What Would Happen if Shaq and Jokic Switched Eras?

Nikola Jokic Would Be THE GOAT If He Played in Shaq's Era according to Gilbert Arenas as he reacts to the Jokers NBA Playoffs triple double record and debates with the Gil's Arena crew about who would be the better player if they swapped eras.
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[@keepit9762]

Shaq dominates in any era I think we forget on how massive and athletic this man was in his prime

[@cedrickwhite1511]

I agree. His only challenge would be staying out of foul trouble.

[@afrodemon8629]

​@@cedrickwhite1511 The rest of the league would have to worry about staying out of foul trouble if he played today. He'd probably shoot 50 free throws a game.

[@cedrickwhite1511]

@@afrodemon8629 I don’t know about in this era. Guys like Draymond gets into foul trouble, so I can only imagine how much foul trouble Shaq would be in this era. Plus, he’d missed 40 of them damn free throws.

[@afrodemon8629]

@@cedrickwhite1511 I don't know if I agree with the comparison. They're two players that play different positions and have very different styles of play. How do you guard Shaq without fouling him? They couldn't even do it in his era. With the way the game is called now he'd be racking up free throws. He shot over 50% from the line so out 50 he'd get an easy 25 from that.

[@cedrickwhite1511]

@@afrodemon8629 We will just have to disagree. He would get foul a lot but he also will get a bunch of offensive foul. Players actually work on taking charging fouls in this era.

[@KelvinJohn]

“You keep gettin dunked on, trust me, yo heart gone!” 😂😂😂😂

[@MambaM3ntality]

I think people underestimate shaq's passing ability, he might not have racked up assists but was a solid passer

[@jasonbilly5247]

Imagine how many he would have nowadays there isn't any resistance at the rim especially no one from even showing resistance to Jokic and Embiid Shaq played versus defensive players of the year at his position and crushed all of them 😂😂😂

[@Bertone4884]

@@jasonbilly5247 Ben Wallace wants a word with you

[@zay2654]

@@Bertone4884 Shaq still averaged 27 on 63% from the field. It’s not his usual finals numbers but he still had his way 😂

[@stackntax1308]

Exactly for his era 4 assists for a center was a lot especially with the way the game was played playing with dominant ball handlers like a Kobe or Dwade or penny

[@MrAaronchicago]

We haven’t forgotten it’s just the world would rather celebrate Jokic over big ole Shaq

[@charleswilder7167]

Joker is a beast, but Shaq? Don't get it confused, ppl.

[@Sparx151rum]

Jokic a puppy compared to Shaq

[@civilwarwasaninsidejob7405]

Basketball is lucky Shaq enjoyed himself in the offseason. Imagine if he trained year round and came into the season in shape? Dude would approach Wilt Chamberlain numbers, and I fully believe that.

[@sganet_]

Jokic would be better, elite passer, can shoot 3s and FTs. Back in Shaq’s era no 5 and 4s can step out, so that creates a ton of space for Kobe. Jokic would also easily fit in triangle system. Whatever deficient he lose in dominance and power he gains in passing and shooting. I’ll rather take that.

[@Master_Bait]

@@sganet_ you don't put the big man on the perimeter in the triangle 😑 So who draws the attention to the post in your fantasy land? Jokic isn't drawing the attention Shaq does. If you're going by a player in the era you would like to try swapping it would be Dirk and Jokic. High post euro guys.

[@lionface1364]

​@@Master_Bait damn.....great comment. So on point

[@qdarley99]

I love that he brought up Dwight, we made fun of the man for playing in Taiwan but there's only one center in the league who has been effective at slowing down Joker and that's him because he was big enough, strong enough, and athletic enough to not allow Joker to do whatever he wants.

[@sbethune4431]

I have been saying this since the Lakers broke up their championship team. If they don't have Dwight to hold Yoke up then they don't even get to the finals. AD was able to play off and that way he was effective. This series AD had to play Yoke straight up and give the Lakers offense which isn't his biggest strength to begin with. The toll showed in this series. Howard would have helped them way more than AD and 💯 more than any of the Lakers back up centers. It was sad to watch.

[@d-law868]

Forgot one thing, Dwight is stupid enough to go for Jokic all fakes….it’s not all athletics….

[@allowedme]

CommonGround99 If Yaoming was demolishing Dwight then I guess Joker can bang those nails to Dwight coffin.

[@sbethune4431]

@@allowedme Wow people will get on the internet and just say anything lol. Yao was a solid to decent player no need to tear him down to build what I was speaking on. He was not DH and that was fine, the team success the true shooting percentages, rebounding and on and on. But the conversation was not about 2007 but more about 2020 when Yoke was stood up on the one on ones against Howard. It's not could've, should've or would've. It's about what happened. Everyone has there time (in most cases of the best) now it's Yokes time to win or lose it. Even though it's a team game the outcome gets dropped on the star player.

[@tiismuna]

Dwight is a factor. But the real factor in the bubble is because Murray is injured. We can't deny it. Murray and Jokic is a great duo

[@sangun123]

shaq obviously wins but they're really underselling jokic's offensive ability, he just looks clumsy but the footwork is literally impeccable, the way he can carrol loose balls and get put backs is insane. the whole traffic cone on defense is another story compeltely

[@dusk6159]

That phenom is also the ultimate offense and he has every shot nailed. Especially, Jokic always has and always finishes that difficult running shot or the floater

[@randombutspecific]

He's not a traffic cone on defense. Obviously someone like shaq would cook tf out of him, but he's a decent defender with sublime reaction speed (watch some of his blocks and steals)

[@MrAaronchicago]

Ain't nobody underselling Jokic they are actually overselling Jokic due to his lack of athleticism

[@randombutspecific]

@@MrAaronchicago Jokic is athletic. He gets up and down the court faster than most centers in the league (see how he consistently outran Ayton, who is considered athletic)

[@randombutspecific]

@@MrAaronchicago his spin moves and footwork are also very very quick.

[@KamT91]

If Shaq made all his free throws he’d be the all time leading scorer.

[@trestiles1914]

If Shaq took care of his body and extended his prime!!!!!!!!

[@lamontphipps5039]

No he want

[@pandabear1576]

@@trestiles1914 his peak was as long as it was always going to be. People gotta let it go lol

[@LorMRKO]

@@lamontphipps5039 he would but also if he could hit free throws he wouldn’t have nearly as many attempts as he has

[@fxgaming2570]

​@@pandabear1576 You know the Kobe fanboys are only ones who spread that narative

[@andysauro1500]

Jokic in 5 postseasons has averaged 5.4 free throw attempts per game, with his peak at 6.9/game. Shaq averaged 10.7 free throw attempts per game, with his peak at 14.8/per game, and 12 seasons over 10/game. There's nothing more dominant than forcing your opponents to foul out the game, stop the clock, dictate the tempo, etc.

[@tylerdean2142]

When a player is moving that slow, you technically can not foul them you are just being scored on as is.

[@jackbombay1423]

Don´t ever forget to mention the hack a shaq. ;)

[@Trevor_Schindler]

Joker plays just like arvydas sabonis did in his prime. If you don't know about Arvydas y'all need to look him up

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

No he doesn’t 😅

[@SosaA11]

Sabonis wasn’t bringing the ball up like jokic

[@albertc2390]

​@@SosaA11 The Sabonis that you saw was an older and injured version of his former self.

[@kevo973]

Man .. on 2k, 99 --00 TrailBlazer I pick them almost everytime

[@maneiloveyall3672]

Yea mane Sabonis didn't have no handles or court vision. He had game tho and them knees was like Shawn Bradley Bad tho! Joker like a Hakeem with a Rasheed Wallace 3pt game but that Vlade vision

[@romeomonteverde]

If Jokic was in Shaq's era, he'd basically be what Arvidas be if he came to the NBA in his prime. People doesn't seem to know how dominant Arvidas was in Europe and even when he came to the NBA past his prime he's still getting praises from the players he played with and against. He was that góod

[@cesarbarbosa8875]

a smaller prime arvydas

[@kidd32888]

He gave Shaq so much trouble

[@coloneldusty4476]

@@kidd32888say what? No he didn’t

[@kidd32888]

@@coloneldusty4476 Arvidas did at the 2000 WCF

[@coloneldusty4476]

@@kidd32888 No he didn’t. Shaq had like 40 points the first game. That team carried 5 guys who could start at center in most eras. And kept 2-3 on the court at the same time to deal with Shaq. Sabonis, Sheed, Brian Grant, Jermaine O’Neal, Joe P. And when that still didn’t work they had the perimeter players like Pippen, Steve Smith and crew cut rotate back to help out. So Shaq was seeing triple teams the entire series. Sabonis my ass.

[@J_Leo89]

Ive watched Shaq play since his last year in Orlando. He is by far the most DOMINANT PLAYER (I've seen) ever. Literally unstoppable in many games. Shaqs numbers, respect from his peers, & accolades all speak for themselves. HOWEVER, I'm still sensing Jokic slander in this video. Jokic has such a finesse to his game. He doesn't need to use brute power & force because the game is different now. Jokic has a soft touch, a jumper, 3-pt ability, fadeaway, post play, floater, his skillset seems endless. He's also an intelligent player, he understands how defenses try to play him and he adjusts accordingly, kinda like LeBron. Jokic would 100% be a top 3-5 center in the league if he started playing in 2005 or before.

[@qualiswilliams7403]

Agreed idk why people seem to slander jokic

[@92akucaballero97]

Your sensing? Lol let’s compare him to the greatest center of all time just as he’s reaches the WCF and looks like they are gona win the chip too. Joker being white has to be factor too

[@harrikuusjarvi3795]

Jokic is stronger than people realize. He is Top 5 strongest players todays NBA.

[@Supersupremegang]

@@92akucaballero97 These dudes are prisoners of the moment

[@clywry4181]

The dream/ the admiral / mourning/ Ewing/ I don’t think joker does as well. Joker would be a better version of Sobonis

[@buckeyes8631]

One word SHAQ, there’s no low post defenders in todays game and no defense league

[@romeomonteverde]

Let's be real, Shaq would've destroyed the league if David Stern wasn't so hard on him. Like with Wilt, the NBA made it harder for him. He had an interview where he talked about having a convo with Stern that he kept getting hacked and not getting any calls. Stern responded by saying that he's gotten calls from teams complaining about Shaq. He realized that if he just put up with it, then guys would be afraid of him so much more. Just like with MJ and the Jordan rules, though Jordan can't retaliate like Shaq, where Shaq kept getting hard fouls and not getting calls, he put up with it and dished out monster dunks over other players that really hurt them both physically and mentally. That's how dominant Shaq was. And if Stern just loosened up, Shaq would have the other team in foul trouble just in the first quarter alone only having 5 players left (correct me if I'm wrong, not sure if the rules say 5 or 6 players would be kept despite everyone in foul trouble but any succeeding calls will be FTs. Not sure if either the team who's player got fouled will keep the ball after the foul shot or a tech will be given to the opposing team or something like that). He'd destroy the game. In this era I'd think that's what would happen if Shaq plays now

[@KreyzAim]

Don’t ever bring up Shaq to make a point. You’ll always be wrong. Stop it, no.

[@khwezi_bass]

Lmao. That’s some way of putting it.

[@t-god2439]

Also that bruiser badge they used to have on 2k. Playing against Shaq gets your tired on the offensive end. Makes your legs 🦵 go and you makes it harder to shoot

[@Don_ZelleThaCreator]

2k ?

[@t-god2439]

@@Don_ZelleThaCreator yes nba2k they had a bruiser badge or used to. It represented how their are certain players who bang so much in the post. That it slowly takes away energy from the defenders throughout the game

[@michaelwatkins9479]

2k?

[@eanoworro1028]

I think its possible that the league charges Shaq with offensive fouls and gets a new rule placed on him basically saying you cannot physically dominate players . Jokic would be a leading 4 man because of his pass ability but he would still be a liability on the low block

[@HooodClassicsTV]

Jokic playing the triangle offense with Kobe 😮🔥🔥

[@deanthelemur1716]

whos kobe?

[@m.s.9535]

No one is stopping Shaq.

[@rashadwarren3457]

Well...I think Hakeem The Dream was the player Shaq could not take. Houston swept Orlando in the Finals that year and Shaq could not guard Hakeem.

[@Bdk2036]

Ben Wallace did pretty well

[@yoweeoweeooo8223]

@@Bdk2036 Shaq was injured

[@dusk6159]

Duncan and Robinson did, although Shaq is still unstoppable

[@jspears19]

@@yoweeoweeooo8223 Rodman??

[@chrisworland7754]

Shaq is more dominant, jokic is more skilled. We saw what a jokic like player could impact with sabonis in the era but shaq would dominate in any era. He'd just need to work on free throws because He'd be fouled more now than ever. His only downfall would be defending out to the three point line otherwise he's totally comfortable in any era

[@12savage68]

If teams wanna foul their entire front court out and stay in the bonus they can expect to lose.

[@MrAaronchicago]

Jokic isn't more skilled he's playing in a less physical era.

[@samuelraji8343]

@@MrAaronchicago Brother, Jokic's bag is massive, Shaq simply didn't have the free throw shooting, 3-point shooting, passing, or high percentage 2-point shooting that Jokic has. Shaq had incredible footwork, speed, and physical strength to finish at the rim through 2 giant bodies. Hakeem is more skilled than Shaq.

[@TexMalloy]

jokic is farrrrr better than arvydas sabonis was already. and that’s no knock on sabonis. he was a dog, but there’s levels.

[@Woofreestyle]

@@MrAaronchicago Physicals aren’t skills. Shooting, passing and dribbling are skills.

[@315giants]

jokic brings the game back 2 fundamentals while shaq brings it back to athleticism

[@rodneyperry7940]

Shaq was a monster, but his rebound numbers were too low for his ability. Jokic gets everything out of his ability while Shaq left so much on the table.

[@jackdempsey2497]

True.. i honestly think shaq still hasnt reach his max even at his peak.

[@coloneldusty4476]

Shaq averaged 12 rebounds for a decade. In an era with only 47 available rebounds per game.

[@sarumane5380]

Dominance will always be a weird concept to wrap my head around. Like we tend to talk about dominance in two different ways 1) Being physically imposing 2) Balling out on all levels and against everybody I don't think it is particularly productive to mix the two. You could ask this question about dominance in different contexts and you'd get different answers. Shaq I believe has taken ownership over what dominance means pretty squarely. It's just unfortunate that it's also a fitting descriptor in other places.

[@2legitkev]

well said! I agree completely. if jokic averages a triple double and not a single person can stop him, that's a DOMINANT player. now do I think Jokic over Shaq? not yet, but in dominance, we cannot deny Joker!!

[@revydmat]

Shaq is that type of player who would change the game regardless of what era he is in. The game will have to be adjusted because teams would be forced to adjust to Shaq's dominance

[@diegobromfield]

That is wild... not calling 75% of the fouls they committed against Shaq.

[@jonpoon3896]

7 footers learned to shoot because of Shaq. To take the play away from where he’s dominant

[@zanemoore1808]

7 footers shot before shaq.

[@mbealhighjump]

All the ways Shaq affected the game and you found one of the few that isn't true. Masterful.

[@edwardkalfredsr5455]

The assist come from the change of the league because they shoot more 3s. But Shaq passing wasn’t bad. Joker would be in foul trouble dealing with him

[@elirane85]

Teams had to have 3-4 centers on rotation just to handle all the fouls on Shaq. Shaq is a freak on nature, he would wreck in any era.

[@TheRealSinotra]

Give JOKIC his flowers! He did that! Compare, compare, compare all you want. That man made history! I respect it.

[@TexHorn210]

Tim Duncan did very well against Shaq. Why would anyone assume Joker wouldn’t have similar success.

[@Wedarealsinnas]

no way you said that😂😂

[@ziginaigra]

because shaq would score 40+ every time on him lol

[@coloneldusty4476]

Duncan rarely guarded prime Shaq. Only help defense. He was too chicken shit

[@tbtoosmoove]

Duncan was levels above Jokic as defender though

[@gold6813]

I’m surprised these ex professionals don’t mention Shaq played in the triangle for his most dominant seasons. Equal opportunity offence leads to less assist

[@stevomania12]

Gil so proud of his pre game snitchin love it

[@ranchosdelnorte]

If you put Jokic in a 6'7" body, he would still make an incredible forward, and even in a 6'2" body he would be a star as a point guard. On the other hand, If you take away Shaq's size advantage, even just shrink him down to the size of an average center, how good would he be? Did he have enough other attributes to still make a huge impact, or was his main case as a great player based solely on hitting a genetic lottery?

[@undisputedtruth4954]

Joker would get abused on the block by Shaq. 3 fouls & 4 posters in the 1st quarter. He can't drive by Shaq, can't overpower Shaq, but he can pull Shaq completely out of the paint on one end of the court. The problem with that is he still has to shoot over an athletic 7 footer, then hustle down on defense to try to stop Shaq from getting deep position, sealing him under the rim, and banging that b* in guys face over and over and over.😂

[@petardjordjev8271]

That's not the question, the question is if they switch eras, not if they played against each other

[@alfredooliva5175]

Joker would NOT get abused. Against the Portland Trailblazers the 2000's prime Shaq went up against similar players Ardvinas Sabonis and Yao Ming and struggled heavily. They were immovable from the block. Lakers barely escaped game 7. You have no idea what your talking about

[@BayAreaHoops415]

Acting like Jokic wouldn't abuse a Shaq lead defense as well

[@lionface1364]

​@@alfredooliva5175 Hold up....Shaq STRUGGLED against Yao and Sabonis????? When? Where?

[@Luckymag-if4dw]

@@lionface1364 People also forget Shaq had some serious limitations (love shaq, top 10 player easy), he did have series where in his prime he averaged like 22/12 or 21/8... the lakers won against the spurs in 2001 for example but Shaq averaged 21/12 on 45% from the field... right there prime Shaq, Duncan averaged 29/17. Shaq never led any of the 5 series they played against the spurs between 1999 and 2004 in scoring... he was a beast and everything but people do get caught up in the finals where they actually faced the fourth or fifth best teams in the league as the best ones were in the west, and in those west series Shaq wasn't averaging 30 and 15 as many people believe, also it ain't hard to find that out, watching those games you see Shaq getting attacked and struggling against high IQ bigs

[@scottlyman7395]

Listen Shaq could unquestionably be dropped in any era and do great, I also think Jokic would have been fine in almost any era because of the fact he’s so skilled he plays at his own pace during a time everyone wants to speed up the game, I think there’s a level of skill and genetic talent that can just be placed in any era and succeed and I believe Nikola to be one of those players too

[@scottlyman7395]

Although he would have had to play defense to survive the older generations for sure

[@harrikuusjarvi3795]

Jokic would be more skilled in earlier eras. Then players were mostly as good as today.

[@JamesEvans2023]

@@harrikuusjarvi3795 Joker is only going to look even better for a 90s-2000s player if he's shooting 40+ from 3, and 80+ from the line. Something Shaq couldn't do in a million billion years. Everybody also out here acting like Shaq didn't benefit from a top 10 player of all time in Kobe taking away attention from him.

[@harrikuusjarvi3795]

@@JamesEvans2023 True i was just been polite.

[@devonjohnson3077]

There is no comparison! Shaq is in a different air when it comes to great big men, the dominance strength athleticism that man was different

[@b.g.3073]

Totally different players in different generations/styles of basketball. Can't even compare them.

[@YRNRBLX]

The level of player resources health and training wise in todays game for athletes is more advanced. Imagine if players back then had that type of access. The great players we know and loved back then would be even greater!! This is why I don’t compare eras or say what if because there’s more you have to consider than just swapping players from different eras.

[@futurekillerful]

@@Mainesthought explain why former athletes say things have changed drastically then if nothing changes.

[@YRNRBLX]

@@Mainesthought Everything has changed! Technology impacts the way you train and take care of your body. The analytics can tell a player how many dribbles you took and where you’re least efficient, etc. Overall basketball science and health is just at another level from therapy to the wide array of equipment available. Im not saying anything new. Current and former NBA Players have talked about this.

[@whatsgoingonouthere1422]

​@@futurekillerful Yeah like the fact that they water down the lead and don't let strong big man play just for joker could be sweet

[@TheIcemanthomas]

To be fair, shaq is an underrated passer. He wasn’t looking to pass most of the time but when he did he was great at it. Which is why he was so great in that triangle

[@313Martin]

Exactly

[@JamesEvans2023]

He's literally rated exactly where he should be at his pretty pathetic 2.5 assists a game. Does he want a cookie for that?

[@313Martin]

@@JamesEvans2023 stats do not tell the true story

[@juju-vl7oj]

Most alltime greats are pretty good passers and they have their hands on the ball so much there's plenty of opportunities to pass. Shaq was a pretty good passer, Jokic is a special passer.

[@dewman7477]

@@JamesEvans2023can Jokic block shots like Shaq can? Nitpicking only assists at Center position is laughable

[@swamyvlogs4618]

Big fan of Agent Zero For Being Fearlessly Authentic in all his takes ! His Takes are like a light in the space of fake biased marketing Endorsement Ads !!

[@tigeryumyums9407]

Sometimes. Sometimes he's a fool as well lol JJ is better imo

[@SouthernLocks]

Shaq understood how to get his but then unselfishly pass out the Double team and read defenses. I give him credit. He allowed Kobe to get his 1 on 1 iso game poppin

[@dk91charlie]

Man Gilbert missed every question this video and he usually have valid points. Ppl think you can only dominate the game physically that's wrong. Jokic is probably the toughest cover in the league especially when you can't double! Also Shaq wouldn't hold up in today's game! Not LA Shaq anyway! Couldn't shoot freebies, couldn't shoot at all, can't guard the perimeter, I'll run him and get switches on him and foul him just enough to get a lead until i force his coach to pull him to stay in the game! #Facts

[@ziginaigra]

delusional #Facts lol

[@blisstits]

The game adapts to the best player. No one in this era could stop prime Shaq and I feel the game would change and be more physical and slow because of Shaq playing in it.

[@lebarbosa9778]

Imagine the opponent playing this modern "small ball" against Shaq... he would shoot 90% from the field.

[@allprogrows358]

Both players would be dominant in any era

[@TheOfficalUno]

It’s different definitions of dominance and different ways to dominate 💯

[@derekgriffin4703]

Shaq couldn’t hold nobody today! He’d have a heart attack by halftime!!

[@thetruth4654]

While Shaq is dominant, he is only really effective in the post, backing you down and getting easy layups or dunks. Jokic can kill you in the post, in the midrange at the 3pt line and with he`s passing and playmaking. So Jokic has an argument for being more dominant because he can kill you in multiple ways.

[@deebrown9263]

Not all, I dnt care what else he can do he's not in that convo with Shaq, you literally paid extra centers to be on your team so u could use some fouls on Shaq

[@chocolatedrop4578]

u said alot to still be wrong

[@dewman7477]

Versatility doesn’t mean Jokic is more unstoppable than Shaq lol

[@shortie9103]

Shaq' efficiency was something else

[@storytime7982]

Who that on the set he look very familiar I can’t place his name? Wearing gr8ness shirt

[@vegastjg]

Young Sabonis was an athletic beast.

[@nickadt]

These discussions are fun but ultimately comparing eras is a fools errand. Teleport prime Shaq into todays league and he would struggle. Same too vice versa with any of todays players. For instance, Shaq would be in foul trouble as often as they call fouls in todays game. Also, his free throw shooting would be unacceptable today where bigs shoot 80 percent. Yes he would adapt but then it is a completely different discussion.

[@lebarbosa9778]

Bruh, there's no center in this era. He would be the GOAT if he played now. Take the best defender now, AD. Could you imagine AD having to guard Shaq? They would have to have an ambulance parked right outside of the court just to make sure.

[@soysizzle1458]

😂 Struggle cmon he would have the same struggles he always had but be way more dominant in areas he thrived in. While teams would foul out.

[@user-xb6rn7qy2x]

@@lebarbosa9778 Shaq wouldn't be able to defend in today's era without fouling out either. It takes a lot of skill to defend in today's NBA the way the referee the game. You let Shaq all of the 2s he wants just space the floor and hit 3s on his ass. Shaq wouldn't be able to guard the 3pt line effectively.

[@lebarbosa9778]

@@user-xb6rn7qy2x yeah... we seeing slow ass jokic playing pick n roll defense well why wouldn't shaq be able to?

[@user-xb6rn7qy2x]

@@lebarbosa9778 Jokic isn't slow lol and he runs A LOT and has high endurance. Shaq would have to be at peak physical fitness to keep up in a 7 game series.

[@YSeize10]

As great as Jokic is he's not even guarding anyone at the rim right now, let alone Shaq 💪🏽

[@juan95441]

Joker really is a mix of everything cuz he will even bang in the post. Joker impressed me when he was bullying AD down in the post.

[@chazp4551]

Guys are making all of the points as to why Jokic is overrated. He doesn’t look like he’s doing much because he’s not doing a lot. He’s fortunate because there are not a lot of quality big men in the league these days. Teams play “small ball” now to cover for the center deficiencies in the league. A lot of placeholders that a decent, serviceable big man (a la Jokic) will get big numbers on if he’s in a system to take advantage of that. He’s the poster child of a player racking up meaningless numbers that do nothing for his teams ultimate goal (winning a chip). Jokic’ s teams have won ZERO chips. The team goes as those quality perimeter players (Porter Jr, Murray and Gordon) goes. I know a lot of people are not trying to hear what I’m saying but let’s be real with this. He’s not that dude. Two MVPs and almost a third… GTFOH! Somebody wake folks up.

[@digitalScribr]

🤣🤣🤣 Put him the paint with Shaq or Hakeem in a seven game series. WTF - Even a young Tim Duncan and that GOAT narrative would change. Joker is going to shine in this era, Joel and Giannis play in the east, and AD is always hurt.

[@adrianpheiffer9960]

Such a casual opinion.. There's a lot that goes into running an offense in the NBA.. This isn't pick up basketball you play at the gym.. if you doing basic things that are easy and simple to execute, you won't last long if you don't have some level of talent or skill.. teams do insane amounts of scouting and analytics to level that's insane. If you a one dimensional player you'll either get found out pretty easily or you so good that teams can't stop you

[@sangun123]

"doing nothing for his team" lmfao bruh they're the number one seed in the entire NBA, he's literally getting numbers we havent seen since wilt, that includes all those great big men from the 80's and 90's

[@chazp4551]

@@adrianpheiffer9960 Not casual at all. Just an observation from my POV. If he reminds me of anybody, it’s Bryant ‘Big Country’ Reeves. You are right. Everyone that makes it to the NBA has some serious level of skill/talent. He can play but the hype is just too much for what is really there. Put him in ANY other era and he gets eaten up. He’s getting numbers now but they’re empty numbers plain and simple.

[@chazp4551]

@@sangun123 Being the “number one seed in the NBA” means Jack sh1t. No chips. He’s nowhere in Wilt’s universe. No matter what they tell you and if anyone has learned anything from following basketball, it’s that the numbers don’t mean anything. Wilt had all time numbers = only got TWO chips. His contemporary, Bill Russell with numbers not nearly comparable - ELEVEN chips. Westbrook and Oscar Robertson have a lot of “Triple Doubles” between them - one title between them. Stats are not the whole story. Jokic is just getting a great narrative thanks to this senile media.

[@johnbeardshall2898]

Watch tapes of bill Walton and that would be the perfect example of a big man who passes like a guard

[@Ahilliard44]

let's put it this way. If Shaq were to play in this era, his shooting would be much better imo but that depends on his willingness to work on it.

[@keyceandreas9254]

Joker would probably be something like a big John Stockton depending who he's playing with. Joker's dominance would be sneaky, you look up at the end of the game and go "Oh wow, he did all that? When he get 30? 15 assists? What the hell?" type of deal.

[@isaiahess]

Actually agree with McCants here.. never thought I’d say that .. I understand Gil’s logic as well.. McCants is saying SHAQ Ess a more dominant force

[@user-ou6mt3ql8r]

"stop it " says shaq

[@stephenkinq5425]

Jokic thrives well in pass era's .. He could fit in Tex Triangle 90's , Pops System 2000's Shaq dominates all era's , Pass , Present , future

[@desmondbass5877]

McCants hit it right on the nail💯

[@louievasquez1952]

The jab at Dwight lol

[@mannymatencio1279]

Shaq will have a feast on undersize and less physical big today, team can take advantage to him in pick and roll so as jokic. The question is does jokic can outmuscled on that era? Can his coach allowed him to shoot threes? Can he has spacing to make a pass?

[@bigthizz2039]

They would both destroy who ever was in front of them

[@kookurikapooh]

The league caters to offense nowadays. Refs are more likely to call a foul that favors the offensive player. That’s why people can live with flopping. Imagine dropping Shaq in an era where refs would always call a foul against Shaq’s defenders? Shaq would miss a million more free throws, but he’d decimate the opposing lineup with foul trouble. And with the lack of solid, strong bigs? BBQ Chicken. All day.

[@scandelez]

7:56 ‘thicker than a snicker shaq’ AYYYOOOOOOOOO ⏸⏸⏸

[@Ararimu9]

Hakim played like that finger rolling twisting and shooting yet he still was dominant

[@MAIJORExplosionNtwk]

Hack-a-Shaq rule Would NOT WORK anymore.. Rule changed few years back, the fouled team is Awarded a Free throw by Any Player they choose, and then keeps possession of the ball. It starts in last two minutes of Every quarter now !! SN: what would try to slow Shaq down got changed a while back...

[@ThrashersShogun]

Well both will fare well in opposite Eras, and both will dominate if the team strategy is built around them, and yes you needed Shaq to pass every time the hack a shaq time comes.

[@LuisRivera-ht7hr]

I don’t know if this has been answered before but what happened to mike botticello

[@criscris428]

if shaq played now he;ll be influence to train harder cuz everyone's faster and stronger what happens then... he gets the ball near the paint it's easy two. they might just let him go for like 50 - 60 pts.

[@SP.007]

5:15 - Just put Shaq at the FT line every time he gets the ball But also, who says they have to match up on defence?

[@deantefields1903]

The question is what Shaq doing on defense tho? They will shoot him off the floor frfr ? Offense he would make plays but the problem is he can’t shoot ! Shaq would be on all pick and rolls which would tire him out and force his coach to take him out , imagine him on Steph? On dame? Kyrie? Luka? Etc? Y’all tripping

[@ziginaigra]

kid spotted😂

[@dewman7477]

Why would Shaq guard curry and point guard? He is guarding Center position. Who can guard Shaq without fouling? Nobody

[@ManFinest]

Teams switch everything now, I seen Marcus Smart trying to defend MVP Embiid. MVP caught the ball at the elbow instead of the low block.

[@ItsameBS]

Look at the era we are in. AD about to show what’s up.

[@sb17146]

Nobody stopping prime shaq in ANY era lol he'd be more deadly in this era the same way Jokic is unstoppable in this era. Those 2 command doubles in the low/high post. And when you surround them with cutters and shooters... It's game over. You don't double? They can score against any post defender. Hats off to Jokic. I think he is the best passer I've seen in a long while. His playmaking is fast. Like the moment the double team comes the ball is already in the hands of an open teammate. It's amazing to watch

[@jaron312]

Talent is talent

[@dboii9741]

Shaq….in this era where everyone has to be able to hit the 3….he would be having the time of his life😭

[@siniister710]

Damn Dwight catching strays

[@ikemason9114]

Joker would've had they ass out there on the 3pt line image Jokic driving past Pat with the slow mo euro step😂😂 11:47

[@Sinatra292]

They both dominate 🤷🏾‍♂️💪🏾

[@carrastealth]

if they switched eras, Shaq would have been encouraged to pass, Jokic would have been encouraged to play a stereotypical big man role and his point guard would be the primary distributor. Consider it this way, Shaq came up initially as a point guard with a jump shot, he was told to throw that away and be a full time center because of his size. If he came up in THIS era, he'd have been encouraged to keep his jump shot as well as use his passing skills more. Now imagine if you will, Shaq with a three point shot and being allowed to pas as a primary distributor of a team....

[@nicolascapote3846]

A handful of centers can do something to the centers back in day Jokic is offensive animal but too much of a liability on defense

[@qdarley99]

It's crazy how many people don't know that Shaq could handle the ball and run the break. Dude was the focal point in the triangle and definitely could pass the ball as well. Joker couldn't dribble past him and can't out muscle him. The reality is, Joker is prime Arvidas Sebonis playing in an era conducive to those skills and with no real competition at the position. Joker against Shaq, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning, Kevin WIllis, and many others of the era, would not get what he wants against that level of competition. and many of the guys I named, even Rick Smits could make life difficult for Joker. He's thriving at the right time and kudos to him but we know this is not an era conducive to great big men. Literally there are only two and Giannis is really a Power Forward like KG, Tim Duncan, etc.. but he's so athletic and aggressive that he can dominate because there's no competition.

[@sterlingwoods917]

Before I listen to it. I think it’ll be even cause it would be hard for Shaq to guard any of the big men cause of how agile and faster n dribble skills they have nowadays. But no one would be able to guard shaq cause there’s really no big men that weigh what he weighs. And he would easily avg 30+ every big man is small

[@digitalScribr]

You have 90s Shaq that took it coast to coast every night at least once or twice. Yes, he was quick, can handle and do Windmills (break dance move). Early 2000s Shaq can still take it coast to coast but not as much. He lived on the block and no one was welcomed in the paint - NO ONE. Jokic would figure it out, but he would never guard Shaq.

[@CWillGetWitCha_973]

They couldn’t stop each other

[@vitorpr1245]

Jokic was made to play in this era. If the things were different other kinds of players with different bodies and styles will be developed and appear in the league.

[@clydekiamco4485]

can I ask about the pick n roll thing. cause yea shaq would 100% own you offensively. but what happens when a jamal murray + jokic play the pick n roll against shaq. cause if you drop coverage murray he ofcourse gonna shoot 3s all day. is Shaq fast or agile enough to go against pick n roll against guards today? dont flame me please, just a legitimate question.

[@antoniosuri3717]

People don’t understand how the floor spreading allows Jokic to make those assist. If Shaq had modern floor spacing with the gravity he creates when he’s in the paint this man would be averaging a triple double.

[@4363HASHMI]

Jokic spreads the floor

[@ziginaigra]

@@4363HASHMI u can counter than with man to man defense

[@theregoesmiller389]

damn , add those 5,000 freethrow points to shawq's total scoring numbers... whew !

[@Ahilliard44]

Can we also stop underestimating shaq defense? The reason he is considered the most dominant bigman is because he could fluidly move laterally at his size. That is something that doesn't get mentioned enough

[@ziginaigra]

shaq avg more blocks than rudy gobert :)

[@driiifter]

I like to think back to that snip of Shaq dream shakin Jordan before the All-Star game while they were warming up. Orlando Shaq was dream shakin, no doubt about his skill.

[@charlesdonahue3667]

Not sure you want to mention "dream shakin," if you're trying to praise Shaq. Hakeem 'Dream Shook' him like nobody's business.

[@lildavo32]

I think Sheed and KG said it feels like holding up a brick wall for 4 quarters when you guarding Shaq. Don’t nobody wanna do that.

[@yummdiddy]

If there was any dominant classic style centers in the league today Jokic could not do anything he is doing. He would have to be in the post playing defense and he would be getting shit on. That does not mean hes not good as fuck for today’s game.

[@michaellopez8894]

I wish Shaq was still young. If you didn't see it you wouldn't understand, it's ok. Fucking monster in any era...

[@sullir9397]

I'm not going to argue the joker fouls out vs Shaq argument, I pretty much agree; however, Joker is 290lbs and nobody can stop him in his short post game. His shot% is insane with his plethora of moves when his back is against his dude.

[@ziginaigra]

his fg% is good but he not playing now vs guys like david robinson:)now pf guarding him mostly

[@austinmontgomery7166]

I didn't even watch I came just to comment Shaq in his Era was essential due to the iso style of game play joker is part of the 3 point Era so joker would space out the floor in shams time ND team would eat also he would cause other don't know how to deal with Shaq in this Era would also eat just cause folks don't know how to play low it really all depend on the Team if u need a paint defender/rebounder put back up or offensive facilitator

[@tcook2236]

IT AINT EVEN CLOSE JOKER WOULDVE BEEN LOCKED UP BY HAKEEM, YAO, MUTOMBO, ETC ETC... SHAQ WASNT EVEN FAIR BACK THEN IN HIS ERA. WTF YOU THINK HE WOULD DO IN LEBRON POWDERPUFF LEAGUE? SHAQ WOULD AVERAGE 50points, 30 rebs, 15, blocks IN TODAYS LEAGUE...

[@mazzb305]

Never thought about it, but Joker is a bigger C Webb with longer range.

[@jhonniotkrs]

bam is the perfect exemple of what they saying. mf is athletic and strong enough to bully his way to a dunk every single time but he settles for floaters and fadeaways

[@SuperAlphaBear]

Gil is hilarious 😆