What Was Ocelot Up To In Metal Gear Solid 2?

[@Ash-Winchester]

Ok ocelot, who are you working for? Ocelot: Everyone... (Proceeds to spin revolver for a whole hour) ...including you! ❕

[@luffiewebster]

💯😂

[@codified_]

Ohhh I love that my comment made it in, I'm really glad that I was able to contribute in one of these videos!

[@luffiewebster]

Me too! Thanks for adding to the conversation!

[@TorturedMongoose2003]

Lucky... If I ever wind up in a video... I'd be freaking out... Similar to how I did during the peace walker playthrough... I was screaming out my lungs having been noticed on KZbin still is a hard pill to swallow...

[@saintvendetta2022]

he was working for me actually i was paying him 37.50 an hour with PTO, benefits, and a penchant.

[@luffiewebster]

At least you're a fair employer 😂

[@therandombats2579]

To be fair, he couldn't have sown his own hand because Gray Fox apparently took it as a trophy. Hey, there's an interesting topic to discuss in a later video. Why did Gray Fox take his right hand?

[@Megajon]

It's a theory on my part but I think Ocelot grafted Liquid's arm onto his own because he found out who his parents were at some point - namely The Sorrow. I thought for the longest time that Ocelot had some recessive gene that let him be possessed by Liquid's ghost in the first place. But by the end of MGS4 we learn it was all a ploy to fool the system. "Cats do love to play as snakes." The only reason I could think of for him to go with this plan is if The Patriots also knew he was related to The Sorrow.

[@luffiewebster]

That's a super interesting theory! So you're saying Ocelot knew he'd be possessed and that's why he purposely stuck Liquid's arm on? Too bad Ocelot didn't have access to BB's arm haha

[@Megajon]

@@luffiewebster Not necessarily. The idea is that The Patriots would come to the conclusion that Liquid possessed Ocelot without realizing that Ocelot was just pretending to be possessed so that he has an alibi for when he works against them. The theory is that Ocelot knew it would work because The Patriots knew who his parents were. And the only reason he knows the trick would work is because he also knows who his parents are as well as The Patriots. I hope that clears things up. 😅 Also, Ocelot grafting BB's arm is low-key hilarious but would actually make for an interesting alternate timeline if Big Boss truly died in Zanzibar. 🤔

[@21stCenturyNabokov]

Ocelot's whole motivation in 5 words:Dicks out for Big Boss

[@luffiewebster]

100% 😂 I could cut all these videos down to 5 seconds and say just that haha

[@moodydude6790]

As hard as it is to trace down Ocelot's loyalties, what I like more about his character journey is that he gets so caught up in his own chess games to the point it costs literally his body and soul.

[@Hariburger]

This was a pretty great analysis. It’s interesting to see how the writers adapted and moulded Ocelots character as the series went on without making his past actions look senseless. Just for your thoughts on something, a part of the story which always intrigued me is how different Solid Snake and Big Boss turned out despite suffering similar circumstances. What factors turned one into a war lord and one into a force for good.

[@SHADOMEGA7569]

Wow Ocelot is literally just "Notice me senpai" as he pulls a ton of strings in a massive scale puppet show. MGS3 solidifies the Notice me senpai aspect

[@Gaz66d]

Ever since MGS1 Occelot has had reverence for BB. “ you’re pretty good, just what I’d expect from the someone with the same code as the boss!” At the time we all took it to mean code NAME , later, we find out that code has a lot of secondary meaning in terms of genetics. The entire plot seems to revolve around genetic predetermination. And “as the boss“ on a whole new meeting when you realize that he’s not talking about Liquid. Ever, since at first battle, we’ve heard ocelot speak highly of Big Boss, especially comparing Snavid to him. And we find out later that “you’re pretty good” is something big boss said to him and would always stick with him. So, even if it’s a recon, it’s an amazingly good one, but it’s always been there … that little seed of respect. Even as Ocelot talks to Eli in theMetal Gear control room… when they talk about creating a new Outer Heaven and recovering BBs remains there’s something there, Ocelot knows about Outer Heaven, like it was BBs dream- and he must’ve been there to see it (at least in part)

[@r3gret2079]

Let's all remember the time Kojima said "the whole scenario of Raiden on the Big Shell was a VR mission", and then let us go crazy. Edit: also let's laugh at Ocelot for believing the Patriots when they said S3 stood for "Solid Snake Simulation". The patriots are some real jerks lol.

[@luffiewebster]

The Big Shell being a VR mission for Raiden is wild 😂

[@r3gret2079]

@@luffiewebster the stuff that man says, I tell you what...

[@lucid8nightmarelucid8night88]

Something that always bugs me between MGS1 & MGS2: After Liquids death, Ocelot claims Liquids arm and supposedly disposes the rest of the body. Solid and Otocon apparently/supposedly recovered the rest of Liquids body to use as a decoy after the tanker mission to make people believe that Liquids body is Solids in order to fake Solids death. So did Ocelot leave the body on purpose? Do you think Solid and Otocon had any suspicion that something was fowl when they recovered Liquids body and it was missing an appendage? Something else that bugs me is the snowmobile. Who left it and why?

[@luffiewebster]

Omg I think about this too!! Like, why did Ocelot leave Liquid's body after yoinking the arm? My headcanon is that Snavid and Otacon shrugged the missing arm off because they figured the wolf dogs got to Liquid's body first haha Also, how was liquid's body still fresh enough to use for bodyparts for BB?? Because he says he's frankensteined back together with parts from both Liquid and Solidus. Also someone said their headcanon was that the snowmobile was Gray Fox's snowmobile (because how else did he get to Shadow Moses?) and that's my headcanon now too haha So without Gray Fox they never would have made it off of Shadow Moses

[@Megaritz]

​@@luffiewebster Liquid's body would probably be unusable for parts after it was at the bottom of the water. I assume the piece of Liquid which was used for rebuilding BB must have been the same arm that Ocelot had attached to himself. In Mgs4, Ocelot appears to have replaced Liquid's arm with a bionic arm, seen in the fight on top of Outer Haven. The Mgs4 database (of disputed canonical status) also says Ocelot replaced Liquid's arm with a bionic arm, between Mgs2 and Mgs4. The arm may have been removed from Ocelot and attached to BB. This makes more sense than the idea of somehow salvaging any piece of Liquid's body after it had been underwater for hours or days.

[@johntrevor2]

Great, thank you🎉

[@luffiewebster]

Of course! Let me know if there's anything else you'd like me to cover!

[@CherryColaWizard]

Ocelot and Big Boss should kiss

[@luffiewebster]

How MGS4 should have ended

[@blakehenry9030]

It's very commendable for you to try to figure out what's our favorite torturers grandmaster plan, but please dont do it remember scanners 😆 that what it will do to your brain, also the problem Metal Gear is each game after mgs1 kinda recons the series as a hole as they come out. While yes i can see the side if new player experience, but that comes at a cost of building the games foundation on sand

[@luffiewebster]

It's too late for my brain, it's already gone with MGS brainrot 😂

[@Gaz66d]

Hey Luffie, just wanted to run a wierd theory I have by you… Idk if I should post it here, but it is kinda Ocelot related and it’s a bit long… what’s the recommended method of submitting a theory for you to cross examine ?

[@luffiewebster]

You can put it here or you can dm me in discord! If you comment it here on KZbin then we can all analyze it together tho and I’ll credit your KZbin name if I make a vid on it! If you reach out through discord, then I can credit your discord username! I can also be reached on twitter (either publicly or thru dms), so really any of those options work! I look forward to hearing your theory!

[@abel8831]

Neat

[@kwaksea]

While I dont want to involve MG4 here, but possession sounds more like excuse for willful mistake he does.

[@brandonperkins176]

He was still working for himself but driven to free Big Boss from the Patriots. Love to see the entire Metal Gear Solid franchise into anime show to follow the game to a science. Be awesome, eh Luffie?

[@luffiewebster]

I would watch the heck out of a Metal Gear Solid anime!!

[@brandonperkins176]

@@luffiewebster me too. If Konami greenlight it to make it happen, I love to join you on commenting and analyzing each episode in the future

[@Curlyfries237]

I would love a video about who would win in a fight Colvin or senator Armstrong both political figures and both big buff dudes and the electricity that cold on produces might mess with Armstrong a nano machines. Just a goofy video

[@luffiewebster]

Did you mean Volgin...? Otherwise I don't know who Colvin is, I'm sorry! If there's a MGS/RE/SH topic you'd like me to cover I'd be happy to tho!

[@Curlyfries237]

@@luffiewebster yes Volgin auto correct

[@AliJamal1993]

Thank you for liking/mentioning my comparison of MGS & Shawshank Redemption 🍾 🪅 🥳 👏 🫡

[@luffiewebster]

That comparison was too good! I had to include it!

[@AliJamal1993]

​@@luffiewebster I'm always happy to contribute 🫡

[@JetLagRecords]

Luffie Webster, You're awesome! Let's be friends, okay?

[@luffiewebster]

You're awesome!!