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[@ZachGood]

“I’m not only a doctor, I’m also a professional boxer and Air Force pilot.” I’d need 4-5 lifetimes to reach this level

[@megeles]

Seriously

[@homosapien6031]

Fr man. I can’t even get “college student” out the way yet. Then again, I’m not trying hard enough because of many psychological issues.

[@dr.johnnysins]

That's literally me

[@carolloveskiwis]

Doctor Mike, you should team up with private detective V.I. Warshawski, aka Kathleen Turner.

[@Dandelionsnake]

@@homosapien6031don’t be too hard on yourself. We don’t all start out with the same abilities and resources. I’m right there with you on this, but i don’t like to let it get me down, so i try to just be happy for those who are having success in life and see myself relative to the hand that I was dealt, not relative to others 🤍

[@Thebentist]

Hey that’s me! Thats for having us on again and yes… I’ll take any of you 1V1 in any video game let’s go! 🙌🏻

[@BlossomyPen6275]

1v1 me at geometry dash, instant loss for you.

[@user-bh3gk6ul9s]

lol yes bentist

[@n_ateyyy]

PUHHHHH we love you bro! ❤

[@mightyshoam]

It ain't a video game but, tic tac toe?

[@rundown132]

1v1 me rust, interventions only

[@irisamelia9787]

I'm just remembering that one video where Mike's sister said that he would make a horrible detective 😂.

[@andrewchanathip]

"You can't even pay attention! You'd be the worst detective ever! They send you this and then you go OOH IT's too long to read"

[@irisamelia9787]

@@andrewchanathip haha yes 😆

[@IXScasualty]

First thing that went through my mind 😂 but I don’t think he would be that bad

[@HyunkyongJoo-bk4qr]

😂hahaha

[@Kristinapedia]

HAHAHAHA that was so funny!

[@emmylee8862]

I love how Anthony Youn doesn’t take himself too seriously. Unemployed Rock “star” 😅

[@cellinelisehenriksen3337]

That did make me giggle 😊

[@flightsnotfeelings5867]

I don’t know why I was saying rock star for Dr. Youn. I was thinking of the most weird job for him.

[@troubling_assBleed]

that wierd crypto stint still irks me every time I see the guy...

[@cytavares]

That's why I love him!❤

[@thepubknight6144]

​@@cytavares His wit is the best

[@DoctorYoun]

Omg you posted a photo of me from Prom!!! 😂😂

[@Giselle.829]

You’ve always looked very approachable & so fun to be around 🎉

[@mamthassmartmoms7456]

You ARE a Rockstar Dr.Youn... your prom pic and you playing the guitar is so cute

[@TheKillerqueen40]

Aw, that was a good picture of you!

[@saraisamaralcala5284]

I always imagine Doctor Youn as a kpop idol idk.

[@kat_astrophe4279]

I couldn’t believe my ears when you said Boise airport!! I live like 20 minutes away from there! Did you live in Boise for a period of time?

[@MamaDoctorJones]

Detective Mike has a nice ring to it. 👏👏👏

[@helenakoerner5536]

So does Mama President.

[@alicedamiano7718]

@@helenakoerner5536 Or President Mama?

[@alanathibault6778]

We miss you!

[@JakeGoodmanMD]

Thank you for the feature Dr. Mike! - Dr Goodman, Plant Daddy, M.D. 🌴🌱🌳

[@noahmcdowell7731]

Omg yass love that for you! Oh and as a teen who struggles with depression and an eating disorder and anxiety along with adhd and a slew of other things, you helped me talk more openly about my SI and my mental health with others (I’ve never had a problem talking to my therapist or my mom though)

[@spulwasser]

I'm a plant scientist😃🌱 I am working in the field of "finding cures for plant diseases" (pathology / immunity), so I guess one could say I'm a plant doctor😎😂

[@sofieorangesmith1422]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who gives names to their plants

[@papayafun7226]

I absolutely loved that feature in this video. When I was a PhD student I once grabbed a forgotten orchid from our office floor in the pantry and nursed it back to health. From that moment I became the person to babysit profs' plants when they went on sabbaticals. I however keep moving across continents, so I can never stay with my plants for long. My favorite plants are succulents (maybe because I have to travel a lot for work and they are so fierce on their own).

[@FallenAngel9979]

Love your little Ava! I have two little plants (no idea what they actually are🤣) but they’re called Alan and Oscar. 🌱 🪴

[@redbaby814]

I really love how Dr. K used his interest in the mind and his monk faith to start studying psychiatry. I appreciate that kind of insight when talking with doctors.

[@Guus115]

It's the best combination

[@nogerboher5266]

Uhh... Why is a Phychologist here? Psychology isn't even recognized as a real science/medical field. Psychiatry or Neuroscience on the other hand is - so why not have one of those instead?!

[@Inkpink2]

@@nogerboher5266 Negative Nancy go away

[@jonpon240]

@@nogerboher5266 He is a psychiatrist...

[@Lipinki.luzyckie]

​@@nogerboher5266 he is a psychiatrist tho

[@ShilohShepherdmom]

So thankful all these people DID choose medicine and the sacrifices required. I remember shedding tears of gratitude during my c-section for how many professionals were in that room and the years of their lives they'd dedicated to studying and working so that my baby and I could be safe. So much love and appreciation for you all.❤

[@ezmereldagoradesky]

What a beautiful message I think the same. I get so sick when I see blood but I really want to become a doctor to help ppl

[@ShilohShepherdmom]

@@ezmereldagoradesky Thank you! It's wonderful that you have a heart for helping people. You may be able to overcome your aversion to blood but there are also many bloodless options in healthcare like physical, occupational, or speech therapy, clinical psychology, etc. I always thought medicine was for me and got as far as premed at UCLA but ended up very anxious, despite doing well academically. The only time I felt at ease was when I was helping classmates with our homework and they'd tell me I explained it in a way that finally made sense. So after much soul searching, I switched majors, got my master's and teaching credential and became a high school teacher. Not as "prestigious" as medicine, but over 150 teenagers came through my room each day and whether it was preparing them to smash an AP test, supporting English learners, or just providing a safe space for kids having a hard time, I knew I was touching kids' lives in a positive way. In this season of life I've chosen to step away from teaching to focus on family. I love being a human mom, dog mom, and a wife who can hold down the fort to support my husband's demanding career. I get to spend time volunteering in the community and devoting myself to the people I love most. Long story short, there are SO many ways to help people in each stage of life, so whether that is medicine for you or something entirely different, follow your passion and your strengths and you'll find your way.

[@ShilohShepherdmom]

@@ezmereldagoradesky Thank you! It's wonderful that you have a heart for helping people. You may be able to overcome your aversion to blood but there are also many bloodless options in healthcare like physical, occupational, or speech therapy, clinical psychology, etc. I always thought medicine was for me and got as far as premed at UCLA but ended up very anxious, despite doing well academically. The only time I felt at ease was when I was helping classmates with our homework and they'd tell me I explained it in a way that made sense. So after much soul searching, I switched majors, got my master's and teaching credential and became a high school teacher. Not as "prestigious" as medicine, but over 150 teenagers came through my room each day and whether it was preparing them to smash an AP test, supporting English learners, or just providing a safe space for kids having a hard time, I knew I was touching kids' lives in a positive way. In this season of life I've chosen to step away from teaching to focus on family. I love being a human mom, dog mom, and a wife who can hold down the fort to support my husband's demanding career. I get to spend time volunteering in the community and devoting myself to the people I love most. Long story short, there are SO many ways to help people in each stage of life, so whether that is medicine for you or something entirely different, follow your passion and your strengths and you'll find your way.

[@ViolinMD]

Such a fun video - absolutely loved hearing everyone’s answers!

[@antoniowebbmd]

Thanks for the feature doc!! Lots of great ideas outside of medicine ha

[@jhunhior]

yes Sir

[@blah__]

"detective sherlock varshavski" definitely has a nice ring to it 😭

[@SumayyaRehman-mp4pi]

Yep correct 😁.

[@keylite69]

Rena?

[@stormflame829]

WHAT ARE YOU?!!?

[@kayburcky7146]

Why the fckin crying smiley it doesnt make sense?!

[@nanyur3013]

Agreed, it sounds really nice 🙂

[@0mniaVanitas]

I love these types of videos where Mike spotlights other doctors in the social media space in a way that focuses more on their personality and interests than the medical stuff, I think a lot of people outside of their core audiences tend to forget doctors are normal people like us and expec them to be nothing but business all the time even in their personal lives

[@sarahko1014]

Yes a lot of people tend to forget they are all humans too. We all have a past and are just taking on life day by day .

[@jonlizsam]

I was a nurse for 30 years. If I wasn’t a nurse, I would have been an artist. Since retiring I have been painting and creating! It’s never too late to try something new. Oh, flowers and plants and dogs. Oh my!

[@gaby-leighjonathan2207]

Shout out to AVA❤

[@mori.kurogawa7936]

🥑That was the sweetest answer 💚🌱

[@deepuyangala464]

I remember Mike's sister Dasha saying 'you would be the worst detective ever!' 😂

[@criticalmass5402]

I agree with her he's too trusting & naive. Nice but naive.

[@doctorricky]

They let that guy Youn in again. Tis Tis 😂. Great video and thanks for having me in this series @doctormike

[@brianahanson6449]

2:26-2:36 “Three-chord warrior…” Oh my gosh, I know what he means! I’ve grown up in Christian churches with worship music and even had college training that focused on music geared for Christian churches and ministry. We get things like “three-chord warrior” since simplicity goes a long way in many modern Protestant Christian worship services.

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

That sounds even simpler than the Four Chord Song, the phenomenon which Axis of Awesome raised awareness of. ;)

[@estherodinmah]

This is first time I’m hearing this😂the more you know!

[@izuqueen426]

Why does this make so much sense??? I can see a lot of parallels between their specialties and what their other career would be.

[@Abingdale]

I love when Dr M helps bring together the medical community on YT! Lifting em up, not tearing em down! ❤❤

[@H0w5L1fe]

John Patton: Ah, yeah, a lot of people don’t know this about me but I love to cook- Gordon Ramsay: WHERES THE LAMB SAUCE John: I just love the artistic nature

[@MichaelLovely-mr6oh]

John Patton would be a nicer version of Gordon Ramsay.

[@daksha3049]

Dr mike as Sherlock holmes... Interesting 😍😍

[@UnfilteredMedic]

It's good to see how our doctors and other hands-on medical workers are like outside of work.

[@samikshagoyal7707]

Dr. Karan is amazing just like Dr. Mike and the rest 😂❤️❤️

[@ashokbantawarai5310]

I feel like both Dr. Alok Patel and Dr. Alok K are interesting to talk about. Dr. Mike why don't you invite Dr. Alok on your podcast channel. Love from Nepal.

[@Tri7on]

He did collab with dr k. It might have been on dr K's channel the healthy gamer. Just search for it 'Dr Mike healthy gamer'

[@sciencewithsae]

Dr. Alok K and Dr. Mike did a podcast together!!!!!!! :D

[@JJNow-gg9so]

An investigative journalist. Improving my musical skills.

[@EllieInCaracas]

Like this comment if you want MDJ to be president of the United States of America! I definitely would vote for her ❤

[@lynnenewell2016]

❤ YES!

[@mello_the_cat]

3:37 slimecicle gave me a jumpscare there, didn't expect to see him in this video 😅

[@Hazelnutmegan]

This is so funny! My husband is an allergist/immunologist and we went on a date with question cards, one asked: If you didn’t have your current job, what job would you have? My hubby responded: Oh! I’d probably be a pediatrician or podiatrist… maybe a surgeon..? I said: But if you weren’t a doctor at all, what would you be? HE LOOKED LIKE HIS BRAIN HAD FROZEN. HE COULDN’T SPEAK! I started laughing. He asked what was so funny. I said: In your mind, there is honestly no alternate universe that exists in which YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR! 😂😂😂

[@Kristinapedia]

The editing in your videos is always so ON POINT... love it! Great video!

[@kazuhikoriku]

I’m a bit surprised that they didn’t mention more jobs within the medical field like being a biomedical scientist, nurse or EMT but change to totally different fields

[@nadiaherbst3749]

I love the lightheartedness of this video, all these serious doctors having a little fun!! Awesome content

[@MEKplayer_]

If i would be a doctor i would be a doctor

[@Sirensofgrimescounty]

yea

[@blah__]

same

[@paperstrawsYT]

yo same, that’s crazy

[@Sirensofgrimescounty]

what a coincidence

[@NathanHeaver]

Same

[@TodayAndForevermore-gt3ff]

AH YESSSS Dr Sanjay June - he made a fantastic point and this world sooooo needs those kind of teachers in education. To help make sense to make logic to make relevance of subjects or of what is being taught or learned. That is soooo vital and i believe to be key to school education. I discovered that way later in life when i started to do way better in math and in grammar of all things in my writing out paragraphs and sentence structure (unlike now because i am in a hurry) not one teacher took the time to make the connections to it all for my daily life. I got better at things when i discovered relevance when i got old and too late to go to college. To all who have youngins to raise, start now while you can to explain to them the connections to math , language , social studies and so on so they will feel connected to the subjects and know why the need to learn it and what it is for , from basic math for paying bills to making huge investments for finances or making medical spiritual discoveries, math is where its at! anyway i could go on and on but my point is Dr Sanjay June - we need more teachers with that concept he shared!!!

[@landonian1223]

ok but did you see how handsome he is?

[@jenniferbates2811]

This video was incredible!!! 👏🏽. Love the collabs!

[@hadassahm3016]

I thought I was so original calling my avocado plant Ava 😂 She's 3 years old, I grew her from a seed and she's still happy at least

[@mafaldaoliveira5180]

I was not expecting so many creative/atrs related alternatives. But it makes sense since they are already content creators. Very nice

[@user-ie6fo2qe6m]

Thank you so much Dr Mike! I learn so much from your videos!!!

[@colton3999]

Btw i love how youtube is filled with doctors fr. They educational yet funny

[@cytavares]

As an ESL teacher I loved this video, Mike, it is definitely good material to be used as input for teaching conditionals lol ❤

[@hoofhearted4]

6:40 this for me. I almost went into teaching, but went into IT instead and currently in InfoSec. But im in charge of all training and education to our employees which I absolutely love for that reason. Explaining something to people that is generally a pretty scary topic and easing their nerves about the whole thing is something I love. When I started I was Help Desk and i thoroughly enjoyed the role too because I helped people fix problems that for the unsavvy are just really frustrating problems. So even in my roles now, I love the teaching aspect of it.

[@Yourprofessionalcloutchaser]

Props to the Editors!

[@mitalishinde6890]

Is Dan still the editor ???

[@WhatIfWeAreCharacters]

They killin it

[@JohnDoe-xt5sg]

You should do the reverse as a video. Ask other professions what type of doctor they would be. Excellent content as always!

[@YuriDyatlovYD]

Hey Mike! Thanks teaching me about medical stuff! I have a surgery on the 4th and I ain't scared anymore now that I know about IVs and stuff. I just thank you for teaching me not to be scared of surgery; I'm excited about it now! Thanks c:

[@GrandmaLoves2Scuba]

Dr. Youn cracks me up! I love him ❤

[@samikshagoyal7707]

1:47 BEST PART ❤️❤️🇮🇳🇮🇳🙏🙏

[@nini-he8uy]

I love seeing rockstar/filmmaker doctors, gives me hope

[@Enfaxine]

i think doctor mike would be an actor he looks like he works with darr mann

[@megeles]

Lmfao, you should see his Dharr Mann video. He can't stand that guy.

[@HarperCreates]

So real 😂

[@thepubknight6144]

​@@megeles😂 when he was ragging at all the illegal and HIPPA violations in the first few minutes of a Dhar Mann video was awesome 😂

[@johannasmith1760]

Omg this is Great!! I love how Everyone in this video has such a great alternative career idea! I could totally see Dr. Karan as a Chef ,he's brilliant and correct cooking and surgery have a lot of correlations. Doctor Mike would be an excellent Sherlock Holmes er well he's already got the Doc Watson part down 😊

[@beautyincmajor1714]

Dr. Mike get to know Black female doctors as well! It would be nice to have some on your channel

[@hannabanana2411]

Oohh can you tag some of their KZbin channels? I'd love to watch a more diverse group of doctors content

[@dewaldR8934]

People want Racism to end, but asking a question like this KAPP

[@user-bg7nm4ez3i]

@@hannabanana2411 I know one she’s Dr Simi Adedeji and she mainly focuses on the female health.

[@sariee12]

He’s had Dr. Heather Irobunda on before but I don’t think she has her own channel on KZbin

[@sarahmoellenberg]

I love these videos and seeing how other interests bleed into your chosen profession. Could a Detective Doctor Mike series be in our future?

[@natethomas3793]

Dr. Hope! That is exactly how I plan on paying my way through medical school! I’m a classical guitarist and I wanna play in concert halls ❤️❤️

[@DavidHeylen]

Man you always make my day. Sometimes I don’t have a good day and then I see you have a new video and that litarally makes my day

[@Smokeybluetheraccoon]

I'm glad you ended up being a doctor. We need more doctors like you who listen to their patients

[@the_spider_lily911]

This was cool! I love how you keep coming with these fun topics and involve the community!

[@chloevega5711]

wow!! this so cool!! one of dr. mike’s best videos to date!!!

[@janineeb78]

I’ve found this absolutely fascinating. A lot of the alternative jobs make sense as they have similar traits to being a doctor. So glad you are doctors though as my social media would be a lot duller 😂

[@hi_tech_reptiles]

Had no idea Dr. K was a monk. Namo Buddhya! I agree - I was a psych student before changing life course and Buddhism and Vipassana changed my life, saved it really. Thankfully mindfulness practice has had more research and recognition over the past few years.

[@MariaTyri]

Hii :)! Your videos have motivated me to try and get into med school, and I hope one day I'll become a medical examiner. Me and my family appreciate you very much! You deserve all the best!! :))

[@amandarhoads4640]

This was a really fun video! I hope to see more like it! I love when the social media doctors collab!

[@user-qk5bg6gk1c]

"I'd be an unemployed rockstar"😂😂😂

[@AnirudhI05]

WOULD love to see you collab with Dr Pal someday!!

[@TabbyAshley]

Would be sooo neat to see you in the role of a detective. And Happy Easter! ✝️🎉

[@Hayleelily]

Dr. Detective Boxer Varshavski that would be awesomeeee! 😊

[@leilahthecat]

i love videos like this!! thanks for always entertaining us doctor mike 💜

[@docjp3]

Happy Easter from your Anesthesiologist and Michelin Chef! 👨🏾‍⚕️👨🏾‍🍳

[@CreativeSteve69]

This was a very fun video Doctor Mike. I recognized a couple docs on this one that my mom watches while I recognized Dr Maliek since I also subbed to her channel to learn from as well. Now I gotta add most of the ones that have channels to add to my list. Thanks Mike. Plz turn this into a series periodically with different doctors.

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

Culinary school is worth the experience alone, me and my father went and it was the best times of our lives. Image cooking and eating the highest tier of fresh food every day, for school. SOO FUN.

[@workinprogress8340]

Really, appreciate this video it helped me realize that my whole life doesn’t need to be dedicated to becoming a doctor being a doctor is just the main quest end goal in my early adult years and there’s nothing wrong with pursuing things that you love because doctors had other passions to

[@user-HellcatHemi]

Thank you for these video's for I've had far more negative experiences than not w the provider's I've seen from 2018 on as I had NVR been sick my entire life & the end of 17 my body started systematically falling apart as I became disabled w other medical issue's still unknown so these truly help me not become stuck on the negativity I've experienced while watching my dad go thru hell too as he & I both have the same degenerative spinalcord disease.

[@drewjay8940]

On the off chance that someone from your team sees this - would you consider doing a video about the documentary "Knocking?" The documentary is actually about Jehovah's Witnesses, but one of the main plotlines is about a father donating a liver to his son. They talk about how it was hard to find a hospital to do it, and it was a very experimental procedure because Witnesses cannot accept blood transfusions. Also, there's a clip of the surgeon just walking through the hospital hallway with a human liver in what looks like a cereal bowl and I so badly need to know what's up with that.

[@thedevil1667]

Omg I'm actually mesmerised that so many of them have some kind of artistic talent. As a musician I always knew that doctors like musicians and artists but that's so many of them!

[@adeolaolaiya3449]

The Russian G.O.A.T of being a detective. Nice video keep it up

[@emalie5340]

Love your videos mike!!

[@l.thomas2591]

I followed ViolinMD wayyyyyyy back when her channel started. Glad to see her again!

[@Shebeast3]

fantastic answers all round❤🎉

[@kelaya3418]

Thanks for the insight!!!

[@TsvetoslavaPopova-hf8rs]

What a wonderful video! Thank you!

[@gilded.ren.]

How did you watch the video already

[@flightsnotfeelings5867]

I can’t with these memes. The editing is GODTIER!

[@mariee.5912]

Violin MD's beautiful voice can read anything for me, I would listen to it. Comforting voice.❤

[@DravenGal]

You rock Doctor Hope! What a cool video! Glad to see ophthalmology represented! My dad was one, a long time ago. But things have changed. I went in for a optometrist appointment last week and mentioned my dad was an eye doctor. The optometrist asked "What part of the eye did he specialize in?" I said "Back in my dad's day, they did the WHOLE eye." I think that offended him, though I'm not entirely sure why. It's the truth.

[@95mudshovel]

I would vote for Mama Doctor Jones for any political office. she should totally go for it.

[@galmate9318]

Dr. Mike always deliveres. Get him to 15 mill subs, he deserves it. Love your vids, keep up the great work.

[@acrazybun]

Thats so interesting to hear what some of the doctors did before choosing the profession 👍

[@natgars]

The edit was amazing!!

[@joanne3713]

This was a fun video😂 and I love the memes and editing added in

[@curiousnerdkitteh]

Gotta appreciate doctors! It's amazing how many specialisations there are!

[@kellyhyland8434]

1:42 the first musical I ever performed, lsoh you'll always have a place in my heart

[@cwilikers]

Yayyyyy Dr. Ed Hope is still alive!

[@CamrynCarter-wx2es]

love your channel! you are the best doctor ever!!🩷

[@Axowotlz52]

If i wasn’t a doctor i would not be a doctor

[@SEm-ir4qw]

I’m a chef and I don’t think i’m smart enough to be a doctor. But I do see how they relate to each other as there is a lot of focus when on the line

[@HappilyMundane]

Jake would definitely be a lawyer, I can see them taking on difficult criminal cases, could even have some kinda catchy jingle people know him by, something like "shoulda rung Jake" or something idk I'm working on it.

[@mainelady2020]

Love ur content..thank you

[@sweettopz]

I love these videos collabs with other physicians !!!! Keep them coming

[@alishabukhari7271]

The editing on this video is sending me 😭

[@stacycamacho59]

😂😂😂 I love this! My mom as a retired nurse before her career, played in a bluegrass band with my grandma's (dad's side) brother, and his friends. Her accordions need to be fixed majorly. These are all from the 50s and 60s.

[@Sam-rj2qn]

This is such a cool video and makes us see these doctors as such multi-faceted humans! Y'all are amazing ❤

[@jo-annguthur7314]

This was the BEST video!!! ❤❤❤❤

[@rosech0senOne]

This is a cool video. Thanks for asking all your fellow doctors what they would be.