Is Cyberpunk 2077 A Disappointment? - Kinda Funny Gamescast Ep. 54

[@Chrelle509]

I like Parris Lilly.

[@KindaFunnyGames]

@@Justmeandmy20cents twitter.com/vicious696

[@Darzhafox]

He's pretty cool

[@andywar24]

@@KindaFunnyGames Cmon !!! Greg and other dudes. you guys play more games in a month than i have played in my entire life. This game is flawed at the fundamental level. Streets are so narrow you can't drive you can't turn . fodder enemy has pixel perfect aim and they can't shuffle to pad up shooting you got a health bar on enemy AI. Titillation and neon lights are garnish in cyberpunk world. World cyberpunk grapples with a question are we born with a soul or you create one in this very world. It a game made by nerds in the computer club judies and panams girl who ignored us in high school. Man you gotta stop being bulldozed by psychotic cyberpunk choombas and tell it like it is big fan Andy

[@andywar24]

This Parris dude is a sellout. It psychotic cyberpunk chooombas plus paid influencer padded up reality. I am sorry it rude i needed get it out of my chest again sorry

[@marcello696]

@@andywar24 did you watch the episode or did you just want to accuse me of something that is absolutely not true?

[@Alderslayer]

Imagine being a developer on Cyberpunk, they give you all this crunch, release the game you've worked hours and hours on when it's not ready to then see the game get slated for its plethora of issues. Oh and you now have to work even harder on the game you knew wasn't ready but your superiors pushed out anyway. CD Projekt Red truly let down their own developers more than they let down us consumers.

[@addidaswguy]

@Steven Browning the bonuses were based on Metacritic score. So rushing the game would not get them their bonuses. Delaying it, and having it as good as it can possibly be, would get them the bonuses.

[@waynewalkerorg]

I disagree. The devs knew the state of the game. I think from the pressure of investors, death threats from community, they were in a lose-lose, and figured they might as well take in the money, release the game, and spend some of the earnings fixing it and adding future content.

[@Alderslayer]

I dont think its fair to treat the devs with the same anger as those higher up. They are the ones who crunched and they didnt get to decide when the game was released. Decisions have clearly been made forcing devs to remove certain features they may not have been happy with. Yes they are somewhat complicit but they did not actively release the game in this state or treat us customers like dirt.

[@radekseky4571]

That happens every time and it breaks my heart. You think that Anthem developers didn't know it's broken? Or Fallout 76 developers? They all do, and they're all giving it their whole heart regardless. I pity them every time.

[@imaginaryblue6796]

Im sure they are fine.

[@tobyblue4318]

I saw Parris as the #1 most hyped pro-Cyberpunk person before release. So I was worried after the reviews came out that he might gloss over the negatives and focus mostly on the good aspects. I'm so glad to admit that I was wrong, I really respect that while Parris really enjoys the game he's just as critical as everyone else is. Sorry for doubting!

[@jordrl66]

You mean like a former Host of a Xbox show on here..... Being critical even if you've been involved in a game's hype is a great thing to see. Commentary is important for developers to move forward.

[@jordrl66]

@@HermanFalckHow The game being unplayable on certain consoles makes this point flawed. People don't have a issue with bugs being in the game, every game has them. The lies and lack of transparency are main reasons. They said you could get refunds now Sony are saying you can't. Its a horrible look despite many areas the game excels in.

[@aarons.2323]

From what I've seen of the base PS4 version of Cyberpunk, nothing, not even the crappy environment textures, about FFVIIR can compare. I have a base PS4, and FFVIIR never freaked out on me and dipped into single digit frames.

[@ShawnFarris]

Parris always keeps it real and I’ve watched him be excited/hype this game for years

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@HermanFalckHow Equivalent PC hardware is still PC hardware, not console hardware. And there was no reason to do that in a time when dev kits were readily available to all. The only time they ever showed the game running on (midgen) consoles was with highly doctored-footage so obvious your grandma could see the BS. Avengers and FF7 also never had texture-load issues anywhere near as egregious as this, just minor performance dips. Jedi Fallen Order and Control launched worse than both of those games. You're taking what they said at face value as absolute truth when they never proved the specs of any of their showcases. This game always was targeting a high-end experience that is too easy to compromise on the prior gen, it would be like if Valve had a PSVR port for Alyx, it was always going to be a disaster. They also could've given a PSA the day before launch when they knew for sure that the day 1 patch was far from fixing consoles. In fact the way it performs on midgen consoles is how one would've expected base consoles to perform, there's no question that it launched significantly worse than all 4 of the games you mentioned in comparison. I agree with you that what HAS been accomplished here has been overlooked in this group and that it can easily be overlooked by others. This group discussion perhaps obsessed too much over the politics of the situation (especially Greg who genuinely believes this can't 180 or get 2021 GOTY noms), but the lack of transparency DEFINITELY needed to be highlighted when discussing this game in the here and now. CD Project has forever lost some of the trust and good will they've developed, at least for whenever new games launch from them. But yea at the same time I don't think they're ever going to run away with people's money either.

[@Amaantheman]

Parris needs to be on the show more often!

[@Throwbackjosh]

so we’ve all decided that panam is the best thing about cyberpunk, right?

[@KindaFunnyGames]

Yes. - Greg

[@waynewalkerorg]

No fucking way. Takemura is the king

[@Spinnekk]

Duuuh! She's bae...

[@thisninja11]

The minute I laid eyes on Pam, it was love at first sight

[@nebulaxiii5533]

Nah, Judy is the best. Side note, does anyone know if there are consequences for being in multiple relationships? And I mean long term relationships, not hookups. Cus I got one with Judy and just started one with River Ward.

[@TrimblyWimbly]

Blessing, my girlfriend is Hispanic and hanging out with her family and close friends from The RGV it’s not uncommon for them to say a phrase or word in Spanish while primarily speaking English. I don’t speak Spanish but just like in the game you typically have enough context from the sentence to get it. And over time this has made me slowly start to learn some Spanish through every day conversation. I would assume this happened with V as well growing up in a primarily Hispanic neighborhood and living with Jackie’s family. (Also I’m pretty sure V has a universal translator cause sometimes the subtitles will translate for you)

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yes that's true, but the execution from Jackie doesn't feel as natural as real life, it feels pretty forced, like they're writing it this way just because that's how their Spanish friends talk, rather than getting an actual Spanish speaker to go over the lines like Insomniac did with Spiderman. Blessing was kinda wrong in his criticism yes but if it was executed better like Miles Morales, he probably wouldn't had noticed it enough.

[@scarlet8078]

​@@Alex_Logan22 Imo the English translation/ localization has issues, esp the slang. My family is Latino & yeah, we can tell it wasn't written by a native English/ Spanish speaker, but that's ok. We like that CP2077 has Latinos & we adore Jackie. We don't appreciate the reviewers claiming cultural appropriation on our behalf bc it inevitably leads to LESS representation. For example, a few months back Twitch released cute Latino History emojis which we all loved, but then wight folks complained & made Twitch delete them 🤣

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@scarlet8078 Exactly, I noticed that happen with trans as well. People out of their element really shouldn't comment for others at all.

[@refugee522studios]

@@scarlet8078 I wonder if Andy had been on this podcast what he would've said. Seems lame that 2 white and 2 black guys decide that jackie's character was racially offensive and that the game is transphobic for all of us.

[@themightyant.]

Parris was so patient and polite in the first half. By half-time he had figured it out and mentioned that he just had to jump in. Second half MVP. Here’s hoping CP2077 has a a similar arc.

[@roblee222]

"Let me customize my V" Bless with a bar! 😂😂😂😂

[@quentincompson5746]

I'm surprised this line didn't get a bigger reaction. Tim's reaction was perfect, but the others hardly blinked.

[@S0mewhat_Damaged]

Greg talks about PC gaming like a old person talking about consoles.

[@n2nother]

As he should.

[@chrisbroad2689]

It’s a joke that got old a long time ago. Obviously most people don’t own pc’s and that matters with the cyberpunk situation but it’s something to not just straight up dismiss.

[@michielnuyts7187]

@Steven Browning Well said.

[@tripandfall2379]

@@MikeHeldTheWorld agree. I love Greg but his inability to grasp some basic PC concepts is unsettling to me...

[@VysetheLegendary]

@@MikeHeldTheWorld Why does Greg need to really give PC gaming a 'chance' though? I can understand if it's his job to write reviews or content based on PC games, but if he enjoys the experience he is getting as a console gamer, then why the issue? Sure he could likely get a fancy PC in a heartbeat if he wanted, but so could many people, and yet they prefer the console experience, even if it may mean more issues. Personally if I found something more enjoyable one way, even if it wasn't the 'optimal' way, I'd likely do that too. I can understand not liking the little jabs here and there, how much of that is just for fun/serious, only he will know, but many console and PC gamers have been giving each other shit for ages, some justified, some just usual internet nonsense, but as someone who has been gaming for more years than I can count, it's just not worth getting too riled up over any of this. Enjoy the platform you play on, respect the choices others have for there's, and have fun at the end of the day.

[@_EVANERV_]

I'm 60 hours in and I only do hacking and stealth take downs, guns and blades as a final resort. So far I'm really loving the mechanic.

[@savage7ecneek437]

Just now getting into hacking after 1 storyline finished Can't get the access point hacking

[@bankakinmola7385]

Yea. Probably took 2-3 hrs to get the hang of 1st person stealth & melee... but now around 40 hrs in, I LOVE my corpo assassin build!!! Glad I stuck with it. Have actually invested zero pts in the body or reflexes skill trees. My V just hit lvl 25/26 Street Cred; all pts poured into Hacking, Tech, & Cool. Still... none of the clunkiness or problems reviewers had adjusting to melee. Straight beast mode w/ a katana or blade! Mostly use 'em in combo w/ stealth though. Or if there's only 1-2 enemies to deal with... Or to spank that one thug always dumb enough to rush me behind cover... Right up until I hack him, freeze him, & start placing bets on how many of his appendages get scattered across the pavement before his torso lands 😛. Really love this game! 🥰🥰🥰

[@acrnm]

38:45 - As a Latino who grew up in East Los Angeles California Jackie Welles is a huge huge nod to my upbringing, culture and life. His character completely captured me and what happens in the storyline impacted my emotions ten fold because of this. It was like having one of the OG’s from my neighborhood in the game and it was just amazing so Thank you CD PROJEKT RED! Edit: The Valentino’s too! My culture is in this game !

[@bobbob679]

Is anyone going to talk about the enemy, cop or car AI? I feel like this is the most immersion breaking part of the game.

[@marcosantamaria804]

Yea everyone is taking about bugs which is taking away from people talking about things like that.

[@mabsali8770]

Yep, the whole cop mechanics is just useless. The driving in this game is at most times terrible. It feels like you’re driving on ice and the tyres have no grips whatsoever. Hence why I use bikes as my go-to vehicle and it’s so much more better!

[@refugee522studios]

agreed this is the only real thing that hurts the game for me. Bugs don't matter to me, but the broken cop and driving AI is really bad. I love the game completely otherwise.

[@TheFrothyBrew]

Greg specifically mentions this at 25:09.

[@eplltaph7611]

yeah its definitely weak hopefully it can be improved.

[@RoaringTide]

I don't really gel with this idea that they should have included more commentary around transgender and sexuality. Why would there be pointed messaging on concepts that are so normal in that world? You could insert lines or posters that meaningfully poke fun at the status of those things in real life, but I would argue that kinda breaks the illusion somewhat. Like why would commentary relevant to OUR world be in THEIR world? For them, everything is 110% accepted and exploited - no stone is left unturned with sexuality and body mod. Perhaps more *varied* ads that demonstrate that would make sense, but I think any "wink wink" commentary aimed at us would come off as forceful unless they took the GTA route into parody, which they didn't.

[@nosworc]

Imagine having a badass guest like Paris and not letting him speak for 40 mins, he was trying his best to come into the conversation so many times.

[@kingofkings1stfs]

I noticed that myself, they definitely spoke over him so much and jumped around. Guess I’ll hear what he has to say on his podcast

[@nicholeass9729]

Y’all obviously didn’t do the racing side quests with Claire.

[@kingofkings1stfs]

Clearly lol

[@thisninja11]

Yeah I was gonna say that too lol. That’s where you find out Claire is transgender

[@ryanfields4990]

Agreed and they wrote it in there really well loved clare quest line

[@goncaloduarte4683]

The notion that the marketing of this was transphobic is insane, the most "" "transphobic""" thing they did was making that "classic" and overused Helicopter joke.

[@Harabusa200]

well damn... i got spoiled... so far i've been avoiding the Claire racing quest since the driving is not that good especially with a controller

[@Blietzflame845]

tim your monitor should be raised higher so at eye level, when looking down for long times can cause neck issues

[@OMAR-vq3yb]

You got me fixing my posture now

[@reidmcilwain4658]

I've never played a game that I have to force myself to get through but when I'm not playing it's all I think about. Also Parris had some fantastic talking points. Please bring him back.

[@neojd]

Shout out once again to Tim’s setup. Living the dream.

[@ItsGregKon]

Tim, that's not a PC -- that's a BATTLESTATION

[@bmig2463]

Been following Parris via Gamertag Radio Podcast for years, and to see him come into his own is inspiring. Glad to see the brother doing well, and I see Parris growing even more.

[@bobbysoule379]

Tons of valid criticism in this video, but one thing I have to disagree with. You all posed the question: why would you ever stealth and hack when you can just go in guns blazing. But from the other perspective: why would you ever go in guns blazing when you can hack every enemy in the building you're trying to infiltrate from across the street. If you're trying to be stealthy and get spotted by an enemy, it makes sense that they'll try to shoot you and raise the alarm, but you can still use hacks to wipe his memory and recover without getting into a huge firefight. That seems like a quintessential rpg element to give you the option to stealthily take everyone out or just say fuck it and go in guns blazing.

[@mabsali8770]

My 30 hours with it on PS5 has been (thankfully) more positive than negative. I'm loving the story and characters and the world is really cool....but the instability is just unbearable at times and just sours the experience. I've had nearing 30 crashes with the game, with one of them making me have to shut down and restart my PS5. It's such a shame but its a game I think about all the time and wanting to go back to the world as soon as I have free time!

[@TonyAurum]

It's absolutely wild that you say you've had nearly 30 crashes and still consider your experience to be more positive. I don't think any game would be given the same amount of leeway that this one has been given

[@mabsali8770]

@@TonyAurum Like i've said, i'm engrossed in that world and i'm enjoying my time in the game and love playing with all the mechanics it has to offer. By all means i'm not giving it leeway because its "Cyberpunk 2077". The senior management have a lot to answer for on the decisions made and how it was managed, and absolutely deserve all the outcry and criticism being thrown towards them. I know it would've been much worse if I was playing it on the PS4, but given I've got a PS5 and loading back into my save is really quick because of the tech, that has been the saving grace for me with those crashes. And of course, it is the next best place to play it after a PC.

[@thepolished1]

@@mabsali8770 That is... Insane. I'm returning it today after playing about 4 hours MAYBE, on ps5. Constantly seeing graphical bugs that take you out of the game and one crash was enough for me to call it a day.

[@mabsali8770]

@@thepolished1 on of course that is to do with player by player. Visually it’s been absolutely fine for me on PS5 once I’ve turned off things like Chromatic Aborration, clear motion, film grain etc. Yes I’ve got weird glitches here and there but nothing that is bothersome

[@bafford7518]

Good to hear! I will have a blast with it in the future then, when most of the bugs are fixed and the game isn't as broken. Don't feel any rush playing it at it's current state.

[@HAL1138]

Great talk, maybe let Parris talk a bit though? We have also heard the Kinda Funny crew talk about this game a good amount, so it’s odd to have him on a 60 second timer and seemingly skipped over during a lot of the talk. He clearly had something to say, but “Let’s talk about sponsors”

[@carlayres8484]

Yes, I noticed this, and the moment he tried to chime in he got talked over. Let your guests talk guys, otherwise what's the point in having them on?!?

[@xxmattbreezyxx]

To Blessing's "pleasure sleeve" comment. I walked into a room early on.... NOTHING BUT tubular mouths.

[@alan9tails148]

I love Parris' sober, clear, coherent and concise contributions.

[@DoNotWorryPodcast]

I feel like Parris barely got a word in (40 min in) and with 5 people on the pod some people went on for far too long.

[@MonkSupra]

My thing is like how does barret almost speak more than Paris? I usually like his commentary but bruh, you’ve only played 6 hours, everything you said was a reiteration of what they were just saying, you admit it before you go in, and bro there’s 5 people on this panel, if you have very little to add just save it. But overall a great talk. Still love Barret just sayinn

[@Alex_Logan22]

Yea they sometimes moved on to the next topic too quickly before he got his say in, leaving him to have to go backwards.

[@waynewalkerorg]

The nitpicking on the social aspects of the game is a bit cringe. "Jackie speaking Spanish at times" is not uncommon and such an odd thing to point out. Some of the Trans arguments are a bit understandable, but I fear this type of misguided attempts at social commentary will push devs away from tackling these more adult type of issues. Really disappointing.

[@waynewalkerorg]

it just seems every race in a game needs to have a completely fleshed out backstory and narrative to explain their existence in the world, otherwise its just assumed its for set dressing. Really disingenuous argument and critique on a game with much more pertinent and pressing issues that face it.

[@shockblast20]

It's not transphobic either.

[@Dreggy990]

@@waynewalkerorg yeah I hated when they got into it felt so basic journalism talking points. I’m hispanic I also work at a prison and guess what we got hatian gangs, Mexican gangs etc. people of the same cultural background tend to link up. Spanish speaking people do switch back and forth a lot too. It’s just that California mind set of needing to speak out for the “offended” monority

[@refugee522studios]

@@Dreggy990 Shocking they all (except maybe Parris) life in san francisco. Rich SF liberals gotta be woke on other peoples behalf

[@refugee522studios]

@@waynewalkerorg Exactly, and the critque that the game didn't have a message is wack to me. WHY DOES EVERY GAME HAVE TO TELL ME HOW TO THINK AND BELIEVE. I can play a game and enjoy it if it's not telling me a social commentary. Blessing did this in his review last week "I wish the anti-capitalist stuff was stronger" Who said this game has to be anti-capitalist for me to enjoy it.

[@No0neLikeKimbers]

Played 2.5 hours on launch day ps4 ... story is really immersive along with Night City. If the frame rate was at 25-30 fps i’d love the game.

[@xiRePeNTx]

Agreed, but its a shame the game won't sell well. Even if CDPR able to redeem themselves by ironing out the bugs, the launch fiasco is something which people won't forget so easily so i think this game is bit fucked. As grand this game is it just won't have the over the top fanbase that witcher holds, rightfully so

[@memes3751]

15 frames per second

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@xiRePeNTx It already made profit day 1 and soared past all Witcher records.

[@xiRePeNTx]

@@Alex_Logan22 mate im talking about the long term just not the initial sales. The launch disaster will definitely have an impact , see the sales in a year or two. People have a perception Cyberpunk now as bad as Fallout 76 which is a shame cuz if they iron out the bugs its one of best single player campaigns ever. Definitely goes head to head with rdr 2 and ghost of Tsushima

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@xiRePeNTx Fallout 76 didn't launch anywhere close to this, and CDPR has a reputation for both fixing their games and giving back to their fans, unlike Bethesda. People made this argument about the long term sales of TLOU2 and guess what, Neil wouldn't had been promoted to Co-President if the sales had any kind of slump.

[@StillChewy]

Great takes all around. I think Parris nailed it when he said you're right if you think it's a great game or terrible game.

[@ryandeen6927]

The discussion the guys had about the presence of transphobia in the game made me pretty upset. To me, it seemed like the only example they had was the poster that was over sexualizing trans people, but there are TONS of posters and billboards that sexualize everything, so its not being exceptionally disparaging towards one demographic. My main qualm though is that they kept saying there are no redemptive arcs for trans people in this game, when in fact there is a whole series of side quests with a pretty main character who you learn towards the end is a trans person. It was never focused on, it was just a part of who they were and they just happened to be trans and I loved them! To me it just seems ignorant to say the game is transphobic. If somebody has a different opinion I would love to be educated about it, truly.

[@jeremyvisser3877]

Agreed, but be careful Tim might just blame you for his words, he's done it to me. Just a friendly heads up. For reference he spent 2 hours in the Joker review spreading false narratives about mental health, then when I called him on his bullshit I get a msg saying I "misrepresented" his words, like that's even possible, I took what he literally said and he got all in his feelings because I'm not part of the echo chamber he lives in. Also I'm Schizophrenic and him telling me that I was misrepresenting his words is the most shallow, affluent nonsense ever.

[@jlove533]

LET ME CUSTOMIZE MY V Blessing is a treasure

[@imaginaryblue6796]

Blessing is a joke

[@jlove533]

@@imaginaryblue6796 You can go ahead and keep your negativity to yourself. Thanks

[@calimanduff]

Thank you Greg for quoting Carolines review! It means a lot for you to bring her voice to that conversation, even if it's just reading her words.

[@Loopez2284]

Awful hosting from Tim, Parris barely spoke and tried a few times to join the conversation but was over-powered by 4 others unfortunately. Parris seems like a cool dude

[@wavyseaweed]

Sooo glad you got Parris in for this conversation.

[@CameronKen]

I am so happy Parris jumped back to the previous conversation hahah. Watching him clearly want to say something for like 10 minutes then someone else jumping in every time was killing me. Really great episode, everyone clearly was dying to talk about this game and it's nice to hear about all these criticisms in terms of what the game's messages are, what the writers and developers are trying to convey, and how they may have failed there instead of just talk about bugs and being more linear than expected (although those are important too).

[@andykww]

46:30 Claire is a trans character in Cyberpunk 2077

[@nexuszen769]

Proving that, as per usual, POLYGON DOESN'T PLAY FUCKING GAMES. Lol

[@billyocean28]

The missions are fun, but the AI breaks the immersion for me. Night City feels scripted. Some enemies wont fight back. I also miss the random encounters that were in the witcher 3

[@ThatsHipHop4Yaaa]

What’s really crazy to me is in CDPRs earning call they talk about how they’ve still yet implemented how the Ai is suppose to act and is coming in the big patch coming in January or February.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

I kind of wish the Ai was more like Gta 5 the Ai in that game reacts to everything almost to the point were they feel like real people the cyberpunk Ai is a little dull and really don’t react much. Even the cops in the gta compared to cyberpunk it’s night and day and I hate to compare those games to cyberpunk but it’s kind of hard not to when there so similar.

[@BookOfNora]

1:02:42 that's why I was so fucking happy when I learned that TLOU2 had an auto-pickup option for ammo, resources, etc.

[@geoff9169]

This is one of the best stories in ages and all we are talking about is technical issues. I feel horrible for the devs. Having to release a game, during a pandemic, on SIX different platforms is utterly insane.

[@VIP_World]

I would have felt bad if they did not actively deceive consumers.

[@DillonintheDetails]

They had all the time in the world. This is incompetence, straight up.

[@theyoungjawn]

@@VIP_World the developers didn’t dupe consumers. The CEO did.

[@asgiov]

I agree with you, but the marketing should have set better expectations. If they just advertised the game and focused development on next gen... but just basically said they would work hard to make it playable on last gen as a sort of 'olive branch'... and delayed last gen until it was "ready". people would have been WAY WAY more forgiving... Then they could have timed it and released it with PS5, Series X and been one of the best next gen launch titles ever... but instead they ended up spending a lot of time optimizing and fixing a really poor version of the game... and I'm sure that hurt the progress on bug fixes on PC as well. Hindsight is 20/20, I guess.

[@Alex_Logan22]

@@asgiov Since they released the E3 2018 footage I said to myself, "this is a next gen game, no way that's going to run on current gen" and damn it hurts to be right.

[@tb-3036]

There's so much stuff this game doesn't get right and still it feels like best thing I've ever played.

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

The actual game itself is great it just suffers from a lot of technical issues

[@captainxodus8897]

The 2nd game in my entire gaming life that I returned. Highly disappointed will possibly revisit after next Gen version is available.

[@franklinjoseph9067]

What's the first?

[@captainxodus8897]

@@franklinjoseph9067 Mass Effect: Andromeda

[@MyStoryQuest]

This is a great show and somehow, Paris made it 10 times better. Bravo

[@fanana_bishh]

I want to be friends with Parris Lilly

[@michael23fly]

Am I the only on who got Jackies bike after my car got destroyed by delamain? Right when u leave the apt for the 1st time, Jackie's mom says for u to come over. I did bc I felt sad about what happened to Jackie. They all were frustrated with not having a vehicle to get around the city.

[@BatBreaker007]

I could literally listen to Parris talk about whatever all day long. Well spoken and a great personality. Hope we see him on a lot more.

[@Stinkdeken87]

Parris Lilly joins us to give all of our thoughts on Cyberpunk 2077. Parris Lilly joins us to give all of our thoughts on Cyberpunk 2077. He joins twice?!?! :P

[@Pockets3131]

Parris so nice - They told us twice.

[@witchx2005]

there is a trans character though, and its pretty well done how its presented to the player, if you do the car race side missions you will get to know her.

[@JayUnarmed]

Guy in the bottom right thinks language doesn't change in 50 years? lol... Let alone slang, I cant even understand my cousin half the time who's only 15 years younger than me.

[@stuartbagley2586]

Language won’t change in 57 years, but people will have robot faces and flying cars. Yep. Checks out.

[@e.x.watson9997]

15:23 I've experienced a couple of times where I'd be talking to a character and they'd deliver a word or a line in a completely different voice. Either they made rewrites and couldn't get the same actors or as he says, placeholder dialogue was not replaced approriately.

[@GetGoodGirl1561]

Blessing fucking killed me: "Let me customize my V." I can't 🤣🤣🤣

[@kingofkings1stfs]

I think you guys should play the side missions more regarding the trans community. It’s a little unfortunate you guys bring up this subject before experiencing it in the game. But it’s early response so I get why you guys have come across it

[@Sam-sd5si]

Well they were just wrong about the trans representation, Claire is trans and she is a very significant character for a while.

[@sterkrazzy]

Yea, they spent a while talking about that while using articles that were written by people that also missed the Claire quests...a bunch of people are missing this

[@refugee522studios]

Yep, that's what they get for having only played 10-20 hours of the game (yes Parris played 45 so he has the only real representation of the game that can be trusted on this gamescast). It's really annoying listening to or reading game reviews for open world games like this and you have people who either don't enjoy these type of games (and shouldn't be reviewing them) these people who rush to play the game and then don't actually get into the sidequests. like Imran bitching about sidequests having played like 10 hours of the game is so stupid. The sidequests open up later in the game and are fantastic.

[@johnsantisteban7362]

Yo ya killed it! Paris is one of my favorite guest, hope he comes back more

[@Crashme222]

Paris is so cool and kind

[@Alex_Logan22]

I don't know if Cyberpunk 2020 has rich source material to leverage outside of abundant lore, but I know The Witcher games were so good because of that and not necessarily cause of CD's writers. They weren't adapting critically acclaimed novels this time, just a table top game.

[@yeahiguessman]

Loved this episode. Loved having Paris on here. You guys all have a great dynamic together. Although, I do feel like Imran is nitpicking things to a point where I’m starting to think he may not like the genre of Cyberpunk? Most of his gripes with the storytelling and world are present in a ton of other popular stories in this genre. Also at around 22min Paris mentions he expected the game to be polished and I just don’t know what led him to expect that. Witcher 3 had horribly game breaking bugs on console. The big issue this time around is crashes, but CD has a history of launching very buggy games that do eventually get fixed. The game definitely wasn’t ready for release, but I’d honestly never expect a not buggy product at launch from them. Either way, I think everyone agrees the game could have done with more time in the oven and CD’s response to all of this is horrible and a disservice to the tons of developers who spend almost a decade of their life working on this product in some way. It’s a shame.

[@PrettyGoodSamuel]

Driving is broken because you literally cannot turn. Like what's wrong with the vehicles in this game that they can just barely turn. On top of that the mini map is so zoomed in that you miss every turn you have to take. On top of that the combination of not knowing you have to turn until you're passing it *AND* not being able to turn... Who tested this game and didn't realise this?

[@RafaelHernandez-or8wj]

Im lvl 20 and lvl 29 street cred been leveling up reflexes and focusing perk points into the handguns tree. With Cool being secondary for some stealth play and this build has been fun to play so far

[@thisninja11]

Also, as a latino, I LOVED Jackie’s Spanglish. It was great. It felt organic and flowed with dialogue very easily. And it’s a good example of how a lot of Latinos who use both English and Spanish will mix it up in conversation. Also, Jackie elicits such high confidence and charisma, that I doubt he would care if people get what he says in Spanish or not.

[@hashammukhtar4046]

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[@AssembleShow]

yay Parris!

[@TheRyRob]

Loved seeing Parris on the show. And I feel like I fall somewhere between Greg and Parris on how I feel about this game. I’ve put in a lot of hours into this game and I love it. It just sucks that the discourse around the game distracts from a lot of the good things about Cyberpunk.

[@Redswipe]

The start is pretty linear and it took 3 or 4 hours to really get going for me but I've now put 40+ hours into it so far and am loving it . Playing on PC and have only had minor visual bugs like text sticking on screen after a convo has ended or items floating in the air.

[@RoaringTide]

I'm glad others picked up on some of the weird story moments that feel misaligned with previous decisions or events. I had the same thought about Johnny when your car gets wrecked. V says something like "Fuck, did you see that Johnny?!" I was just like, "Wait, why are you looking for his input all of a sudden?" It's almost like they expected you to do that quest after having spent time with him already, but it's available right after you meet him. So weird. I also kinda felt like too much of the dialogue with Jackie during Act 1 was needlessly provocative. In some of the choices it felt like all the available dialogue options were varying degrees of disapproval in order to force a bit of friction ahead of the climax.

[@HEARD201]

That whole transgender conversation they had seems so silly. Why are you telling other people how to be offended.

[@Dreggy990]

Yeah I’m sure most actual transgenders really don’t care

[@scarlet8078]

The other day they were saying "Latinx gamers are upset about Jackie." & the comments were full of us saying that (a) we are skeptical that an actual Latino is referring to himself in that way & (b) we all love Jackie. But, hey, different opinions make the world go round 😄

[@refugee522studios]

@@Dreggy990 It's because they all live in San Francisco and they have to be super woke and offended on other peoples behalf. The criticism blessing had that the character creator only had masculine and feminine voices is crazy. you can choose any voice, with any body style, with any genitals you want. you can have a beefy male voice with a feminine body with a cock. or a feminine voice, with a masculine body and a vagina. they literally covered every base. and if they're sexualizing men and women in the game they aren't allowed to sexualize trans as well? Love KF but when they get into the politcs and into the "this is offensive" they make want to skip to the next conversation even though I usually just listen through it because I like them as a whole.

[@HEARD201]

@@scarlet8078 True, and i feel like it's ALWAYS a bunch of white people who decide what's offensive and what's not.

[@nexuszen769]

White San Francisco liberals for ya.

[@ggstarwizzrd]

I want them to add: customization of body and apparel, way more keybind options (it took me 2hrs to finally google how to open the game menu since it doesn't show up in settings, and the option to bind an action to two keys would help loads), the walk toggle which is coming soon, better mirrors? I'm only a few hours into the game but I feel I should be waiting for some patches to get a better experience.

[@montapella-official1326]

Parris was a fantastic addition to this! Need more of him on here

[@SuperHellhawk]

The expectations were through the roof with this game, it’s not a surprise that people dislike it! The crashes, bugs and many issues compound the game more

[@andykww]

I totally agree with the imbalancing of the RPG elements. The game doesn't reward you for investing in your chosen play style because in the end it doesn't matter.

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

I'm playing on base ps4 and am having very few technical gripes with the game. It's has bugs and glitches but it's running ok. I picked to play as a nomad because i wanted to discover night city as an outsider. Only to find out that I don't even get to drive to night city and see it for the first time along with V. In fact I felt like I missed the first 6 months of v's time there. It was just skipped through in that montage. Why wouldn't I have been given that experience as the player as an introduction to the mechanics and night city? Sleeping on your buddies couch until I made enough money for my own apartment for instance. By doing small missions as the story ramped up. The city for as cool as it looks feels like set dressing for the story. Much like it did in L.A noir. Outside of shooting and shopping there's very little interaction. London in watchdogs legion felt more alive. And I didn't think i would be able to say that. In the end I'm doing a Gregg and playing it like it's an update of the fallout game series.

[@janilehto3195]

For me it was the opposite. Absolutely loving the game +30 hours in on PC. I barely had any hype or expectations, went fully in blind. And it ended up being my favorite game of the year, maybe even of all time when it comes to single players. But if I was a PS4/Xbone player I'd be pissed for sure.

[@asgiov]

@Steven Browning Class action lawsuits happen because Lawyers are opportunistic aholes... that jump on the opportunity to make a lot of money (Also a drawback of captialism). Cyberpunk has issues, definitely... and I agree the base console release is in an unacceptable state. But it's okay for people to acknowledge they loved the game if they had a good experience with it.

[@asgiov]

​@Steven Browning I would say the same thing... "It's okay for people to acknowledge they loved the game IF they had a good experience with it". Didn't say not to call them out on the problems. And class action lawsuits rarely actually ever help consumers and force changes in companies. They almost always just result in lining the pockets of the lawyers performing them. If you think that is some sort of justice, fine.... I don't agree with it. I generally also don't jump on the internet outrage bandwagons people had for Anthem or Mass Effect either...

[@Jukeboxchigg]

I just finished my first playthrough. It's pretty good. I found a lot more linear than I wanted and didn't really feel that my choices mattered as much as I wanted. I'm going to do another playthrough and see how much changes but definitely a little underwhelmed with how little there is to do aside from random crime encounters. It reminds me of GTA 4

[@robertbrown2706]

Love Parris as a cohost!

[@imacmccormick]

We need more Parris in our lives.

[@maddoggnick96]

This is KFG Vol. 2, Episode 54 (Episode 306 overall)

[@scarlet8078]

I agree with everything Imran said about CP2077. The slang is so cringe, the taste & tone is wrong. Idk if the English translation/ localization is bad or what. Evelyn is the only good quest for me. I think those of us who wanted a RPG & who like RPGs are very disappointed. Also, the 'female' Vee isn't a good choice bc he's such a tough-guy char & the story is linear & his persona can't be changed

[@Alex_Logan22]

Are there any voice modifiers, or is it just 1 male and 1 female?

[@DanielHodder7]

There’s some absolutely baffling decisions they made that makes it feel like they started development a year ago instead of 8 years ago like Anthem. Why is there no option to have just a septum piercing? The only septum piercing you can have also has big eyebrow piercings? Just small stuff like that makes you wonder how no one developing the game went “Hey, do you think people would make just want one piercing. Let’s allow them to choose piercings separately instead of all of them at once”

[@Saugerdees]

Character creator is very underwhelming. I still hold that Dragon's Dogma has the best character creator.

[@pennylevel]

I love Paris and his contributions to this video! Can yall please bring him on more

[@sachin72767]

i think this game being mainstream and highly anticipated by alot of people compelled the developers to heavily streamline the game. The witcher 2 at the time was not a mainstream game and was only interested in being a complex rpg at its core with requirements such as drinking potion before battle and not in battle forcing you to prepare. Maybe being mainstream does hurt ambitious games when you want to cater it to as wide of an audience as possible.

[@jgons]

@gameovergreggy I felt the same way... Corpo path was such a lie. we immediately get ripped to being a street kid with less connections.

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

It's the same with nomad.

[@Sam-sd5si]

Yeah I was pretty disappointed with this at first too but using the dialouge when applicable helps. It's enough (personally) for me for RPing but not really substantial in game.

[@Alex_Logan22]

Seems like street kid was the right choice.

[@tomofthepops]

It's a fine open world game compared to its peers but I think everyone was hoping it would be the next leap in open world games which it isn't.

[@olischues]

This is gonna be a good one!

[@tripandfall2379]

Teskbf

[@CrossOutBryce]

I actually fucking cracked up seeing Tim's monitor LMAO. It's somehow both awesome and super goofy looking

[@_kaushin1540]

Tim reminds me of me, and not for Cyberpunk because I am waiting for the true PS5 version to play, but just as a person and his likes, energy, and over the top-ness.. it is uncanny. Great discussion guys!

[@mp2216]

So nice they named him twice.

[@CrossOutBryce]

Definitely have Parris on more things! He's an excellent guest!

[@CRTurtle]

Parris says it best, it’s the leadership that is to blame for any of the faults of the studio.

[@calimanduff]

"Cyberpunk has a backdrop of Cyberpunk to tell stories about Cyberpunk". I think Imran summed up perfectly what it is about this game that is so uninteresting to me. It cares way more about the aesthetics and vague themes of 80's cyberpunk than actually whats at the core of cyberpunk. Rather than using the setting as a backdrop for interesting stories, the backdrop exists simply to be looked at and be impressed by. The Sinnerman quest line is the only one so far that feels like isnt sniffing its own neon farts and tries to actually explore the humanity of the cities citizens rather than impress through pretty lights and absurdly rude dialogue.

[@IowanLawman]

Keanu Reeves carried the fucking game. He's an asshole at the start but once you get through the story you get to understand him and both of you get to become friends. Without him, I don't think this game would be even mediocre at all.

[@achafilms3968]

some of you say deep complex game? its totally the opposite: The live megabuildings we were promised, there are only a couple you can enter and all of them are 1 or 2 stories only. Cyberware is extremely limited and bland. There are no police chases, you can move 1 block away and all your crimes against humanity are forgiven. Most the side content is just go there kill every bad guy get your eddies. There's very little to do in the game world outside of quests in general. There are no factions or karma systems.. and the list goes on... I only feel night city alive when interacting with a main character, as NPCS interactions are a joke. Bugs might be fixed in time, how will they make this game a real DEEP RPG as they said it would be?

[@kingofgoldfish]

yall betta hire parris and snowbikemike full time bruh

[@davidmoreno7525]

So far, I've been having an absolute blast. My biggest gripes are the AI not being amazing and not enough customization options for the character and not enough random fun activities to do in the city, but besides that I'm loving the world, the characters, the missions and story, the gameplay and different styles you can develop that already have me thinking about my 3rd playthrough while I'm still early in my 1st at 28 hours. And the city is breathtaking, just walking around and looking at the sights is a fun activity, if this was just a beautiful walking Simulator it would still feel like a good 20 or 30 dollar purchase, that's how cool the city is. Biggest issue has been bugs and expectations that are very very high, this is a dope ass open world game with cyberware body modifications and a cool fuckin story. I'm pretty addicted rn.

[@infinitecorpze]

It's so funny that y'all had a whole moment about losing your car and I literally didn't even notice until that fake out and I was just like Oh. I guess I don't have a car.

[@alexjohnson9591]

The best word I can use to describe my experience with Cyberpunk is "Tomacco"

[@stanco4ever]

Tastes like Grandma! I want more.

[@stuartbagley2586]

👍🏽

[@sutekidane94]

It feels like the game doesn’t penalize you for going stealth or going guns blazing, but there are some scenarios where your choice does change what types of enemies show up. I’ve been playing stealth, and after watching someone stream where they went guns blazing during a main story mission. On stealth, I only had to deal with a few enemies. On guns blazing, a mech dropped in from the ceiling.

[@cpjec]

Precision rifles with tech shot are seriously too OP. You can just ping one enemy and shoot everyone through the walls and you don't have to enter any building and your mission is done. Definitely agreeing with their point of "forcing yourself to play as a netrunner/hacker". I am enjoying the game but it doesn't have any direction and doesn't give me penalties for being biased to one weapon.

[@davecarsley8773]

Guys, this is based on something written in the 90s. You want them to make what YOU imagine "cyberpunk" to be in 2020. As stated from the beginning, they made what Mike Pondsmith thought Cyberpunk was 30 years ago. They didn't create this world. They didn't create the gangs. They didn't create the "Japanese people" or the "voodoo people". This isn't that hard to understand, guys.

[@scarlet8078]

I love Tim's voice, although I find it hilarious when I see him on these video podcasts & notice he has that 'health glow' to his face as if he's been chasing his Adderall with Red Bull & vodka. 😁

[@chadnovva2934]

Almost all my friends where Mexican or Chinese growing Up, when your primary language is different then English, even when speaking to a English speaker, you Think in your original language and in the heat of the moment say what your thinking out loud which would be on your original language.

[@Crashme222]

I feel like this review discussion was way too short and could've gone on much longer, no need to rush for time when it's something interesting guys :D

[@refugee522studios]

Well aside from Parris most of them are barely into act 2. how can they give any sort of reasonable review or discussion on the game they've hardly played. i'm 45 hours in and feel like i've barely scratched the surface and am in act 2

[@Crashme222]

@@refugee522studios Fair point!

[@kevinbeatsman6998]

Tim's face when Greg "paused" him! lol