What Was the False Doctrine of the Dutch Reformed Church?

[@mvdbergrede]

I don't know anything about Afrikaaners, but, even if they believed such things, please don't 'call it the false doctrine of the Dutch reformed church'. There are a dozen of Dutch reformed denominations in the Netherlands, and quite a number of reformed denomination throughout the world, with a Dutch heritage, all of which have nothing to do with South Africa, let alone anything the Afrikaaner people may or may not have believed.

[@more2much696]

want did those churches do about it, nothing

[@jacobtack1945]

Dutch reformed theology is just as false doctrine as any christian church. The Holy Word of the Father says we must follow the example of our Hebrew Messiah of the Bible. 1Pe 2:21 For to this you were called, because Messiah also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps, They call the Father and Son by pagan names, rest on Sunday, the day of the sun worshipper, they celebrate pagan feasts of Christmas and Easter, they eat unclean food and is uncircumcised. The Hebrew Messiah Yahusha, did none of the above church traditions. And that makes the church theology false doctrine. Our Father Never changes: Mal 3:6 “For I am יהוה, I shall not change, and you, O sons of Ya‛aqoḇ, shall not come to an end. SO follow the Messiah of the Bible, then you will find The Way. Joh 14:6 יהושע said to him, “I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Through Yahusha you find salvation, not the church.

[@gforce2924]

Afrikaner did believe they were Gods chosen people that's a fact,

[@Interlocutor67]

The Dutch Reformed Church is in rapid decline and all but useless today.

[@jacobtack1945]

You have no idea of what happened in the South African history. Really you should research first before making statements like this. This statement makes you a liar.

[@sicelo9033]

He speaks the truth, God does not teach hate, murder, rape all the s%#t you did to the people.

[@jacobtack1945]

@@sicelo9033 Which god are you talking about? And i did nothing bto the people. Brush up on your information before blabbing out your mouth.

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

He’s actually right. Truth hurts especially when you are on the wrong side of it.

[@anmariehaller9085]

Will someone please help this Gentleman to get the history of South Africa correct before he peaches any more lies, which is an abomination before God, he will have to account for this before God one day. and he is still smiling as he spreads his lies.

[@levibaer18]

Would you be able to direct me to trusted authors of the history of the Afrikaans? Looking to read about the Godly Dutch Reformers.

[@carlogeorge2349]

​@@levibaer18...Thank you sir, I'm also waiting!

[@pieterpotgieter1903]

This is a lie. This person does not know the history of the Afrikaner in South Africa.

[@yossarianjd9742]

Clearly he doesn't.

[@more2much696]

what's the history

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

He’s actually right.

[@HeyJuuude-05]

We need sources Pieter. What is the truth? Does God wish to have white people rule over blacks, yes or no? And did the Dutch Reformed church believe this interpretation of christian theology?

[@djnon-refundablefee9245]

Wheres the lie?

[@TheBliksempie]

As a pastor, spreading untruths is as bad as inventing them. "Thou shalt not bare false witness." The documented journals of the early Dutch Settlers, including Jan Van Riebeeck and Simon Van Der Stell, indicate the truth. They were kept meticulous as were expected by the Dutch East Indian Company for whom they worked.

[@MazBringsby]

Stop lying to yourself. Afrikaners are still doing this to this day. Generation upon generation of racists.

[@jalapeno.tabasco]

the Reformed will always be slandered by workers of Satan

[@Interlocutor67]

Apartheid simply meant 'separate development.'

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

Actually not. There was more to it than that. The main driving force behind it was racial hatred and superiority complex. Very evil, ungodly system!!!

[@Interlocutor67]

@@juliusmazibuko4501, seeking to destroy your own people demographically and politically is far higher on the list of 'ungodly' things.

[@Interlocutor67]

@@juliusmazibuko4501, no, it was about separate development not hatred.

[@frances9975]

No. Directly translated it means separate-ness or the state of being separate. There is no mention of development so I don't know where you got that from. As the name suggests the emphasis and goal was on dividing people and keeping them separate according to race. The Apartheid government did not care about the development of anyone who wasn't white, other than to limit their chance of development and keep people uneducated, semi-unskilled and oppressed. I don't know where you got this nonsense information but presenting it as fact is deceitful. If you are really unfamiliar and not just a bad actor, I would recommend reading up on pass laws, the Bantu education act, and the ECC's troops out of the townships as a start.

[@Interlocutor67]

@@frances9975, not ‘a bad actor, just not an anti-white liberal. Separate development was and is a great idea. The goal was a self-sufficient white South Africa without reliance on African labor. Business and mining interests subverted that from the beginning. Dr. Verwoerd came closest to implementing the spirit of true Apartheid and we saw what his fate was. Things ran their course and now SA is reverting to typical Sub-Saharan standards with incompetent government, social chaos, and violent crime. The old system was far better. It was better for blacks too.

[@junkerjorg6310]

Well God uses strange ways to build his kingdom. All these people that were there when the dutch got there are now christian. So I would say mission accomplished. Unless you subscribe to a different world view. Then I guess we have to apologise and take christianity back to the jews... Oh thats right.

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

And you think God could not have reached Africans without you and your racist people? You are clearly not serving the righteous and true God of the Bible. Lastly, not all Africans are Christians; a great majority of them still believe in their traditional religion like they did before colonisation. Get your facts right before make your empty racist remarks.

[@MarietaFourie-xy3vi]

No!!!oor BLOEDRIVIER!!!

[@yossarianjd9742]

So, which people lived in Vrystaat and Transvaal before the Afrikaners?

[@johnnylongfeather3086]

Afri-KANNERz. Huh?

[@MazBringsby]

I see a lot of offended Afrikaners here. And the dislikes indicate that he's telling the truth.

[@hokalos]

I’m not Afrikaner, I’m an indigenous, and this video is indeed a lie or at least untruthful.

[@MazBringsby]

@@hokalos If you're white and in South Africa, you're definitely not indigenous to Africa for that matter, AT ALL

[@hokalos]

@@MazBringsby I’m not Afrikaner. I’m not even white. But the video is still full of lie and slander. Learn the actual beliefs of the Dutch Reformed Church from those who actually formed the Dutch Reformed Church, from Calvin to Voetius to Kuyper.

[@hokalos]

@@MazBringsby Further, the question whether Afrikaners are indigenous to South Africa is debatable. They might be relatively new to the area, but is that even a criterion for indigeneity? What makes an ethnic group indigenous in the first place?

[@MazBringsby]

@@hokalos You're obviously trying to sell me on an obvious lie. I don't have the time or willpower to entertain your deception.

[@TheBliksempie]

Today you read the Bible in your own language. You get the Word of God preached to you, in your own language. This was the gift of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. As for Apartheid, the Gospel was given to each ethnic group in their own language, by their own preachers from the Word of God in their own language so that they could also worship the Lord in their own language and thoughts. The Belhar Confession would want to make this Pentecostal Gift a sin.

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

The spreading of the gospel and the translation of the Bible into various ethnic languages could have happened without the two evils of apartheid and colonisation. Nothing is impossible with God. Afrikaaners and British settlers didn’t come to South Africa with pure intention; they were driven by selfish interests which they disguised under the Bible and the gospel of Jesus Christ. But God exposed them and gave African people the power to resist and conquer both evil systems of apartheid and colonisation.

[@HeyJuuude-05]

The man in the video says: “The Dutch Reformed Church used the bible to justify the economic oppression of blacks.” Your Response sounds like: “Yeah, but we gave the blacks the path to eternal salvation, geez! The least they could do is let us economically oppress them. I mean, only people filled with the holy spirit are capable of translating the bible into native languages. No other Europeans but the Dutch could’ve done it, right? We were a blessing to these people. So yeah… apartheid was kind of not bad.” So is apartheid justified?

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

Growing up in the Netherland Reformed church I heard frequent comments about races needing to be separate, Ham was cursed by Noah to be a slave and Ham was black so slavery was his descendants just reward, and those are the two big ones. But as I got into the Bible I could not find any Bible references to Ham's color. Since he was from Noah he'd have been brown. As far as races being separate, again no Bible standing for separation strictly on skin or looks. So I've wondered for years, where did these ideas come from if I can't find them in the Bible?? Finally it dawned on me while researching Jean Calvin a few months ago. Those ideas are from Calvin, NOT from the Bible. Yes, what a mess people create when they follow the words of a very flawed man instead of Scripture, especially Scripture laying out how to interact with and treat your humans. Read Jesus's words, Apostle Paul's writings, and Apostles Peter's writings for a refresher.

[@hokalos]

Can you exactly point out where Calvin actually says the separation of races? In his Institutes, letters, tractates, commentaries? If you have never read Calvin, nor any of the Reformers, then better be quiet.

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@hokalos Point out? You must not know the OT very well and Jean Cauvin's insatiable desire to replicate OT law as well as imitate as many of its laws and practices. Your demand for specific lines is disingenuous at minimum. In Purest Calvinism adhered to by true believers, you believe what you are told to believe, don't be asking for references to back up anything. In others words, just as Jean Cauvin operated in Geneva. That's why I had to research working backwards in time trying to track down the Ham was black, etc. I had no idea where this would lead to but was not shocked. If you know anything about the OT......how many examples or statements are made about "The Elect" staying separate, no mixing with heathen tribes, staying away so as to not be influenced by "outsiders". Keeping away from any ideas and practices so as not to taint Israel. Also if you know the OT you know just how important the topic of ritual purity is to protect the body of The Elect. Surely you have read all these many times over??

[@hokalos]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 again, show me where in any of Calvin’s works that say Ham was black, or that racial purity was to be achieved. I’m reading his Institutes, I’ve read his Golden Booklet, I’m acquainted with the “Calvinistic” confessions: the Heidelberg Catechism, the Canons of Dordt, and the Belgic, Helvetic, and Westminster confessions. I’ve not seen a single piece of what you claim in such writings. Neither Calvin nor the Calvinists were even intent in re-instituting the Mosaic Law, they were not theonomist in the contemporary sense. Read Bullinger, Vermigli, Zanchius, Witsius, all the way to Kuyper and Bavinck. Calvin and the Calvinists had a specific view of how the OT relates with the NT and our contemporary life, it’s called Covenant Theology. They are so far different from what you claimed. You really don’t know what you’re talking about.

[@more2much696]

@@Baltic_Hammer6162 these items come from the enlightenment brother

[@Baltic_Hammer6162]

@@more2much696 So Jean Cauvin was part of the enlightenment?? Really?? Interesting, he was 200 years ahead in the category of progressive thinking? That is the last thing Cauvin could be accused of. LOL

[@SB-xs5te]

Who is this person?

[@joffryvangrondelle]

We don't like preachers to spread nonsens. Even more when they are anonymous and nosy can contact em abo this false video.

[@joffryvangrondelle]

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[@nataliefourie7023]

With the good, there always comes a bit of evil. The Europeans lived in peace for 200 years with the natives until the British arrived and instituted wars, implemented division and sowed the seeds for apartheid. Europeans left in the 1600's to escape the torture and persecution of true Protestant Christians by the hands of psychotic Catholics who murdered and brutally tortured in the name of God. By the grace of God they landed in South Africa and didn't have to fear being torn apart by animals for people's amusement anymore. Every single country is built on divide and conquer, if your nation is weak, a stronger nation will overtake you. If your nation serves God, your nation will be blessed with land and God's protection. Blood River is a classic example of God's protection.

[@HeyJuuude-05]

Does God love the Afrikaaners more than the native Africans?

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

Truth👍🏼

[@SB-xs5te]

This is the first time I heard this.

[@STOPERMEE]

And we had to wait too long for the Dutch Reformed Church to ask for forgiveness in South Africa that they were completely wrong...they waited too long for that..but anyway they are forgiven and let this be a very costly lesson to be carefull with any Bible interpretation and check the original Greek and Hebrew and then come to the right conclusuion..never again go in so big mistakes...ok?

[@TheBliksempie]

At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit came on those in the room and blessed them with speaking in different languages so they could spread the Gospel to all peoples of the earth in their own language. THIS was the gift of the Holy Spirit. In South Africa, the Word of God was given to each ethnic group, in their own language, by their own pastors. How was this not a gift from the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit used the Dutch Reformed Church to translate Bibles into languages like Zulu, Xhosa and Tswana that weren't even written languages at the time. Did God give His word to them in English, Latin or Dutch, so that they may hear His word in a language that they don't understand? No, he spoke to them through their own language by their own people. How then can that be a sin that needs Confession? Rather, that be joyful act that needs celebration that pleases God. Do not blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by declaring His work as sinful.

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

@@TheBliksempie All that doesn’t cancel the fact that white Afrikaners hated and undermined black people simply on the basis of colour, calling them kaffirs and even introduced legislation to oppress black people.

[@brandonlategan7576]

He's right like Christopher Hitchens said Apartheid is a result of Christianity not racism.

[@MazBringsby]

Not really. White Europeans used Christianity to justify their racist acts in South Africa, and other non-white countries.

[@nataliefourie7023]

@@MazBringsby perhaps if you knew about history and why the white Europeans had to leave Europe, you would understand that God's purpose is far more important than your ego.

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

@@nataliefourie7023 And what is God’s purpose in this regard?

[@juliusmazibuko4501]

And you believe Christopher Hitchens?

[@frances9975]

It certainly was as a result of racism. That was kind of the whole point. Sure, the apartheid government used Christianity and Christian doctrines to justify racism and apartheid but that doesn't mean that apartheid was not about racism. What a bizarrely ahistorical and skewed take.