T]

@@letschatMwithJ oh well too bad.

[@parsiabolouki7685]

That's a special edition + it has a disk drive + it has 2 TB

[@dirkmcousky500]

Brand loyalty is a hell of a drug

[@Clark_Kenttt]

Gaming should be fun and affordable. Xbox Series S is the right way to go.

[@illestcatnnebraska7331]

The gaming hobby should continue to innovate and push boundaries

[@arthurcarezzato5360]

Totally agree with you!

[@PakluPapito]

Love my Series S

[@MichaelM28]

If you want a console with no games and 30fps then sure

[@jamesmiller4049]

And it can be with consoles like that. But why can’t there be premium consoles like the PS5 Pro as well? Best of both worlds.

[@gaminggarbage22]

36:47 Thank you for clarifying on why the Pro isn't automatucally going to play and outshine better.

[@blackfish95]

The PS5 Pro is going to be CAD $959.99 here in Canada. Ummm, NO THANKS!

[@desertgsrider1]

Love the IGN firsts and can't believe it's been 10 years! Colin & his crew (Last Stand) have mentioned many times to check it out as their love for Ryan is eternal! Lol.

[@Fellipe2k5]

PS5 Pro DayOne! 🙌

[@Johntheninja100]

No

[@shwetankshukla9390]

Imagine if microsoft prices xbox series s at 149 with gamepass for holiday.

[@masterofIich]

They would sell easily 100% more. So 200k instead of 100j😂

[@cristianspiridon]

They needed to have this console for 200 from the start with better hardware!

[@benjamincurtis1412]

It wouldn't do much... XBOXs could be free in Europe, no one o er here really wants one.

[@Sinncere06]

They did that last year. Nothing happened.

[@naywahn]

It kinda is, on eBay... 💷

[@blakehenderson8828]

Did Stella subtract the entire cost of the ssd when doing her price comparison ? If a 2tb is $170, whatever, you can’t take that away without adding in the cost of a 1tb ssd. You can definitely count that extra storage as part of the cost but still a tough sell for the extra 300

[@dayonerecoverdub3626]

Sony gets those 2tb hard drives for 50 bucks tops it's not the same as a consumer buying one

[@Sound9ine]

finally someone with a business sense ​@@dayonerecoverdub3626

[@xbotLife]

She’s not smart enough to figure that out lol

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@dayonerecoverdub3626PS5 uses solid state drives internally. NOT mechanical hard drives. Learn the difference.

[@Nooschwander]

Destin seems so stoked to be alive lol.

[@LCOF]

They should just refer to Digital Foundry insread of Destin now.

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Destin “ hello fellow humans.”

[@sundarchip]

Doesnt matter if the PS5 Pro costs $700. People are still better off getting the base PS5 than an Xbox because they get to play Sony games, better optimized versions of third party games sooner, and at least some Xbox first party games on their PlayStation 5, in addition to having access to cool features like VR and DualSense. On the other hand, you get to play only Xbox first party games and not as well optimized version of third party games and no Sony games at all on an Xbox, and you can't experience features like DualSense and VR. Not to mention that Xbox hasn't made a truly great game in ages.

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Nelson Muntz is the one who points and says HA-HA. Not Ralph Wiggum.

[@dageekynerd2898]

Didn’t Xbox say they wouldn’t lose the power crown again, that was this gen? lol. DF seemed impressed with the amount of tech for the price (so far) but it’s clearly not for everyone.

[@joshdailey6279]

Does IGN not have the technology to put time stamps?

[@craigsampson3386]

More like they don't have the care or the budget.

[@stinkyham9050]

Well they can't get decent audio so probably not

[@superbadisfunny]

​@@stinkyham9050 😂 facts

[@Ballistic-vn6em]

"Xbox Next" sounds like a cool name ngl

[@eingoluq]

Xbox Next One

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

NextBox.

[@richisgamin]

Man 10 years Destiny will always be special to me

[@jermelpurse3018]

Microsoft has lost the war that’s it. This generation when people have to decide to purchase next generation console overwhelmingly went with PlayStation. From now on those individuals are not going to want to get rid of their back catalog of games. Microsoft would have to present a unique situation that forces people to really consider jumping ship powerful hardware even excellent software won’t do it. They are fundamentally going to have to change the game. No, the speculation that the next platform could be handheld that rocks the boat, but the speculation that it could enable PC gameplay that flips over the table that fundamentally changes the game

[@masterofIich]

If u want the best of the best in Xbox land u have to buy the Adorable all digital 2TB for 599 WITHOUT EVEN OPTION TO UPGRADE TO DISK

[@Disciple_82]

Holy copium IGN

[@Ddarke11]

Xbox could barely let Playstation stew for that Pro price reveal before yanking back all that negative press back with yet another round of firings.

[@xbotLife]

It’s business bro. Get over it

[@Ddarke11]

@@xbotLife I'm sure all the people that lose their job will appreciate that.

[@MoonlightAce-f4p]

For the PlayStation five Pro is $700 but you need a diss drive and it’s gonna be $70 and then you had to buy the stand that’s $30 so it’s gonna be $800 and then you had to worry about scalpers, cause they gonna sell it for way more than his cost

[@robf]

You don’t need the stand, I’ve been using it without one for years.

[@superbadisfunny]

You don't need either and most people don't care about those.

[@TheDomLouis]

Why is the vertical stand so important with the Pro. The original PS5 never came with a v-stand and it was expected to be horizontal. What's changed??

[@dean_dv]

​@TheDomLouis the original PS5 does have a stand, I'm looking at the one which was included with mine now... and it has a disc drive.

[@TheDomLouis]

@@dean_dv does that stand work vertically or only horizontally??

[@thefattmish]

Great cast= Great show!

[@markmacken1]

Am xbox owner but the amount of nonsense about the PS pro considering the coming refresh of series X is 600 dollars.

[@johnwright8413]

Facts!

[@thepews1511]

Fr

[@PakluPapito]

Doesn't that come with drive and stand included?

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

At least it comes with a Disc Drive, and can be put vertically.

[@thepews1511]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP the system stands vertically on its own

[@leviaustin880]

Dispite what the cast say they will still buy it

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Series S is the biggest mistake from Microsoft. It shouldn't have ever been released. It's holding back the Series X and PS5 too. They never released a weaker Xbox 360 vs a base model. They never released a weaker Xbox One vs the base model. Series X should've been the base model.

[@vincevirtua]

34:00 you heard it here first folks, from Destin "negligible improvement". He just knows. LOL. Really though has he had one in his hands for a while and checked 30 or more games? Don't tell me the 9 min Cerny video.

[@Frojj]

Wild!

[@roninryatt4118]

If Xbox released a handheld that was going to be able to play gta 6 I’d lose my mind.

[@eingoluq]

That would be insane, fantasy, but insane. seriously a handheld that can run that without compromise is going to be expensive.

[@JonnieDarko316]

It will probably run it at 1080p 30fps without ray-tracing and maybe they will integrate machine learning for resolution scaling and frame generation to get 60fps.

[@RainWalker24c]

I'd bet $3000 it will be on the next switch. Although it won't be on pc for 1yr, steamdeck will run it when it releases. Many keep thinking its going to be like original crisis in terms of pushing hardware. It really won't be. Hype blinds people all the time

[@abdel1143]

Timestamps

[@storkman]

What about them?

[@ninjafohhiya]

Xbox's next hardware move is clearing out more of their offices.

[@sethross7217]

$600 2tb series X coming soon!!! 😂

[@glowinTHX]

Dude, the base ps5 is $500 without a stand, it comes with 800gb, not even 1tb and it's made of the cheapest shiny plastic. Microsoft is out of touch but it doesn't make it better for Sony.

[@sethross7217]

@@glowinTHX not everyone needs a stand. And the slim model is 1tb. If you compare the 2tb series x with the ps5 pro which has 2tb plus more power and advanced features the pro is a win

[@symbolic503]

bro needs to mute mic before he starts typing up his memoir while other people are trying to talk.

[@SHOman_86]

Bet you guys are loving the timing of news today

[@ignaciochacon882]

Idk if there's a similar idiom in english too, but Sony just shot a bullet to its own foot with this PS5 Pro version but if xbox does the same it would be a grenade instead.

[@superbadisfunny]

Not really since everybody is gonna buy it.

[@lordraynation6178]

Yay stella is back 😊❤

[@RandyShadows]

38:50 You don't have to specify which The Lion King movie Destin was talking about.

[@TransformationalGaming]

How do you know the CPU is the same Dustin?! Because Rich told you? Have someone inside have told you that the CPU is going to be the same?

[@dolo747]

Xbox = Android of gaming

[@mrlepercon]

Next console is a portable

[@Cullenprime]

Both Lion King movies are animated. The 2nd one just looks real

[@themarcshark]

Nah those are real lions talking

[@word22able]

Smart move for xbox let Sony set the price for next gen and not have to take heat for it

[@stevenhinchley3588]

Stick of Truth is an amazing game!

[@antonymorris9828]

It's embarrassing what happened with redfall and starfeild 30fps hellblade 2 now Avowed😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@SuperChampion206]

Just pre ordered The Xbox series x 2 TB Galaxy Black Edition

[@sanketgadre4399]

This is Xbox podcast or playstation podcast /? Confused

[@craigsampson3386]

Well other than Xbox firing another 650 staff theres nothing new going on at Xbox to talk about 🤷

[@storkman]

Xbox brah

[@stinkyham9050]

Xbox never had anything to talk about except for bad news so they instead focused on PS.

[@macsimmons]

It is really weird to say. $700 is a lot for a ps then turn around and say buy APC for 1500, make it make sense.

[@londonbridges8234]

Why no more trivia’s ?

[@paulconnolly4483]

Announcing more layoffs at Microsoft gaming didn’t help the Xbox image.

[@XDeadlyChitownX]

Xbox is #1 💪

[@crabbypatty10fefrefe]

I’m really not sure why you guys think Bungie should “wrap up” Destiny? Destiny players are not gonna transition over to Marathon. Marathon is gonna be a nightmare for the average Destiny player.

[@CrazyMikey86]

No more trivia anymore . Hopefully they get back to it 2025 .

[@ddcrocky3831]

TTIIMMEE SSSTAMPS PPPPLLEASE

[@TheOldest]

The PS3 was an anomaly, maybe history will prove me wrong. Me: Yeah, before that was the Sega Saturn at 399.99 followed by the Sega Dreamcast at 199.99

[@Justmeandmy20cents]

This video aged like milk...

[@erikalvarez4516]

Focus on frame rate, have a strong CPU and make the storage upgradable like the PS5/ PC and not proprietary.

[@IIIAJHIII]

Just wait until Stella gets to the gnome part with your parents in the game 🤣🤣

[@MichaelAngelEOrtiz]

Ohhhh Stella ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Thematrix075.]

Most prebiulds thats a grand is 1080p so its not the best of the best is it

[@azzafdu]

"700 + tax in US, but it's 800 in Europe" How many years in the industry, and Destin still has no idea how sales tax works 😅 $700 + 20% sales tax = $840 Destin.

[@OneMajorRyan]

Xbox is soooooooo dead. No one plays it. No idea why they are investing in another console. What an utter waste.

[@Hulseyheisenberg]

The salt in destin'a voice discussing xbox games running better on ps5 pro 🤣🤣

[@andrewthompson1167]

It's so annoying to hear people whine about pricing. The market sets the price. If it doesn't sell, the price will fall. People complain about price when they are going to buy it anyway. If they weren't going to buy it, the price wouldn't matter. If you complain about price and still buy it, you're reinforcing the pricing structure.

[@mexicanr3volution944]

Why does ign give any game a 7. Dustborn got a 7 really

[@BespokeExclamationPoint]

Destin and Ryan…I know you obviously don’t want to talk about this, given IGN’s lack of hit pieces on it, but Xbox announced a 2TB Series X for $600 1.5 months ago. What planet are you living on where you think they could release a next gen handheld for the same $600?? When has the $3.5 trillion company ever suggested that they are willing to eat that big of a loss? They sell a 1TB SeriesX painted to look like sponge Bob for $700. You are dreaming… Xbox is dead, accept it. They are 2 generations behind Sony in terms of graphics, gameplay, audio, controller improvements, and now they are 1 generation behind in AI upscaling tech. With PS5Pro Sony gets real game experience, developer feedback, multiple game engine testing. MS launching their “mid gen” refresh at the beginning of this gen was the biggest mistake they have ever made.. remember the Series X is the direct competitor to PS5Pro. And if you question that, they literally told DF that they decided to launch their “mid gen” console at the beginning so it would be supported more… and what was the base model called last gen? One S? Series S… mid gen “pro” One X, Series X

[@antonymorris9828]

Sony has no competition xbox threw the flag in and quit competing what a joke they are

[@toastyburger]

Nintendo and PC are both competition. Lots of people are claiming they are going to switch to PC.

[@jmcdermott53]

My two 7 y/o daughters love everything Minecraft and they hated the teaser. They almost broke down crying because Steve doesn't look like Steve. We had to have the conversation about setting expectations that Hollywood sometimes destroys your favorite things.

[@MrHitman2284]

The pro won't have a better refresh rate than the x enjoy the check you are getting from Microsoft

[@illestcatnnebraska7331]

Can’t wait for that Indiana Jones comparison 😮

[@dman7895]

discourse may have been a bit worse for a $700 microsoft box but microsoft couldve done a better value for that money. the Ps5 pro wouldve been a great value for $750 with the disc drive and a stand and a digital game and certainly shouldve hyped the 2 TB hard drive more

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Supposed to be a special edition ps5 pro with the disc drive in December.

[@Frojj]

Bettar value? They are selling a Series X 2TB for $600...

[@Badgrammarterry]

If next gen is the same price as the PS5 Pro, consoles will die off and everyone will play on switch or pc.

[@Jason-..-]

No

[@NNURBA]

Pc is 2k at least. Nobody’s moving there lol

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Games, games sell consoles.

[@SD-vp5vo]

@@Jason-..- yes

[@Jason-..-]

@@SD-vp5vo Nope😅 consoles will never die. Cry more

[@Atum1c]

Xbox is dead , this gta6 ps5 pro low fps narrative is so funny 😂😂

[@SD-vp5vo]

same cpu = 30fps

[@Atum1c]

@@SD-vp5vo no

[@NicholasKoeppel]

No more reason for an xbox hardware division to exist(it would cost less to): Just give Sony whatever they want to let gamers install your marketplace and gamepass service on the PS5 and PS5 Pro(maybe a 100-120 billion dollars over the next 3 three full generations kind of deal or something)… Market it as a shared console, and have Microsoft gaming blades with Xbox controllers packaged as a bundle if they’d like…

[@MarcoHernandez-nb5dc]

It means dead of Xbox as a console brand. GAmepass service will run for a few yrs until it runs out of steam

[@eyezonly8593]

After the PS5Pro travel X-box can do whatever they want band win the console war 😂

[@pherron7471]

Let's be honest. No one is worried about Marathon. Devoting time talking about it is wasted breath. Wait until they're near release.

[@aCozyManatee]

so now they acknowledge the xbox tax...? Bout time

[@aaronwalsh8469]

Phil is the Xbox tax

[@naywahn]

*Oh for the love of...* 29:58

[@Spartan_83]

36:29 that would be PC lol

[@Adamtendo_player_1]

Sony now believes their own hype. This is what happens when there’s a lack of competition.

[@stinkyham9050]

But there is competition. It's just that the competition doesn't seem to be able to make a game.

[@socalju2447]

Ryan has zero facial hair game. Dude is lazy with them clippers.

[@AustinPaolillo]

He's a nose job and makeover away from killing it lol

[@chazbonkers]

Love you Stella!

[@emilyquincy4137]

Jones William Martinez Steven Garcia Anthony

[@Suhadisgood]

Don’t worry Xbox is still the most powerful it’s PC windows 10 -11 just install the 4090 graphics card you will kill the PS5 pro PC is the king of gaming

[@craigsampson3386]

Xbox doesn't = PC bro. Cope harder.

[@TomZack-re5cv]

You don’t know anything about PC it’s Xbox go cry somewhere else are you jealous PlayStation isn’t

[@peterparker346]

Xbox is PC for life so is Steam are you upset that Sony and Nintendo never put their stores and games to install and earn trophies like Xbox

[@peterparker346]

@@TomZack-re5cv Craig is jealous kid that Xbox is PC

[@bryancook6345]

@@craigsampson3386really you don’t own a PC don’t talk erase your comment nobody needs to read it’s a lie Xbox is Microsoft and windows 95 98 XP 7 10 11 are all from Microsoft who’s Xbox game pass is on PC grow up kid

[@MosesCarr-g2b]

Anderson Steven Harris Matthew Rodriguez Jose

[@abhijeetdey]

Imagine if the people who are making money priced there console at 800 dollars What will the people aren't selling that many will do

[@martinflores7354]

SUPP STELLA. LET ME SHOOT OUR SHOT?!?!

[@lukeyrs7447]

Series X2 599 Series S2 399 Series Portable 499

[@AnEyeRacky]

36:58 lol cmon Destin 42:45 it better! The switch can barely run heavily doctored ps3/360 games. Alot of them dont run 1080p at 30fps. The switch is in its own lane Destin. This new switch isnt a mid gen refresh either, its a full on new platform. Relax

[@kowaikokoro]

there is no next console for xbox. their going firestick or handheld.