What Was Melkor's/Morgoth's Biggest Mistake? | Lord of the Rings Lore

[@thanosandnobill3789]

Not lifting weights and practicing judo so he can beat up Tulkas.

[@robertlewis8295]

I heard that he always skipped leg day!

[@yggdrasild755]

@@robertlewis8295 gym brahs are cringe -clean up nature or help in gardens instead

[@lestercross5123]

Not sharing his Netflix password back when you could do that

[@rigo-mma]

@@yggdrasild755im not a gym bro but it’s 100000x more cringe for a man to spend his time gardening 🤣

[@carlambroson8872]

Come on man… no one can beat Tulkas!

[@TheMarcHicks]

For me, his greatest misstep was in underestimating the strengh of Men & Elves prior to the Battle of Sudden Flame. As the Silmarillion suggests, had he just waited a bit longer to build his forces, the that battle might have been the end ot Beleriand.

[@Irdanwen]

And yet, there can be no hatred for Melkor. For he played the role Eru Illuvatar gave him. Eru knew that for a perfect world to be, it had to first be imperfect, and chose to collect the entire imperfection in one role and entrusted that to Melkor. He would not have sang discordant notes if Eru had not meant for him to. For Eru could have easily stopped him, yet didn't. It could even be argued that Eru ought to be grateful to Melkor for accepting the role of not accepting his place in creation.

[@midgetydeath]

It's not even clear if the ainur are true individuals like the Children of Illuvatar are. Remember the nature of the dwarves when first created by Aule? Perhaps the ainur are like that to Eru Illuvatar and were never given true life in the first place. If so, Melkor can't even actually be held responsible for any of his "decisions" and neither can Sauron since they wouldn't have free will.

[@chosenundead5009]

That's a unique point of view you have there that makes sense

[@fred20097]

I totally agree. Was going to write something like that myself, but you say it perfectly. Part of creation is destruction, I guess.

[@landofalwayswinter666]

I agree but it certainly opens the door to a huge discussion on free will vs. pre-ordained future. Doesn’t this basically mean that free will is at best an illusion? I think Tolkien himself struggled with this question and didn’t claim to have the answer

[@fred20097]

@@landofalwayswinter666 for what it's worth, I think we have free will plus chance/luck. Sometimes, things happen by chance. While God may or may not have our lives planned out, that's not for us mere mortals to worry about lol

[@wg5560]

His biggest mistake was pouring his power into other things. If he let others do that he would end up comparatively stronger.

[@briansheets3996]

Another video par excellence as usual! Keep up the great work!

[@TiesOfZip]

It’s not exactly a misstep to have a fundamental character defect of not being able to accept that you’re part of something greater than yourself. It’s not a mistake, or series of mistakes, he makes. It’s built into him.

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

He definitely was how he was made. Yes he was made that way on purpose you and he was even told that. Had to be that way because good had to be a choice. You can only be good in the presence of evil.

[@skillsmachine9164]

The fact that the balrogs had time to get to him and save him from ungoliant was a little silly too. Especially if you look at one of these first photos of it...shes right there.

[@josephvisnovsky1462]

If Eru Iluvatar created Morgoth, then wasn't he playing his part in the ineffable song?

[@RobertEskuri]

Perhaps Eru didn't want to get bored. He had to maintain his creation even after it was completed. He let evil get as strong as it could and then crushed it.

[@johnkamadeva4747]

@@skillsmachine9164 My own speculation is they must’ve conjured a spell of unnatural speed to reach to Melkor/Morgoth in time before Ungoliant could devour him since Melkor could only stall her with his ungodly screams for a time, also Balrogs are after all still Maiar with demigod powers albeit corrupted version and very much capable of using powerful magic and spells whenever they want to but I dunno maybe I could be wrong lol But hey whatever the true version of how the Balrogs somehow managed to reach Morgoth in time given how far Angband is to where the place Ungoliant held Morgoth hostage, sadly we can never truly know brilliant yet complex and complicated mind of Tolkien and all we can do is speculate it in our own ways of imaginations

[@inblackestnight9256]

I am always in awe of the images you use in your vids. I can clearly see your source citing, but have you bought or made any of them yourself? Excellent as usual!

[@alanmike6883]

One thing you can say about sauron over his boss was the ability to adapt

[@shereemcclelland2186]

Great video, as always. 🤗

[@annaroselarsen4218]

Cool topic!

[@TheBrokenSword]

💚💚

[@gmcoates63]

If Melkor could not create life, but could only distort and corrupt it, from what life were dragons a corruption?

[@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74]

The eagles

[@williamafton348]

I’m curious to see how Melkor/Morgoth would look in live action, animation or in a game, hopefully they don’t make him just a bigger Sauron, giving him a unique, intimidating yet grand design, leaning into his Satan/Lucifer influences could separate his appearance from Sauron’s more, I incorporate a Satanic influence and some Balrog with some details that are reminiscent of Sauron in my drawings of Melkor/Morgoth. Weta did such a phenomenal job with Sauron’s design that it’ll be hard to do Morgoth right.

[@j-mc5201]

Great great channel!

[@TheBrokenSword]

Thank you! 🙏

[@JonnyHighTyde]

His biggest mistake was that he underestimated Gryffindor and the powers of Charles Xavier. Just like Aragorn said to Captain Kirk on Alderaan ..."with great power comes great responsibility"

[@StarsAndDreamz]

I was so upset when they cgi'd Katniss over Yoda in that scene.

[@VaderzBane]

Y’all need to be jailed

[@morningstar577]

Captain Kirk lived happily ever after....on Alderaan.

[@Daniel-h3e9b]

... LoL 🎉 😮 🎉 🍻

[@majornugzzz5424]

Wasn't that the scene just before Iron Man smashed Willow into the forest so Ahchoo could find him?

[@teemusid]

He went in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

[@Chlef]

great video! also what is the song used in chapter 5 In the video?

[@fex3onn734]

Sick video again

[@hannah51238]

His biggest mistake was taking the Silmarils, followed by underestimating Fingolfin

[@fred20097]

These videos are like university lectures. I'm sitting in a classroom taking a course on Tolkien. I have no problem with that.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

His biggest mistake was having exo-skeletons lying around in the Angbangarena, his mighty Maddonnangelcus Mother of Harpies was defeated easly by a fledgeling padawan

[@villekuronen6242]

are we sure Melkor's ¨rebellion¨ wasnt part of Eru's plan? if it all was part of Eru's plan then Melkor was perfect

[@mikeynth7919]

Biggest mistake? Rebelling against Iluvatar. Wasn't going to end well.

[@wagon9082]

Good video

[@colinleat8309]

Melkor isn't a Monster, he's just misunderstood. He just needs a hug! 🤣🤣. 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️

[@mateuszslawinski1990]

Aule was bold, but humiliated himself before Eru and was pardoned. Of course, there's also possibility of Melkor's rebellion being "necessary" as per Eru's plan.

[@fred20097]

I think that ultimately, Morgoth succeeded despite a few failures. First, middle earth is an alternative history of britain. Morgoth targeted the elves, and today there are no elves. Second, Morgoth was part of Eru, part of his thought from the outset. Nothing happened which he didnt permit in the first place. He was simply playing out the role assigned to him.

[@busterizow]

"War ... war never changes " I see what you did there

[@KaosRunes]

His biggest mistake was thinking he was the mightiest and underestimating his foes.

[@Fossilsaurus1020]

I thought u we’re going to talk about how his true literal weakening stemmed from the marring of arda, and that the more he did to corrupt, the more arda and its beings became corrupted, but the weaker HE became. Just like with Sauron putting his power into the ring and becoming weaker without it, except Morgoth couldn’t reclaim his spent power. That’s part of why he stayed in the safety of angband, because he had already weakened himself greatly, which is probably the only way fingolfin was able to do so well and injure him like that.

[@blackshadow228]

What I love about this world, is as mighty & skilled as the elves are, they envy human life (or at least the oldest and wisest do) But the humans envy the longevity of the other races (hobbits 100+ years, certain blessed humans 200+, Dwarves 600+, Elves immortal?) Humans are seen as children, not just because their lifespans are short, but because most don’t use their limited time to show their potential Some master human smiths, have crafted weapons/items on par (or just below) with dwarves and elven masters While some human warriors can fight, just as hard, as literal immortals

[@random22026]

1:56 And there they are ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@TarMody]

Melkor's mistake was in wanting to have the (Secret Fire) power of creation like Eru. Within the framework of the nihilist philosophy into which he was dragged, his desire to destroy is a result of not having the power and ability to create. This is not actually a mistake. Because Melkor, like the other Ainur, is a reflection of the part of Eru's mind from which he came. Therefore, the problem here is God (Eru) himself.

[@scottmccrea1873]

It's the same question Christians ask about Satan: why didn't Ilúvatar simply destroy Melkor?

[@haerverk]

"Mælkåh".. New pet peeve unlocked

[@SK4M_Freal]

Fighting Fingolfin was a pretty bad mistake, although he killed him he had one hell of a limp and scars to show how he got merked by the badass elf. 🧝🏽‍♂🤺🧝🏽‍♂

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

To me, this story is a tribute to God. It's a more detailed version of the fight against evil. How important life and love and the appreciation of everything we have is. How we always must rage against those who would destroy it. We forgot that somewhere because it's all around us. Such a wonderful story.

[@Tim.Stotelmeyer]

Ticking Fëanor off. If Morgoth had skipped taking the Silmarils and killing Finwë Fëanor would never taken a host of elves back to Middle Earth.

[@0u73rh34v3n]

You can always tell when part of a script is written by ChatGPT 😅 Love these vids regardless ❤

[@robertbrown633]

Not to soil all things with U.S. politics, but I am amazed, and deeply ashamed, at how closely the description of Melkor matches that of a certain Donald J. Villainy, as a detriment to civilization, is universal.

[@toddmullaney9472]

@@robertbrown633 care to elaborate

[@Cauin450]

He opened his big mouth during the family singalong?

[@jdatkin8601]

Someone educate me here. Was Melkor's original purpose not to act as an assistant and confident of sorts to Eru? If so, is his fall not directly the fault of Iluvatar? Look at it from Melkor's point of view: all day long your friend gets to play with paints and art supplies. They ask you for your thoughts and talk to you about what they are painting and how their project will go. You, however, are never allowed to try and paint for yourself. That would bother me.

[@huntingsnipeified]

His mistake was thinking he could win!

[@jose280714]

Thank you.

[@joshharris6525]

Idea for a video: “What if Aragorn went to Minas Tirith instead of Gandalf in Return of the King?” Purely hypothetical but what if when Aragorn says he will go to Minas Tirith instead of Gandalf saying no straight up he’s just like……OK 🤣 how would events have played out? Would Aragorn have been more or less successful with leading the defence of Minas Tirith than Gandalf? Something I’ve always wondered if Aragorn had led the defence would how would it have went? We know he led the defence at Helms Deep and did pretty well considering the massive number difference etc. Just a thought! Thanks!

[@villekuronen6242]

sure Aragorn would have done well with leading defence but real question is how Denethor would have reacted to Aragorn

[@joshharris6525]

@@villekuronen6242 very true, I doubt it would have been a warm reception 😬

[@villekuronen6242]

@@joshharris6525 im about 65% sure that Denethor would have gotten Aragorn executed for some bullshit reason

[@joshharris6525]

@@villekuronen6242 I think it would depend on circumstances, we see the soldiers of Gondor have loyalty/respect towards Gandalf so if they knew who Aragorn was it would be the same for him I imagine, either way Denethor would do far more to undermine any progress Aragorn makes than he did with Gandalf

[@villekuronen6242]

@@joshharris6525 i think perhaps few high ranking and high born people knew who Aragorn is but i doubt average soldiers knew anything unlki with Gandalf where everyone at least knows about him but Denethor would definitely have undermined Aragorn way way more

[@StarsAndDreamz]

How weak was Morgoth when Ungoliant was able to threaten him and he had to call the balrogs? (Or was she just super-charged on tree juice?) Do you all think the horde of balrogs could take her down?

[@Reladan187]

Super tree juice and she wasn’t a weak being by no means

[@johnkamadeva4747]

In a sense yes, especially there were complete 7 of them, yes Ungoliant was empowered by the Light of the Two Tress but her Spider body was bound mortal she’s only super-powerful but not invincible, for Balrogs are no ordinary foes either, they’re Morgoth’s main Warhammer soldiers in his arsenal and let’s not forget they were once Maiar, primordial divine angelic spirits who like their superior brethren The Valar, existed before time and creation began and they have powers akin to that of a Demigod and even when Morgoth corrupted them to service they still retain their Maiar powers so yes combine all 7 together combine could definitely slay Ungoliant hence why the reason she immediately flees because she knows she’s outmatched by the full might of the Balrogs even with her super powered form

[@StarsAndDreamz]

@@johnkamadeva4747 well said. Not much can stand against 7 fully powered balrogs.

[@johnkamadeva4747]

@@StarsAndDreamz except for Fëanor though, as @sshole as he is, he’s actually the most powerful of all the Eldar race (Fingolfin comes in 2nd to him while the 3rd is Ecthelion) In the entire Legendarium, Fëanor is pretty much the only one who fought the full might of the Balrogs before being finally slain by the Gothmog, Lord and mightiest of Balrogs in the end it really says that even though he’s an asshole, he’s not one to be underestimated with, gotta give him credit for standing his own against the full might of the Balrogs even though it was gonna be in vain in the end, an absolute beast of an Elf

[@CaioMav]

That Fallout reference. Haha

[@junon]

His biggest mistake was thinking he'd win.

[@clapt0wn235]

His biggest mistake was fkn with Fingolfin

[@Belugamale8738]

Ghey

[@kuvasz5252]

Singing the Ainulindalë off key?

[@STMukr]

Eru was loving Melkor. But a Melkor is rebel....

[@davect01]

Ftom what I understand of Melcor, he only wanted to destroy and dominate. He had no other plan

[@StarsAndDreamz]

Oh and absolutely love the nod to Fallout 🫡

[@Nousos]

Wth? Morgoth's biggest mistake was rejecting God and wanting creation for himself. Doomed to fail.

[@GohanScholar]

he isn't Tom Bombadil

[@oddjam]

"for it's own sake" really? Doesn't literally everybody who is tempted by the ring have a "sake" that isn't power itself, in fact isn't that quite literally the entire point Tolkien makes. Maybe it's just the seeking of power for ANY sake. Or maybe gandalf doesn't make the point that "Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused." Maybe Tolkien didn't write that ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Think about it, did gandalf want to be sent to Arda at all? Maybe his lack of desire to become one of the Istari is exactly WHY he was the best one. 🤔 Not to be nit-picky but people always say "power for power's sake" and it really pisses me off that it's literally the opposite, it's for SOME sake every single time. I honestly don't mean to single you out when so many other folks say this same thing so often. Otherwise very good video. I totally agree about the desire for dominance. Liked and subbed o7

[@TheOldWeigh]

Seems to me Tolkein just reimagines and retells the Biblical account of the Fall of Lucifer

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

Yes, a little bit but it was more intricate and interesting. But yes, that's what it's like. It was meant to be a mythology of creation. He was Catholic. The only difference is there's not going to be a final battle between Good and evil. He didn't want to undo all the good that was done. It's an enjoyable story. But yes, this is a tribute to the Bible. Not a mockery of any kind. It's a tribute to love and life and the fight against evil.

[@karlandersson4350]

There is no doubt that Melkor represented his views on what Lucifer was no. I read somewhere that Tolkien hated metaphors, but Melkor/Morgoth is without doubt a representation or if you like a metaphor for Lucifer.

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

@@karlandersson4350 Melkor was obviously a simile for Lucifer. Now what was sauron ? He didn't really exist in regular mythology or the Bible. Just Lucifer light I guess.

[@bloodysimile4893]

@BrianEthridge-wg6ko to put it simply, Saruon goes to being the ultimate perfection in his own way. Believe he knows what best than his creator, anyone who doesn't is his enemy. Much like humans believes they know better than God by trying to insert their own goals above other. Sauron is what considered the idea of the ultimate or perfect human, which is irony as the more evil Sauron became more human he has become, losing his omnipotent wisdom. For example why mount doom was left unguarded because Sauron believes no one would destroy his ring. It wasn't even a thought he bother toyed with, believeing his enemies would try to used his ring against him.

[@BrianEthridge-wg6ko]

@@bloodysimile4893 Thank you for that response. I really mean that. I can't argue with it. That's quite thoughtful and intuitive. I didn't think about it like that. I think philosophy is kind of a joke because it just creates a circle but a circle of life is the same thing. It works that way because that's the only way it can. I think evil is the exact same way you can't have good without the bad!! How you can you call yourself good or be happy and good if you have no reference point. Guess the true meaning of it is the human race always needs something to rage against!!!

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

What was Melkor's biggest mistake? There's lots of it.

[@morgoth173]

Video 296

[@bird65413]

Melkor... same as tRump

[@agentofchaos1820]

Melkor did no mistakes but did his role. He’s part of Eru’s thought. Maybe Eru felt bored and just want to see some drama in his creations.

[@damianhSlayer]

It is not Malkor but Melkor.Just saying!

[@CrookedRosePOD]

Just a reminder, Harry Potter fans think Dumbledore can beat melkor

[@charlie7531]

This is the stupidest comment ever. Please delete it

[@jonasfavela6909]

Tell me this does not have anything to do with Christianity....

[@walksfarwolf6070]

Being evil.

[@JamesHoffa1]

First