What WAS Mutant Dragonite?

[@cyruss6536]

This episode is why I think gigantamax Dragonite should exist

[@ldmtag]

Gigantamax? But it looks exactly like a regular Dragonite. It's a Dynamaxed one

[@ldmtag]

@@THGMR-ox7sd I like! This is my second favorite generational gimmick after berries/items in Gen 2 or maybe third after Hidden abilities. Every pokemon has access to it, and Dynamaxing makes weak moves decently strong. I'm a dude raised in the era where TMs were breakable and most were not re-obtainable, this gave me habit not to teach my pokemon strong moves and rely on level-up learnset. Dynamax is a perfect gimmick for me!

[@The_MMS]

@@THGMR-ox7sd I love dynamax and Gigantamax its way more balanced than MEGAs

[@Glorpglop78]

@Syfer plays Mega evolution is unbalanced as it basically doubles the stats of a Pokémon.

[@photon6490]

@Syfer plays dragoniteite mega stone dumb dumb

[@arts1106]

There’s also a scientific explanation most reptiles don’t stop growing and they can theoretically live forever if they have enough energy so maybe this is the oldest Dragonite in the world

[@ale-xsantos1078]

Thats true for lobsters

[@arts1106]

@@ale-xsantos1078 yeah those too lol

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

Dragonite is most likely based on a salamander/dragon..... Dratini and dragonair are tadpole stages, which explains why they live in water. Most likely not a reptile unless you consider a dragon a reptile even though they are not real

[@RealLifeIronMan]

That's not remotely true SloppyMetal914. There is no reptile species I'm aware of that has what is called scientifically "biological immortality".

[@arlethmedina5542]

I don't agree remember in one episode a tentacrule ate toxic sludge and turned huge maybe this dragonite did the same

[@raspberrykitsune256]

It might actually be a reference to a move called "The Fog Horn" from 1951, where it's believed that a giant monster mistakes a lighthouse foghorn for the call of another monster

[@thelairofblair]

I was thinking the same thing

[@SumitSStark]

​@DB-uh7ks Godzilla was based on/inspired from The Fog Horn

[@RedSet_Diancie]

They predicted Dynamax in the 2000s

[@tristanross7673]

The dynamax lore we could have had

[@earthboundfan9446]

Honestly the dragonite kinda reminds me of a thing I learnt recently which maybe can explain size I think it's something like deep sea gigantism

[@Huskygaming465]

Funny thing it's a dynamax

[@josiahperea5062]

@@Huskygaming465 it’s not

[@that_Grey_Area]

@@josiahperea5062 yeah in the animation they say that dynamax has a time limit

[@darkcylander]

that episode is actually based off of a story by Ray Bradbury called "the foghorn" about a giant underwater dinosaur gets attracted to a lighthouse because it's foghorn made a similar sound that it made. with in pokemon lore it doesn't make a lot of sense. but keep in mind this was one of the earliest episodes in the series. the lore wasn't strict back then, it was just a crazy tv show loosely based on a video game and they could do whatever they wanted. There was also an episode with an unexplained talking ghastly that had many supernatural powers that the pokemon isn't supposed to have. and that episode was made by the same writer as this one.

[@Charlesperalo]

Giant Dragonite was clearly supposed to be Lugia. 1. Singing is a big thing for it, which isn’t for Dragonite, but is for Lugia. 2. Lives in the ocean, which Dragonite doesn’t, but Lugia does. 3. The writing/voice acting doesn’t show any reference to it being a Dragonite, likely meaning this was all done before the animation. My guess is they wanted to do this as a nod to Lugia, but lacked a final design, so they just did giant Dragonite.

[@AyameSohma1993]

I've thought the same thing myself. Especially because the sounds it makes are either the same or nearly identical to the ones made by Lugia in the movie.

[@decapodAJ]

mutant dragonite does sound cool! i always loved that episode, one of my all time favorites. i believe i had it on vhs tape because i loved it so much when i was younger.

[@S3verusMyG]

Y’all gotta remember, that thing is probably just 30 ft tall. Pokémon are very short due to the characters being short, so it’s probably just under the height of wailord

[@flygonplayzpokemon6353]

Mutant dragonite travels so it coulda been so close to eternatus when it came to watch it permanently dynamaxed

[@ldmtag]

Can be permanently, or maybe he just wasn't beaten enough to revert back to normal size

[@ale-xsantos1078]

The Mewtwo at the door isnt necessarily a mistake Bill is a time traveler in the games and in the anime he's friends with Prof Oak who time traveled with Celebi, he knowing about Mewtwo who only shows up in the future reinforces the possibility of him being one in the anime as well

[@afro025]

No not really. Professor Oak only experienced time travel once, that isn't his area of expertise. And bill in the games is completely different to bill in the anime. It's a reach to say he's a time traveler, so it's most likely that it was a mistake on the animator's part

[@Seekeroftruth806]

@@afro025 remember there are many time lines with different events in the Pokémon series

[@afro025]

@@Seekeroftruth806 ik, and we're talking about this one specific timeline we're watching in this episode

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@afro025 most likely not a mistake.... The animators and the writers of the show knew the source material well.... They did Easter eggs all the time and the anime reference the games all the time..... Ex: fans thought for ever Tracey was just a filler character made up from no where..... Turns out he was cherry picked from this old published Japanese Pokedex book from 1995. It's rare and it just translated by Did you know gaming And HiRespokemon.

[@afro025]

@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo no, it most likely *was* a mistake because in the continuity of the show mewtwo wouldn't have existed yet. this wasn't some easter egg, this is contradicting the established pokemon timeline also i know what didyouknowgaming video you're talking about, but tracey does not appear in it. not even bulbapedia mentions that so it was most likely just a character that looked similar to tracey

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

The episode is based on a book where a Loch Ness monster type of sea monster is attracted to the light of a lighthouse

[@aurahoneydew9607]

Hey remember that episode with the Giant Gengar and Jigglypuff with markings. I submit to you that this Dragonite is one of those giant marked mons.

[@Moonstriker2514]

There was also a giant Alakazam in that episode and i think giant Claydol(different episode)

[@that_Grey_Area]

I think those were confirmed to be mech

[@GarryDKing]

@@that_Grey_Area you're thinking of the island of giant pokemon episode, the kaiju gengar, alakazam and jigglypuff were a different ep alltogether

[@komi___]

Bill could have helped with the creation of Mewtwo, like Mr. Fuji.

[@ale-xsantos1078]

There's the rumour this Dragonite was supposed to be Lugia actually before they knew what the pokemon would look like

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

Yup I heard that rumor was true.... I think lugias call is still there.

[@Moonstriker2514]

Lugia was planned to be movie exclusive so i doubt it

[@dmaxwell910901]

That was definitely a cool theory, but it's since been made more widely known that Lugia was originally created purely for the second film, for which development didn't start until after Mewtwo Strikes Back.

[@AdMechTechSupport]

Imagine having that Dragonite and Dynamaxing it.

[@khfan4life365]

Some think that the giant Dragonite was a placeholder for Lugia, which would make sense given that we see Ho-Oh at the end of episode one, and the team didn’t have the design for him yet.

[@thisistheaccountname]

That was the very first episode of Pokemon I ever watched. I miss classic Pokemon.

[@The_MMS]

I hope this Godzilla sized dragonite returns

[@TreeckoBro]

I also love how they showed the whole "you can't have 6 Pokemon at once" thing visually. Always made me wonder why trainers didn't carry more. Cool detail that Pokeballs are programmed to transport away when you have six.

[@lila.papaya]

I think it's just a particularly large Dragonite, but it reminds me as well of the 52 Hertz Whale- a whale that sings in another frequency that other whales can't understand. Perhaps the Dragonite's size and unique singing calls make it unable to be understood by other Dragonite?

[@SnowyWolborg]

So do I. It isn't the first time we have seen abnormal Pokemon in the anime. Sometimes they are huger in size compared to others(though this Dragonite was *massive* even next to other giant 'Mons), Meowth learned to speak at the expense of his potential to get stronger, and the Ghastly from Maiden's Peak had abilities that were more like sorcery rather than anything else.

[@commander_frog]

Pokemon Chernobyl confirmed

[@Z-Vee]

Bill built his lighthouse on a power spot.

[@cheeseburgerlazers]

getting a gaxtorex episode on my birthday is so awesome

[@martingranados7974]

happy birthday !

[@GatorEX]

I’m late, but happy birthday!

[@cheeseburgerlazers]

@@GatorEX thank u!!

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

I looks like a Godzilla reference to me lol

[@waynejohnson1521]

A wise one once said that "the magic is in the mystery. It the mystery is gone, then so is the magic"

[@insanemakaioshin]

Dragonite could be from the Orange islands, as there was an island with giant Pokémon.

[@LeneAlexandraa]

This was supposed to be Lugia. The cries of this Dragonite are similar to the cries in the movie where Lugia appears for the first time. Theories suggest that they scrapped it last moment, because they didn’t want to ruin the hype around Mewtwo, so they went with a large Dragonite instead.

[@venonatsagamer1242]

They just could put a mewtwo on the "dragonite" and they could be SO MUCH HYPE

[@afro025]

No it wasn't lol. Lugia wasn't even in development at the time this episode was being made which makes the whole theory fall apart

[@LeneAlexandraa]

@@afro025 And I assume you’ve got an incredible source to provide us that states that Lugia wasn’t in development at that time?

[@afro025]

@@LeneAlexandraa yeah, I do. *a lot* of evidence. First of all, lugia wasn't created by game freak but rather by takeshi shudo, the head writer of the pokemon anime. He created it because gold and silver was still in development and they needed something for the second movie to center around. Eventually the writers decided to make their own pokemon for the movie which is how lugia was created. Remember, this episode came out in *1997,* which is *two* whole years before the second pokemon movie came out in japan. Not to mention how an episode of pokemon at the very least takes 6 months in advance to make before it airs because of the script, animation, voice acting, and much more. Anyhow game freak was impressed by lugia and decided to put him in the game. This is why in the space world demo for gold and silver lugia was *nowhere* to be seen, as it was never planned to be in the game to begin with. My sources for this information are takeshi shudo's blog posts which have been archived and translated by dr lava, but you can also watch "did you know gaming's" video talking about the creation of lugia

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

@@afro025 See I heard a version of the theory where it was supposed to be Lugia but his design was not done yet, so they put a Dragonite instead. Which is why you could hear his cry's. Do you know when the creator started making Lugia? Maybe he wanted his monster to be in his written anime but couldn't reach his own dead line....

[@Sybry605]

4:19 "tomboy Tuesday"

[@ShockInazuma]

He is Virus Groudon's Father's Aunt's Mom's 6th cousin's brother

[@afro025]

My theory is that it's a robotic dragonite from the island of giant pokemon, not only because it's, ya know, big, but also because both of those episodes are written by takeshi shudo. It could also just be biologically big. I think the mistique around it makes the episode have this timeless feel

[@Reiamnm]

That would make sense

[@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo]

That makes sense especially since it's eyes glow and it moves a little oddily. The only thing though is that Shudo named him "mutant Dragonite" not " mecha/ robotic Dragonite".... I guess we will never know..... honestly I never liked this episode. It confused me that they made Dragonite so big and bill was annoying to 5 year old me..... In retrospect it's a very interesting episode.

[@scottwalker5379]

How cool we'll see if we see this giant Dragonite return in the newest series during the day or at night just imagine see how big does dragon it would be in daylight if they decide to bring the giant Dragonite back in the new series

[@feefre]

Funny enough, there was a unlicensed pokemon game for Android that referenced not only this dragonite, but the episode itself

[@hot-headedloosewire6878]

What game was that?

[@2KXMKR]

I always paired it with the ancient Alakazam, Gengar and Jigglypuff from that one episode that one time. But honestly an ancient version of Dynamax wouldn't be too Farfetch'd. It'd actually explain all of the giant Pokémon we've seen.

[@arlokloiber2715]

I think it's pretty clear in context that this is a reference to godzilla and his classic origins

[@CORONAKAIZOKU1]

I always thought dragonite was a legendary as a kid because of how they said its the only one. Maybe its one of the guardian pokemon you know how there is a giant avalugg in arceus legends. Maybe this is similar.

[@Shinyprofjareth]

This is one of my favorite pokemon episodes also mutation are a thing in real life bule eyes are a mutation

[@RaptorofRex07]

Suede theory of this this is that it’s a malfunction robot from the island of giant Pokémon

[@LeneAlexandraa]

That theory doesn’t really make sense, because it showed emotion.

[@RaptorofRex07]

@@LeneAlexandraa Fair enough I haven’t seen this episode in a long time

[@dannylopez5976]

The answer is real simple. Remember the episode Island of the Giant Pokemon a few episodes later? That Giant Dragonite is literally a malfunctioning animatronic and Bill has wasted his life chasing after a toy.

[@kuitaranheatmorus9932]

I think it was just one very spooky Dragonite so that's pretty good,and I love this video.

[@AlexanderM01]

1:10 All of that art seems to be copied off of the old TCG art from the first three sets. I noticed it almost right away. Does fit your idea that they just chose Pokémon they thought looked cool, regardless.

[@channelrandom2225]

It was dynamaxed game freak remembers here are some examples: Misty clearly saw a mega garydos in the anime in the Kanto anime A super tall eggxeutor in some old merchandise years before it’s alola form wasn’t out A slowpoke catching a fish this would appear in a spin off as slowpoke catching basculine

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

What do you mean about Slowpoke?

[@channelrandom2225]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 slowpoke caught a fish resembling Basculine in some spin-off Before Basculine was released

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@channelrandom2225 yesh where?

[@speedymemes1323]

I remember this episode actually

[@Thatasian115]

I think its more related to the giant jigglypuff and alakazam

[@DrestPaperMask]

Plot twist It’s a Secret Gen 9 Pokémon revealed before they even thought about Gen 2

[@munnadevi9877]

GIGANTAMAX DRAGONITE! EASTER EGG I THINK

[@khfan4life365]

Do you guys remember the Pokemopolis episode that showed huge prehistoric Pokémon? Maybe that giant Dragonite is a part of that group. Also, this episode was based on Ray Bradbury’s story called The Foghorn. In the story, two men worked at a lighthouse and found out the foghorn attracted a lonely deep sea creature.

[@haraldviberg534]

This scared me as a kid

[@espurrjelly]

This reminds me of that massive the claydoll, and muk.

[@CrimsonAkato]

bill Fu(-rry)- .. fine guy

[@RobertoWCruz]

Keep up the work man they're really great.

[@aarongold7220]

This is just a hint towards dynamax pokemon.

[@ldmtag]

Bill doesn't insist those statements are facts. He was more like suggesting. Like, it could be the biggest pokemon out there, it could be one of its kind, etc. These are not what to base a theory on.

[@cooper3814]

what if it's not a mutant, what if it was like some sort of totem pokemon... okay I admit totem pokemon are probably mutants

[@googleaccount9256]

It’s an homage to Godzilla. Hence the exact screech made by the giant Pokemon. Being it was the beginning of the show, they didn’t have an established lore. Perhaps they weren’t thinking of continuity. There a quite a few concepts that were left without an explanation. Ironically its ambiguous nature of not adding up, has made the episode so memorable. We were never supposed to have an official answer. It was a single spinoff, that they never intended to elaborate on.

[@Tenortheatrenerd]

*Max raid battle music intensifies*

[@rob2x._rob307]

I cracked it that dragonite it was the first dragonite to exist ever hence why it so big and to the dratini and draganaires that dragonite is like there god or maybe mother

[@Disturbedmelloow]

Rewatching pokémon from the 1st anime series through to the last (not where they changed Ash, hate that.) And the series I have not seen last since I was under 8 years old hahaha and well immediate memories and mystery came back the same as when I was a child and this question indeed arose in my head. God it's so nice to make this travel back to the 90's

[@GuiTomoTuber]

The only true sucessor to Bonmucho

[@nathanielabraham2075]

Pretty sure this episode is kind of inspired by an old short-story called "The Fog Horn", and it's basically about a giant monster spotted near a lighthouse. That same short-story inspired a 1953 Ray Harryhausen monster movie "The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms" and that movie in turn was, alongside 1933 King Kong, one of the main inspirations for the first Godzilla movie in 1954. Huh... are we sure Pokémon aren't at least a bit related to the Kaiju?

[@veloxfurem]

the fact that its described as being the only one of its kind, sounds pretty lonely if you ask me. which in turn reminds me of some whales whose songs cannot be heard by others of their kinds, which turns them into very lonely individuals indeed. and this dragonites song truly does sound lonely and sad, and in a way desperate, just like those whales songs likely would. great now im reminded of that one bird that was the last of its kind, singing in intervals where a female bird was supposed to sing along with it.

[@Lazer_Specter]

I expected some sort of theory explaining its large stature.

[@kingbruce20]

pokemon legends arceus if avalugg was dragonite: dragonite the big boy

[@joekauffman9690]

There was a giant claydoll, giant Ganger, giant alakazam, jigglypuff and others I know

[@-_E-_]

well with the introduction of that gigantic avalugg that we face in legends: arceus it could also be a noble dragonite. its got the glowing white eyes

[@godknightomega]

I mean there was also that abnormally large Tentacruel in one episode. Also in that same episode Tentacool can mind control people or at the very least Meowth.

[@Yeahsosoandyeahyeah]

Dragonite was the original Godzilla

[@redhatv1nce848]

I think I read this on a Reddit post and they were saying that the mutant dragonite was supposed to be Lugia I don’t know if it’s true though.

[@redhatv1nce848]

I just realized some already posted this in the comments

[@noemad5391]

Could be one of the giant pokemon robots from ep 17 just a few episodes later

[@pokade3659]

Basically, Bill has an alpha dragonite

[@exarquazowexa7247]

maybe it s like a dominant pokemon like those from sun and moon it s said that its a pokemon that is bigger due to natural causes but it also hasa boost in stats due to it s proximity with cristal Z so mutant dragonite would be like that just without the boost in stats

[@gamestrafe1257]

maybe an alpha dragonite if it has been wandering for a long time

[@MsMoonDragoon]

It's entirely possible dragon types don't have a set lifespan and just keep growing until they can no longer feed themselves as some lizards irl and some dragons in stories do. Due to the fact that this dragon item likely lives far out to sea, it would have endless gyarados and whalords to eat.

[@MsMoonDragoon]

Dragonite!! Who turned on my autocorrect!?

[@scottwalker5379]

Why don't you do a part 2 to the giant Dragonite

[@FearCycle]

Imagine he uses hyperbeam 😮

[@bricbrok5550]

We should bring mutant Dragonite to galar just for fun

[@benjaminmargulies1853]

theory: Galar is north of Kanto not Kalos hence dynamax dragonite

[@yesyes1814]

Smelt eloonma space shit mean a crap one ass one. That was the biggest gia place man!?!?

[@babybartholomewdiscordpuppykit]

Dynamax maybe

[@aminanur4354]

I think this dragon is a dynimax

[@forkliftcertifiedguy7]

I wish dynamax was like this. Not forced, just natural. Could’ve been some sick boss fights in sw and sh. It’s nice we got dynamax but I wish it wasn’t forced by energy.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Why does that matter? Naturally giant Pokémon should be a thing in later games still but letting players grow Pokémon is cool.

[@forkliftcertifiedguy7]

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 good point

[@blueduke6170]

tomboy tuesday!

[@ToastedToaste]

Bruh it was just dynamax dragonite

[@DontInterractWithMeBetween9-5.]

Wheres the full context tho

[@John-mp4qc]

Duh dragonite has dynamax

[@gvenkat2000]

Wow this video was cool

[@TheVegasaur]

It was dynamax

[@Platinum_Alchemist]

gatoREX

[@Frogboyaidan]

Ok

[@Ddddddddddd381]

hey I really enjoy your videos, but your outros are WAY too long. a full minute outro for a 6 minute video is just ridiculous. If you scale your videos up to 30 minutes, would you as a viewer stick around for 5 full minutes reminding you to subscribe? I don't think so, realistically the outros should be under 20 seconds, but your content before is super interesting

[@samigammouh4020]

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[@Karl_Kampfwagen]

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