What Went Wrong with MARVEL SNAP

[@Dokujitsu]

17:11 I played daily, bought season passes, did all the missions and grinded as much as I could to get as many keys as possible and I still couldn't keep up due to bad RNG and never having enough "luck" to get the hot new thing in 1 or 2 tries. This was a major reason I had to quit.

[@Dahlialien_]

Skill issue

[@Dokujitsu]

@@Dahlialien_ DUR HURRRRR!! Good one!!

[@IMCyphyxx]

Ive had great luck on seasons i didnt really care about but the one i did not as much. The whole symbiote month was disappointing for me

[@CiciColino]

I had exactly the same experience and even spent money early in. It really started feeling like a job rather than a fun side game. It was just too much.

[@azizulfikri8392]

The sad part is that I've actually created a new account which is purely f2p and yet I still get a duplicate pull from the spotlight cache. That in itself is dissapointing.

[@JustSippingTea]

Whats funny is the advertisement of the game was "there isnt any pay to win just play and have fun" and look at it now

[@Шышыга]

I think with season pass you can get 3/5 new cards

[@bafflinbook9345]

It never was. Not with the card attached to the monthly pass that wouldn't be available until months if you don't buy the monthly pass.

[@VulcanP90]

it was always pay to win. Playing it for more than the tutorial phase would have shown that.

[@HarioGu]

With so many cards in pools 4 and 5 and to have the random spotlight key giving you a copy of a pool 4 or 5 only for to turn into 1000 tokens is and was the biggest slap in the face to players.... thats when i knew when to stop playing this

[@rayromano6249]

You entitled kids make me laugh. I've only paid for 2 season and never had a problem with having most cards

[@HarioGu]

@rayromano6249 lucky you

[@Laurence1476]

⁠@@HarioGu it's not luck, it's called patience, something kids don't have. You all want everything unlocked immediately. That's not a game's fault but immature mentality

[@HarioGu]

@@Laurence1476 nah not even close to the truth.. but whatever

[@VulcanP90]

@@rayromano6249 you're also a bot. why you're here trolling, we'll never know. co find something constructive to do, junior.

[@MalevolentFae]

I stopped immediately after Zabu expansion. The pay to win stank so bad and yes, grinding the cards everyday/week to have a fighting chance was not worth it.

[@MrRedx55]

Looking for who asked 😂😂😂

[@MalevolentFae]

@@MrRedx55 Looks like I found someone who cares

[@LilBoTeeth]

@@MrRedx55 listening to the frozen soundtrack waiting for who asked 💀

[@bacon7495]

⁠@@MrRedx55yk you’re in a comment section right 😂

[@swaywill99]

Zabu expansion!?!? You don’t even belong in this convo you gave up the game before it got really bad you weren’t there to even experience what everyone else has 😭😭😭

[@Eric-bz6wm]

I agree. The conquest tickets in the collection track are crap.

[@SF_Zoom]

Dont forget the amazing 500% value bundles in the shop with GOLD tickets! +200 extra boosters. The best deal they have EVER done.. smh

[@benxuxova]

100 tokens in the collection track is a slap to the face.

[@SaverGC3]

Yes! And why don't they give gold for excess crowns and tickets at the end of the season? I don't need more boosters!😠

[@zayngster]

Conquest tickets, avatar icons, titles, it's all so, so bad

[@brendangallagher6496]

I feel like the downfall began for me when they started releasing 2 new cards the first week of the month (season pass and a new spotlight card) prior to that it often felt like I could reasonably keep up on the collection if I bought the pass. After that it seems like they just wanted to increase the grind of the game. With Deadpool’s diner then alliances then leagues all requiring a ton of grinding if you wanted to get the rewards, on top of grinding ladder and grinding conquest. I am still playing but have scaled way back no longer do alliances, don’t play conquest and frequently take time off. We’ll see if I keep going but it is just too much to keep up at this point,

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@brendangallagher6496 I love Conquest, but it's a heavier time requirement, esp in infinite. Diner is fine, but if you're losing and miss out because your card pool sucks then I can't imagine that feels good for newer players(?). And the spotlight system just feels so... why? Let people choose what they want. I would still key to get the skins. You can pretty reliably get 3 keys a week if you're really going at it. 14:31 Or get rid of this mystery slot bullshit. It almost always feels like shit. I skip fenrir for a reason, I rolled for Gorr, I got fenrir out of the mystery. My reaction wasn't, "oh boy, the card I didn't roll a single key for last week." It was, "oh boy, at least it's a series 5 and I didn't get bent over for 1k tokens on a dupe." Which even that isn't great.

[@brendangallagher6496]

@ I don’t mind the spotlight system as much as most because in the end it is not much different than the token system except you sometimes get a discount and you get extra stuff sometimes. I mind the grind to get the resources to max it out and the FOMO of not doing it. I don’t hate conquest but it is more time commitment, same with Deadpool’s diner, and alliances, and Leagues. They are all grind festa for resources and for me it got to be too much so I scaled back to mostly just ladder. I also stopped caring about being collection complete (I got there like month 2 or spotlights because it was easier in early spotlights to gain on the collection then it is now because more cards are released and nothing is series 4.). I just look for fun cards that interest me and play with those. This season it was Malekith. I had fun with him. I am enjoying Etri as well but I stopped climbing diner once I got him because I did not like the grind.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@brendangallagher6496 I had a good amount of fun with the Venom season. AntiVenom ended up being a personal favorite with Frigga and Luke Cage. But yeah, the grind just feels miserable at times.

[@Synical02]

​@@TheAverageGatsbyI played the diner on a new account they will match you with new players. Also why the slot machine? Money. They need to make money. The majority of snap is free, and you level up quite fast so they have to Halt your pace or else you're just gonna get everything for relatively free, and be BORED. They can't release less cards or there's less to do They can't release more cards or there's too much bloat so they have to just slow down the progression. Its kinda how actual card collecting works, but tbh if they made dupes 3k I think people would be less upset.

[@ViperlashMR]

The manner that you presented all the relevant facts and little things here and there that has added up over the last 2 years with this game…. Was just beautiful. Bravo. You should be proud of this video

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@MRViperlash7 I really appreciate it, and I hope it helps people put into words exactly what the last 2 years of SNAP was to them.

[@AshBlossomWorshiper]

The last part is honestly the biggest issue of all. As a ftp player, hell even as a dolphin, if you are not logging in every 8 hours you're falling behind. So if you take a break, you are NOT catching up.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@AshBlossomWorshiper it's ultimately the main reason why I stopped playing. Even if you are on that daily though, your key could still miss and you're potentially out several months worth of collecting tokens

[@TheArctus]

Great video, and you get bonus points for the MvC music hiding in the video. That spiderman theme is so good. I hope they finally just give us the option to pick what we want with keys. Series drops do almost nothing when it's 5 to 4, we don't get tokens at a relevant rate like we do keys

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@TheArctus Man, if we got to pick what we wanted, this video probably wouldn't have been made. Hell, even just removing the "mystery slot" would have been alright with me. Also, my man, always loving the MVC soundtracks

[@LeekyXIV]

I didn’t intentionally stop playing the game. It just got less fun over time. Ans less rewarding

[@louisfriend9323]

As an f2p player, I've been monitoring my acquisition since launch. Honestly the spotlight system was great, and at the start of this year I was missing only 7 cards. I even bought a thank you one-time season pass in Hope Summers. Little did I realize the thumbscrews were being turned. The extra card each season, almost all cards releasing as series 5, season pass cards never returning as spotlights, the stingy series drops that contain bad cards, etc. Now I'm still sitting on 66k+ tokens like a dragon, but while in other card games I can freely spend my free resources to get a meta deck every 4 months or so (10k dust for Hearthstone, 800 pack points for Pokemon Pocket), I can't do that with Snap: If I spend 24k tokens, I'm not going to regain those 24k tokens in the next 4 months. That will take me the next 2 years! Besides this I think new and returning players have it harder than me.

[@lol_vevo]

>be card game players >"These card games are too P2W and a money sink!" >Games fail for being too greedy >Be Riot >Make the most generous card game ever >It's TOO generous, it doesn't break even and it dies >"Well, it failed because we want the adrenaline of pulling rare cards from packs, we don't want you to just give us the cards to play, they should have added more gacha mechanics!" Honestly, we deserve to suffer.

[@Osmium2626]

LoR had the same issue, you got 2000 green....whatever that currency was per week and you needed 750 per day to unlock that competitive track or whatever it was, that was the beginning of the end. Also not nerfing some decks for months while nerfing others instantly. Why do we need to play for months against Ahri/Kennen and Lurk while Iceborn Spiders gets nerfed instantly, makes no sense. Same thing happens in snap there is absolutely no reason to nerf a card exactly 1 week after it's in a spotlight, happened too many times. As long as games don't learn to nerf/buff way more often it will keep happening.

[@Watdee]

Just goes to show that the Skinner box rats playing for "rewards" vastly outnumber the people who play for the enjoyment of the game itself. Psychological warfare has so overtaken the gaming industry that most players literally do not know what fun is anymore.

[@CJ-wh7ik]

Do not consume f2p mobile products as they are nothing more than gambling.

[@doctor-goggles]

"with the *occasional* 4-key spotlight" Mannn. I started March 2024 missing only 3 cards in the game with a few Spotlight keys to spare. Over the next 6 months, I was 8-for-8 when it comes to spotlight cards costing 4 keys, which put me up to I think like 16 cards missing? War Machine, USAgent, Red Guardian, Valentina, Sage, Thena, Ajax, Silver Sable-- all 4 keys. I was already starting to see the cracks in the card acquisition model, but the 8th one broke me and I had to uninstall. So far, for good!

[@LilBoTeeth]

As a guy missing over 20 cards and also owning 4 ultimate variants. It has nothing to do with being a whale. I play my 3 main decks and like to drip them out.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@LilBoTeeth honestly respect. I always love seeing players that have full ink'd out variants.

[@kaseywahl]

I have learned a lot from Ben brode as a game developer, but I can't play 95% of mobile games including Snap in good conscience. The mobile gaming market is predatory. I'm devoting my energy to making ethically-priced mobile games these days so that people can enjoy complete games at an accessible price point that bring them joy rather than give them a sinking feeling in the chest whenever another bundle is shoved in their faces.

[@alexisbl3634]

What the hell is that street footage of Korea? There is no sidewalk, no street light, no stop signs, and yet everything flows smoothly and no one seems stressed!!! Unreal

[@licaSeven]

The amount of times i wanted to throw my phone when a spotlight cache gave me 1000 tokens even though i still had cards to win jeez

[@antoniocole613]

Saying you can’t spend money to get cards, when they’re having these “just for you” bundles where they offer you cards that you don’t have for money

[@Watdee]

Also Brode talking about boosters being needed to increase CL but not a single word about credits, which are the true limiting factor. That's beyond shady.

[@King_Cosmic865]

As a pocket player I’m assuming he has no idea how that works either . The best pocket decks are not flip decks and never will be

[@Rykurr]

Korean background with the GS25 convenience store is very nostalgic. Good video.

[@pirotehs]

I am daily (mission) player from almost a start. I have bought 2 season passes during my play (once per year as a thank You to developers), because it feels like 10$ per year game to me. I almost never spend gold or tokens in a game (I bought Galactus and Thanos for tokens in a time, when it was/intended to be the only way to acquire them). I don't have a fomo for latest cards. I have unopened 630 collectors reserves because they don't give stuff I want. All my strategy is to get missing cards, no matter what they are. The cards I own already makes me competitive enough. When 7:12 happened I was missing 20 cards in my collection. Right now I am missing 30 cards and I have 3 keys waiting for next spotlight cashes with at least 2 missing cards (50/50 chance). If I spend my gold and tokens, I would easily go under missing 20 cards. IMHO spotlight cashes system works for a ftp player like me. And I play game that are much worse... Disney Speedstorm.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@pirotehs I mean if we want to talk games that are much worse, I have several Duel Links videos on the channel from previous years.

[@Minion5051]

Don't forget that buying a variant with real money also unlocks the card. So those $100 bundles were getting you cards you didn't have to grind for.

[@Watdee]

It's almost like you can give them money, and they will give you better cards!

[@Tairashimuzu]

I stopped playing 9 months ago at the end of the Shaw Season. Spotlights felt too min maxy to be fun. There's no agency in anything you collect, and the balance at the time was bad for me. I think the final straw was nerfing Dracula as Annihilus was still prominent. Started back playing recently because Gorr was good in Negative and I like that kinda highroll all or nothing sort of deck. But I play like 1 or two games a day and move on because other cards I need to make decks I wanna play are still 6000 tokens and I don't have enough and they aren't appearing in my shop and they aren't in the spotlight and I'm not gonna log in every 8 hours to check and not being able to draw ANY series 4 or 5 cards in the now useless reserve system is what really hurts especially after lowering token gain from them AND removing gold from them in an attempt to get you to spend. It's a general feels bad. The recent series drop is crazy to me because I was 2 cards off from collection complete when I stopped playing as a dolphin player, and out of the 9 months I was away I missed maybe 40-45 cards and somehow I'm still series 3 complete. Some cards that have been out for years like Iron Lad should have been dropped to at least Series 3. Jeff too. It's just their way to make you grind for cards that are absolutely more powerful/universal or waste all your resources on them. I don't even know why every cards starts at series 5. Is it to mask the perceived strength of the card? You can't be sure to skip it if the card turns out to be strong, but starting at series 4 might make people think it's okay to pass it up. Idk they fumbled hard

[@N00BSYBORG]

I took a break after the Zabu meta because I was feeling burnt out only to come back and realize I was now forever going to be lagging behind. The rate at which they add series 5 cards to the game while slowly dropping cards to lower series makes card collecting a slog. They seem to intentionally be keeping better cards in series 5 too. Some cards dropped a series after a few months but others haven't dropped in like a year. Sometimes more. Also, MvC music in the background. Very based.

[@Categoryonegames]

I recently stopped playing after having played since nearly the start. I found that I was missing two cards that I hadn't had a chance to pick up in all the top decks. With no way of accessing them and seeing the deck often, I had no way of playing it or getting in front of it. I just moved on, and haven't looked back. It's too bad they never fixed their card acquisition issue. The fact that you only got 1K of tokens for a key that you already had was crap.

[@travismorden8327]

The one that recently killed me. I own every Thanos card that has come out. I save all my tokens and gold to buy anything Thanos that comes out. When they released the Thanksgiving Thanos card for $70 Canadian. I said nope, and accepted the fact that I won't own all the Thanos cards now.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@travismorden8327 I loved collecting all the midnight sun tarot cards, but it sucks knowing I'll never own the Magick or Ironman ones because I didn't want to spend 15 bucks and didn't grind enough conquest.

[@TheAgathosdaimon]

The issue why I stopped playing is that after opening 100 caches I still got not enough tokens to buy the meta relative card I needed to stay competitive. This game needs some sort of crafting system like master duel, Gwent and yes, pokemon tcg pocket.

[@dennisprivett5707]

I had to stop playing about 2 months ago. There was a new car drop every week, drastically changing the meta every 30 minutes. I wasn't getting free cards monthly, I wasn't unlocking new cards more than once a week or less. I was getting a hundred tokens a week. None of the rewards on anything seemed worth it when all I needed were cards. And all the new cards were making so many other cards obsolete or just breaking them. And finally in most importantly the RNG is Savage, between card drops or game scenarios

[@DrMuffins321]

The main issue I had with the game was lack of credits. Only available in daily missions. Once you complete them there’s no point in playing anymore for that day as you can’t advance without credits. I enjoyed the game but I like to grind and feel like I’m progressing to something. It’s why as expensive as it is I keep up with hearthstone as every game progresses the the rewards track

[@giromide]

You didn't even touch on them adding a new card each month starting around June 2024. Prior to this, the Season Pass earned you the first new card and you could coast the first week and stock up for the second new card. Now, every season starts with two new cards, for a total of five. Recent seasons are adding a sixth new card via the High Voltage or Deadpool's Diner. So, players now get to scramble to acquire six new Series 5 cards each month. Two of the new cards this Rivals season indicate that they'll not run out of material to generate new cards. Bruce Banner and Groot+Rocket seem almost like a threat, "We'll always have fresh ways to push new cards." Get ready for Peter Parker and Wanda+Vision.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I'm waiting for the pokemon "TAG TEAM EX" cards that take up two slots instead of one haha. They were never going to run out of characters, we will end up seeing alt universes/etc before that happens.

[@giromide]

@ oh yeah there are still hundreds more they could use beyond just going to combos and alter egos of existing cards

[@kucinghoren7864]

The main reason is burn out, you forced play everyday for a week just to get 1000 tokens or bad variants. And honestly, most 2024 cards are bad. Edit: i am back! Honestly, when i say bad. Most cards are forgotten or nobody plays it anymore especially most (2024) season pass cards which is i disappointed. I rarely (never) see black swan, zemo, blink, gilgamesh for past month. But card like red hulk, red guardian, scream, scorn, arishem become mainstream and should be season pass instead. Here some my tierlist Note: I don't have all of them, i evaluate by my opponent play it, how easy to beat it or other factors like predictable and forgetable. I made this list early december, i might change the list because of OTA or new cards. Skaar: good Caeira: good Hercules: bad Miek: bad Grandmaster: mid Beta Ray Bill: Bad Black Swan: worse Supergiant: bad Cull Obsidian: mid Corvus Glaive: good Proxima Midnight: mid Hope Summers: good Pixie: bad Mockingbird: good Cannonball: good War Machine: good Baron Zemo: worse Red Hulk: good Us Agent: bad Red Guardian: good White Widow: mid Valentina: mid Blink: mid Nocturne: mid Sage: mid Namora: mid Sasquatch: bad Gilgamesh: mid Thena: good Sersi: mid Makkari: worse Phastos: mid Arishem: game changer Gwenpool: good Bob: bad Ajax: mid Cassandra Nova: mid Copycat: bad Kate Bishop: mid Marvel Boy: mid Wiccan: mid Speed: bad Hulkling: worse Symbiote Spider-Man: mid Silver Sable: mid Madame Webb: mid Arana: mid Scarlet Spider: bad Agent Venom: mid Scream: good Toxin: mid Scorn: good Misery: mid Anti-Venom: bad Agony: mid Surtur: good Fenris Wolf: bad Frigga: mid Malekith: worse King Eitri: mid Gorr: mid Galacta: mid Luna Snow: mid Peni Parker: possible mid? Doom 2099: possible good? Rocket and Groot: possible mid? Good: 15 Very mainstream and sometime unbeatable and unpredictable. Mid: 28 Sometimes they good but mostly don't Bad: 13 Worse: 5 No need to explain

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@kucinghoren7864 I gotta disagree, there are a lot of really good cards, especially for things like discard, build arounds like Arishim, and meta crashers like Red Hulk. Just make sure your key doesn't miss otherwise I'll see you in the token shop -6,000 😉 Edit:the burnout thing though, yeah that's probably accurate.

[@user-_-404]

I'm a new player, but I'm think I am slowly getting this feeling

[@LunarisRuin]

This month and next month pretty much all the cards are good. Or, at least, look good. Particularly next month. S.H.I.E.L.D decks gonna go crazy.

[@Synical02]

all of the cards this year have been good/ niche just stop chatting. You have to play 1-3hours at worst depending on your schedule. You can miss two days, and still get the full rewards. It just sounds like you've gotten all you can out the game.

[@defoxl]

Game taik ini emg bang. Bajingan pelit sumpah.

[@herald9]

This is wild. Exactly a year ago I was neck deep into Snap. What ruined it for me was the ridiculously expensive variant bundles. Over $100 CAD for one card variant? Come on...

[@storyspice974]

Marvel Snap is pay to win.

[@petarpredrag9987]

marvel snap is pay to keep paying

[@andrewmartniez402]

I spend so much money on marvel snap but I still felt like a nightmare to keep up. Maintaining infinite and having all the cards is annoying, a lot of the initial bundles were awful

[@Collectomania8]

Snap is the best online tcg gameplay wise, hands down. But the best decision i made for myself was leaving it for Pokemon Pocket. I can’t support SD and their crap any longer.

[@xiKeepItRealx]

The absurd prices is what did it for me. I realized i can win without new cards its easy. I now only buy the season pass like on the 3rd week of the month unless i see that the season pass card is really good then i buy first week otherwise i just go without season pass card

[@NomadH02]

I started playing marvel snap back in may, i played it for 2 weeks then got bored, that says it all i think.

[@MrSurguy-fb2hy]

I tapped out of Pokémon Go earlier this year after playing it since a year on from its inception. Started on Snap about 6 weeks ago after seeing a KZbin ad. I’m having a great time with it so far, its very addictive, although I don’t think I will ever ‘complete’ my collection. I’m not trying to though. The mix of cards i get from the new and old releases provides fun, playable decks, and the addition of Valentina to my decks keeps me topped up with some of the interesting newer 6 cost cards that I don’t have yet. A good casual game, I’ll try not to get obsessed with like i did with PoGo.

[@tonysosa2862]

I quit about 6 months ago, it will be hard at first, the fomo remains for a while, but evetually when time passes and you see that they are never going to fix things and they only care about whales, you feel really good about your desition 😅

[@NickferZev]

8:25 I can tell you what my own response was at the time. I hated it. I still do. Bc of those trash tickets I have 300+ reserves left unopened since I don’t want to get any of those tickets until I need them (which is almost never bc I only try to grind Conquest Mode after I reach Infinity in Ranked Mode)

[@Zora_Fox]

This Video is very accurate and doesnt overly dramatize everything. The amount of times i heard people say SD needs to do something fast because of the Pokemon Pocket is insane, of couse Pokemon is successful no cap. But Marvel Snap suffers mostly form Problems it has created itself, the release of pocked was just one of the tipping points that got the community to speak out for once more. I dont think the team behind marvel snap worrys that much about pocket and they honestly should not. (Btw, we also need to see for how long Pokemon Pocked will even be popular, I saw Pokemon fumble this bag several times now. Although this is likely there best shot yet, i didnt even want to engage with the PTC games anymore because of that.) I really hope SD is really working on some new systems that help especially new and returing players to get faster into the core Collection of Marvel Snap. Players that already play for at least 6-8 months are getting a good experience for the most part in my Opinion, the major issue the game has is with new player and the gigantic hill that Series 3 has become. Picking one specific Series 3 card for free is not just not enough anymore if anyone wants to build a specifc deck. And if you just come back from a pause of the game, there is a good chance you cant pick up a new card for 3 weeks because you need to stack up on keys first and even then you must hope one of the Spotlights is good for your collection.

[@vivalabello]

The game is a grind purge. Best gameplay since so many years for video game TCG but damn I don't want to play 2h a day everyday to just keep up with the game.

[@Bloody0range]

I have played Marvel Snap almost every day for 2 years and I got to say the game is a lot of fun until the point when you unlock all of the series 3 cards. After that, its just a bunch of grinding with a lot of fear of missing out and sunk cost fallacy hooks keeping you going. Like the game by itself is still fun, but everything around it is just terrible. And once you stop playing for a few weeks you fully realize that and very few people go back.

[@Evenheroescandie]

i've just left at the week 1 of the Satyr sesson pass (I even brought it). I took a brief hiatus during phoenix season as the update stopped working on my phone. Came back early this year. Became a grind and not packing cards. It was fun but i sunk waaaay to much money into this game for me to still be missing 'Staple' cards.

[@soupcastle8210]

I know what you mean. The game is great but it is very hard to keep on top of all the new cards even with daily play and purchasing the monthly pass.

[@patrickh5490]

I was obsessed with this game for over a year. It’s fun and challenging. Sadly I got to the point where it became an addiction and rather than being fun it began to feel like work.

[@AeternusNox.]

I remember gaming at 30! I spent most of my night playing Ghostbusters Spirits Unleashed last night. ❤

[@ergysabna2617]

Why series 5 have 6000 price, it takes a year for that one card

[@Godsigma7]

Lets add that at a certain point the Featured Mystery Variant will start awarding Avatars instead of Card Variants, and at the same time they will also change it so that Spotlight Keys will do the same. You heard me correctly iI am a 34700 Level. I am missing a TON of variants yet they now feel a need to award me Avatars with Spotlight Keys.

[@bagelbomber4834]

I just wish I had literally any agency in what card I got. Ive been gunning for Galactus and Knull for months but theres just no way im ever going to get them unless I grind 6k tokens and happen to be on when its in the shop to lock it. On top of going into the shop and having to scroll past multiple offers that are just a varient + some boosters for anywhere from $20 to $100. Its ridiculous.

[@azizulfikri8392]

I Started kinda late Sebastian Shaw season but managed to get to series complete missing 1 card (US Agent), even that it took a lot of "Investments" to just be able to reach that stage and while I don't dropping money in the game but it started to feel ridiculous the amount needed to just keep up. I'll probably still play the game since I do see it as a short yet challenging game to keep me entertained but I'll probably would cut down on the spending and just limit it to the season pass for now until things gets better

[@Semnome-gv5yg]

great video overall but 12:29 is the only point i 100% disagree in the video, in marvel snap the "its just cosmetics" is a huge lie, skin bundles show up even if you DONT own a card, and the same way i bought black swan bp and got Death variant from it and was able to use without ever owning the base one(still dont) i already got offered both Thanos, Galactus and a lot of tier 5 cards variants for absurd prices and literally nothing is stopping me from buying those variants and get said card without even getting a single collection level before, not to mention they also offer base cards now. i have a psychlock and other tier 4 card i forgot bundles with the base card on it

[@TheAverageGatsby]

I stand by what I said, but you do have a good point. The fact that you can actually "just come to a game and drop hundreds of dollars to get" a few cards in the game. Buying Variants in shop does unlock the card, something I didn't realize early on until I purchased the Peach Momoko Mystique, prior to unlocking Mystique, only later to unlock the base Mystique. Definitely something I should have mentioned in the Monetization portion of the vid.

[@LordShadowZ]

Greed, incompetence, and taking many months to respond to literally anything if they even bother to respond at all, all to the detriment of the player experience. I played Marvel Snap for 7 months and I watched in real time how little the developers cared about making the game better as they added more and more to nickel and dime people and little to actually improve the game experience. I finally broke free in mid-2024 and I will never ever return to Marvel Snap because it is obvious they care about money far more than they care about making a game that is fun to play, with reasonable card acquisition time.

[@junesahead]

Good video! I started last year but eventually bailed because there was no way for me to catch up once getting cards slowed to a crawl.

[@Chapterhouse86]

Fun game. I would go as far as to say the gameplay is genius in it's simplicity. Like most good ideas in the video game space, it's ruined by greed. The monetization is Snap is a joke. It feels like a gacha game, only worse. At least in a gacha you can spend to get the thing you want. Snap makes you farm for months AND still get good rng with the gacha mechanic.

[@TheNotableNobody]

I have such an anti-grind mindset that the success of most mobile games confuses me. The entire monetization system for all these games seem doomed to petter out at some point.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@TheNotableNobody I really hope I didn't bury the lede too much on this one. The system worked when Second Dinner was following through on monetization being mostly cosmetic. It failed when they gave players a chance to get screwed by the token/spotlight key systems that made it very possible/likely to just miss cards for f2p players. Paired with an unwillingness to provide regular Series drops, it lost a lot of love from players.

[@UnrealCheetah]

I played on launch, and the game is fun, but once they started adding pool 4 and 5 and didn’t move any of them down it became impossible to keep up. The collection system worked when the highest pool was 3, after that it became impossible to keep up at all and there’s no point

[@andyc4993]

New Players view: I started about 1 month + to play marvel snap and it was a lot of fun (coming from HS) now that i rank up higher Plat+ it feels like i cant get any further its against people who own a lot of strong cards that i just cant own. I am talking about series 3 cards here! The Progress by play is so bad that its not worth my time climbing a little bit in the Season Pass to get 10 Boosters of something and 3 lvls and 2hrs after that 100 Credits so u can climb only 2 lvl further your "Unlock path" to get everything else then a card. It would be great to have a locked Credits per game reward system where u can choose your own pace of unlocking cards and stuff, or at least to choose the stuff thats in the chest. I bought the agent venom battle pass because of venom and carnage to build an destroy deck otherwise i wouldnt have any "stronger" working deck. Thats somehow sad tbh.

[@wondercoolguy]

An entirely new video you should do is show how location and deck based match making are a thing. SD manipulates the meta to protect the season pass card and the spotlight cards. Play like 20 games per card type, document each of your opponents and locations, then change and do the same. You will see you'll get a different set of locations and a different type of opponent. SD job is to make money, so they have to make the community feel a card will change their luck. Look at the history of Luke Cage and what they did to him for like 3 months to protect season release cards.

[@standlethemandle]

spoiler alert, being able to pay to "speed up" your collection of boosters is, in fact, paying to get all the cards in the game. don't know why that's so difficult for some people to accept...

[@estebancampos388]

Exactly

[@pheckeht]

Boosters do not give you new cards or more cards it allows you to unlock cosmetics for the cards you have. Do your research, you look dumb.

[@CristhianTR]

Hey, to open a cache with a chance to get the new weekly card - you need credits. They have reduced the number of credits that you can earn - leading you to get the overpriced bundles or use 6000 tokens. You said it was just cosmetic, well it is not.

[@Earth1Stelz]

This is probably my last season pass purchase. I even debated about deleting the app altogether.. with the things that you show in the video I’m only double frustrated by the amount of crashing the game has now and it’s even locking up in the middle of matches.

[@BernieTime1]

I quit IIRC about May this year mostly due to the issues around card aquisition. Opening Caches and getting a Gold key rather than Tokens felt more like an insult. Using Keys and never getting the new card on the first or second pulls feels really bad and scammy. I went back to play last month, all the stuff that bugged me then are still there. Oh, and OTA adjustments always feels like they don't take time to playtest anything they release so they just fix things after the fact. How many times has Zabu been hit with an OTA? Having played physical CCG's in the past their card releases and subsequent fixes always makes me feel like we're playing a game that never left beta testing.

[@jacobkozik5521]

Got tired after facing too many bots. After the season reset you just get put up against bots and you would think thats not a bad thing but no most of the time they were either set up to make you lose (armor and anti reveal decks when using destroy decks) or they would retreat when you are about to win and you only get 2 cubes.

[@VulcanP90]

I stopped playing because I was only getting 2 cubes a match. Every opponent would auto-retreat every time I snapped. You can't even grind if you only get 2 cubes a game. It would take forever to get anything.

[@Monechetti]

I stopped right after Deadpool's diner and I've thought about coming back but I also recognize that I've lost out on months and months of currency and that just feels bad, and games shouldn't make you feel bad

[@complexquattro]

This game was great but greed ruined it when they kept releasing new cards and the way to gained them did not change in a way to favor all types of players only the whales 🐋 High voltage was a fresh take but that got taken away and kept the same old stale game

[@Synical02]

This game fundamentally cannot be a pay to win game cause you cannot directly buy all the cards, and even so all of the Good cards are typically in series 3 which majority of the community can freely get to in 3ish weeks. Also Just cause you have GORE doesn't mean it's an instant win. Even with a BRAIN DEAD card like red hulk he wasn't a guaranteed win.

[@mblythe21]

I played a solid 5 months. Got all the cards for whatever level it was and promptly quit. I really liked splitting the cards and alternate art cards... all that stuff was great. Playing a game where there were three locations and you couldnt deploy to any of them was idiotic.

[@connorpena373]

14:55 THIS, if second dinner stopped acting like it was a “better monetized card game” while being the worst monetized card game on the App Store. Is annoying. On top of that it feels like a chore to play for my credits instead of playing for fun and getting credits as a bonus.

[@Agent_Biyan]

Which Ecruteak City remix did you use at the start?

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@@Agent_Biyan that was the Entei research event theme used in Pokemon Sleep.

[@Agent_Biyan]

@TheAverageGatsby thanks a bunch

[@sowat06]

Seeing only s5 cards was making things hard for f2p but doing the math, $20 for gold to buy tokens on Tuesday, make a s5 card $120, so the worst s5 hydra bob is 120 how?

[@w0olfie]

I’m not a gambler and have always been bad at it. I love to just make decks, try out new things, and don’t prefer to play the same deck over and over and over but this game doesn’t allow for that unless you play the meta over and over and over again. And if you don’t play, for points and gamble well, then you don’t move up.😓

[@jazzman1313]

The funny thing is ive been playing for so long i still dont have Galactus or thanos and ive been playing since day 1

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@@jazzman1313 L O A D 🚧 B E A R I N G 👷‍♂️ S E R I E S 🦺 F I V E 🏗

[@vernonharley]

I can't even login to the game anymore. I just keep getting the "awe snap" error.

[@number3729]

Marvel snap is not all that bad. Y'all should see Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes, it's horrible in the way if p2win

[@Jaguar2kicks]

It’s full of garbage for rewards…. $80 for a non-variant card and 10k credits? That has garbage loot, like dumb ass titles and gold tickets that I never use. No thanks. Rip off AF

[@BobbySedani2024]

i started the day it came out till sept 22k lv later I left an will never go back.

[@N3M3515Z3R0]

Arishem was the nail in the coffin. Pay to win by playing a different game than people who couldn't afford the card.

[@martrog3429]

Artifact being a lot better game was shamed by monetisation and a lot better game that noone played and gamers being toxic, here gamers are paying a lot more and still playing this game that is a basicly very simple Artifact clone + way more predatory monetization. Justice is served. Hillarious.

[@SaulGoodman2049]

Yeah I took a decent break and tried to come back and had a little fun but there were so many cards I wanted or needed that would take me months to get so I gave up.

[@Grif_17]

I just can’t get new cards anymore. What happened to the chance to get a series 4 or 5 from each cache? Did they flat out remove it?

[@maniacalmayh3m]

A very very long time ago. That happened with the introduction of weekly spotlights

[@HienLeGia]

Playing this or one purchase of Balatro? - you know what, Jimbo is technically a Marvel character

[@TheAverageGatsby]

10 dollars for a GOTY nominee, or 1/10th of the way to a singular bundle that includes a spotlight key on Marvel Snap.

[@justgotleid]

Great fuckin vid man Been a day 1 snap player but alas I fear it is also time for me to put it down 😪

[@Croissant-bk6dt]

Is it worth to come back playing now? I feel like im so far behind that i wont be able to catch up with newer meta cards and old stuff isnt so usefull anymore.

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@Croissant-bk6dt I think the only way it's possible for a new f2p player to catch up and play is to have a deck in mind and stick with it. Only shoot for 1 style (discard/destroy/disrupt/etc) of deck. Even still, there's just a chance you miss keys. Second Dinner really fell short of expectations for me with the lack of regular series drops.

[@kucinghoren7864]

It depend, i quit 3 times and still comeback playing. First, make sure you already finish series 3. If you don't. It's hell. Need around 3-6 months playing everyday to finish it. Second, you don't need new cards, all you need master of your deck. I got around 15 new 2024 cards (no season pass) and only 1 card i played the most, it's Arishem because i play him when i am bored. But for climb up, i stick with Living Tribunal deck with bunch of series 1,2,3 (Iron Man, Onslaught, Magik,etc). So what i want to say, you don't need new cards as long as you master one deck. Third, always check datamines, they leak new cards for next 1-2 months. This where i excited to comeback because "this card looks good for living tribunal, i am gonna save my key for next 2 months".

[@leeartlee915]

I have never been tricked/hooked by a F2P model for any game, ever. I even played Hearthstone since beta without spending one penny on it. Built up a significant collection too. But with Marvel Snap, I caved. I started by buying the 10 dollar season pass…. and before I knew it, I had spent almost $300 in a few months. And the reason? You basically HAVE to spend money to get a deck worth playing. Ben Brod is full of crap. You absolutely can turbo your way through the collecting process. You just have to spend a LOT of money.

[@merdufer]

I quit during Zabu and Silver Surfer seasons because I saw all of this coming a long way off.

[@SinfulGFX]

The 2 main issues that killed the game for me was that unlocking cards in the game was brutal. I played the game for close to a year and didn't have hardly any suitable cards unlocked to make useful decks to push up the ranks. The second issue I have with this game is that they change what cards do over time. This isn't necessarily bad on paper and it also keeps the cards feeling fresh but It just feels so bad to build a deck around the function of a card and them to come in and completely change how that card works and in a lot of cases completely destroy how it works. Sometimes it's just minor adjustments which is fine but when you completely change the whole dynamic of the card and you don't have enough cards to adapt to that change then it just feels really bad.

[@jamiebowler4693]

I have no idea why they got rid of the token shop, it was honestly a solid progression system. I played pretty casually and was able to collect 3 of the most expensive cards at the time, (thanos, galactus and kang) who were all meta defining. Progression is a slog now and the rng aspect of spotlight caches are cringe af. If you stop playing for a bit like myself you are so out of sync and are like 10 metas behind.

[@geneshiftauto]

Good video, thanks! Though I do have one question about your decision to not come back at the end of the video. I don't play much Marvel Snap so maybe I am misunderstanding, but why is it necessary to "catch up"? I get that their monetization model means that in order to catch up you'd need a bunch of keys that you'll miss out on if you take a break. But why is it even necessary to catch up in the first place? Assuming you already have a good competitive deck of 12 cards, isn't that going to remain a viable option, even if you come back in 6 months? Does the game have some sort of in-built system that makes old cards less viable over time, or prohibits you from using old cards? Or is it simply a psychological desire to be "collection complete". I'm genuinely curious as I've seen many people make this criticism and I believe it, but as a new player I just don't understand what I'm missing here. Because as a newbie I also don't have all the cards, and have even more catching up to do than you do, but I am having a great time unlocking new cards. Thanks for the video and any insights you can share!

[@TheAverageGatsby]

@geneshiftauto You are correct, I could probably focus on one deck and eventually get caught up. Let's take discard as an example. This year Corvus Glaive, Proxima Midnight, and Scorn were added. Great cards for the strategy with Scorn being must. More importantly all 3 are Series 5 cards that would cost 18k tokens total. I didn't do a good enough job explaining how incredibly scarce tokens are. Even if you're playing a lot, the best ways to get them is by purchasing 10 items from the shop using Gold, token Tuesday gold bundles, or buying harshly priced card bundles. So I could play an incomplete list, that potentially influenced balance changes, to catch up after several months of grinding, all while the meta is still changing, and potentially other best in slot cards are being added to the strategy I picked, or I could just not play Snap.

[@dreadwitchqueen]

The meta is extremely volatile in this game (which at least keeps it fresh). A deck that was viable even a month in the past will not necessarily continue to be viable, as when more and more powerful cards get added to the game that boost certain archetypes more and more, an older deck can really easily be left in the dust.

[@WolverSnap]

I remember this game. I used to play and did content for awhile. 2nd dinner is better than most but the monetization and time required for this stuff pulled me away from too much RL importance.

[@justinevans2118]

Marvel snap is also a coin flip game. Gambit, Hela, Corvus Glave, Lady Sif, Malekith, etc…

[@xageofmythxthelegend4504]

It’s a shame that this was such a good game on release and now it’s just like all the others

[@blastwave2k]

sorry. i had absolutely ZERO faith that any "modern" company would be willing to make a card game that isn't pay to win, so i never bothered picking it up to begin with. sad to see i was not wrong. pay for "cosmetic only" isn't "enough" to keep these "game companies" happy, they always want more. maximize the money extraction! average revenue per User! eventually you will be pressured to pay for the things people actually want to do, and are willing to pay for. which will almost always come down to getting the cards you need to win.

[@Kromatt]

Haven't played since January 2024 , best decision i've made, as nothing has changed, and the card acquisition with Spotlight Caches still sucks.

[@kunalrane7101]

I was a regular Marvel Snap player for almost 18 months. But over time the game felt tiring & repetitive. Every 3rd game would be destroy deck. Thanos deck became too common. It felt like you play 5 games & the cycle of game type repeated again from 6th game. Devs took lot of efforts to nerf & buff cards to make people use more varieties, but seems like it didn’t do much. What my solution would had been was to add a huge amount of series 3 cards each month. Powers could look redundant, but it wouldmake card collection interesting. For example, many characters already introduced in MCU were definitely not coming back. They could have just added them despite the theme or promotion they are running along with MCU’s release. Characters like Obidiah Stane, Howard Stark, Whiplash, Frost Giants, Darcy Lewis, Erik Selvig, Dormammu, and many other other pre-Thanos characters.

[@Missioneer]

Meanwhile in present Marvel Snap days we are getting cards with 104 dollar price tags on them because the game knows we don't have them... 1 card, 104 Cad dollars... What? Sure it comes with 10,000 credits, but whaaaat?

[@uncleiroh6127]

It’s crazy how people will quit a mobile game because they added some micro transactions when people will gladly drop 20$ on call of duty to have shiny bullet trails.

[@myplatinumlife]

The game began running terribly on my iPhone XR so I gave it up

[@josephbingham6533]

I disagree, when Arishem came out he had A 75% play rate which means at least there were 75% of players who immediately got him, and as someone who has played games where you gain all the cards, trust me it is not worth it. It is far more boring and unplayable when you have all the cards then when you have most of them, that is the truth you all have most of them if you played the game since launch. I am ready to disagree and be wrong but in my opinion I believe that yes it could be better with them always releasing series 5s and only nerfing characters when they are after the season pass but it is far more enjoyable than all other greedy mobile games combined, and I think that is what makes you all mad, you love the game but hate how they incentivise the game making you do the brunt of the work

[@tazatom]

I stopped playing bc it felt like a job and not a game.

[@CAOVCorp2]

after madame web released ijust had to leave. spent my tokens since she was kind of a creative meta at the time and then with arcana released the next week ik with crap RNG i wasnt gonna pull. Game started to feel like a grind especially with deadpool diner etc

[@tayl0165]

I was addicted and spending real word money. I was spending for ascetic aka cool art(peach monoko is my favorite). I spent 5000 gold for a card and it just didn’t hit the same. It was enough to overcome the “sunken cost theory. ” So I quit. It was fun while it lasted.