Nikola Jokic Is MORE DOMINANT Than Shaq

Gil's Arena EXPLODES Debating The NBA's Greatest Big Man as Gilbert Arenas takes on Rashad McCants discussing the most dominant big man in NBA History. With Nikola Jokic absolutely dominating the NBA Finals, there's a real argument that he is greater than Shaquille O'Neal.
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[@ShakeMadeTV]

Rashad not acknowledging Miko or even looking at her is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DW-lw3hg]

It’s because he hates that shes a woman and knows more about basketball than him. Lol dude shows us every episode why he flamed out the league quick.

[@ShakeMadeTV]

absolutely hilarious lmaoooo @@DW-lw3hg

[@CasperProductionsTv]

Like get her outta here lmao Where's Camby lol

[@0fficialbari]

Fax her ass aggravating just talking😂😂

[@demasceionbyrd3776]

​@@DW-lw3hgShe Doesn't Though.

[@anthonynorman7545]

Gil talks to McCants like he's trying to reason with a kid having a tantrum 😂

[@BootyWarrior555]

Gil don’t want McCant to take that booty

[@brianbenjamin653]

Cause he got weird viewpoints but I respect his opinion

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@brianbenjamin653 I don't know how much I can respect his opinions when everyone has to talk to him like he's a bomb ready to explode to have any sort of discussion.

[@brianbenjamin653]

@@anthonynorman7545 he makes the show fun lol who wouldn't want to see a bomb ready to go off

[@jcd_2000]

Lmao ikr

[@andreparrish9392]

33 in the early 2000s is more impressive than 33 in 2020s. That’s not even debatable

[@ziginaigra]

ye now is ez to score

[@ziginaigra]

shaq would avg 40 now

[@AFTWKING]

Yeah for shaq its more impressive because it was a big man league so he was getting harder buckets in the paint.

[@aaronjesse6241]

Not for SHAQ??? His size compared to everyone in the league of his time offset the physicality of the game.

[@jvr6809]

Thats a really bad argument and i dont even like jokic😂

[@kyd70]

McCants is right but didn’t explain it correctly. Shaq turned the paint into a No Fly Zone. The entire league created a strategy to keep him from taking shots. That’s dominance!

[@lionface1364]

Exactly. They are looking at Shaq's points in a vacuum. The attention he gets on the defensive end, the opposing teams big men he fouled out and the one on one opps for his teammates......all part of the Shaq effects

[@jaspermorant2352]

people dominate the game in different ways, but Jokic impacts the game more than shaq

[@SeanBattle]

There's a difference between physical dominance and a dominant performance. Shaq was physically dominant and Joker has dominant performances. Very simple to understand even for Mcants

[@khaosflare]

​@@SeanBattleYou literally explained it perfectly

[@danceman3000]

⁠@@SeanBattle I agree with you Two things can be true, there is Physicsl/psychological dominance and then there is playmaking Dominance that includes you controlling multiple aspects of the game especially offensively. Shaq using 2K terminology would be a “Paint Beast” and would be unrivaled two way player. Jokic is a “Play-Making offensive threat” who’s PER is ridiculous because of his consistency. The other factors would be Shaq’s defense(unrivaled in the paint) with Jokic ability to stay on the court in a late game situation knowing he can make free throws. 2 different types of dominance but highly effective for their era.

[@hodgesholdingsllc4416]

2000 finals Shaq averaged 38, 16.7, and 2.7 blocks. I hate when they don’t speak facts, Josiah literally is on a computer and picked out Shaq’s second best finals performance.

[@freshsolutions6549]

Gil said Shaq never came close to 44 in the finals Shaq literally hadd 44pts against the 6ers wit 20 rebs

[@jimmybambino9549]

Cuz ppl n society start to always follow or eat hype. I know friends think I hate jokic. But silver pushing n making these social media pushing shit. No disrespect to lil shorty she be knowing shit but sounds dumb. Esp she said all u got to do is this. Wtf it’s dudes that’s literally 3-8 of her size that tried that n he’s getting and 1s and eating that bbq chicken. Reason I get mad cuz been seen league push face n certain things they pushed Greek freak but he’s not relatable cuz he’s cheesy. Now it’s Jokic ok he’s nasty but cmon he was about get trip peat for mvps like he’s not better or more dominant than Shaq or the Duncan’s etc not yet at least. But media pushing that. Hey he’s better than dirk like wtf dirk not getting trip dubs but he did some shit n was one of hardest ppl to guard ever, n epic chip run. Better than Duncan bro Duncan best PF ever won 2nd yr in league. Is Murray n Jokic as good as Kobe n Shaq which is prob the best duel ever, but let joker get one then we could say those things. Craziest it’s not even can they or it’s possible with those lil statements 😂

[@jasonbilly5247]

This is the generation of Disrespecting all time greats because everyone is stuck in the moment look at who Joker is playing against and then look at who Shaq was playing against Gil just running his mouth, Shaq would foul all these Centers out and that woman is a parrot

[@jasonbilly5247]

​@@jimmybambino9549 Im with you these people aren't fooling us real fans they just say click bait material too appeal to all the casuals who actually believe this BS and kids are easily influenced as well all of the media does it

[@jimmybambino9549]

@@jasonbilly5247 no lies told. Think areas prob he tries to creat these smarter than life scenarios cuz that’s how he approached the game as player n allowed him to cook, oh he’s guarding me going to take him to the rack 3x now the 4th time they going to purposely switch to get me to shoot but I’m going draw the contact cuz he’s the primary scorer or get this big tired. Cool sometimes smart n fair points but it’s like cmon u thinking too hard or trying to overplay ur hand.

[@1izzzo]

Gil looking at Rashad like “IF JOHNNY HAS FOUR APPLES…” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@tylerhunt5703]

2001 NBA Finals Game 1: 44,20,5 Game 2:28,20,9 assist, 8 blocks Game 3: 30,12,3,4 Game 4: 34,13,5 Game 5: 29,13,2,5 Not mentioning the fact that was vs Mutombo and 4 other legit 7’ 225 + or that players didn’t score in the paint nearly as often with Shaq on defense. They smoking that Gil Pack

[@jaspermorant2352]

that game 2 stat line is nasty

[@tmcdon94]

They off that pack fr

[@jracks3832]

Ikr and the guy with the laptop not even searching it up

[@Buddah5537]

DAM 👀 SHAQ WAS A MONSTER

[@nkrav7160]

Now post Joker's numbers.

[@Katdaddyruffin]

Miko is just an adlib for Gil, nobody is even paying attention to her lmaoooo 🤣🤣🤣

[@evandonknox6167]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@younggun05]

Shaqs first NBA win was averaging 38pts(I'm sure no 3pts) 60% 16 rebounds & 3blocks per game. Let's not disrespect shaq

[@aironenise]

Facts 😂😂these ppl r crazy

[@aquartermil]

On me these Mfs crazy ash all the disrespect to the greats first Kobe now we disrespect the man who have 46 nicknames…smh Shaq is more dominant than Jokic

[@jefferybarefield6372]

32, 21,10... both are dominant

[@laurencebell963]

@@jefferybarefield6372 this is the point fam!!

[@jefferybarefield6372]

@@laurencebell963 what is the point Sir

[@libfit9068]

People need to understand that during Shaqs prime, the NBA was a much slower pace and more defensive. Today has much more possessions. More possessions = more statistical numbers. Averaging 30 back then is much different than averaging 30 now.

[@livefromthemotherland]

That’s a great point

[@mightguysseconddisciple8670]

Exactly bro, Shaq didn’t have to pass, and his presence demanded attention and he had to be double teamed for him

[@RafaelGarcia-jb3me]

Jokic has ten assists though.

[@libfit9068]

@@RafaelGarcia-jb3me Doesn’t make up for Shaqs numbers. Back in 2001 the games were much more defensive with less possession. The average team would score 90 pts. Shaq would score 30 pts. That’s 1/3rd of the entire teams pts output. In 2023 team would average 115 pts. Jokic would score 30 pts that’s only about 1/4th of total pts. If Shaq played today he would be averaging 38. (1/3rd)

[@tonyl9636]

Bad argument for a few reasons, we'll disregard that Shaq didn't actually average thirty in the finals and say rounding up is fine. You're talking about physicality, you're talking about a bench press effectively. You hear the word dominant and you think the word strength, but that's not what dominance in basketball is. You said it's the pace, so let's think about it as simply as possible, the team scored 90 and Shaq scored 30, thats 30% but let's juet be super generous and say he produced 40 via 1 assist and some rebounds that we're counting, thats still less than 50% of his teams offensive production Today the team averages 115, and Jokic is literally directly creating 60 points of that, and that's without being generous and counting shit like rebounds, of which he averages the same as Shaq. That's over 50%, it's actually closer to 60 Using your numbers, and even being generous and inflating Shaqs numbers as much as possible to steal man your argument, Shaq never produced 50% of his teams offense, and Jokic never produces less than 50% by a comfortable margin. Jokic is more dominant, you're talking about muscles, but this is a conversation about basketball, and on the basketball court Jokic does more than shaq.

[@jujurawks]

I understand what McCants is saying... Joker does generate more points from assist and scoring, but Shaq's dominance was him dropping 35-40 while putting the other team in foul trouble which brings in bench players which changes the way their team can defend because of fouling out/foul trouble. etc.

[@emmanuelmalone]

No one will ever be as Dominant as Shaq was ‼️

[@1ajgtwm]

Shaq has been surpass by unathletic Euro Center. He just needs more rings

[@renzoliban6303]

In the paint yes. But for everything, Jokic beats him to it. Jokic can shoot 3's too, he had handles too.

[@ElTuco84]

It depends on your definition of dominance. Shaq dominated the paint like no one, but Joker dominates the game as a whole.

[@kylonp7311]

@@ElTuco84when they change the rule for jokic holla at me

[@Timely864]

I don’t understand why this is an argument it’s clearly Shaq. The fact Shaq is less skilled but demands more attention says it all. Bc someone can do more doesn’t make them better it makes the more skilled. It’s wide open shots for Shaq teammates in today’s game. Shaq is dropping 40 a night misses free throws. Two men on Shaq in the paint creates points he doesn’t get assists for. Joker also benefits from no real bigs .

[@CN-gw5nt]

I get Rashad’s point. He’s talking actual physical dominance over another human being. Shaq would just straight bully and demoralize grown men. Plus they acting like Shaq wasn’t going CRAZY in the finals smh

[@fawazjarbo6448]

Jokic is doing that with assist and more. Jokic can also just take shaq out to the perimeter lmaooo

[@Moneymaker600]

@@fawazjarbo6448you think shaq not gone get jokic in foul trouble?

[@MarLikeIt]

You are not allowed to "Dominate" like Shaq in the league today

[@fawazjarbo6448]

@@Moneymaker600 no jokic will get shaq in fouls trouble are you crazy. You forget nikola is still huge at 6’11 284 pounds!!!! He has so much in his arsenal

[@FredNewmanSk8r]

You must be crazy to agree with something rashad said😂😂😂

[@chriswillingham1004]

I like how everyone forgets about Hakeem Olajuwon which Shaq himself said was the best center of the 90s. He gave you buckets, rebounds, assists, blocks, and the only center top ten all time in Steals.

[@blackcat513358]

Shaq said he was the best ever. I agree.

[@sidjones16]

They didn't start recording steals and blocks until 73. The goal-tending rule (I believe) was created because of Wilt.

[@nikohunt5187]

Both are why they always trying reach both are dominant joker is Just different

[@freshsolutions6549]

This about dominant centers not goat centers

[@sidjones16]

The Supersonics gave him trouble. The 2 yrs he won were the 2 yrs they didn't have to face them. All time great. Lost to a team with a lesser center.

[@2kdrako]

This is a rare moment where I agree with McCants 😭

[@DashDashh13]

Physical Dominance doesn’t overshadow Floor Dominance. Both Joker and Shaq shifted how teams play against them in two different eras of basketball. Realistically speaking based on the argument the player with more responsibility on the win or team success is the more dominant player. Jokers going to take that going with his career trajectory

[@HBmob]

Jokic doesn't have kobe on his team ...plus taking a penalty to stop/slow someone down is the epitome of I can't stop him so just stop the game and make him shoot penalty shots until we can't nomore

[@pinchen4918]

Shaq changed the way how teams constructed their rosters. You had to have 2-3 bigs there just to foul him, else your 1 big will foul out in 15 minutes. Thats why during Shaqs prime the game went through one of the lowest pace in NBA history due to the limited guard spots a team could have. If a modern day guard tried to foul Shaq it will be a dunk plus an and one.

[@donovanpipkins408]

Like they said in the video an and 1 would indicate that shaq can make a freethrow but he cant so it would just be a fg made. Yall missing the point of what they saying. And honestly im surprised they didnt bring up the fact that shaq had a kobe to bail him out ysll dont remember shaw fouling out and kone coming in saving the day? You could slow down shaqs scoring (especially how it was back then) with hard fouls sending him to the line opposed to theres no way for you stop jokic on the offensive end in any capacity you slow down one thing i’ll just produce way more in the other categories opposed too if you slow down shaq scoring he isnt producing anywhere else rebounds yeah sure but jokic produces the same in rebounds. If jokic isnt on the floor is a loss for denver murray is a great distributer but he isnt the guy who gets the team involved like jokic.

[@PhreshSB]

Also, the pace of the game is way faster. So obviously there would be more stats for the modern players. These guys have peanut brains sometimes. More shots = More points, more rebounds, and more assists.

[@JM-lg1qg]

You don’t think teams constructing on how to stop/ deal with/ slow down Jokic?

[@adilsondepina6525]

Seems like they forgot all that and the fact that Shaq would clog the paint on defense and Jokic plays no defense

[@nickjones5495]

@@donovanpipkins408I remember Jamal Murray bailing out the nuggets multiple times in this playoff run.. and even if Shaq got fouled and made 1 free throw every trip that’s still 1 point per possession. That’s good even for todays league. Learn the sport cuzzo

[@ballinphil3025]

Shaq went 15-1 in the playoffs one year. Everyone is falling for the recency bias. Jokic is great but yall trippin

[@George-nx8zu]

Shaq had prime Kobe Bryant in those playoffs, Shaq wasn't the singular reason for that team's dominance. Kobe alone averaged 35 points in that series against the Kings and 33 points per game against the Spurs in the Playoffs. Jokic doesn't have anybody like that

[@idgaf5794]

@@George-nx8zuLmaoo so Murray ain’t get a 30 point triple dbl ya be acting like Murray isn’t a star he can easily be what dame and curry is if he leaves jokic

[@fledgendbeats4581]

​@@George-nx8zu shaq won all the finals MVPs with kobe on the team though so again what point are u trying to make

[@Xzasports]

Most of the modern day centers are way better shooters then Shaq was but prime Shaq was just too big and strong Jocker Embid and Rudy combined together wouldn't be able stop Shaq.

[@waynemarsh1530]

@@Xzasports all 3 of those guys would be bigger and stronger than any center Shaq faced besides yao Ming so there's that....

[@mtvernon]

I agree that Shaq is more “DOMINANT”. However, the main reason for that is because the game was a lot slower with a lot less possessions ESPECIALLY in finals and playoffs games than todays game. Averaging 30 back in 2001 is like averaging 45 right now in todays game. You have to look at possessions and total points then divide that by the stat line of each to see the impact/dominance of each player. For instance Shaq averaging 33 pts a game with 4 assists and the total points being around 100 for the lakers and only a few possessions may be more dominant than Jokers 30 and 7 when Nuggets total points that series may be higher. McCants is arguing that Shaq’s PHYSICAL dominance over others back then is what propels him over Jokers. And that’s not a bad opinion, but he’s just so inarticulate that he sounds dumb a lot. McCants also makes unrelated points to bolster or back up his original point which makes him sound even worse.

[@jlui21]

Just for kicks, the 2001 Lakers avg 100.6 ppg and the 2023 DEN avg'd 115.8ppg. If Shaq avg'd 30ppg in 2001, then 15% more pts would be...34.5ppg. Overall, Orlando Shaq would be awesome today -- just like Giannis. Plus, Embiid and Jokic won the last 3 MVPs. And...Shaq is dominant out of the post and would open up the 3pt for open shooters.

[@JamesSees-wh8vm]

McCants just seems like he’s always so bitter and hateful towards guys he thought he might have been better than at some point.. Cuz everybody on that couch has had a better career than he had

[@realtalkfbs]

A broken clock is right 2 times a day LMAO.... I'm agreeing with Rashad 😂😂

[@georgeenzy378]

The flaw in this comparison is that the rules are very different from the Shaq era. If Shaq played in this era the rules would have to change again.

[@JonathanWoodall]

You mean they’d have to change the rules for a bigger and more skilled version of Giannis? Lol you right. People rly have no reference of comparison lol

[@MannysTechWorld]

the flaw is they are not considering their defensive numbers when shaq was in his prime he wasnt just dunking on everybody he was crushing his opponenets too...there was noo maybe motumbo is a better center than shaq there was noo maybe patrick ewing was better shaq just crushed everybody thats why he was the dominant no because he averaged a lot of points it was because at his position it was him and everybody else

[@Kuroganemk2]

@@MannysTechWorld Shaq got crushed by the dream though and the dream was a lot less power and a lot more skill.

[@TheFanDEATH]

Shaq played under the current rules & was a less effective player. Everyone considers the NBA like a 1v1 league when it's a team game. The ability for teams to collapse in on Shaq is something he only had to deal with later in his career. Shaq went from 9 straight seasons of 26ppg+ to never averaging over 22 the rest of his career from 04 on. 27ppg in 03, 21ppg in 04. The elimination of Illegal defense was a MASSIVE blow to Shaq's game. What makes Jokic better under the post-illegal defense era is that he can pass out of the defense collapsing in on him better than any post player ever. That's what McCants isn't understanding.

[@ryangardner7480]

​@@TheFanDEATHfool..... Do you know how old shaq was after 04?????

[@Jsch23]

Shaq was incredible, nobody is touching his dominance of the painted area and the stress he's putting on your entire defense. Jokic is also incredible and nobody is touching his ability to impact the entire court, be a threat from everywhere to score and get his teammates involved. both players are the best centers of their era and thats just the way it is. trying to compare them is foolish. also we will probably see teams this offseason bolster their frontcourt in an effort to counter jokic. same thing happened with shaq.

[@VVVY777]

Thinking being a one-dimensional bulldozer is more "dominant" than a more productive engine of the offense- scoring AND playmaking, is STUPID. You absolutely CAN compare. What's foolish is thinking the more "macho" gameplay is automatically more "dominant". Declaring that trying to compare them "is foolish" is intellectually LAZY and bankrupt. You can compare any era and any player with sound reasoning. You and your 19 likers need to learn to think better.

[@bigbowski1975]

What are you 15 years old? You def didn’t see Shaq play. Just sit down kid

[@sidjones16]

​@@VVVY777you can disagree without insulting ppl. Watch. You're wrong. Here's why. Shaq would literally take his man off the court with foul trouble. Hack a Shaq put you in the penalty. Shaq could go sit down. Your team is still in foul trouble. Your rim protector is on the bench giving you nothing. Shaq's team has no shot blocker to worry about. Meanwhile Shaq's teammates are getting FREE throws. Free points. Even a horrible ft shooter hits 60% of the time. How many non centers hit 60% of their buckets? Jump shots put pressure on YOU to make the shot. Assists only count if you make the shot. When Shaq was winning rings he was 350 that's around 60lbs heavier than Jokic. When he was in Orlando, he was significantly smaller. He had the footwork, speed and agility to fake out guards in the post. WITH THE STRENGTH TO TEAR DOWN BACKBOARDS! He could dribble like a guard and could shoot. He took the logical method of "bully ball". Jokic is generally playing dudes 6'9 to 7ft who have little to no post game, want to be shoot 3s and weigh slightly or substantially less than him. He looks like it hurts to run! If Murray averaged 25 in the WCF instead of 32, the Nuggets are down 3-1 instead of a sweep. That's ALL you would have to change. Even with all those numbers he put up. The help he got from his team. It would have amounted to nothing. So it would have been blamed on his teammates. Sounds familar.

[@alvinjohnson2402]

@VVVY777 Bro, r u that ignorant? Definitely not a student of the game! Jokic in that era would have fouled out, or limited himself by being taken out after 2 to 3 quick fouls like all other players in Shaq's prime era. The only centers that schooled shaq was Olajuwan and a past his prime Sabonis (research him) dude was a 7 ft 3 inch beast who had the girth to withstand Shaq's back you down /dunk approach. The rules were way different in that era. Hand checking, shoving for space were allowed. The ref's commission even said they had to change the way they refereed games, because Shaq would have fouled out whole teams if they called everytime he was fouled, which was no good for the game. Shaq had to contend with Mutumbo, Pat Ewing, Alonzo mourning, Bill Cartwright, Olujawon, Rik Smits, Manut Bol, David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, all 7 ft+ all-stars (some of them avg 25/ 30ppg) Prime Shaq would have bullied lightweight Anthony Davis into oblivion. And you think tippy toes Jokic would have survived that type of punishment night after night, facing "real bigs" not this small ball , you can't touch me league we see right now. And that is the ONLY reason Jokic is dominant! So, bro your argument of comparing is nonsense! I get you love Jokic. I like him becuase he's a throwback center who is taking advantage of a small ball league right now! There is no real bigs in todays NBA. It's all guard driven now!

[@Armyofonebillion]

@@sidjones16 Saying a way of thinking is lazy or intellectually bankrupt is not an insult, attacking character of an individual is an insult. It is intellectually bankrupt to just base dominance on macho game play, to go even a step further it's its a form of toxic masculinity. saying someone who doesnt play rough and tough like a bearded lumberjack isnt a real man basketball player because hes shooting threes midranges and passing is insane which is what most of this argument is based on with shaq. If shaq was so dominant hed shoot better than 50% from the freethrow line.

[@Lekefrmda4]

AINT NO WAY MFS SIT HERE & SAY JOKER MORE DOMINATE THAN SHAQ 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@thep-dotshow8249]

Shaq era had real big men in the NBA jokic is in a era where everybody is half his size and not aggressive

[@supavegetasama]

It depends how you define dominant. Dominance in terms of force. Stiring fear and getting people into foul troubles. That’s shaq diesel. Dominance in terms of impact dictating the game is Jokic. When generals plan attacks during war it’s not measured by sheer power. It’s strategy to get the favorable outcome. Sometimes it’s blowing shit up, sometimes it’s planting spies to neutralize quietly.

[@nigylrod]

on point. there are different types of dominance which they never talked about. 2 different dominant players, in 2 different eras, and 2 different playstyles. ones physical the other one's intellectual

[@herbslim2008]

Good point but u forgot about this, the Bulls and other teams had to get 3 to 5 center because shaq was going to kill any center if u didn't foul, u literally needed 30 fouls to give at the center spot

[@BangingYourDaughtersDaily]

Shaq dominated by playing Checkers... Jokic dominates by playing Chess...

[@zb2747]

Well said

[@silversurfer4725]

Shaq was more dominant. The deciding factor would be if Jokic played in Shaqs Era what would his stats look like. Especially in games against Shaq. When you have to guard somebody that big and strong and deal with them banging into your chest play after play it takes alot out of you. That affects you mentally (frustrating) and physically (painful, tiring). So ask your self what would Jokic stats look like if he had to guard Shaq ??He would be in early foul trouble for sure 😂

[@Mr.MeetJay]

They trying to answer 2 different questions. Gil for some reason is answering who has more impact on the game and Mccants is actually answering the question that was asked. Who was more dominant? Impact in a game and dominance in a game 2 different things

[@hawanyamomahmath1489]

Exactly because Steph has more impact than both of them on a game what Steph more dominant then Shaw now 😂

[@Mr.MeetJay]

@@hawanyamomahmath1489 exactly lol

[@345imawesome]

Dominance and physical prowess are two different things actually. Dont even get why hes saying this smh

[@skillz78]

Bingo

[@Kenn10]

Right 💯

[@tonyochiha9798]

McCant was making the wrong argument: Shaq was literally a frightening Force in the paint. The entire game plan for teams and eventually for the league itself was based on how to stop Shaq in the paint. Shaq just needed to exist in the paint and everyone on and off the court needed to figure out how to stop him from doing that. NBA rules were created because of Shaq.

[@JustDaveHuynh]

Both are great but it’s easier to score today bc of the spacing… it’s easier to score in the paint as there are less post defense so slashers are getting easier buckets if you pull the center out and there’s more shot opportunities bc of the pacing Hard to say who’s more dominant tho… both are great regardless

[@timothyharrison7639]

To hear them say, “all you had to do to stop Shaq was to foul him” is one of the wildest sports takes EVER!!! They are acting like he wasn’t demanding a double team, passing to teammates for open shots, or destroying people one on one. They wildin on this clip.

[@seanfraser8456]

@timothy Harrison everything you said here is what they said on prior shows. Now they switching it up. Smh

[@Taylzz]

Hack'a'Shaq wasn't even all that effective. Shaq hit about 50% of his FT's. It was just the better option considering if they didn't it was 2 points instead of one, regardless..

[@jonpoon3896]

A better way to say that is that fouling is the only thing you could do

[@codymurphy8362]

@@jonpoon3896 Their point is you don't even have that option with Jokic, he hits those and gives it to you from any range, rebounds and gets assists. Dominance in all areas vs one. Shaqs one area was more dominant that any of Jokics though so not a shut case either way imo.

[@theophilus1981]

The thing is they did foul Shaq and he still put 35pts up😂😂😂

[@FreshmanFrenzy]

Nobody is talking about Shaqs defense and presence. (Can get you 8 blocks too) Grown ass men were literally afraid of him 😂 that’s called dominance.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

mao "shaq cant be stopped" most false argument ever. The guy faced rik smits and tod mccolough no shit. When he faced duncan and robinson in 2002 he had 44% fg. can't be stopped my ass

[@dominiquecovin4170]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2pwhat happened when Kobe met Tyshawn Prince of Detroit? He got locked up!!!

[@dominiquecovin4170]

Kobe shot 38% in that Piston series. The last time I checked 44% is better than 38%.

[@FreshmanFrenzy]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p lmao Duncan n& Robinson both out of their own mouths said “Shaq put us in the hoop with the ball unless they fouled him” lmao “Hack-a-Shaq” started in SA 😭 Gregg popovich with Duncan AND Robinson….. can’t believe you used Duncan and Robinson as examples……

[@elijahhenderson8802]

Dominance is more of a visual, aesthetically pleasing experience to see. Whereas with Joker it’s greatness it has more context and fine details to his game.

[@pjpomare3598]

Not a fan of McCants but I agree. Shaq changed the rules he was one dimensional and was still so dominant.

[@biglen_1]

I understand what Gil is saying but it’s wrong. Shaq would get 35-40 on offense, and the mere fact that he was in the game didn’t allow players to even think about taking layups. That’s dominance to me. Generating offense is just as good as taking away another team’s offense, but the only problem is we don’t have a way to count how many shots Shaq deterred.

[@zType2]

Jokic has played 3 NBA finals games and we got fools talking bout he was more dominant than Shaq and folks calling him the greatest big man ever. Recency bias is wild.

[@workinginthewell3498]

Maybe it has to do something with him having 3 30 points & 20 boards triple doubles in single playoffs. Wilt has one, Kareem has one, Shaq has none. Maybe it has something to do with 10 triple doubles in this season playoffs. It's a record Wilt kept for like 70 years with his 6 triple doubles. How many does Shaq have? Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that Joker has yet to play with an All Star player.

[@yahyaibnmartey7626]

its crazyyy

[@zType2]

@@workinginthewell3498 Jokic being a better passer doesnt make him the best big man... obviously he will have more triple doubles than other big men. "Joker has yet to play with an all star player" .... goofy comment. All star or not, Murray is lighting it up in the playoffs.

[@workinginthewell3498]

@@zType2 sure it's goofy. Murray is a Kobe level player. Triple double means that Jokic also scores (Like 30+, 40+), and rebounds, he doesn't just assist.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

​@@zType2 mao "shaq cant be stopped" most false argument ever. The guy faced rik smits and tod mccolough no shit. When he faced duncan and robinson in 2002 he had 44% fg. can't be stopped my ass

[@CountryTortoise]

In McCants defense (thought I'd never agree with this man) dominant does feel more like a physical thing and not just stats

[@theopoliusivory9463]

Great topics

[@FreshmanFrenzy]

Lmao Shaq missed 20 free throws and still had 40 one game in the finals… not to mention he can get you 5+ blocks too and literal fear.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

mao "shaq cant be stopped" most false argument ever. The guy faced rik smits and tod mccolough no shit. When he faced duncan and robinson in 2002 he had 44% fg. can't be stopped my ass

[@cyberbron2077]

​@@user-gc1wj8tt2p44 percent field goal percentage isn't being stopped 😂. That just means they slowed him down.

[@NiggaPlease.]

@@cyberbron2077Dude is an idiot. Don’t mind him.💀

[@EDWARDTHEEAUTHOR]

Shaq putting entire teams in foul trouble, constantly putting immense pressure on your defense and drawing triple teams which created tons of hockey assists.

[@tingol10]

If Jokic shot 50% from the line you would see 20 fouls on him too.

[@michaelmula6841]

​@tingol10 fouling was a last resort cause they can't stop him. They would rather foul him then play ball.

[@michaelmula6841]

​@@tingol10 joker finally....about to get a ring after going home every year.

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

​@@michaelmula6841 lmao "shaq cant be stopped" most false argument ever. The guy faced rik smits and tod mccolough no shit. When he faced duncan and robinson in 2002 he had 44% fg. can't be stopped my ass

[@michaelmula6841]

@J Shaq use to Rag doll David Robinson who was a great center in his own right. It's basketball some matchups give you more problems than others

[@alexdavis1221]

I hate that people never bring up defense in these debates. Shaq was blocking shots and he lay you out to let you know not to come back into the paint

[@penkima4923]

That's not a fully valid point, because the rules wouldn't allow that today.

[@R3ach4DaStarz]

Yeooo Brandon Jennings face when Rashad talking kills me lmao i know he be thinking what everybody thinking

[@GunPlayGamingTv]

McCants is probably talking about physical dominance and everyone else is talking about overwll stats and game control

[@nigylrod]

exactly

[@LuG8911]

Yeah but why would we even be concerned wirh physical dominance when this ain't football lol we should be talking about overall output and contribution to the team.

[@pawprintz9461]

@@LuG8911 then we have to acknowledge that Joker’s defense is terrible and he’s not fouling out the whole team and the attention was completely on Shaq and that made the mediocre players nice.

[@LuG8911]

@@pawprintz9461 oh believe me im a laker fan i agree that shaq was overall a bigger force and more dominant, not to mention demoralizing for the opposing team I just think they're all talking about offensive output and McCants is trying to be a contrarian. He trynna see if he can fill Shannon sharpes role soon

[@pawprintz9461]

@@LuG8911 there not including Joker’s lack of defense which counters there argument because against the elite big men like AD when he’s focused and Giannis he gets chewed up on the defensive end which deletes what he does on the offense end. Mccants just doesn’t have the ability to articulate his thoughts or just doesn’t know. But that’s the facts‼️

[@gangstagummybear3432]

They are diminishing Shaq's impact, his impact wasnt "singular" it wasnt "all about him" he had alot of residual impact that made it easy for attention to be so on him, that it freed up his team mates to be freed up and have alot more single coverage on them, alot more iso thanks to shaq, part of the entire ugly early 2000s rule changes was to stop Shaq, the other part was to stop AI with the zone.

[@rg2357]

Exactly it’s like saying curry ain’t dominant because all he do is shoot 3s but it’s him having the ability to be able to make em from 30 fr out that has the defense attention all on him, there’s just different ways to dominate other than physicality imo

[@Teebagzzz]

​@@rg2357curry is the greatest shooter of all time, but he's not very dominant lol. He has one finals MVP, and 4 rings.

[@Gemini050788]

His presence alone clogged the lane and stopped anyone that wasn’t an elite driver from even thinking about coming in. People always leave out the other side of the ball.

[@aironenise]

Right. Bro shaq made them make zone defense great (legal) again😂

[@gangstagummybear3432]

@@Gemini050788 yessir

[@DAV3RAG3]

The media hyped him for the last two years and now they will chill.

[@zheng67]

Shouts to Martin Paynes dog sitting there chillin💪🏾

[@novelaego2404]

lol 😂

[@freshsolutions6549]

Game 2 '01 Shaq had 28pts 25rebs 9ast 8blks....game 1 Shaq had 44pts (Gil said Shaq never had 40 in the finals)

[@THEMANCURTIS]

Exactly. They need to do research instead of just talking

[@sportsfantastic361]

Now that's dominant jokic wish he could give you 8 blocks

[@SomkeHouseENT]

Damnear a quadruple double...they prisoner of the moment

[@SomkeHouseENT]

McCants just a bad point person somebody really focused could've shredded this segment wish K-mart was there

[@richardmatthews2807]

Bro he average one point (rounding to the nearest 10th) from 40 38.7 ppg come onnnnnnn

[@71jlanier]

People really out here forgetting Shaq actually had handle and could pass the ball but Phil didnt ask him to do that. Shaq was also a factor defensively, Joker is insanely good but he is not guarding Shaq and putting up numbers.

[@redmanjohnson4616]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@Gahr20]

Exactly, dude would start fast breaks like a guard .

[@limmiesnoddy1977]

& Shaq isn't coming out past the foul line to check Joker

[@sportsfantastic361]

​@@limmiesnoddy1977 yeah he would Shaq loved the challenge u sleeping in prime Shaq fool

[@Virtualcritic111]

No one forgot

[@spidakid87]

Shaq also shared the court with Kobe. He needed his slice of the pie too

[@ninocrown3247]

Shaq scored 30 plus without 3s, missing almost half his free throws in a much slower offensive era.

[@oillizm]

Gil kills me with his hypocrisy. Depending on the situation, how you score matters or doesn't. It's tough to argue with folks like that.

[@jonw.415]

He has to be The smarter in the room

[@thakiid8568]

He's definitely a weirdo

[@turneryoung905]

He picks the side he wants to piss people off with. Doesn’t help to have Mikko barking like a lap dog to every word he says.

[@tellsteveharveyidontwanthe2283]

it does depend you need a 3s to win the game jokic can hit it shaq cant they put 3 big in the paint you still throwing it to shaq or the guy who can get a bucket on all 3 levels who also is shooting 30% better on freethrows

[@oillizm]

@@tellsteveharveyidontwanthe2283 joker fouls out before the half. Joker has more skill, Shaq was more dominant. Joker needs others to show his skill, Shaq needs a ball and a rim.

[@khyree_the_king3673]

The crazy apart about all this is that wasn’t even shaqs best finals it was the first one against the pacers he averaged 38 and 16 with 3 blks and on %61

[@tonytooshort]

So let me get this straight Gil, he's more dominant than Shaq, but you think Joker's the worst MVP ever. So what do you think about Shaq?

[@deandreduckett4881]

McCants was right with his take, when you think dominance you think about the physical aspect of how you’re producing.

[@rafa021]

Wow. Shaq dominated. 2001 finals shaq averaged 33 pts 16 rebs 5 assist and gave you 3 blocks. He did it on both sides of the ball and had the other bigs in foul trouble. And they did implemented the zone because of Shaq. The idea to bring the zone in happened because Shaq was dominating. Also, Shaq was a good passer too. If you dont tgink so you're too you to have watches him play live or just a prisoner of the moment. Also Shaq got fouled a lot of times and they didnt call it.

[@elmayimbe_the_amateur_mechanic]

McCants got a Miami Heat hat on. He gonna be a Joker hater already.

[@errwhaaaaaa]

McCants is a joke he can't talk basketball after he said pop is a bad couch

[@khalilcook3018]

Facts facts facts 💯

[@VerbalGOAT]

​@Russell Schubring well he's a good coach, but a bad couch

[@errwhaaaaaa]

@@VerbalGOAT lmfao

[@RevolutionWillnotBTalevi-sw5vh]

Shaq had awesome Finals and Playoffs numbers. Look at NJ Finals. Also, Shaq's DOMINANCE has other effects. Like, fouls, intimidation, changing coaching strategies, etc. Along with CROWD and MOMENTUM effects that wasn't mentioned

[@davidcarlos4350]

This is simple, you either want Shaq on your team or want Joker. Im taking Shaq all day everyday. You fouling out or Shaq getting 50. You gonna be forced to play my brand of basketball. Joker is ill, but Shaq Was unguardable

[@itskinch7397]

Let's not act like Shaq ain't have teams making sure they had 4 or 5 centers just for the fact of having fouls to give up. Jokic makes the team better overall with his ability, but in terms of just dominance, Shaq clearly is more dominant. You can't stop em, he was stronger than everyone, pushing folks out the way, hell he barely got foul calls half the time cuz he was just bigger and stronger than everyone else.

[@benrobinson1841]

I just don’t understand this argument. Joker affects way more aspects of the game, makes everyone around him better (he’s like the Peyton Manning of hoops), and he’s the most complete offensive player in the NBA. Shaq changed the game and Jokić is changing it again, but this time it’s because no one ever thought a big man could play with this much finesse, skill, and humility. I don’t see that Denver team being nearly as good with Shaq.

[@corvoattano7430]

that’s not what dominance is🤣

[@ellsworthconstructionllc]

​@benrobinson1841 joker didn't make nobody better murray a scorer without him lol so is Carter and other. This year denver had season vets and a healthy team

[@jayblack2075]

@@ellsworthconstructionllc KCP and AG

[@jayblack2075]

And joker isn’t at dominant cuz joker is the weak link on defense

[@kevlar1386]

Shawty adlibbing in the back while they debate it too much

[@feezy3250]

I'm kind of with mccants.. assists don't reflect dominance because it's dependent on someone else.. being dominant is no body stopping 1 person from scoring

[@KingLeo7]

Shaq had 19 games with 40 plus points shootings over 70% FG that mf was different

[@BoodaSDavis]

I understand what Rashad is saying, I don’t think he explained it right. Shaq was more dominant to me because he demoralized his opponents. Joker can put up those 40 points triple doubles but I don’t think his opponents lose hope or scared of him. So I agree Shaq is more dominant.

[@nigylrod]

yeah he wasn't able to construct a good statement about it, and the other guys were kind off close minded when he talked

[@DariusClarkWallace]

That's not true. JJJ and Paul George both talked about how demoralizing Joker's rainbow shots were

[@user-gc1wj8tt2p]

mao "shaq cant be stopped" most false argument ever. The guy faced rik smits and tod mccolough no shit. When he faced duncan and robinson in 2002 he had 44% fg. can't be stopped my ass

[@BoodaSDavis]

@@user-gc1wj8tt2p He still averaged 25pts 14rebs & 4 assist that series. After already 3 peating. Name me anyone that has won 4 chips in a row since Boston in 1966? And still Greg Pop had to hack a Shaq the entire series to win. Are you serious dude?

[@cyberbron2077]

​@@user-gc1wj8tt2p44 percent shooting isn't being locked down buddy.

[@KimWe-a-xler]

Shaq warped the court inward with his singular gravity like Curry is doing it outward. Teams were literally drafting big, burly guys just to have some depth for guarding him.

[@DynamicUnreal]

Jokic is doing the same thing. When he's in the post the entire team collapses around him. He punishes them with the passes, then next time they don't collapse so he punishes them in the post. I've never seen a player more dominant than Jokic at this moment, and I've been a Lakers fan my entire life.

[@mikaanuba659]

Shaq & Jokic are literally both dominant players, but just in totally different styles. Still dominance

[@kidd32888]

Not guard; foul him

[@michaelroelant7134]

Nobody could guard shaq lol

[@2kdrako]

Saying Jokic more dominate then shaq is crazy….

[@shawnwilliam1802]

Shaq dominated the Defensive player of the Year Mutumbo, fouled out multiple players, open lanes for Kobe, double teams allowed Fish & Horry to take wide open shots plus was a better defender

[@penkima4923]

Deke won his last DPotY-award three seasons before he met Shaq in the finals. Ofc, Deke still being a great defender. On the defenders fouling players, Shaq can be somewhat slowed down using the hack-a-Shaq. While, the same tactic cannot be used versus Jokic. The same thing applies to open lanes and double-teams, somewhat. Shaq isn't the passer as Jokic, so Shaq can more safely be double-teamed. Shaq was around equally good defender as Jokic is. Shaq blocked more shots than Jokic, that is perhaps more dominant.

[@KDWOW7]

Shaq, no question. Understand jokers dominance but they aren’t taking into consideration Shaq on the DEFENSIVE END!!!! Beast man , a fking beast!

[@aironenise]

Right. And jokic is a total 📫 on defense. He averages 0.3 blocks per game as a center.

[@lancetupaea9742]

This shit pissed me off. Dude with the laptop needs to do better. Girl needs to shut up.

[@jarredsmith1509]

@@aironenise 3 blocks 3 steals lol

[@aironenise]

@@jarredsmith1509 that’s not true. He avg 0.7 blocks this season. 1.2 steals

[@jarredsmith1509]

@@aironenise He had 3 steals and 3 blocks last night. All this talk about targeting Jokic, yet teams are looking to target Murray instead of Jokic

[@TheOfficialMassakre]

Shaq in the 2000 Finals averaged 38 points, 17 rebounds and 3 blocks per game. Nuff said.

[@khamikhoward5962]

It’s not fair of Gil to mention Jokic’s assist but not Shaq’s rebounds. Those go towards PRF. So shaq isn’t just going 20/20 off just passes to the post. He’s gotten 40 before, let’s not disrespect just how dominant big diesel was

[@hiawathasbrother]

Jokic also rebounds

[@khamikhoward5962]

@@hiawathasbrother you said that like that’s not obvious. I was talking about what was mentioned in the video n what wasn’t mentioned. Aint no real basketball fan gonna think if Shaq was playing today he wouldn’t out rebound jokic

[@StevenTheGreat_]

@@khamikhoward5962no need to mention shaqs rebounds if the numbers aren’t better than jokic lol

[@khamikhoward5962]

@@StevenTheGreat_ shaq’s stats at this point in jokic’s career are still better. At almost 24pts a game and 10.5 rebounds. Compared to jokic’s 20pts a game and 10.3 rebs. The only thing jokic’s is better than shaq at is shooting the ball. Shaq is still considered the most dominant player to touch the NBA 😭

[@antionebrown9545]

I have a question. Why when we talk about Jokic, no one mentions defense? With every other big we talk about rim protections, and not being a target on Defense. Moving the goalpost

[@anthonynorman7545]

In what series this year has Jokic been a negative on defense?

[@antionebrown9545]

@@anthonynorman7545 ayton mid, ad didnt even play good but avg 20+, 10 rebs. Bam is currently averaging 20+, 10+.

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@antionebrown9545 didn't AD have poor efficiency and scored most of his points against other Nuggets? Bam is playing inefficient as hell and is shooting in the 20s when guarded by Jokic. The box score doesn't tell the full story.

[@PeytonWatsonStan]

Heat shot 3-19 when guarded by Jokic last game I believe. You don’t have to get number stats to play good defense

[@THEMANCURTIS]

Joker length helps on defense

[@shayn4697]

Alot of people fouled out guarding Shaq. How did that not impact the game?

[@joeymanny]

30 ppg of shaq in 90s and 2000 is equivalent of 42-45 today era , shaq is ref a diferent way because he is so dominant

[@sherman8246]

How to be “dominant” 1.Dunk 2. Miss Free Throws 😂

[@deeswagg21]

Win finals mvps…change the rule…… play both ends …..can’t be stopped by double teams …yea dominant

[@AndrewMolinaro-cr4mk]

​@@deeswagg21Well he got swept 5 times in the Playoffs and beat in 5 games twice. All those series in his prime. So he was stopped enough obviously in those series.

[@deeswagg21]

@@AndrewMolinaro-cr4mk first time was a rookie then next year was hakeem in his prime then jordan in his prime then malone in his prime then david robinson in his prime lol all those times was great.... look at what shaq averaged lol its a reason he the most dominant center ever cut it out

[@AndrewMolinaro-cr4mk]

@@deeswagg21 It wasn't his rookie year the 1st time. It was his 2nd year. Hakeem was his 3rd year and MJ his 4th. And David Robinson wasn't in his prime in 1999. But I see what u are saying. And I think he was dominant as well. But it's funny to me that when people debate MJ and LeBron they bring up MJ getting swept by the Celtics early in his career and LeBron haters always talk about him getting swept by Spurs and Warriors. But Shaq was swept 5 times but that seems to be forgotten.

[@AndrewMolinaro-cr4mk]

@@deeswagg21 He shot under 50% from the field in atleast 2 of those series too. Which is terrible for a big man. Played absolutely horrible vs Spurs in '99. 48% from field. 47% from line. Duncan went bonkers that series too. TD was the most dominant player and best player on the floor that series hands down. Its just crazy to me that a team with Shaq and Penny can get swept 3 years in a row. And Kobe and Shaq get swept 2 out of 3 years and lose in 5 the other season. Kobe wasn't in his prime yet but it's still hard to believe. But people say the talent level wasn't great back then. Lmao.

[@uncommonsense23]

You would never know McCants played in the NBA based on his takes 😂

[@T.jones214]

I literally be scratching my head when he talking

[@ropeezyfosheezy]

Right

[@vandshome]

Don’t remember him.

[@user-wu2mg4dc2d]

Rashad is right, Shaq is more dominant because he harder to stop individually. The simple fact the Jokic relies on others diminishes the dominance. He can't make anyone better this is the NBA he's giving talented ppl the ball. Dominance creates just as many points through double teams just because shaq didnt get the assist doesn't mean he isn't responsible for the points that play.

[@archielouie]

What they not pointing out is that Shaw dominance would disrupt the other team offense. If your big man and others are in foul trouble the stats are different. You get Shaw to the Finals, he’s backing you down

[@Wodz30]

Brian Shaw WTF! #lakers

[@thetarheel2010j]

Shaq averaged 38 and 16 in his finals vs Indiana… Shaq’s pure dominance was unmatched… Dudes got easy buckets because the defense was sooooo concerned about Shaq… All dudes had to do was make open 3’s… Shaq would have an entire team frontline in foul trouble and his team would be in the bonus…

[@tyronemaxwell8091]

Jokic is averaging a triple double. Same points, a few less rebounds and like 10 more assists lol

[@bouggwen7891]

​@@tyronemaxwell8091 bro the literally changed rules for Shaq, imagine Shaq in this day and age

[@tyronemaxwell8091]

@@bouggwen7891 name 1 decent post player in today’s nba that can’t shoot

[@edosouthside]

And yet joker is more dominant stats don’t lie he effects more parts of the game 😂he’s averaging a triple double and I love ShaQ but this is a easy ass question Bro

[@toxicmelody6228]

​@@tyronemaxwell8091 Anthony Davis

[@Neichus]

I think assists should NOT be in the conversation when it's about dominance because others need to make that shot for the assist to count. Especially when comparing eras. When dominance is the topic, you need to talk about "stopping power". Can you stop the guy from getting buckets? Can he score at will? It does not matter HOW ( layups, jump shots, or dunks). If you cannot stop the guy and he's scoring at will therefore he is dominant.

[@ViralExposure]

Yup that’s a Jokic he can score from anywhere at will. Even from 3

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

Yeah its a no brainer not to count assist. Rashad is right in this argument. Plus if you credit Shaq for points where people just blaytantly cheat and jump on his back to stop him from dunking,he would avg 40😅

[@xcwilliams7980]

If you can't stop me from getting guys open shots, than that's dominating

[@shootemupdee]

Do not get rid of them gil. Them arguing makes it better 😂

[@nikojohnson6508]

Shaq being doubled creates points for his team tho. If he draws a defender and kicks it out and a rotation pass is made to a bucket he doesn’t get credited for an assist but HE created those points because of his dominance inside. Joker and Shaq dominate in different ways but Shaq definitely created points for his team

[@IsaiasMGPalafox]

This convo gave me a headache. 🤦‍♂️😭

[@slimejim2247]

She clearly didn't watch shaq if she think he was stop by a foul 😂 shaq literally said himself if he would have been more serious he would have had 50 every game😂

[@Fatfit2]

I noticed she leans towards putting brothers down. She get a lil too to excited to

[@jimmybambino9549]

Ty she said all u had to do. Bruhhhhh u must been watching Suns or Cel Shaq, not lakers Shaq. To other guy point don’t think she putting brother down prob has b4, but for this point she didn’t study for test read one page n gave bad answers n spoke out her ass we all been there. N I noticed in all sports media they force woman to speak on sports when usually they naive most of time, n tend to follow the wave/hype more than anybody else. Tho most analysts do that in general in today sports media or forms of media. Not end of world or truly big deal but annoying n lowkey sad.

[@chad6326]

She is 🗑

[@LILTTE321]

She’s hella annoying…

[@deeswagg21]

Lol I’m not one of those dudes that hate on women co host but this lady does talk a lot and try to get her weak points across shit lowkey annoying l

[@BroCoolFire]

These mfs crazy saying Jokic is more dominant then Shaq

[@ceemoneydaily]

Episode??

[@boogiedagiant5410]

McCants is stuck…Joker plays point guard..shoots threes…drop dimes…gets boards and gets buckets!! Shaq is more “physically” dominant with dunks

[@fledgendbeats4581]

Played defense too and got 3 finals MVPs straight

[@michaelmula6841]

If you think shaq dunked every ball you not intelligent at all.

[@kennyray1573]

The Sista Be Killin Him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@vinceherr6604]

"You have to foul Shaq because he's that dominant" that's the simple definition right there. Thanks McCants

[@justjames8291]

Shaq had 44 , 20 and 5 on 6/6/2001 🤦🏾‍♂️😂🤣🤣

[@hydero555]

I swear none of them care about Miko LMAOOOO they always be ignoring her 😂

[@carlgarner8735]

lmao i was thinking that too she just be talking to her self she does talk a lot and over talk people tho

[@YourTakes]

Ong brah she a know it all

[@camseemore]

If Shaq was stopped why did he end up winning 3 straight titles and 3 finals mvp. His potential was so high that even in a lazy state he was the most dominant we have seen.

[@user-ik5ku1ow3f]

Agreed Dude Dominance: SCORE under post BODY MOVEMENT, PWR DUNK, FEAR, POWER, ARM BLOCK, ARM SWING, RING DAMAGE, BACK BOARD DAMGE etc.... DOMINANCE as you score "SHAQ"

[@shelbyfranklin5226]

Shaq dominated in an era with legit shot blocking centers not guys who are 6’9 disguised as centers

[@4evahodlingdoge226]

Rodman who's 6'6 225lbs was defending him hahah. Ben Wallace was 6'7 240lbs and defending him and was one of the stronger guys in the league. Shaq's era wasn;t filled with huge athletic dudes, it was a bunch of unathletic bigs.

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

@@4evahodlingdoge226 he still ate both of them. That point is null and void.

[@kingkeith2967]

This conversation is crazy strictly because these guys should know better. Dominance is is determined by what’s needed by the team around you. Wilt is your example: early Wilt (Shaq) was a powerful dominant player numbers and stats but when he had better and more pieces around him he was still dominant (jokic) in the game. So I would say whatever way it takes for your team to win is most dominant for that situation.

[@MrColeLive]

Put shaq in this league full of shooters and his points go up as well as his assist…..not saying he’d average a triple double but the spacing Shaq would create for shooters would be ridiculous

[@ejoviu4911]

I have Brandon Jennings reaction listening to Maccants speak.

[@Kooljetton91]

I don’t always agree with McCants but he’s right. Shaq had so much dominance and impact on the court that opposing teams had to foul him just to keep him from scoring and they’ll get punished for it. Jokić is doing his thing no doubt and is the best big man in the game today but he would get demolished if he had to face Shaq in his prime.

[@redeyexxx1841]

Well under current rules Shaq ain't beating Jokic. Most of Shaq moves would be fouls today. Secondly, Shaq sucks at free throws so he couldn't even take advantage of fouls.

[@marvelouslive]

They fouled him because he was a poor free throw shooter... btw this notion that shaq was never ever slowed down is a lie..

[@VVVY777]

Clown thinks being a one-dimensional bulldozer is more dominant than being the entire engine of the offense- scoring AND playmaking. What a basic brain this dude has. The type of clown that declares Popovich isn't a good coach because the team was in rebuild mode. What a simpleton.

[@benrobinson1841]

The psychicality argument never gets any better. Jokić routinely demolishes the most physical players in the game without ever touching them. There’s no way Shaq could keep up. Joker is as shifty as any player in the game; his footwork is unorthodox and confuses the hell out of other elite players, and he’s so much better on offense than Shaq that it’s not really worth a comparison.

[@emmawatzon]

@@benrobinson1841speak facts to em bro. And if they knew bball shaq even said Europeans are the hardest guard for him cause they make his big ass step out

[@elisuarez8254]

Ahh dang Mc Cants is back all ready having a bad day!!!

[@kifley19]

Shaq getting double teamed doesnt show in the stat sheet. How many role players got wide open 3's because of Shaq. Kobe didn't get double teamed because Shaq was. Stats don't tell the whole story. Plus, Shaq won 4 nba rings. Joker had 1 great run. Let's see if he can win some more first before we say he was more dominant than Shaq. Teams are averaging more points in Joker's era vs Shaq era as well so we all should assume that Joker should have more points and assists.

[@NumberStatsFax]

Shaq in 19 seasons: - 23.7 PPG | 10.9 RPG | 2.3 BPG - 4× NBA champion (2000-2002, 2006) - 3× NBA Finals MVP (2000-2002) - NBA Most Valuable Player (2000) - 15× NBA All-Star (1993-1998, 2000-2007, 2009) - 3× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000, 2004, 2009) - 8× All-NBA First Team (1998, 2000-2006) - 2× All-NBA Second Team (1995, 1999) - 4× All-NBA Third Team (1994, 1996, 1997, 2009) - 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2000, 2001, 2003) - NBA Rookie of the Year (1993) - NBA All-Rookie First Team (1993) - 2× NBA scoring champion (1995, 2000) - 2× IBM Award (2000, 2001) - NBA anniversary team (50th, 75th) - No. 34 retired by Los Angeles Lakers - No. 32 retired by Miami Shaq really averaged 38 PPG in the NBA Finals in the year 2000 LMAO Shaq’s insane ‘00-‘02 finals stats 😭🔥 35.9 ppg 15.2 rpg 2.9 bpg 76% in the restricted area +13.1% relative efg% +8.7% relative ts% 2000 Shaquille O’Neal 38PPG 16.7 rpg 2.3 apg 2.7 BPG. 61% FG 2001 Shaquille O’Neal 33 ppg 15.8 rpg 4.8 apg 3.4 bpg 57.3 FG% 2002 Shaquille O’Neal 36 ppg 12.3 Rpg 3.8 apg For more stats like this,highlights,lowlights, updates and debates follow my page NUMBERSSTATFAX ON IG,TIKTOK🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 ‬

[@SirCharlesLikesChurros]

Bro just said Shaq had 70-80 FG% 😂

[@tregordon21]

😂 Fr like when he did that shit

[@islander5858]

@@tregordon21 shaq prolly did that on nba live 2003 😂

[@stringer2295]

Yo this dude just be talking lol

[@islander5858]

This is tough for me to admit but I'm leaning toward jokic being a better center than the great Shaquille O'Neal. If the jokic wins a chip this year. And is able to get 2 more before he retires and keeps putting up these monster numbers you just gotta put him up there with kareem, wilt, Hakeem and most likely above Shaquille O'Neal. Remember once they started the hack a shaq, shaq was basically out the game, you try that shit with jokic and he's like 85% from the free throw line, almost automatic. He's a historically great player

[@sizzahandz1]

he didn't mean it literally stupid lol

[@AcencialAMV]

What you learn in 4th grade debate class is that when you can't agree on something you look at defining the terms. If they decided what 'dominant' means they could've finished this conversation in 3 minutes

[@chuck569469]

What school u goto bro? Didn't know they had a debate class that early in someone's schooling career. Maybe my schools were just trash? Lol

[@tsunamirob63]

Shaq averaged 38 & 16 his first finals mvp💀💀& shot 38% from the ft THE DISRESPECT TOWARDS SHAQ IS CRAZY