What We Know About Windows 12

Well Its about time we talk about Windows 12. We don't know a lot but we do have some information and some leaks of Windows 12. So today we are going to talk about what we know so far about Windows 12.
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[@3rdpig]

My fear is it will be even more invasive and more restrictive than Win11. But I'm a person who has lost all trust in the leadership of big tech.

[@erdwinjc]

No doubt , windows 11 is making me want to go full slackware instead of dual boot. Running my favorite games in linux with wine will get me banned, it has once in battle net. If i could run everything i need in linux i would ditch windows!!!

[@raven4k998]

your fears are going to happen plus it will hog more system power making your computer even slower then it already is you will learn how much slower your computer can run with windows 12

[@teekay_1]

@@env-dimension_de358k The problem is many vital programs only run under windows.... Calibre, Video processing software, Music software....

[@GenX-Gamore]

Sadly it already is very much so and has been for some years now, in all honesty I miss winXP & Win7, but even when Win7 was fully supported when I did a search it was already showing me what I was just talking about with family or friends. It's going to be even more, the thing is Linux is still not supported by the large majority of program developers nor the gaming community devs, a few here and there but this is where we are today and the future.

[@raven4k998]

@@GenX-Gamore nope but that does not seem to be stopping Linux from running windows games as much as it used to have you as it runs a whole lot more now then before it used to be just dos and up to Directx 9 now even Directx 12 titles seem to run fine Proton has really changed gaming for Linux

[@AJ-po6up]

I would like to see the Classic Windows themes making a comeback for sure, not only Win7 and up but also WinXP and a Windows2000/95 theme!

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

... really?

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

I'll agree with that. After Windows 7 the U.I. went to flat and bland. It's not a joy to look at. Adding Stardock's Start11 helps.

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@MelodicTurtleMetal Yes, really. Those themes looked very good. Colorful, bold, fun for the eyes. 8 to 11 are far from that.

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 xp maybe, but prior was as flat and ugly as possible

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@MelodicTurtleMetal The point being, bold colors were added. It was made to look professional, too. I don't see Windows 8 to 11 looking that way. Actually, when XP was often called "The funny looking Clown Suite for DOS." by people that didn't like computers having a GUI. I though it was a funny statement but I didn't use it because I was still very heavily involved with Amiga 4000 and Cyberstorm PPC at the time, and Workbench 3.1 looked great with NewIcons. Yes, Windows 2000/NT weren't meant to be pretty. They were meant to get the job done..a business interface that was meant to be fast for the hardware of the time.

[@TommyViper]

I loved Windows Classic UI from the Windows 98 days and would love to see that make a return. I don't see a reason to have ever removed it as an option for people who wanted it. Also, another thing Windows 98 got right and is something you touched on, installing features during setup that you wanted and not installing those you didn't want. Sure, it had a typical selection in which it would just install whatever was preset but you also had an advanced mode where you could go through and check items you wanted and uncheck those you didn't want to your heart's content. They can make it happen, they just need to give more power back to the end user.

[@klwthe3rd]

Agreed! Love 98 and XP

[@TommyViper]

@@klwthe3rd Same here, I liked 2000 a bit more than XP because of its very slim system requirements and rock-solid stability, but those were among the last great OSes from Microsoft in my opinion.

[@silentios7336]

I still have the classic look on my win 10 ;)

[@TommyViper]

@@silentios7336 I know there's a couple of projects out there that can bring it back, but seems a bit buggy, especially with right clicking. I take you're using one of these methods?

[@WolfiiDog13]

Idk if it's just nostalgia, but the Win 95/98 UI is my favorite, it's so simple and beautiful

I wish Microsoft watch this stuff, and I wish a very clean integration of all tools and let us install the few we use

[@PhilipMarcYT]

As it should be than what they've turned Windows into.

[@SexyLeaForYou]

A few audio folks are asking for the exact same thing in a gearspace win 11 thread forum!

[@JoeMemes]

microsoft doesn't care about what others think, they care about the money

[@Mantikal]

@@JoeMemes - lets fine tune that - they care about "locking - In" continuous returns for their stockholders.

[@JoeMemes]

@@Mantikal that seems fair

[@lars9925]

Classic Mode with Vista/7 design (aero galss) would be GREAT! It's probably the most desired feature there is.

[@mitchellcrane9809]

Aero glass was very good looking. Instead they call improvement making it look flat and boring

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

Not only does my Vista machine look a lot better than my 11 machine, it just works a lot better.

[@GenX-Gamore]

Yes very true.

[@JacobP81]

Yes Aroe glass was great.

[@xv0007]

Very true

[@ronniewidener8701]

I still think XP was the best system Microsoft ever put out and I wish they had just updated it instead of these new versions which just keep getting worse.

[@ErichH68]

Exactly!

[@christoney2491]

As one of those people who "Don't like change", I want to say that I'm not against change per se. I don't give a damn about updating the OS on my laptop - so long as it works. My laptop is a tool to do other things. I don't want to spend a lot of time wondering if today it's going to work the way it did yesterday. I just want to use it and get through what needs to be done. I love your videos. Keep up the good work.

[@CyberCPU]

I'm one of those people that don't like change ether. However, with operating systems, it's inevitable.

[@rationalbushcraft]

I don't mind change if there is value in it. But what I don't like is when something that used to take 2 clicks now takes 5 for no good reason. If they are making it quicker then okay but so far that has never happened. What was really wrong with the simple windows XP menu system? Now I have to memorize every app name even ones I only use a couple of times a year so I can search for it vs just clicking on it.

[@ronnyb5890]

i totally agree Chris,for me,like you,an OS is a background program on wich we run the programs we love for graphics,video,music,etc,i dont care about on-board OS frivolities like photos,video editor,telephone,3D paint and viewer,i use more sophisticated programs for these things,something microsoft dont seem to get,and still continues to incorporate these things,things wich we dont want

[@craiglortie8483]

@@CyberCPU no it's not. after win 10 i'm turning my desktop into a hackintosh! i don't want everything rolled into one product. my phone is my phone and my pc is my pc. as someone who is low income, i just love getting emails, text, and phone calls from each bill collector everyday. why would i want them all going to every single piece of tech i have? damn, i just want to get on youtube or game or stream when i want; not get several notices every couple of hours about how fucked life is anymore.

[@meskes4059]

@@craiglortie8483if you don’t like merging paradigms, I’ve got some bad news for you, about Mc OS…

[@DiddlyDiPotatoes]

I'm not surprised that 11 ended up being an 8-style bridge to 12. Native classic skins coming back would be a nice feature, but I don't expect them. Also don't really know how to feel about this prototype default look nor their talking up of AI stuff.

[@WarlordShogun]

After how their Bing AI debuted it'd might be kinda interesting. Imagine trying to work and being threatened by your own PC when it starts acting like a sociopathic teenage girl.

[@decafam3410]

Win 8.1 for me ended up being my all time favorite OS, maybe Win11 will too... Ubuntu is hard to beat for daily computing though

[@c.g.silver8782]

@@WarlordShogun 🤣🤣🤣

[@runejonassen3893]

Agree a hundred per cent! Get classic menus and settings as an alternative and the adoption rate would go thru the roof, entirely without the need to lure people into it or even worse, as with the ten rollouts.

[@wartortlerulestheworld]

Your right if they made it more like Windows 7 people would eat that Sh!t up.

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@wartortlerulestheworld *You're* right, more people would be will to go with it if it looked more like 7.

[@wartortlerulestheworld]

@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 Yeah what are the People and Exec at Microsoft listen to us.

[@jamegumb7298]

Disagree. Get me proper tiling support. It will get loads of power users enthusiastic. Windows i3.

[@TSeg-mq6uq]

I liked the Windows 10 model... gave me everything I needed. It actually brought me back from Linux. I may have to consider looking elsewhere as Windows returns to their old ways. Every new "model" launch gives me reasons to reconsider other OS's.

[@kovec681]

That's actually pretty interesting to me. For me Win10 was the last straw that pushed me back to Linux full-time :D

[@jean.luc.picard]

Same. I was a linux user for my daily driver. Windows 10 brought me back. Windows 11 is disgusting.

[@mikaiholder1113]

idk cause i only got windows 11 just yesterday

[@archux_]

​@@mikaiholder1113ur regretting it. The amount of bugs that this system has is so fuckin big

[@tstager1978]

@@archux_ Win 11 runs great on new performance hardware.

[@Luscious3174]

I have more than one machine still running Windows 7 today without any issue. If MS bakes in a Windows 7 classic mode into Windows 12 I will DEFINITELY be making the jump. This cannot be understated. Microsoft needs to make this happen.

[@oronjoffe]

Smartphone integration already exists in Windows 11 (“Windows Phone Link”) and it works fine. It’s not perfect but it’s certainly good and does the job.

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

Nothing and no one is perfect, or has been perfect or will be. But yes, it does well with dumbphones. :-)

[@CyberMonkeyWyng]

...and the examples he gave in the video can be done via "Windows Phone Link", I honestly have not felt the need to look for a different way to interface with my phone from my PC.

[@soonerproud]

Windows Phone Link requires you to be signed in with a Mocrosoft account to work. KDE Connect works better and doesn't require an account to work. I use a local account with KDE Connect and all telemetry turned off. Edit: KDE Connect is available in the Windows Store. You don't have to be signed in to install it from the store.

[@dhjohns1956]

@@soonerproud You should already be signed in to a MS Account.

[@dhjohns1956]

@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 You mean Smart Phones.

[@Chris-ly8wt]

Windows 7 still my fav 🥰

[@gordthor5351]

I like change as long as it isn't backwards. Windows 8 was backwards AF. I couldn't even find the power button to turn the damn thing off before my head exploded. Some of Microsoft's changes are akin to moving the light switch to inside the bedroom closet. Somethings are already in the best place and never should be changed.

[@CyberCPU]

I had exactly the same problem with Windows 8. I've been a tech for over two decades and I couldn't figure out how to turn off Windows 8 without googling it.

[@davinp]

Originally when Microsoft was testing the new interface, it was a feature update for Windows 10. Later it became Windows 11

[@sihamhamda47]

Officially before Windows 11 there was also a Windows 10X Beta. They claiming it to be a Windows 10 with some new features optimized for dual screen laptops and foldables, but in 2021 they killed it before it was finished. The remnants of once Windows 10X features then integrated into Windows 11

[@davinp]

@@sihamhamda47 yes, Microsoft copied the Windows 10X start menu into Windows 11

[@jirehla-ab1671]

@@davinp so win 11 is also just a win 10X skin win 10?

[@matjazwalland903]

I agree with you that we need classic GUIs and compatibility with all previous hardware. If AI were logical and not hardware-bound, drivers could adapt automatically. My reason for not upgrading to newer versions is that I get lost when I'm looking for familiar paths to the functions I use or need. And I know what you're going to say, use the search engine or make shortcuts. It's not as easy as you think if your first language is not English. Basically, everything remains in English and the search engine does not find expressions from other languages. And I'll find a way out of the labyrinth in games, but in Windows I'll get lost because they'll move the thing I'm looking for under another branch, chapter, or it won't be accessible in the new image at all.

[@sasherz13]

new feature prolly be that your wallpaper cannot be changed, only for ADD placements, so you get the privelages of seeing things you dont need in your home. Premium subscription to use file explorer and other programs. even more rounded corners, cause it would be shame to get virtuial papercut on your virtual documents. Clippy will return and cant be turned off, and wil lbe ontop of all games you play. All jokes aside (hopefully what I said was jokes and not predictions), microsoft realy shouldnt limit the customization of windows UI, cause its not microsoft that knows how YOUR workflow is best, its you the user itself knowing whats best for you. The Windows 11 Dev Insider STILL havent got the ungroup and full titles in taskbar back, but seems seconds in tray clock came back, so thats nice. I would LOVE to see Windows 98SE UI and all other UIs for Windows 10 and 11. Win98SE was and still is my favorite UI, due to how simple and easy it is. And Bluescreen messages would be realy handy to get back, so you can actualy look up what the error was, instead of PC just restarting.

[@camb9319]

Stardock FTW. Seriously, I love these guys' work! Start11, great way to customize your start menu how YOU want. So many other great customizations!

[@HansVerhoog]

The best idea I heard, integrate the possibility to use classic desktops. I'm in favor👍

[@Steve30x]

There's something Microsoft could do to make things much easier for people to switch. Make the user interface very customisable. Much more customisable than windows currently is. If it was me I would make make it more like windows 7. I would still be using windows 7 if it had DX12 support and if all my games , software and drivers worked with windows 7.

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

That's why I bought a newer Motherboard that supports Windows 7 AND at the time Windows 10, but I dumped 10 for 11. As much as possible I still use Windows 7 for all I do. It's sweet to be able to switch between pretty (7) and ugly (11). Ha ha.

[@Steve30x]

@@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210 I've been using windows 10 since it's insider betas but I still prefer windows 7. I used to have a massively modified windows 7 install iso with most recent updates on it and most of the windows junk removed. It had tweaked services too. It was very minimal to make it run as fast as possible. When I try to tweak windows 10 the same way it refuses to install or something breaks. I just want all the latest games and hardware to work on windows 7. I don't care if it's an unsupported with no more security patches. Games ran much better in windows 7. I know some recent games will work in windows 7 but the os doesn't have native dx12 support and a lot of new games won't work in windows 7.

[@razorclarencecallahan950]

Wtf is DirectX 13 support? You clearly have no idea what you're saying

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@razorclarencecallahan950 You really don't need to swear unless you're just that angry. DirectX 13 support meant that they could bring DirectX 13 to Windows 7. That's what the person meant. It's not difficult to understand - but for some reason it was..to you. Hmm. Sure, the word 'support' isn't the best choice but it conveyed it.

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@Steve30x May I suggest you check your grammar. There are ways to get a lot of games for Windows 11 to work with Windows 7, and I've been doing it for a while. The way you type, and since you're a pretty hard-core gamer - you come across that way, if I'm incorrect let me know, you are probably okay with the tiles menu. Metro. I enjoyed seeing the new Windows logo, but after the install and seeing the "new menu" it wasn't long until I killed that partition for other stuff. Good for you if you can handle that stuff, I just couldn't. Way to flat and bland for me. I have made a Windows 7 ISO also. Added all the updates, and some other programs that I use often to the install. Later, I modified it for USB 3 when I bought a new AMD Motherboard and went Ryzen. I've noticed the opposite, a lot of games will work with Windows 7, but some require some altering to make it happen. Which is why I've been slowly making Windows 11 look like 7, but it's challenging since the Icons are to bland and flat. I won't use Edge or Chrome - I do not like snooping from companies. DuckDuckGo is my search engine. So, Windows 11 is a little more easy to use since I've made changes (Start11), but the Settings are a mess. I don't enjoy typing everything into a Search Bar just to find something. It's as though people who don't go outside, aren't around animals, and don't use their voices to talk to people are the ones doing all this stuff since Windows 8 to 11. I know many people still that won't be getting a new computer any time soon, especially if they aren't 'gamers', because of the very strong dislike of Windows 8 to 10 and 11. I also know many who like Android vs Apple because Apple is very restrictive of personal data - but they don't want their Windows to look like a tablet. Using Avast is all the security I need, as well as security with my Router. I can usually leave the Virus checking off since I'm very aware of what's on my system and I haven't come across an actual virus in years. It takes a little bit for all the processing for installing Windows 7 that I've modified but I haven't had to reinstall in over 3 years. I also keep a couple backups of my Dual Boot system..so...it's all doing very well. I agree, get in there and change, stop some processes. Windows is becoming more bloated. I disabled/removed all the Voice Assistance junk and more from Windows 11. :-) Nothing is "perfect" and I don't care how many clueless people use that word incorrectly so often, it won't be perfect..and I'm okay with that.

[@TheNerdCircle]

You mentioned the phone integration...have you not tried Phone Link yet? I'm actually really liking phone link and hope they keep improving on it. You should make a video on it!

[@CyberCPU]

I've had several people say that. I remember I tried it a long time ago and it really sucked. Apparently it's gotten better from what a lot of people have said.

[@TheNerdCircle]

@@CyberCPU yes I think you will be pleasantly surprised that Microsoft did something good lol And if you like it enough to make a video about it make sure to tell everyone your friend @thenerdcircle made you do it 😜

[@S4_QUATTROPOWER]

Wish they made it look like Vista Ultimate, I love that OS even tho it has issues, Aero glass was awesome lit up windows start button was nice.

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

My Vista machine works way better than my 11 machine.

[@S4_QUATTROPOWER]

@@MrKentaroMotoPI Might have to go back to it 😍

[@FBHSswimmer2006]

100% agree on the Classic Desktop mode idea. I miss the UI and UX and Windows 7.

[@My-noname]

Looks a lot like Gnome 4, I would say. Think if it was as simple as in Linux where you can install whatever windows environment you want after installation, so even if I started out installing, let's say some KDE distr, you can always change that afterwards to Gnome, Mate, Budgie or whatever, without changing the rest of the distr.

[@wastelander89]

I hope any new windows has a mode to make it look like windows 7 or Vista. That was my favorite windows experience

[@Daniele63]

So much for windows 10 being the last version lol. Anyways i'm sticking to 10 until it stops being supported because it's more responsive and i like having a small taskbar. If 12 wants to be succesful it should focus more on usability and less on looking fancy (and confusing). Linux is not an option for me because it doesn't support the software i use and most of my games.

[@floydknox6617]

I thought it was going to be just Windows from now on with the occasional necessary updates. I was looking forward to it actually.

[@Daniele63]

@@floydknox6617 I was skeptical that they would do that anyways, because how would they make profits then ? In the video game industry for exemple devs won’t release free updates for one game forever, they are forced to make a sequel to keep interest and new sales. Maybe Microsoft scrapped that idea for this reason.

[@morelukeplayz6953]

Can't wait for Windows 69

[@captainspire9094]

What a PANE that will be.

[@draxoronxztgs1212]

And continuing with this naming, will MS rerelease Windows 95 after Windows 94?... And a crapton of versions later, Windows 2000?😄

[@umka7536]

I like your channel, even if I am Linux user. :) But I have to support my relatives PCs which run mostly on Windows. Your channel gives me tons of good Windows info.

[@rmt74358]

I am on Windows 11 because I have no choice if I want to use Wi-Fi 6 (802.11ax) . With Windows version 22H2 (22621. 1250) or some similar versions they brought back the search bar from Windows 10. I do not know why they didn't have this in the first place. I also like the rounded corners they added for a new look. Also Having an option to use a different start menu ( choice to use new or older start menu ) would have made people happier to use Windows 11. The right click menus are the other problems. If they give users an option to what they want, listen to your users. People would jump over. Since they do not then we choose to stick back with what works. DUH

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

Listening to the users hasn't been a thing for Micro$oft. Steal from other OSes and add things to keep them relevant. I when Apple, Mac OS (not macOS; Ppphhh..) got the idea of multi-screens from the Amiga. Not long after, Micro$uck jumped on board.

[@gordthor5351]

I finally made the move to Windows 11 and not too many things pissed me off, until I went to set defaults apps. I blew a gasket when I realized how stupid it was. I don't want to have to set a plethora of video and audio file types, just to have separate default apps for music player and video player. It's so obvious why Microsoft made it so difficult for people to switch defaults apps from Microsoft apps. They can't sell people's data if they can't track them on their own apps. Apparently, Microsoft claimed the reason was to give people more options, but it's clearly BS, because Windows 10 also allowed to set file type defaults. How many people actually know enough about the plethora of different file types, to set them individually?

[@dummyload7803]

well, only a few apps can do it for you but if it works ?

[@kieranholland1048]

I remember my entire IT team testing out Windows Longhorn...and seriously it had some real promise. Once Vista was released and we saw how much got dumped in favour of an incremental update to XP......we were *VERY* disappointed.

[@alexeysamokhin9629]

They couldn’t deliver good enough performance on WinFS, plus there were tons of compatibility problems. Also they realised that rewriting ALL of the UI into buggy WPF wasn’t possible within a year or two, plus GPUs with stable DirectX acceleration used 24/7 were rather an exception back in 2003. The good new we got PowerShell (project Monad), WPF (codename Avalon) was finally released, and parts of WinFS landed in SQL Server as FILESTREAM. The other thing is that the promise of WinFS was wrong. Apps do NOT need a central database for “things”, it puts ridiculous restrictions on what and how they can operate.

[@notmatt5864]

I could list all the problems with windows 11 but that would be a waste of time as microsoft has just chosen to ignore or dismiss user feedback. I have no problem w/ change but change for change sake is stupid.

[@Jxudo]

I literally just switched to 11 thinking I'd hate it, oddly enough I love it.

[@creakycracker]

Windows been telling me my upgrade was ready for weeks...I let it put 11 on tonight thinking when my la[top gets borked I'll just move on to Linux Mint. Boy was I surprised - it's snappier and runs smoother than ever. I think it's the best Windows since 7 - even all the clutter is gone from the file manager bar. Never thought I'd hurl praise toward Redmond!

[@Jxudo]

@@creakycracker right? I was thinking it'd be complete trash, but it's so smooth and loads things a lot faster than 10 did for me.

[@galzajc1257]

I really hope, this floting taskbar and search will be optional. I've alwas had the retractable taskbar, and i want to get back the small icons. I don't understant why you would want to destroy so much of the working area, it makes no sense. And it looks terrible to my taste. But yeah I'm excited about the ai functionality. That could be HUGE if done right.

[@dummyload7803]

"done right" and M$ :) that was a good one

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

@@dummyload7803 Ha, ha, ha! High 5!

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

In the hands of Big Tech, I do not agree that A.I. could be "done right". Look at the junk that's being 'said' by the A.I.'s that are posted in videos through KZbin. They're attempting to make them sound like humans, but they're not alive. They sure are trying to fool the gullible.

[@haloschafer]

After using 11 for around a year, I think I like it a lot more than 10. The worst part about the OS is figuring out how to install it on existing hardware. I had to mess with a lot of BIOS settings to get the installer to work

[@drmayeda1930]

I hope Win 12 doesn't require major hardware changes that requires buying a new win 12 compatible system. I think i had to change my computer because my hard drive didn't have the right setup.

[@Timely-ud4rm]

I installed it no issue not sure what that was about.

[@Lemurion287]

One thing I already know about Windows 12, that you didn't mention, is that it will be even harder to setup and use without a Microsoft Account. As for the leaked screenshot, it looked pretty much like a bog-standard Linux desktop.

[@paulwieder2739]

no different to phones with google or apple account to do anything, having a microsoft account isnt the end of the world

[@Lemurion287]

@@paulwieder2739 actually, it is. Google doesn't require you to use their account to log in to the device. You can even run android without Google. Microsoft wants control of your login credentials, not simply the ones to use their services, and that is a step too far for me.

[@paulwieder2739]

@@Lemurion287 That is true but it isn't designed that way, Microsoft is the same I dont have as much of an issue with that as I do with the extra steps in the context menu on win 11

[@dhjohns1956]

@@Lemurion287 Control of my login credentials? Stop making me laugh. I am about to pee myself!

[@Lemurion287]

@@dhjohns1956 it's very simple. Your Microsoft Account credentials are stored on Microsoft's server. That means they can lock you out of that account. If you use it to log into your computer, they can lock you out of your computer. It's also a necessary step to moving the OS to a subscription-based model. I don't think that's what they are doing, but it's something they would have to do if they decided to go that way.

[@platterjockey]

I think we were supposed to have a Windows 7 or Windows XP mode in Windows 11 but it never appeared, and no one has mentioned it.

[@Tekkerue]

I'm still using Classic Shell on Win10 to get a Win7 start menu. I hated 10 and hate 11 even more. I'm all for change if it's good change, but I'm certainly not for bad change.

[@steveross8364]

I'll be fine with A.I. until it asks me if I am John Connor... then the plug gets pulled and smashed into pieces. Cool video Rich, if somewhat disturbing.

[@xellaz]

Never been a better time to switch to Linux as today! Just do your research and try a few distros. It's not that complicated for casual users once it's set up. I even upgraded my mom's PC to Linux and she has no problem with it (she mostly just uses the browser). Linux is not only more secure than Windows but has no telemetry spying or random reboots from forced updates. You the user is the one in total control! 💪

[@CyberCPU]

I've been a Linux user for 20 years and this is misleading. Yes, Linux is a lot better then it was 20 years ago. However, as a Linux user and a tech that helps users on a daily basis, it's not for everyone and it absolutely is harder then Windows. I've had to deal with the aftermath of this several times. A grandson that loads Linux on his grandma's computer because he says it's better than Windows but then she can't load her Hallmark card creator program that she bought at Walmart and the computer ends up sitting in the corner not used. Windows is a consumer operating system. Linux isn't. Linux is an extremely powerful kernel that literally runs the internet. But operating systems based on the Linux kernel are enthusiast operating systems. The more they are tailored towards the consumer market the less Linux they become and the less attractive they become to people who like Linux for what it is.

[@FireSloth1134]

@@CyberCPU good points! But then you have everything software wise going web-based.

[@ReaperX7]

I hope they finally transition to a modular file system and installation approach. They could still keep NTFS and FAT32 for the boot and EFI file systems, but they should move the actual storage into the B+Tree ReFS system.

[@Revenant483]

That is nuts! Why does M$ want Win 12 to look like Gnome? I beat them to it. When Win 10 hits EOL I will be 100% on Linux. I don't want an AI to follow my every keypress. Their over obtrusive telemetry and back doors are bad enough now. I can not imagine how bad it will be when Win 12 comes along. Have you ever watched your PC phone home as soon as you buy a new PC or laptop and power it on? They start giving your data to 3rd parties and and monitoring services you never heard of.

[@MagnusPaul1976]

I do not use my laptop that much these days. In 2020, I replaced (upgraded) the hard drive with a much faster one and loaded the original factory software (bloatware) that it came with in 2013, onto it. I installed reputable antivirus software, turned off all updates, only access the internet "now and again," print documents as required and of course, playing music off external hard drives. Devices like my smartphone and tablet, have taken the place of my laptop, not rendering it obsolete, but for convenience sake. I am therefore, not in the least, worried about not having Windows 10, Windows 11 or Windows 12 for that matter. 👍

[@mikimouse3001]

I'm waiting for the windows 13, I heard you won't be needing a keyboard and a mouse to interact with it, everything will be done by voice input, how cool is that 😀

[@dummyload7803]

if "you" want to talk all day thats fine but i want to have it as quit as it can get. Or imagine that in an open plan office

[@CyberCPU]

That would be a horrible idea. 🤣😂

[@mikimouse3001]

@@CyberCPU haha I know, I just hate the fact that every few years we have to start over again with a new os.

[@ownzuall]

Imagine R&D qube with devs and QA talking to their displays 8 hours a day.

[@r.a.6459]

13 would be bad, cos the number itself is linked to bad luck.

[@jayrowe6473]

What would be really great is if winblows just gave us a solid base operating system with only the bare minimum necessary and let us handle adding only what we want.

[@RAW_Reality]

If anyone's seen the concept videos created by Avdan (here on YT) imagining what Windows 12 could look like, I'd happily install that OS expeditiously! Microsoft would greatly benefit from adapting to many of his concepts, and IMHO should probably even employ the guy... Sheesh, good stuff there. Seriously, if you haven't seen his work, you should look it up. 🤤

[@AJ-po6up]

Dudes like him should stop wasting their time and talent making those silly Windows videos that Microsoft will never implement or pay attention to and instead look for a team to design a Linux desktop environment with his vision, put his talent on an actual thing that can become real instead of dreaming that Microsoft is going to hire him when that is not gonna happen, Microsoft never listens to what people want after all, it has happened ever since Windows 95.

[@johnrogers8763]

The reason a "classic" mode will never happen is two-fold... first is that they want a unified UI, second is can you imaging having to maintain multiple UIs?

[@CyberCPU]

Wouldn't be too bad if they built the ability to skin the UI into the code. They could even open it up and allow the community to make custom skins. Something similar to Plasma.

[@imqqmi]

I like improvements, I also like things that 'work'. If newer versions break the things I like, I tend to search for alternatives either like classic/open shell or a different operating system if it suits my purposes. So far I've been able to hold on to the things I like and work and embrace the new stuff that are nice to include in that list. The thing with android is that you can completely change the launcher. Usually when I upgrade I also install the same launcher and things are back to the way I want it. Hopefully something similar for windows 12 will happen. In windows 3.x and 9x you could replace explorer so that you can have your own desktop experience but it was rare though and never much of an improvement.

[@3dartstudio007]

"Next Valley" soo soo soo appropriate. Also "Deeper Ditch" or "Future Big Hole" could be used.

[@ipKonfig]

Bring back the Start Menu or don't bring us Windows 12, Microcrap

[@WayneM1961]

It's not the software upgrades that bothers me so much as what will the minimum hardware requirements be? Are Windows going to try to get people once again to buy new computers like they did with windows 11? My Kali Linux is specialised obviously but running my Linux mint with WINE; there is very little it can't do that windows can, and you don't need anything like the specs windows 11 demands.

[@richardbarrett8365]

After they lied about Win 10 I could care less if they never have another version of Windows and I have used MS since DOS. I would rather see MS go bankrupt. I have also sold and installed many copies of Windows. DOWN WITH MICROSOFT.

[@CyberCPU]

What did they lie about with Windows 10?

[@AJ-po6up]

@@CyberCPU I guess when they allegedly lied about it being the last Windows version.

[@CyberCPU]

@@AJ-po6up Microsoft never actually said that. That was a Microsoft developer at a development conference who said that and the company never really confirmed or denied it. We just assumed it was the case but it never was the official position of Microsoft.

[@Bare_Essence]

Agreed on apps preinstalled. Likely to not stop, but Candy Crush on a business machine; WTH! Was thinking about Tiny11, but then you have someone else's installation of files. The maker is currently unlikely to insert malware, but everything eventually goes there via some bad actor.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

Windows is a very suitable name for an OS that is so easy to break into

[@louf7178]

@Trixie K Horrible writing.

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

Mac and Linux historically have far more security issues. Linux IS a security issue - distros compiled by who? Malware easily baked in. The OS for idiots

[@SpynCycle57]

What new hardware requirements will be imposed?

[@ralph4370]

Linux? Yep I'm definitely going that way by win12. Popps for me.

[@boetagoon]

Yes please classic mode would be awesome . I´ve been using a start menu addon program since Windows 8 😂

[@JensHove]

It'll be spyware with a built-in OS.

[@brjones27]

YES! Give people the option to choose the style they like!!! MS really needs to hear this.

[@klwthe3rd]

I love the new appearance of Windows 11. It's so much cleaner and more modern. BUT...as a Security professional, the added telemetry and other Microsoft spyware baked into the OS is really troubling. Now they want to add AI??? Holy crap is all i have to say! And people wonder why i miss the days of XP and Vista just doing what i wanted it to do. 😂😂

[@CyberCPU]

I don't believe Windows 11 has more telemetry than Windows 10. I used the same process debloating both.

[@klwthe3rd]

@@CyberCPU If you run Wireshark which is a networking tool to scan for "Microsoft phoning home" to the servers in Washington state, i believe there is considerable more activity on Windows 11. There are acouple of videos on KZbin endorsing that additional activity but you can only see if you are tapped into the network traffic.

[@CyberCPU]

@@klwthe3rd maybe, However they are still using the same services and process as they do with Windows 10. They may just have more apps using it. The debloating process is the same.

[@klwthe3rd]

@@CyberCPU Fair enough! Well said.

[@colt5189]

I'd actually like to live through a Terminator war. It would be like how I'm still waiting on those flying cars we were promised back in the 80's.

[@Fantic156]

I've been putting off changing to W11 .. My desktop W10 runs fine and my laptop W10 has some specific vehicle software on it that's crucial. As W10 support is staying till 2025 I believe, I'll wait for W12 .. 😜 As of now I ain't really that interested in AI, but then I'm an old git, so ....

[@biblebadcopycatofcuneiform8210]

I'm in the 50's...and I understand computers very well. I don't want A.I. in any OS that I use. I keep aware of what's happening with A.I. and I'm not a fan. Not even those 'Human-Look-A-Likes' are cool to me, they're moronic. They don't pass as human to me at all. I don't use Siri, Bixby, Dot or Echo, and I more certainly will not use Alexa. Waaaaay too much snooping and hoping we'll become brain-dead and not think anymore. If they bring back a sweet looking U.I., which we don't have with 8 to 11, then I'll consider it. Once we can remove A.I. from it...if it's included. I don't consider myself old at all. ;-)

[@danteyoda]

God to this day i still miss XP and Win 7... I hate the look of Win 12 if that picture is accurate..

[@Trancelistic]

I'm pretty sure win12 will be anoying as hell to work with. Really planning to put my 5 systems at home to Linux if MS won't change their ways. I just wanta desktop (and menu's) and color settings like win xp/7.

[@Chris-ly8wt]

"Windows 10, the last version of Windows." Oh, hello Windows 12. 😂

[@dummyload7803]

yeah, thats the best joke ever. Now the numbers are going up and up 😂

[@rdnowlin1206]

I've had enough of MS Windows. I'm in the process of migrating to Linux. KDE Plasma looks good and has great apps.

[@AJ-po6up]

Yeah me too, I'm already on it, I'm not gonna bother with Win11 and I probably won't with Win12 either, though I would love to see the classic Windows themes make a comeback, a Win95/98/2000 theme would be awesome and nostalgic af, but we all know Microsoft is not going to do it. And I'm pretty happy with Linux already and I'm getting better at it everyday.

[@David-rx5eo]

I have Windows 10 with Classic Desktop Mode, because I use Open Shell. I was a Network Admin for many years, but am retired now. I never liked that MS was trying to make Windows look more like a phone interface, so I stayed with the Windows 7 look and feel. My PC does what I want it to the way I like, so the haters can shove it. Flame me if you want, but not everyone wants the same look and feel that MS wants to push on us. Hey, I even miss Windows Media Center, but have other programs that do those things, although I don't really use some of that functionality anymore.

[@troogroove9318]

Windows 12 will be a subscription OS, just like Office 365, with improved spyware and monitoring. Value your privacy and use something else

[@flexprods]

Add files to index from Windows search bar from Index Options so you can find folders and files fast. I for example add my User folder (Desktop, Documents..) to search from Windows task bar

[@EJ160E]

Windows 25™

[@CyberCPU]

Someone should be registering upcoming Windows domain names. 😂🤣

[@raylopez99]

Very nice video, I like the friendly demeanor (smiling despite all the c rap) and getting up and leaving in the end, before the video stopped, is a nice artistic touch. Vlog on!

[@Hi-po6om]

Windows XP: Good Windows Vista: Bad Windows 7: Good Windows 8: Bad Windows 10: Good Windows 11: Bad Windows 12: Good

[@OneTwoMark]

W11 isn’t bad tho

[@Hi-po6om]

@@OneTwoMark But I really don't like the start menu

[@OneTwoMark]

@@Hi-po6om Weird because I prefer w11 BECAUSE of the start menu lol. Can easily group icons and doesn’t look a mess with anything unnecessary.

[@Hi-po6om]

@@OneTwoMark You can group things in W10 tiles too

[@OneTwoMark]

@@Hi-po6om But it looks a mess to me, over crowded.

[@petecoventry6858]

I've just got a gaming PC after having a Mac for years - do we pay per release? If so that sucks compared to Apple

[@CyberCPU]

Windows has been a free upgrade since Windows 10. I don't see that changing.

[@NoOne56488]

It will be a lot more data telemetry and more store crap in your face with adds.

[@CyberCPU]

Likely.

[@OneAndOnlyZekePolaris]

I have no issues with Windows 10 when it comes to searching for files.

[@EdKrisiak]

Exactly what I was thinking. I have Win 10 and may just wait until 12:)

[@bryancook6345]

I’m not going to upgrade to windows 12 or windows 11 all this does is makes one of your software not running anymore it takes up too much storage to upgrade to which isn’t a real upgrade as the Nvidia graphics card

[@creakycracker]

I expect AI to be like HAL in 2001: "Open Rumble, Cortana." "Sorry I can't do that, Dave. How about we watch some You Tube Dave." :0

[@CyberCPU]

That sounds about right. 😂🤣

[@kurwamacjebanapizda]

8:26 I use to use similar program like 15 or more years ago when phones was much smarter than now. Everything on phone was on windows desktop. Not only notification about text message but text massages photos music itself were there. No point of shearing, everything was under mice click. Actually phone was just an antena with sim card inside. Everything else was on PC with bigger screen, easier to type large keyboard, mice, multi window phone screen. I even use phone camera as a webcam. I spend all day using phone without touching it.

[@justsurfin5013]

True AI integrated into Windows. As a tech myself this is exciting. My wife though, she is already overly suspicious of tech and tech companies accessing our data. As a privacy advocate, she will go flipping ballistic!! As her husband, this should be fun to watch, LOL. Also really surprised you are not aware of the phone app which is baked into Windows 11? It can already sync with your phone natively (as long as you configure it).

[@VikingDudee]

I don't love to hate on 11, it could be good, but I do hate it and its mostly UI stuff that they don't allow you to just go out and change without some registry tweaks or other 3rd party software I had to buy to make it in my opinion, more productive. If they allowed that I'd completely change my mind on that.

[@DarkVortex97]

I think Win12 will stick around longer than 11 if it's good. People's dislike of 11 has probably forced Microsoft's hand on needing a rebrand like Vista did and 8 did

[@Steve30x]

9:32 that would be the best thing they could ever do. If you could switch the UI including right click menu and boot screen to windows 7 or windows 10 mode.

[@Ceelbc]

The phone thing is already built in into windows 11 (using phone link). However, you have to use Android. When you use a Samsung phone, you can even use the apps from your phone on your pc.

[@CorpseGrinder1967]

I loved Windows 7. I miss it dearly. I held onto it until I absolutely had to upgrade my my system hardware and that only supported Win10/11. I love the new hardware but going from 7 to 11 was quite a shock. Even the look of 11 sucks. Colorless and dismal.

[@imzesok]

6:05 - there's a set of programs that do exactly this visually in windows 11. I don't recall what the names are, but I ran into those about a week ago. More than likely that's what you're seeing here. I wouldn't read too much into it.

[@vinodsrivatsava]

Better search and audio latency would be better

[@RicardoPenders]

Windows 11 doesn't have the functionality to show the seconds in the clock anymore, it was something that I liked in Windows 10. I also don't like the new start menu, okay I have to give them that it's handy to have the start menu in the middle of the screen with my new ultra wide display but for the rest the new start menu sucks big time.

[@PhantomWoIf]

i think same about the clock

[@XxTWMLxX]

The windows 12 UI doesn't look like android. It's a copy of mac OSX. System irons top right. Floating dock of icons.

[@rollercoasterbee]

I have watched several of your videos on this You Tube channel and I am curious about your desk...Is that butcher block?

[@CyberCPU]

It's made of two adjustable workbenches from Home Depot. They are solid wood. Not sure if I would call them butcher block. The wood is kind of soft. They work really well for what I use them for through.

[@rollercoasterbee]

@@CyberCPU Oh. The reason I asked is because I have been watching a lot of videos on You Tube of people buying butcher block from Home Depot or Lowes and making computer desks with it and I am working on building a computer desk myself using butcher block.

[@CyberCPU]

@@rollercoasterbee when I built my set I was going to build a custom desk but it turned out much cheaper just using adjustable workbenches. I've been really happy with them. I can raise them up like a standing desk and do videos that way too.

[@georgescott4505]

Oh how I miss Windows 2000. If only I didn't need an up to date web browser I would still be using it.

[@robear0135]

You talked about KDE Connect and integrating your phone into Windows... There is already built in support called Phone Link if you have an Android phone..

[@z1522]

Once and for all, the appearance, aka Theme, Skin, Mode, User Interface, etc. is NOT the OPERATING SYSTEM. It is the cosmetic facade, linked to touch screen or mouse or even good old fashioned keyboard shortcuts integration which makes things happen behind the curtain, which in turn has a display projected from behind the facade to provide convenient visual feedback on your inputs. Apple perfected the Pavlovian drool response to lush, pretty, design school appeal, yet my old clumsy fingers access and move things at least 5 times more slowly, with a touch screen that either fails to respond, or mistakes my movement for another command. I suspect old pros can navigate even faster through typed code, but my point is that marginal improvements in any OS need not require relearning the input muscle memory, just because the design principle is built on the dubious logic, that more changes convey the notion that the customer is getting "more," of something or other, whether or not they asked for it, or even preferred some previous element as easier, more intuitive, or adequate for its task. Computers, like cars, and most other products, are sold with "packages," no longer separate options - imagine an OS upgrade that let users pick only the features they wanted, or at least made deselection simple and up front. A Win XP interface could sit on top of Win 11 security just fine, but out of sight feels as if nothing has changed, so why buy new, pay again and again? Just ask the MBA idiots who made touchscreens the interface in new vehicles, which has dramatically increased accidents now that dials that one could develop tactile memory to adjust without taking one's eyes off the road are replaced by an ever-changing menu cycle demanding a driver's visual attention. Idiocracy rules. AI? Artificial Intelligence = Genuine Stupidity. Proof that the world of Commerce reigns above even politics, and Fanboys and gals compete, not to make systems more efficiently do what the users want, but to make the slickest, trendiest, addictive adult toys to drain even more hours a day from average people, increasingly depressed yet bored and disengaged from actual WORK. Perfect, the notion that AI will magically be "creative" for you, so you won't have expend any energy or thought to the real world we increasingly have less and less control over.

[@Mike-gz4xz]

Classic desk top modes ,that's genius ,it would be a sure fire winner . Hoping Microsoft listen to you.

[@lint2023]

I don't want an ecosystem that I have to join. I want an independent laptop and then if I want to log in somewhere, it is my choice and option.

[@root4-all]

You can still make a local account

[@VartoZnatyVsim]

Well,what's the point of making "new OS" 12 or 21, just make updates for that which u already have Microsoft,just make good updates ...

[@legionofanon]

At this point im certain its to force the sale of new hardware. new OS with hardset requirements that a .5 year old computer cant meet? buy new hardware

[@roberthunter6927]

You should have relatively easy access to run levels, like in Linux. Much easier to diagnose a problem and graduate logically from single user, to multi-user, network, and GUI.

[@michaeldejesus7576]

I hit the like button when you said classic desk top mode!! The good old days lol

[@jeffflowers5489]

I hate that 10 folders and programs have a title bar that camouflages into the window under it so you can't tell where one window ends and the other begins.

[@kyyop-w4c]

Wow, Will finally return the panel to the top. In fact, it is high time to separate the tray from active programs. Although your nostalgia can be understood) About "like" android 12 is focused on mobile devices such as thin touchscreen laptops, tablets and even mobiles) soon ARM will be everywhere. If the GPT does not rise XD. What actually boils down is the fact that the place with the buttons for switching modes and the sound slider, on laptops there is still brightness and that's all. How much free space could at least move the mixer there, or at least leave the possibility to include it in the settings. So much quick access and still have to download Power toys.