What they (maybe) aren't telling you about Warhammer: The Old World

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In this video I talk about the launch of Warhammer: The Old World, my thoughts on it, my theories about what's coming next, and how I think it will affect all fantasy games going forward into the future!
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[@TimPoultney]

BREAKING NEWS: As of writing this comment, GeeDubs have JUST previewed the latest FOMO box, Orc and Goblin Tribes, with all the ancient models you could ask for AND some being made to order with ZERO indication of a release date. Dana is Nostradamus, I guess.

[@GregWebster]

Nostradana

[@TimPoultney]

​@@GregWebster Son of a-- It was RIGHT THERE! I didn't see it...

[@NargSmart]

Came here to say this, Dana is an oracle!

[@aediusbarbatus]

Except it's not a "starter box" - it's a battalion. No books, no accessories, no character models - just a bunch of core troops.

[@NotTheStinkyCheese]

@@aediusbarbatus GW has shown that (some of) the old Ork characters are returning too

[@FrozenThrog]

For the people that still have old fantasy armies, don't rebase. Save your energy and use spacer trays.

[@Benjam311]

even those trays are pretty expensive from what i've seen readily available. Do you have any links to more affordable versions of these trays?

[@ripstainmcripstain905]

My OCD won't allow me to do that.

[@FrozenThrog]

@@Benjam311 I got no links for you, maybe someone else does. It is money either way you go. What you really save is time spent as you don't have to destroy your old base, and then redo the basing on the new one. You will also have the models on the old size for when you ever need them for another game. If you want so save money, but not time, you can always make your own and still have the flexibility of smaller bases. You can make it out of wood, cardboard, or plasticard. your choice. You can even use pre-made standard trays from some company like sarissa-precision, and just add spacers if you aren't too confident. A 5 wide, 4 deep tray for converting 20mm to 25mm would give you a 125*100mm footprint. Make the outer rim 2.5mm and the inner spacers 5 mm and you have a nice spacer tray.

[@bremer1701]

And then you need a empty template base with the correct base sizes for measuring the correct distances. Either rebase or use individual adapters. Much better then spacer bases.

[@FrozenThrog]

@@bremer1701 Edit: Nvm. misread. Old message is below for posterity. Or use a base with a figure on them. The size does not change.

[@LordFawful13]

My biggest argument against the FOMO marketing is the fact that GW has stated that these new box sets are being manufactured under their normal process and are not being advertised as "limited quantity". Its going to be interesting to see them roll out new products for this line. I just wish they didnt exclude all the armies i wanted to collect 🙃

[@HawsDaBaws]

Play Warhammer armies project. Much better game. Won't try to sell you 20 year old miniatures for a new game.

[@JeroKane]

They said that for Legiones Imperialis (new Epic) too, but after the initial release back in Early December, It was pretty much all instantly sold out and the FGLS have not heard anything from GW when new stock will come. Most of the promised (post-release) deliveries never arrived.

[@G2Bryce]

As a new player it is upsetting because I have no clue where to start or what will or won't be limited time only. I want to buy multiple factions; Wood Elves, High Elves, Empire, and some others if money permits. But if some are limited time only then I would obviously want to focus on those first. The lack of communication is very disheartening and gives me a lot of second thoughts. It's not like this game is cheap, and if I want to solo skirmish or against family, I need to make an even bigger risk. GW is not making the decision to buy in easy.

[@terrydactyl2077]

@@rangda_primecalm down

[@Stonehorn]

@@HawsDaBawsWAP is absolutely not a better Ruleset than TOW. It’s also not better than WHFB 5th and 6th edition.

[@leeboy007b]

I honestly just assumed that was the plan for the old world. A couple new boxes every couple of months

[@dmeep]

The books are more likely priced higher as they expect a lot of players to already have old armies and buy zero models

[@keitholiver6152]

I think it is also because most the target audience are now well into their 30s, and not concerned as much about cost

[@gecila1]

@@keitholiver6152 30's and them some! If they were playing from 5th or 6th editions they're going to be at least in their mid to late 40's and anything before that going back through to the beginning... you're talking about a demographic in their late 50's touching into their 70's now.

[@kastronvie7842]

Yeah, like in prep for this, ontop of all my old stuff, I brought stuff secondhand from people. The only models I technically have bought is the Greywater Fastness starter box from my local. I am sure I will get some of the newer resin sculpts when they pop out, but I am not likely buying an entire new army in the mid term

[@dontyouhaveacomrade1585]

This, I think they are nostalgia cashing in. Trying to draw in the old disgruntled fantasy players like my self

[@LilyZayli]

Ive bought the Bretonnia box, Bretonnia is my faction and this release is what ive been waiting for! Can't wait to get my hands on some battle pilgrims, they sold out so fast.

[@chrisattwood5930]

That box looks beautiful, enjoy!

[@LilyZayli]

@@chrisattwood5930 Thanks!!

[@ShutItKyle]

"If you support this product, give us your money. We promise we wont discontinue this series 2 years later after we have all of it."

[@Willie5000]

Sad part is that Old World has to prove it can be profitable enough to justify its continued existence. Last time the entire WHFB range was being outsold by black spray paint.

[@TheGoGoat91]

I mean, best case scenario if it doesnt sells well, it becomes niche much like mesbg, with a few releases here and there, which is miles better than what fantasy players had before tow.

[@HallBr3gg]

tbh, I assumed from the start they would release big boxes for each of the faction. I don't think it was implied otherwise.

[@niklas3947]

Yeah, I don't think that was ever really in question. And yes, the spacing is obviously done to maximise sales, but not for FOMO reasons. It's not about the IF, but the WHEN. And that pretty much dictates the entirety of GWs release schedule, that's why we only get the pre order date a week before. They want to avoid people holding out on buying something in general, this isn't a TOW specific thing and really, really common business practice for larger companies.

[@durzod2052]

st likely continue to do what I've been doing for a while now: use my old WFB models to play Kings of War. The rulebook is LOTS cheaper and actually has all the army rules in one book. What a concept!

[@Featherus_]

This is honestly what I expected them to do. The Tomb Kings and Brettonians were first as they were the longest gone. But I expect each army in the books to get a box and new range every few months. Hopefully followed by the new armies from Total War they teased right at the start of Old Word’s announcement.

[@benjenplaysgames]

In agreement, getting the vibe each army will have it's own "starter" set, way to get in. Hope so, personally looking forward to High Elves.

[@charliekirkpatrick695]

I feel like Skull Pass may get a new release for the Goblins and Dwarves

[@PaintsAreOp]

With GW re-releasing 3rd and 4th edition 40k boxes, I'm sure 6th, 7th and 8th fantasy boxes are going to get re-released as made to order at some point.

[@timothyharnedy4495]

Couple of points. 1. The big impressive starter box for Horus Heresy, with all-new plastic models, is the big box they created for the second edition of the game, not for the initial release. So it was only after they had seen that the demand was there for it. This fits with what you say later about the current release being GW testing the waters, to see whether it is worth spending a lot of money on new plastic kits. 2. GW certainly haven't spent any money on new moulds for old plastic kits. That would be crazy for many reasons, not least of which being that the sprue layouts for the old kits were wildly space inefficient, and even if they were simply re-releasing the old models with new moulds, they'd definitely reorganise the sprues, but we know they haven't done that. And, besides, the new moulds are the greatest part of the cost of a new plastic kit, so if they were going to do that they might as well have their sculptors design new kits.

[@enveritas4948]

Squarespace, more like Square-BASE... You're welcome.

[@fraktilfilth]

I have some old Chaos Dwarves to paint up and some to print out. Would love for them to come back officially. May be tempted by the orks and goblins though

[@rafethearchitect]

I've been busy with work and have not watched your videos in a while, this was well done, excited to go and watch the ones I've missed.

[@mogwaiman6048]

TOW being a specialist game allows it to be a slow grow project. It was never going to get main studio support.

[@jonpaul7379]

I hope the future boxed sets don’t all include the rule book otherwise I’ll be ending up with multiples. Hopefully they’ll exclude the rule books to bring down the cost of the futures boxes sets.

[@Amberpawn]

I absolutely expect the Warriors of Chaos Box is just a mix of the Vanguard/Start Collecting/Army/Warhorde boxes from S2D. No new marauders, no new Dragon Ogres...

[@thehobbyistden3720]

I'm looking at my Warhammer Fantasy book collection and looking at the index's currently out, were missing 6* armies,unless they merged some armies together now in the new index's?

[@jamesn2830]

I don’t believe GW is looking for evidence on which way to go with their fantasy line. GW doesn’t expect fantasy to overtake AOs just like HH doesn’t overtake 40k. It’s just another game they’re releasing to make some money from because they must have come to the conclusion there is a strong enough want from the community to justify the cost of the project. They will just co exist and that’s good. Its not a mainline game and won’t be again but it’s awesome that it’s back and a lot of people are happier for it

[@polyquaternium7]

and to add to this, they still have all the old fantasy model moulds lying around doing nothing, and in the last years expended their production and storage facilities. Would make a lot of sense to capitalize on past investments.

[@Lighthawk1986]

They were blatantly afraid of it being more popular than AoS. Otherwise why bother to make half the factions “legacy”.

[@jamesn2830]

@@Lighthawk1986 because those factions are primarily under the AOS umbrella so any purchases would go under that department instead of the old world one and they are competitors. Each department has to present their P&L sheets to upper management and the old world department doesn’t want AOS making profits off their game Also who is “they”? Why would GW be afraid of one product being a resounding success that doesn’t make any sense.

[@PyromancerRift]

Fun fact, i got the tomb king box in mainland europe for 180€ VAT included. Given the amount of miniatures and the rulebook, it is not steep at all for europeans to get into it. If it sold out at 300$ in murika, well, why ould GW lower the price ? You could say it's too expensive if nobody buys it, but if it sales like hotcakes, the price is on point for the target audience.

[@davidwasilewski]

I’ll be sticking with Warmaster thanks. Truly epic battles in the Old World… with scores of regiments on each side…

[@andyedwards9222]

GW seemed to have a weird policy blowing up the Old World to replace it with a new skirmish based world. Then years later reintroducing the Old World and running it in parallel with Sigmar. Never understood why they didn't advance the Old World a little a run a skirmish system in conjunction with the old system as a buy in to the hobby.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Because WHFB wasn't making enough money as a main studio IP. With TOW being a specialist studio game GW can treat it as a slow grow project.

[@noodles2459]

Your videos are always fantastic Dana.

[@aerynmusick4548]

I won’t lie, the Old World is tempting me with nostalgia. I had an undead army for WFB back in the day that I never got to assemble or paint when all my minis got stolen. I don’t have the extra piles of cash necessary to buy in to Tomb Kings right now, but I really want them.

[@edhamacek2469]

Dude, play Kings of War, better game and you can use your old GW models.

[@Stonehorn]

The boxes are not limited edition, so you can still get it in the future.

[@guyincognito959]

New is always shiny, but I got all my 40k stuff used, reprinted, or as third party sculpts. It is a hobby after all, and hobbies cost money ;)

[@chrisjones6792]

I will say as a Heresy player, that was not a 2 player starter. They hedged their bets in the marketing, but the 450 point Spartan is kind of impossible to split, and gives away that they always intended it to be a one per player box, which is how it has mostly shaken out in my experience. I add this because I think it supports your thesis: we could see the Mark III armor Battlegroup as a real world example of the seccond wave you're talking about. It's a smaller box, but offers the same thing in principle, although the Heresy range is getting a lot more new models. Given that they are both the "prequel" games for their franchise, I think it's a fair comparrison, and Heresy has basically done what you're describing so far. It's just not as obvious because the armies are less distinct from eachother.

[@user-ds8rj2vc4v]

I think the problem with ToW primarily comes from the launch boxes. The old miniatures being sold at silly prices is one thing when they're standalone boxes like the Ushabti, but the box sets were supposed to be the chance to relaunch the game. Everything in them should have been new models like with every other launch box.

[@chrisjones6792]

@@user-ds8rj2vc4v I think the Warhammer Fantasy community, from my experience, is interested in the old sculpts. From what I've seen, Heresy players always saw Forgeworld Resin as a necessary evil, and are thrilled to see the new plastics, but the people who are still playing Fantasy are dedicated enough that they want the classic sculpts. Weather giving them what they want drives away new players and kills the game is an open question, but I don't mind the crowd that was alienated by AOS getting thrown a bone personally.

[@omgwibble]

I suspect you are largely correct. I luckily have loads of Orcs and Goblins dating back to 4th Edition (definitely dated myself there) on a shelf, so am not likely to buy the future Orc and Goblin box unless it really adds new things (unlikely).

[@paulh3475]

Wasn't there some Kislev figures/artwork also previewed for this game? If so would one of those theoretical fomo boxes be a Kislev faction? Or was that artwork only for the computer game?

[@Joooooooooe11]

The article that originally displayed that artwork said that the artwork was for the Old World, but that article was from so long ago, it's anyone's guess as to if there was a change in design or a turnoff in their development roadmap for Kislev. What adds to the complication is that those early Kislev articles came out right before Covid hit, so the fear is that things could have gotten derailed from the pandemic hitting and disrupting everything causing a hard turn in GW's plans which could result in Kislev falling by the wayside. Like Dana mentions in this video, GW have been tight lipped about a lot of stuff regarding Old World and they haven't said a peep about anything Kislev related since those initial articles. The general hope is that new factions like Kislev and possibly Cathay will show up with new model kits once all the core factions are released and everything caught up, but who knows.

[@chrisjones6792]

@@Joooooooooe11 While anything could theoretically be announced at any time, I'd argue that the statements made about what armies will be supported and what armies won't pretty decisively excluded Kislev from the new game.

[@raymondwright5996]

I bought into the Tomb Kings. They were the one Warhammer Fantasy Army that I wanted to start, but never did. I managed to get some models when they were discontinued, but had to sell them off.

[@shionn80]

I love your content, i love your painting style. I regret that a lot of people does not understand that is your intuition.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Thank you for this great video!!

[@GoobertownHobbies]

>>> I too am an Ancient Being and definitely not a Corporate AI

[@sannej]

As a cultist that has been living under a rock for the past decade, I have come back to the hobby because Old World. So, I certainly ***hope*** they will continue to support the game for the foreseeable future. If not, I'll crawl right back under that rock!

[@zenosAnalytic]

I think your theory is right. It's not exactly the same, but it's sort of like what they've been doing with their wh41k releases? Like: using each release to sort of tease and/or build up to the next, and to introduce new "settings" for narrative play, which is ITSELF kind of a larger application of what they've been doing with Killteam boxes from the jump.

[@hendrikmoons8218]

As someone who played mainly Warhammer Fantasy since 1990 I bought the Tomb Kings box. I played AOS from the moment GW realised that a game like this is only playable when models get pointcosts. I for one am glad that Old World is back, but I am not dropping AOS (Flesheater Courts) completely. More likely, my Old World is gona be main, folowed by 40kNids, then AOS. My reason for this is simple. Old World is a true strategic wargame imo, wheras the other 2, like kill team or Mordheim (of old) or Warcry are tactical games. Sure they have an element of strategy, but giving 1 order with command points to turn the tide in battle brings down the battle to a 2 platoon level fight on each side versus all out war like in Battlefleed Ghotic or Apocalypse. In Old World, building your army, finetuning it, is just as important than nowadays is painting your AOS kill-team to get the mandatory bonuspoints for having a painted army. In Warhammer Fantasy, learning to properly move your bloks of troops was/is just as important as having some converted models in AOS. It came down to properly mastering YOUR army, because just copying a random persons army that did well at a GT would not guarenty that you could do the same. In the release idea you brought forth, well they may actualy do something like that and in the second year launch the missing armies. So for me now, I'll stick to Tomb Kings and maybe Wood Elves. But them WE have to wait untill I'm done painting my TK for my war against the unpainted gray is killing me. Not that I'm ever gona score points on painting, contrast paints and drybrushing, that is something even I can do... I realy hope Old World succeeds and hopefully not in stead of AOS, but my choise between them 2 clearly goes to WHFB now Old World.

[@Dork2099]

Great analysis, thank you!

[@danioshea]

"Re-base your old models" - ha! The armies of the dodgy filing cabinet lie waiting, square-based as the day they were assembled.

[@crimsonsun2000]

I'm not expecting a AoS style of release for the old world, if they provide support as they continue to do I think it will cement its place as a specialist game. I'd hate it to be a verses battle between AoS and Old World, I have no interest in AoS but I've had my favourite tabletop game destroyed, so I'd never want that to be the case for anyone else, why would I. Legacy Vampires first, I have most of the army unbuilt ready to go, I'll expand it with some current purchases and order a boat load of bases from China. Then Orcs and Goblins I have the heart of the army, so I'll add to that and rebase it when they get their time to shine.. I need a good faction, still on the fence to which I'll choose, might wait to see what happens with Kislev and Cathey, I think Cathey seem to look very interesting to utilise and paint, very different from all other factions.. My largest current army is dark elves but they are going to sit on the shelf a while, it would take a huge amount of work to get them ready for the old world, its a very big army and I'm in no rush.. I brought all the core books already, and I'm eying tomb kings to be used in conjunction with my vampires, a force led my Arkhan the Black as my army is devoted to Nagash's return, that would fit.. Should keep me very busy for the next year, especially as I've got a bunch of Star Wars legion to buy, KDM and shadows of brimstone to work on and about 10 or so Kickstarters I'm waiting for delivery of in the boardgame space.

[@violetsunprops]

Totally agree with the speculation of GW releasing aditional pairs of release boxes (though I have them in slightly different orders in my head). Seems like the most reasonable way to get that many armies re-released. I think for a good portion of people who still play older edtions of WHFB the fact that most of the minis in the boxes are the older sculpts and not new ones is actually a plus, nostalgia is a helluva drug.

[@MrtavGavran]

I wish people would stop claiming that nostalgia is the only reason why people flock to fantasy. Some people prefer when their fantasy is based on real world history and like it more grounded. If there was another game that did it as (or more) compelling, I'd play that and I know many other people share that opinion.

[@achromicwhite2309]

This thought had crossed my mind also. I think you very much well be right about these big "starter" box sets. We COULD also just see new army boxes, but that only Brets and TKs come with the extras (rule book/dice/templates). There's already rumor for a new plastic Wyvern. So that also fits into this theory... putting one new BIG shiny model into such a box.

[@trustinflames1022]

I am getting back into the hobby after 10 years away just for fantasy, as I just got into it to late during the end times. I am torn on which faction to go with, Chaos/orks/dwarfs. At the moment I am waiting for new if there will be any more news on the next releases for the old world. Before making my decision. In the meanwhile I was gifted kill team and going to some of my fantasy pile of shame I didn’t sell, to brush up my painting skills. No pun intended.

[@nathanielschleif]

Holy cow, that book price for Old War is brutal! You could buy a mini agnostic skirmish game and the minis necessary for two different warbands for that price! And have enough left over for a six pack of beer!

[@josephjustice4553]

Yeah, but you still wouldn’t have a Warhammer Old World Rulebook if you did that…😉

[@jusztinnemeti6380]

@@josephjustice4553 but you'd have beers...

[@Mara999]

I'm mostly glad that they're bringing back models that have not been available to buy anymore since AOS debuted, particularly from both the Tomb Kings and Bretonnia ranges. Back in the day I really wanted to buy the Necrosphinx, but I was unfortunately too late when it went away. I'm also tempted to get a new box of Men-at-arms, partly because my original is almost entirel spent. But I also want to kitbash the various human factions in Old World with Cities of Sigmar troopers, maybe even the Imperial Guard. Or with Vampire Counts, because I want undead Bretonnians.

[@icyblankets4971]

Love that your speculation release graphic has sent the rumour mills flying😂

[@MrClassicor]

From what I can tell, that potential release schedule is pretty much what most TOW enthusiasts are expecting to happen anyway. I'd like to add that TOW will not only be carried forward by nostalgia alone, but also by its gameplay - it *is* more involved and more tactical than AoS, which is more action-y, so that should offer a nice gameplay alternative for people who might find AoS still a bit shallow. Speaking of AoS, that game's minis will also see a nice boost in sales, seeing how cross-compatible many of their sculpts are - especially when you keep in mind that certain factions will get new army lists in the form of the Legacy rules for free. Of those, you can create almost the entire Vampire Cpunts roster with miniatures from the AoS Death Alliance range (mostly Gravelords, with some Flesheaters & Nighthaunts for selected units). Bat swarms & mounted characters might need some improvisation, though. Skaven & Ogres should be fully playable with what AoS offers as well, Dark Elfes in large parts... only Chaos Dwarfs might suffer in that regard. And looking at the army book factions, Beastmen are just reusing the same range that AoS had adapted from WhFB, and Lizardmen can be completely represented with the new Seraphon range. What I am getting at is that GW is probably soft-launching Old World just to be safe; fully aware that it will still boost their overall sales numbers, and that it absolutely alright. Warhammer Fantasy did "fail" as a system before (although that is somewhat debateable). I understand why the business-side of GW would be careful, even if the hobby-side is frothing at the mouth to get their hands on the game. And with the help of readily available base adapters, why not play both games with the same minis and just add to the hobby experience overall? 😁

[@toothlessvagrant]

Could you take a peak at Kings of War and give us your thoughts? I fell in love with Mantic and their goal to just make great game rules years back and wouldn't even consider buying into Old World.

[@RedHatRuss]

Old world made me go look at KoW back in November, and I'm 1500 points painted into a halfling army now!

[@SvartElric9]

Yay new video! 😊

[@retrorevivalsuperturbo9428]

I remember that box. Brings back a lot of memories. When i was in university I used to working in a GW store part time to make ends meet. That edition came out in the year I worked there and I used to run ganes of it for customers and locals. It was a great time in the hobby.

[@Rocknswell]

100% agreed with the content of this video Dana, very eloquently put, and I believe your speculations are accurate indeed!

[@alexshaw4182]

The reason WHFB wasn't working was because it needed a refresh, it needed simpler rules and a cheaper intro point. You didn't need AoS for that, you just needed a different WHFB.

[@ghostwolf4354]

If you can find Cities of Sigmar kits, that's where the old Dark Ef line went. I just scored an Anvilgard box at the Langstaff Warhammer store, and am scouring the Web for models I can use. Not a lot of luck, but I've found a couple of things out there.

[@blissfulbadger]

You're right, I'm going to wait for the army I want... Skaven. Doesn't look like I'm getting into OW, at least for now.

[@markgnepper5636]

Great stuff friend 👏 👍

[@MisfitHobbies]

I see a video from Dana. I click.

[@craigstueber8073]

I agree with your time line and thought the same. I even set up my escalation league for September because I believe it will be a one year time.

[@CJKilbride]

Holding out hope for the FLGS to have an extra Brettonian box come the holidays and it'll be discounted nicely lol.

[@greywulfslair]

Brilliant as ever. I'll add one more thing into the mix. I predict that in Summer they'll surprise us all and release an updated Battle for Skull Pass 2-player boxed set.

[@Nogoatsnoglory]

excited to see your work on this!

[@PixelatedPenfold]

It can't be too long until the entire video just consists of Dana saying Squaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare!

[@Gumlass1]

Given everything sold out and the Open Day was heavily attended, I think its going ok.

[@redscope897]

The old world boxes are a lot of money but you get a lot of models in them. If you work out the price per a model in the UK it was 2 pound a model in the USA a little over 3.5 dollars. If you look at the original boxes which had half the models and added inflation they are actually cheaper than the original price. The single boxes is where GW pricing is a lot higher. This idea you paying a high price for them is not true. You have to look at what you getting in the box for that price.

[@Annies_mini_marvels]

I think this prediction is spot on 💯

[@arandomlostsoul753]

Dana, you're right on the money. Rolling out all the main factions' army boxes in 1 year gives them time to consider what to do for the (presumably already planned-for) 2nd edition of The Old World. Until then, they can fill the release schedule with less demanding things, such as supplemental books, a few brand-new miniatures, perhaps a few updated plastic sets, and a couple "made to order" runs of old-school metal and resin models. Personally, I am comfortably working away on a big backlog of models and have no interest in starting any new armies, especially not for The Old World, where giant blocks of infantry are the norm, of course. I have also learned from experience that the value of paying more to get more stuff is often very questionable in this hobby, so I'm not tempted by the army boxes compared to just the rulebooks by themselves. By the way, that Empire spear guy turned out great!

[@neuzd]

The glitch was a nice touch : D

[@totalburnout5424]

There could be something in the forecast. “Old World” reminds me of the release of 8th Ed. 40K, offering faction army books and then replacing them with new, more complete army books or arcane journals. (Sell twice what you need once.)

[@knighthaunter]

You may well be right on this, as a person whos played since WFB 3rd and rouge trader this would be a very GW thing to do.

[@potchns]

I really want to build a Wood Elves army, and I assume (hope!) a box is coming later this year. Thus I held off on buying one of the new boxes for now. What I did do is decide to get a head start while I'm waiting, and ordered the AoS Dryads and Treeman (Treelord) along with some square bases. That should keep me busy for now as I wait. I did order some of the books - my hope is the difference between the initial boxes and subsequent ones is that the rule book is not included and thus it brings the price point down a bit. Would be nice, but in the end doesn't matter..

[@beardyhat9547]

I have 2 40k Armies (which have sat on the shelf for about 3 years now...weirdly, my wife won't let me sell them due to the work I've put in.) and 2 AoS armies, as well as at least one more wargame I am heavily invested in (Bolt Action) and many other little ones. The thing that's appealing about Old World is that with this release, aside from the cost of the rulebooks, it seems relatively casual or laid back; at least, that's the approach I intend to take towards it. My intention was to simply buy a Kings of War army and base it properly for Old World so I keep my costs down. With the way Old World seems to be a bit of a backburner project for GW, it feels to me that I can take a similarly casual approach and I don't need to have the official models or anything. It seems like something I can dabble in, more than have to make it my "Lifestyle", as you've put it. In fact, I'm sick of GW games right now because of that "Lifestyle" thing that goes into them. I feel like if I take a break from them, I fall behind, because there's just so much to keep-up with as far as rules updates, model releases, the amount of models to paint, etc, etc. It's why in the past year, Bolt Action has moved to the forefront of my hobby and become my main game, because I can take it so much less seriously, for lack of a better term. I can paint the models, enjoy the game and still have time to do other things with my life. I don't need to sit and study rules, battle tactics, grand strategies, etc. This is the kind of thing that's really been turning me off about GW games recently and why I'm pretty sick of AoS, in spite of trying to get myself hyped for a tournament my buddy wants me to participate in. GW was a fine introduction to the hobby, I still love the models and the high level strategy and thought process behind the game can be fun, but I'm not always down for that and I'm hoping Old World will be something I can take a little more casually.

[@edhamacek2469]

If you are going to buy a KoW army why not just play KoW? I left WHFB when they cancelled it (actually during End Times) and have played Kings of War ever since. No regrets and no going back.

[@beardyhat9547]

@@edhamacek2469 I intend to try it, but my friend group is hot on OW right now and I don't want to spend $300 on an army specifically for OW. I'm sure they'll return to KoW when they (again) tire of GWs regular shenanigans

[@breandan3280]

If you're planning on going Bretonians, historical minis are your friend! Just might need to do some conversion for Pegasus knights and such.

[@AndersRamm]

Personally happy that they decided to reprint the old models. As a 20+ years wfb player, I have wanted them for many years, but the second hand prices are just insane if you can even find them. So great that I can just order them from GW!

[@edhamacek2469]

I am an old cynic but I think they are just using this as a way to offload the mountains of plastic crack they have in warehouses and not reprints. I have heard stories of customers asking for particular older models/sets and being told that GW staff would have to check various warehouses to see if there are any to be had. Support for the game won't last as the same old story will crop up, "not making enough money", meanwhile players will be buying AoS models and rebasing to play Old World either because the models are better or they are sick of waiting for OW versions to be released. Boosted sales for AoS, RIP Old World.

[@ml6158]

I'm pretty sure that's what everyone wanted, old models recast.

[@manticman2148]

Yes. I think they will bring out army boxes for each faction over this year. I bought into Tomb Kings. That is the one army I wanted. So I think I will be sticking to that for this year. Or maybe Beastmen as well......

[@mickbrilliantfootballeroft327]

I hope the do put them out as you have banded. Great call.

[@markysgeeklab8783]

I think ur almost right in pt3, apart from Dwarves vs goblins and orcs vs empire

[@laurencepenfold]

I always assumed there would be army boxes for each faction, but I doubt they would be a Starter with the Rule-book included.

[@stephenjones8105]

I have collecting for Conqeust because I couldn’t get into AoS. I came out from under my rock in the last month and saw they were bringing fantasy back through Old World. Nostalgia got me. Now I have the big box of bretonia, And of course I will have to get the orcs and goblins. Interested to see how GW supports this going forward. Good video.

[@BronzeRivet]

I like the Bretonnians and used to collect Wood Elves, but the overall ability to collect and paint all the armies I'm interested in is limited in multiple ways. For example, old world Wood Elves is likely to be released around when 40k Adepta Sororitas are updated. There's a good chance of there being a Kill Team box or two that I like between now and summer. So, choices to make. I will the the high pricing on RESIN, which I don't like, is basically a double whammy on my collecting Old World minis.

[@ItsRinaldo]

The pricing of that Tomb Kings box for models from the Clinton Administration convinced me to finally take the plunge and buy Kings of War. Paying 2024 prices for 1998 models is shocking, especially as they are trying to lure me back as a consumer after deciding the game I enjoyed was unprofitable and detonated it. My KoW Abyssal Dwarf and Twilight Kin elf starter came and they look great.

[@trisbane4086]

Just out of curiousity, what do you think is a fair price for the two boxes?

[@ItsRinaldo]

@@trisbane4086 I'd start by knocking off a $100 at the very least.

[@HasteHobbies]

excellent video,

[@charlesc1583]

I have the old-school Dark Elves and Beatmen Armys, I will wait and see.

[@brodius257]

That segue had me ROLLING! 🤣🤣🤣

[@TylerProvick]

the only thing that surprises me about this release is not how GW is selling old sculpts for new prices, but how GW fans will once again just accept it.

[@Awsompick]

I was tempted to buy this stuff, I like Bretonnia conceptually, then I remembered 9th age exists and has free rules

[@peterixon8708]

Very sensible perspective. One of the few people who has nailed why Games Workshop behaves as a company, as it does; 'it's the share price folks, the share price'. I loved Fantasy, but I, like so many, had stopped buying anything. Supply & Demand mechanics is a real factor in business. Ignore it and the company goes broke. I hate where GW pricing has gone and I buy heaps less from GW now, but what's the answer?

[@wulfbak]

They have a good format. Each faction can be released with a starter army box similar to what we see with Bretonnians and TK. After all has been released, GW can add to the model ranges, produce campaign books and, if the game is successful enough, introduce new factions. They can even roll legacy factions into the game without much issue. This game has a lot of potential.

[@jpee300]

Their fomo strategy would basically be exposed once they start releasing more. How many further releases would be needed for people to remain on the fence and wait out for their fav army.

[@kellykuciemba6789]

I bought the WOOD ELVES ARMY BOX about 20 or so years ago. I will build that out for OLD WORLDE since I never used it. If and when that gets done, I will consider getting the rules. I'm fine using the Army for other Rule-sets. I'm also a collector, so it's not completely out of the realm of possibility I wont get FOMO'd into some DWARVES or GOBLINS despite the 100's of those I already own.

[@JeroKane]

The Old World made me finally start a Sylvaneth army that will nicely blend in with the Wood Elves when they release later this year. :)

[@bicskeiz]

WHFB is and will be my childhood crush, but since then, I saw and tried a some things,and I am absolutely happy with Oathmark...

[@paulbodjanac269]

Oathmark is cool and so is Mantic

[@bicskeiz]

@@paulbodjanac269 And the miniature range from Northstar is very fair priced, and great for kitbashing.

[@josephjustice4553]

I also think everyone assumes the core faction boxes are coming. The question is, do I want to wait for it, or just jump into another army in the meantime. It’s a great marketing strategy from GW.

[@Tartersauce101]

This is what I thought, didn't think it was a theory thought it was obvious.

[@elGordo1888]

Summed it up perfectly

[@LooneyPoliticsTunes]

I love the old word being released, I’m financially secure. Got spare cash , but pricing is obscene for all the reasons mentioned. Ended up playing goblins in kings of war. Which is another fantastic system

[@iandoddsblah]

Fantasy was discontinued because most shops were selling more Space Marines than every fantasy faction combined towards the end. This was partly due to GW not releasing anything but like you say.. they're a corporation and go with the money! Personally I feel that the more stuff that's out there with cool models, the better!!

[@drpretzel2086]

I remember getting into warhammer at the very end of fantasy and being confused on the difference between the 2

[@jomonkey2758]

I’m lucky to already have the old armies from when I used to play. I’m excited to get reinforcements for my tomb kings and brettonia armies but currently I can’t buy any of the stuff I want

[@jimjones7980]

That James Workshop is a crafty fellow.

[@phonty1]

While I get where you're coming from with this theory, I don't know if GW would do something like that (sneakily roll out future budget boxes to capitalize on FOMO and force people to buy certain boxes without knowing what's coming in the future). They still provide roadmaps for everything else that has FOMO, like the Kill Team seasons and other limited time/edition offerings. That said, I do think they'll come out with boxes for the known supported armies, but maybe they'll release a launch schedule at LVO. Meanwhile, knowing that certain factions won't be supported or tournament legal (Lizardmen, Dark Elves, Skaven, Ogres, Vampire Counts, Daemons, and Chaos Dwarfs), it still feels half-assed by GW to capitalize on existing WHFB fans and potential new players. Personally, I'm not an old WHFB player and don't have much interest in splitting my time and energy (and money spent on books) between AoS and WHFB. I'm just waiting to see what AoS 4.0 looks like.

[@user-df5nb8zy7e]

I am probably getting Ambush starters for Kings of War. They look like fun, and most (if not all) are coming in multi-part hard plastic. And that includes hard plastic chaos dwarves - something that other company will probably never make.

[@chiddy786]

All the armies I'm interested in are either part of the legacy factions or were teased and never released like Kislev. So in the meantime, I'll buy the few remaining units for my armies and rebase everything